|
Removed: Ohana
Added: Akilon Flats
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/d/db/AkilonFlats.jpg/400px-AkilonFlats.jpg)
-Neutral Supply depot at the ramp
-Creep color has been tweaked a little
Difference between GSL and KeSPA version:
KeSPA version does not have a neutral supply depot at the ramp at the natural ramp for FFE/ramp wall-off etc. There is only one at the bottom of the ramp. Also, it seems like the watch tower doesn't self-destruct.
Source: KR server maps.
Changed:
Caldeum 3
-Neutral Assimilator HP has been changed from 250/250 to 450/450
-The rocks behind the natural has armor of 1, instead of 0
-The map has a new name, and all previous records on this map will be erased.
Neo Arkanoid
-Changed the structure around the Main -> Expansion area so its easier for Protoss users to protect their Colossus from Vikings
Neo Planet S
-Changed the gas locations so that Zerg players can check the number of gases being mined with the overlord.
|
|
|
|
|
Do we have images of it? I'm a very visual person =3
Glad they removed Ohana though.
|
Katowice25012 Posts
Thanks!
I had to google Akilon Flats to see what it looked like and I can only imagine a million other people will do that too so I edited in a picture to your OP.
|
Very happy Ohana is gone, it has run its course.
|
On January 24 2013 13:35 Dodgin wrote:
Very happy Ohana is gone, it has run its course.
but but but, family will never run its course.
Good changes, I like them. The new one looks huge series of choke points, but at least there are a lot of them.
|
Yus!
I was so tired of Ohana. It was cool at first, but got terribly boring real fast. Akilon Flats is looking good so far.
|
I guess they looked at the win rates? Does this change a LOT for the SPL in the current round? Like if a player practices Ohana a lot?
|
On January 24 2013 13:37 Jaaaaasper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 13:35 Dodgin wrote:
Very happy Ohana is gone, it has run its course. but but but, family will never run its course. Good changes, I like them.
Some family tends to just stick around no matter how much you wish you could get rid of them. In this case, we can!
|
Sounds like some great changes.
|
|
|
they basically revert the stat of neutral building & rock on Caldeum to round 1's, almost 
glad that Ohana is removed but I expect a brand new map though, especially a 3-player one
|
United States97276 Posts
The Caldeum changes were needed. The 0 armor rocks and easy to kill assimilator was just dumb. Glad to see Ohana gone. I guess the Planet S change will have both geysers on the same side?
|
Wonder if the Caldeum changes will make it Protoss favored map again. I hope not, I wanna see some Terrans being sent out for it.
|
Awe, too bad they removed Ohana. I liked the map a lot. Not a huge fan of the Neo Arkanoid map at all.
|
I feel like this is a pretty solid map, it has produced some fun games on the HotS ladder. As for Ohana... well it was a pretty good map but I sure as hell won't miss it.
I love Kespa's approach of changing and editing maps so often, there's no reason why we should the same maps for sooo long.
|
On January 24 2013 13:33 heyoka wrote:
Thanks!
I had to google Akilon Flats to see what it looked like and I can only imagine a million other people will do that too so I edited in a picture to your OP.
you don't play HotS beta, do you?
lol
|
It's really great how fast they make their map changes.
|
Katowice25012 Posts
On January 24 2013 13:45 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 13:33 heyoka wrote:
Thanks!
I had to google Akilon Flats to see what it looked like and I can only imagine a million other people will do that too so I edited in a picture to your OP. you don't play HotS beta, do you? lol
You think I've ever looked at a map name?
lmao.
|
Brilliant. Good move KESPA
|
make it like the GSL version and have the two center towers destruct after 7 minutes.
otherwise it just makes for really dumb capture the flag games lol
|
This is no longer a league I can recommend to my family.
|
Parting goes to a Proleague team, Ohana removed. Coincidence?
|
United States97276 Posts
On January 24 2013 13:54 Wolf wrote:
This is no longer a league I can recommend to my family.
You could always recommend the ladder
|
On January 24 2013 13:54 Wolf wrote:
This is no longer a league I can recommend to my family.
I thought Ohana meant tyrannosaur in Japan?
|
Never really liked Akilon from my experiences in the beta, but I think that it is definitely worth trading for Ohana. That map had it's time.
|
|
|
Ohana is a good map but, honestly, it's nice to see things freshened up a bit. You get tired of seeing games on the same 2 maps for a full year.
|
On January 24 2013 14:12 PhOeniX[MinD] wrote:
why they removed ohana?
