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On January 23 2013 19:10 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 17:49 WalkTheEdge2494 wrote:On January 23 2013 10:00 blade55555 wrote:
Hm I wonder if that means MLG is having a wol and hots tournament? The next MLG is going to be hots and yet flash says he can't practice it with MLG being another reason. Interesting indeed. I think it's more because he can't practice HotS until it's released, and it will be released just a few days before MLG. i'm sure he can get a beta key
I think it's more that he's contractually obligated to play WoL and only WoL ;o
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On January 23 2013 10:02 starfinder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 09:50 tuho12345 wrote:On January 23 2013 09:44 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:37 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yay Flash! Sucks to hear Kespa players don't seem to care about GSL though :/. why they should care GSL? GOMTV paid them something? They make a shit load of money if they win GSL so why not? Plus even if you're in R32, you'll still get some money for it so why the hell not? 1000$ a month for code S RO32? I can afford 1000$ too, why not Manny Pacquiao take a boxing with me? KT paid him 400K$ this season for 42 regular matches and playoff. GOMTV paid him nothing so far, why he must play for GOM?
You mean 400.000 USD ? Chill please it's 400.000 Won -.- take away your fanboyism ... it's disgusting
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On January 24 2013 02:02 foxj wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 10:02 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:50 tuho12345 wrote:On January 23 2013 09:44 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:37 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yay Flash! Sucks to hear Kespa players don't seem to care about GSL though :/. why they should care GSL? GOMTV paid them something? They make a shit load of money if they win GSL so why not? Plus even if you're in R32, you'll still get some money for it so why the hell not? 1000$ a month for code S RO32? I can afford 1000$ too, why not Manny Pacquiao take a boxing with me? KT paid him 400K$ this season for 42 regular matches and playoff. GOMTV paid him nothing so far, why he must play for GOM? You mean 400.000 USD ? Chill please it's 400.000 Won -.- take away your fanboyism ... it's disgusting
pretty sure you dont know how Won is valued ^^
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On January 24 2013 02:02 foxj wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 10:02 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:50 tuho12345 wrote:On January 23 2013 09:44 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:37 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yay Flash! Sucks to hear Kespa players don't seem to care about GSL though :/. why they should care GSL? GOMTV paid them something? They make a shit load of money if they win GSL so why not? Plus even if you're in R32, you'll still get some money for it so why the hell not? 1000$ a month for code S RO32? I can afford 1000$ too, why not Manny Pacquiao take a boxing with me? KT paid him 400K$ this season for 42 regular matches and playoff. GOMTV paid him nothing so far, why he must play for GOM? You mean 400.000 USD ? Chill please it's 400.000 Won -.- take away your fanboyism ... it's disgusting
That's about 370USD, dont come into a thread so ignorant and aggressive when you don't know your facts and you don't have sources.
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On January 24 2013 02:02 foxj wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 10:02 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:50 tuho12345 wrote:On January 23 2013 09:44 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:37 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yay Flash! Sucks to hear Kespa players don't seem to care about GSL though :/. why they should care GSL? GOMTV paid them something? They make a shit load of money if they win GSL so why not? Plus even if you're in R32, you'll still get some money for it so why the hell not? 1000$ a month for code S RO32? I can afford 1000$ too, why not Manny Pacquiao take a boxing with me? KT paid him 400K$ this season for 42 regular matches and playoff. GOMTV paid him nothing so far, why he must play for GOM? You mean 400.000 USD ? Chill please it's 400.000 Won -.- take away your fanboyism ... it's disgusting
welcome to the world of proleague.
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On January 24 2013 02:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:02 foxj wrote:On January 23 2013 10:02 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:50 tuho12345 wrote:On January 23 2013 09:44 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:37 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yay Flash! Sucks to hear Kespa players don't seem to care about GSL though :/. why they should care GSL? GOMTV paid them something? They make a shit load of money if they win GSL so why not? Plus even if you're in R32, you'll still get some money for it so why the hell not? 1000$ a month for code S RO32? I can afford 1000$ too, why not Manny Pacquiao take a boxing with me? KT paid him 400K$ this season for 42 regular matches and playoff. GOMTV paid him nothing so far, why he must play for GOM? You mean 400.000 USD ? Chill please it's 400.000 Won -.- take away your fanboyism ... it's disgusting That's about 370USD, dont come into a thread so ignorant and aggressive when you don't know your facts and you don't have sources.
Someone's missing a set of 3 zeroes.