In round one the stats for players sent out on Ohana were:
28 Protoss, 10 Terran, 6 Zerg
In round two the stats for players send out on Ohana were:
19 Protoss, 6 Terran, 9 Zerg
For a grand total of 47 Protoss, 16 Terran, 15 Zerg
I think you can see why they might have removed it.
|
Kespa is like:"Blizzard, your game's vision clarity sucks. So we change the creep color so that our audience can actually see units on creep on TV."
Dustin Browder is like:"oh~no~ Our game's graphics has esport-level clarity. I actually did a lecture on that on GDC."
|
Nice changes!
|
Bisutopia19225 Posts
That map looks sick. Great change up!
|
On January 24 2013 13:55 forgehammer wrote:
Parting goes to a Proleague team, Ohana removed. Coincidence?
No because Parting won't play in round 3. Only round 4
|
Ohana is the best map ever created,why did they remove it? Was it imbalanced,like toss winning 70% or something?
|
United States97276 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:51 DifuntO wrote:
Ohana is the best map ever created,why did they remove it? Was it imbalanced,like toss winning 70% or something?
Race Stats (non-mirrors):
TvZ: 82-67 (55%) [ Games ]
ZvP: 67-86 (43.8%) [ Games ]
PvT: 83-67 (55.3%) [ Games ]
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/548_ESV_Ohana_LE
Matchup stats for Ohana LE
That mixes with foreign info too and it seems like a lot of the zerg wins were vs foreign toss
|
Ugh, I've hated the design of Akilon Flats ever since it's debut with HotS. Weird 3rd/4th base design.
|
United States33326 Posts
|
On January 24 2013 14:47 Toads wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 13:55 forgehammer wrote:
Parting goes to a Proleague team, Ohana removed. Coincidence? No because Parting won't play in round 3. Only round 4
But he could teach the soul to Rain.
|
On January 24 2013 14:58 Waxangel wrote:
brilliant signature SNM
Damn, that was a bit sad to read.
|
On January 24 2013 14:37 larse wrote:
Kespa is like:"Blizzard, your game's vision clarity sucks. So we change the creep color so that our audience can actually see units on creep on TV."
Dustin Browder is like:"oh~no~ Our game's graphics has esport-level clarity. I actually did a lecture on that on GDC."
Creep colour change is infact a part of HOTS.
|
Is there a statement to why Ohana has been removed? I want it removed. To find the reasoning behind the removal would be cool.
|
lol they must have realized how stupidly imba caldeum was for pvz early game from that JYP ace game. now they're burning all evidence of their mistakes too
|
Akilon looks like such a protoss favoured map. Two easily defendable chokes with forcefield on nat and third. narrowish map. ugh
|
Ohana was the most boring map ever and a won won won fest PvZ, good riddance.
Always been a fan of Akilon as the one good beta map. Good changes.
|
On January 24 2013 15:34 XiaoXiaoo wrote:
lol they must have realized how stupidly imba caldeum was for pvz early game from that JYP ace game. now they're burning all evidence of their mistakes too
stork defended that backdoor ling harassment with some half-decent FFs. It's just JYP imo
Weak rock/building do give zerg some advantage early game but not to the degree of "stupidly imba" lol
|
Did Tal' Darim get removed already?
|
United States97276 Posts
On January 24 2013 15:42 FlamingKitty wrote:
Did Tal' Darim get removed already?
it was removed at the end of round 1
|
On January 24 2013 15:39 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 15:34 XiaoXiaoo wrote:
lol they must have realized how stupidly imba caldeum was for pvz early game from that JYP ace game. now they're burning all evidence of their mistakes too stork defended that backdoor ling harassment with some half-decent FFs. It's just JYP imo Weak rock/building do give zerg some advantage early game but not to the degree of "stupidly imba" lol
Every Zerg 10 pools on Caldeum, often with great success. It's extremely hard to defend 3 entrances into your natural as a Protoss. I'm glad they're fixing it.
|
On January 24 2013 15:42 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 15:42 FlamingKitty wrote:
Did Tal' Darim get removed already? it was removed at the end of round 1
Ah thanks, I wasn't sure. That's good though Ohana and TDA gone ^_^
|
On January 24 2013 14:58 Waxangel wrote:
brilliant signature SNM
What does TL-ABL mean?
|
United States97276 Posts
On January 24 2013 15:48 sighsigh wrote:What does TL-ABL mean?
Team Liquid - Automated Ban List
|
the xel'naga towers on akilon are going to be a serious problem--they are really op late game because you can see EVERYTHING
|
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Akilon Flats looked decent in yesterdays games
|
On January 24 2013 15:44 Firkraag8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 15:39 Arceus wrote:On January 24 2013 15:34 XiaoXiaoo wrote:
lol they must have realized how stupidly imba caldeum was for pvz early game from that JYP ace game. now they're burning all evidence of their mistakes too stork defended that backdoor ling harassment with some half-decent FFs. It's just JYP imo Weak rock/building do give zerg some advantage early game but not to the degree of "stupidly imba" lol Every Zerg 10 pools on Caldeum, often with great success. It's extremely hard to defend 3 entrances into your natural as a Protoss. I'm glad they're fixing it.
Didnt Life 10/11pool in 99% of his games during his dominance? This map worked for that style so why not? you want hatch first every game?
I mean, Im not saying Neo Caldeum didnt favor aggressive zerg a bit, but just "a bit". It's not terrible to see toss uses some more skills rather than safely expanding and building up deathball. And fyi ZvP is 4-3 on Neo Caldeum
|
A very underrated change would be changing the unit names all to english, even as a korean, it feels awkward when the commentators are going GUH SHIN GUH SHINN. When it would be so much more exciting if they were screaming COLOSSEUS COLOSSEUS,, and calling haebyungs marines again.
Seriously...a portion that made the commentary legenady was the korean pronouciation of the english unit names, Just can picture the epicness in them marking out on a burrowed baneling hit
|
nice changes to caldeum zerg early pools against protoss were stupid good.
|
On January 24 2013 14:32 Tachion wrote:In round one the stats for players sent out on Ohana were: 28 Protoss, 10 Terran, 6 Zerg In round two the stats for players send out on Ohana were: 19 Protoss, 6 Terran, 9 Zerg For a grand total of 47 Protoss, 16 Terran, 15 Zerg I think you can see why they might have removed it.
:O thank you for the information!
well they always work in new maps and balance, so its good to now they are working hard
|
On January 24 2013 13:45 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 13:33 heyoka wrote:
Thanks!
I had to google Akilon Flats to see what it looked like and I can only imagine a million other people will do that too so I edited in a picture to your OP. you don't play HotS beta, do you? lol
Its also in wol ladder.
|
Austria24417 Posts
arkanoid is still a coinflip map but these changes are looking very good. Definitely moving in the right direction.
|
On January 24 2013 16:07 LighT. wrote:
A very underrated change would be changing the unit names all to english, even as a korean, it feels awkward when the commentators are going GUH SHIN GUH SHINN. When it would be so much more exciting if they were screaming COLOSSEUS COLOSSEUS,, and calling haebyungs marines again.
Seriously...a portion that made the commentary legenady was the korean pronouciation of the english unit names, Just can picture the epicness in them marking out on a burrowed baneling hit
Definitely agree. I prefer them pronouncing things in English.
I do hear them say Viking in English sometimes (what is it called in Korean)?
|
On January 24 2013 13:35 Dodgin wrote:
Very happy Ohana is gone, it has run its course.
Yeah ... it's really been in the map pool for long...
|
Removed Ohana. Jaedong rejoice!!
|
kespa should make their own sc2 i bet it'll be balanced.
|
so arkanoid is still in the map pool....
|
On January 24 2013 18:04 DOUDOU wrote:
so arkanoid is still in the map pool....
Arkanoid is a fine map that still brings new games. Ohana, however...
|
United Kingdom14103 Posts
hint hint GSL.
Make map changes like this!
|
|
|
Akilon Flats makes for great games!
|
United States97276 Posts
On January 24 2013 18:06 Targe wrote:
hint hint GSL.
Make map changes like this!
They did? The edited Belshir Vestige and Whirlwind, added Akilon flats and Icarus, and removed a couple of maps
|
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On January 24 2013 18:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 18:06 Targe wrote:
hint hint GSL.
Make map changes like this! They did? The edited Belshir Vestige and Whirlwind, added Akilon flats and Icarus, and removed a couple of maps
Why doesn't that get a thread? 
Now I look silly...
|
On January 24 2013 14:06 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 13:54 Wolf wrote:
This is no longer a league I can recommend to my family. I thought Ohana meant tyrannosaur in Japan?
... Lol
ohana = hawaiian for family.
if japanese, it'll be more like (o)hana...aka flower. ``
|
Please upload this on EU, tyvm!
|
On January 24 2013 16:34 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 16:07 LighT. wrote:
A very underrated change would be changing the unit names all to english, even as a korean, it feels awkward when the commentators are going GUH SHIN GUH SHINN. When it would be so much more exciting if they were screaming COLOSSEUS COLOSSEUS,, and calling haebyungs marines again.
Seriously...a portion that made the commentary legenady was the korean pronouciation of the english unit names, Just can picture the epicness in them marking out on a burrowed baneling hit Definitely agree. I prefer them pronouncing things in English. I do hear them say Viking in English sometimes (what is it called in Korean)?
I'd agree with that First thing that comes to my mind is just:"PLAYGU!!! PLAYGUUUUUU!!!!"
Edit: Thought I should underline it with a link !
|
I do not like this map at all, surprised they are using it - the attack paths look so weird
|
United States97276 Posts
On January 24 2013 18:14 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 18:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 24 2013 18:06 Targe wrote:
hint hint GSL.
Make map changes like this! They did? The edited Belshir Vestige and Whirlwind, added Akilon flats and Icarus, and removed a couple of maps Why doesn't that get a thread? Now I look silly...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393653
There was 
|
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On January 24 2013 18:45 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 18:14 Targe wrote:On January 24 2013 18:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 24 2013 18:06 Targe wrote:
hint hint GSL.
Make map changes like this! They did? The edited Belshir Vestige and Whirlwind, added Akilon flats and Icarus, and removed a couple of maps Why doesn't that get a thread? Now I look silly... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393653There was
Bahaha I've even already read the thread!
I swear that SPL changes their maps far more than GSL though.
|
On January 24 2013 18:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 18:06 Targe wrote:
hint hint GSL.
Make map changes like this! They did? The edited Belshir Vestige and Whirlwind, added Akilon flats and Icarus, and removed a couple of maps
nothing like adding 4 new weird maps (read:awesome). Spectators win
|
On January 24 2013 18:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 18:06 Targe wrote:
hint hint GSL.
Make map changes like this! They did? The edited Belshir Vestige and Whirlwind, added Akilon flats and Icarus, and removed a couple of maps
Don't forget the KeSPA map Neo Planet S.
|
On January 24 2013 18:50 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 18:45 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 24 2013 18:14 Targe wrote:On January 24 2013 18:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 24 2013 18:06 Targe wrote:
hint hint GSL.
Make map changes like this! They did? The edited Belshir Vestige and Whirlwind, added Akilon flats and Icarus, and removed a couple of maps Why doesn't that get a thread? Now I look silly... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393653There was Bahaha I've even already read the thread! I swear that SPL changes their maps far more than GSL though.
Yeah, SPL has more flexibility, they make changes every round which is basically every 4 weeks. GSL made some good steps but they still have the omnipresent Daybreak and that map wasn't updated at all (like ovie spots) in last year, iirc.
|
I hope they coordinate with GOM on which version of Akilon Flats they're using. The GSL version of the map has the watchtower disappearing after 7 minutes.
Not that it matters much anyway since HotS is coming around, but yea, I would really hope tournaments start standardizing maps.
|
On January 24 2013 19:21 jnd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 18:50 Targe wrote:On January 24 2013 18:45 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 24 2013 18:14 Targe wrote:On January 24 2013 18:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 24 2013 18:06 Targe wrote:
hint hint GSL.
Make map changes like this! They did? The edited Belshir Vestige and Whirlwind, added Akilon flats and Icarus, and removed a couple of maps Why doesn't that get a thread? Now I look silly... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393653There was Bahaha I've even already read the thread! I swear that SPL changes their maps far more than GSL though. Yeah, SPL has more flexibility, they make changes every round which is basically every 4 weeks. GSL made some good steps but they still have the omnipresent Daybreak and that map wasn't updated at all (like ovie spots) in last year, iirc.
Well in GSL players can still pick maps which makes new maps rarely picked. Players likes to pick overplayed maps too often.
|
But... but... Ohana means family
|
|
|
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37014 Posts
Ohana...
Ohana means family...
Family means "nobody gets left behind"
+ Show Spoiler +Except for when it comes to Proleague apparently
|
Good to see Akilon in there... Its a good map on the ladder.
I hope they make the same watchtower changes that the GSL is doing though.
|
On January 24 2013 13:32 bittman wrote:
Do we have images of it? I'm a very visual person =3
Glad they removed Ohana though.
I dont know why your comment made me laugh XD
|
|
|
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On January 24 2013 14:06 Lunareste wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 13:54 Wolf wrote:
This is no longer a league I can recommend to my family. I thought Ohana meant tyrannosaur in Japan?
hana in Japanese is Flower.
|
I agree. Fast changes is good.
happy Ohana is gone too.
|
Funny how everyone was like "all those hots map suck, Blizzard is terrible at making maps" and now both GSL and PL are using Akilon Flats.
|
On January 24 2013 22:25 Awesomeness wrote:
Funny how everyone was like "all those hots map suck, Blizzard is terrible at making maps" and now both GSL and PL are using Akilon Flats.
Let's wait how it'll turn out.
|
TBH i would expect that Newkirk District would have been more favored as a tournement map. Look much better and its design mirrors Shakuras alot which afterall "only" was a tournement map for 2.5 years. But hey Akillion seems like a nice addition too.
|
Austria24417 Posts
On January 24 2013 22:36 Sumadin wrote:
TBH i would expect that Newkirk District would have been more favored as a tournement map. Look much better and its design mirrors Shakuras alot which afterall "only" was a tournement map for 2.5 years. But hey Akillion seems like a nice addition too.
The perfect reason not to include it 
Only MLG had it in the map pool for stupidly long.
|
On January 24 2013 22:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 22:36 Sumadin wrote:
TBH i would expect that Newkirk District would have been more favored as a tournement map. Look much better and its design mirrors Shakuras alot which afterall "only" was a tournement map for 2.5 years. But hey Akillion seems like a nice addition too. The perfect reason not to include it Only MLG had it in the map pool for stupidly long.
I guess that would be right
Still it is the better looking map, and compared to most maps used today its design is rather unique.
|
-The map has a new name, and all previous records on this map will be erased.
That's some serious MIB shit going on here.
Nice changes though.
|
On January 24 2013 13:33 heyoka wrote:
Thanks!
I had to google Akilon Flats to see what it looked like and I can only imagine a million other people will do that too so I edited in a picture to your OP.
Dreams of visitors on TL.. a million :D:D
|
-The map has a new name, and all previous records on this map will be erased.
That is a very funny line. We are going to erase all existence of the maps previous transgressions.
|
Akilon is actually a very good map, but its hard to play on. The fact that the watch towers are not in the direct path makes it much harder to simply go through the middle, you have to send units way in advance, which is something most players are not used to because of the current map pool.
I do hope that the GSL version will be used though, since it will be harder for the players to play on different versions of the same map...
|
Was filled with hope that all the Neo maps would have been removed and no, turns out not sigh.
|
I'm liking the addition of akilon flats. I really like it as a map and its good to see some hots maps in the pool.
|
awful map, but ohana wasn't any better. changing dogshit for horseshit I guess. their other maps seem adequate enough, so one bad apple really isn't the worst thing ever. I mean we saw Steppes in how many tournaments before it was expunged?
|
Steppes of war was my absolute worst map. I felt I was going to lose every time. It's like this map you are supposed to be good at. But feel a jinx every time playing it! :D
|
|
|
Good changes to the kespa maps, though I don't see the point of "buffing" overlord scouting on planet s...
I'm really not sure if gom/kespa are just smart and add a map that will probably be used in every hots tournament post release, or blizzard forces them to use a certain amount of their terrible maps, because tbh akilon is not a good map, especially when you look at community made maps.
|
On January 25 2013 02:39 Lorch wrote:
Good changes to the kespa maps, though I don't see the point of "buffing" overlord scouting on planet s...
I'm really not sure if gom/kespa are just smart and add a map that will probably be used in every hots tournament post release, or blizzard forces them to use a certain amount of their terrible maps, because tbh akilon is not a good map, especially when you look at community made maps.
2-player version of Backwater Gulch. What could possibly go wrong?
|
After testing: Akilon flats is different from the GSL version.
There's only one neutral supply depot that's on the bottom of the ramp, not at the natural of the ramp (only to block cannon rushes). The watch towers don't self-destruct.
|
On January 25 2013 10:04 supernovamaniac wrote:
After testing: Akilon flats is different from the GSL version.
There's only one neutral supply depot that's on the bottom of the ramp, not at the natural of the ramp (only to block cannon rushes). The watch towers don't self-destruct.
Aww, that's too bad.
One lesser talked about benefit of having the exact same maps between Proleague and GSL is that players will be able to practice the maps much easier.
It'll help on both sides.
|
|
|
On January 25 2013 10:20 Goldfish wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 10:04 supernovamaniac wrote:
After testing: Akilon flats is different from the GSL version.
There's only one neutral supply depot that's on the bottom of the ramp, not at the natural of the ramp (only to block cannon rushes). The watch towers don't self-destruct. Aww, that's too bad. One lesser talked about benefit of having the exact same maps between Proleague and GSL is that players will be able to practice the maps much easier. It'll help on both sides.
Yea that would require Gom and Kespa to talk together and cooperate.... Pff AHAHAHAHA!
Jokes asside even if they were to start talking to each other after a decade of bitter rivaly the mappool would probably have pretty low priority.
|
I am very glad to see Akilon Flats replacing Ohana. And all the other changes look great, especially the geyser changes for Planet S.
I'm sure everyone can appreciate how proactive they are in making adjustments to the maps and the map pool.
+respect.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