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On January 24 2013 02:49 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:43 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 24 2013 02:02 foxj wrote:On January 23 2013 10:02 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:50 tuho12345 wrote:On January 23 2013 09:44 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:37 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yay Flash! Sucks to hear Kespa players don't seem to care about GSL though :/. why they should care GSL? GOMTV paid them something? They make a shit load of money if they win GSL so why not? Plus even if you're in R32, you'll still get some money for it so why the hell not? 1000$ a month for code S RO32? I can afford 1000$ too, why not Manny Pacquiao take a boxing with me? KT paid him 400K$ this season for 42 regular matches and playoff. GOMTV paid him nothing so far, why he must play for GOM? You mean 400.000 USD ? Chill please it's 400.000 Won -.- take away your fanboyism ... it's disgusting That's about 370USD, dont come into a thread so ignorant and aggressive when you don't know your facts and you don't have sources. Someone's missing a set of 3 zeroes.
400.000 Won is 370 dollars, unless you were referring to him missing 3 zeroes.
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On January 23 2013 20:33 starfinder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 19:56 HolyArrow wrote:
The funny thing is that Proleague is considered more prestigious than the GSL as a SC2 tournament by some people purely on the back of a legacy built on games that aren't SC2. Meanwhile, the GSL has better players, far, FAR better casters (to be clear, I'm talking about this from a foreign perspective, I expect the Korean casters for the GSL and Proleague are both excellent and roughly of equivalent quality), and well over two years dedicated to supporting, growing, and popularizing SC2 while PL is relatively new to the SC2 scene. It's silly that certain folks care more about an abstract concept like legacy (and to reiterate, one that has nothing to do with SC2) rather than factors like the ones previously listed (players, casters, long history of supporting SC2) when determining which tournament is more important/prestigious. I guess that's just human nature though, unfortunately. You totally wrong. In fact GSL and ESF just a legacy of proleague. look at esf player's background,most of them have Proleague A/B teamer experience. Why ESF players have better macro and micro than foreign players? proleague teams trained them before. That's all. the only thing Gomtv did is exploit ex-proleague players for GSL,and take money away from fans like you by deception. you like this? just enjoy it continually.
haha no it's because they train harder on a better ladder, not because they were kespa b-teamers lol
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On January 24 2013 02:02 foxj wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 10:02 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:50 tuho12345 wrote:On January 23 2013 09:44 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 09:37 Vasoline73 wrote:
Yay Flash! Sucks to hear Kespa players don't seem to care about GSL though :/. why they should care GSL? GOMTV paid them something? They make a shit load of money if they win GSL so why not? Plus even if you're in R32, you'll still get some money for it so why the hell not? 1000$ a month for code S RO32? I can afford 1000$ too, why not Manny Pacquiao take a boxing with me? KT paid him 400K$ this season for 42 regular matches and playoff. GOMTV paid him nothing so far, why he must play for GOM? You mean 400.000 USD ? Chill please it's 400.000 Won -.- take away your fanboyism ... it's disgusting
You are wrong in every way.
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On January 23 2013 21:12 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 20:54 fluidin wrote:On January 23 2013 20:39 HolyArrow wrote:On January 23 2013 20:33 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 19:56 HolyArrow wrote:
The funny thing is that Proleague is considered more prestigious than the GSL as a SC2 tournament by some people purely on the back of a legacy built on games that aren't SC2. Meanwhile, the GSL has better players, far, FAR better casters (to be clear, I'm talking about this from a foreign perspective, I expect the Korean casters for the GSL and Proleague are both excellent and roughly of equivalent quality), and well over two years dedicated to supporting, growing, and popularizing SC2 while PL is relatively new to the SC2 scene. It's silly that certain folks care more about an abstract concept like legacy (and to reiterate, one that has nothing to do with SC2) rather than factors like the ones previously listed (players, casters, long history of supporting SC2) when determining which tournament is more important/prestigious. I guess that's just human nature though, unfortunately. You totally wrong. In fact GSL and ESF just a legacy of proleague. look at esf player's background,most of them have Proleague A/B teamer experience. Why ESF players have better macro and micro than foreign players? proleague teams trained them before. That's all. the only thing Gomtv did is exploit ex-proleague players for GSL,and take money away from fans like you by deception. you like this? just enjoy it continually. Lol take money away from fans like me by deception? All I know is that if the GSL never existed, what would have been THE SC2 tournament for the last 2+ years? What organization would have been promoting a world-class level of SC2 for the last 2+ years? If the GSL never existed then I wouldn't have even had a world-class SC2 tournament to give any money to. You make it sound like there was an alternate world-class SC2 tournament available to support and the GSL deceived me into supporting them. And you can't just assume that proleague is the reason why ESF players have better macro and micro than foreign players because there are ESF players with no proleague background who are also better than foreign players, who are even top SC2 players (such as Leenock and Life). he's pretty much saying that if BW, PL (and the like) weren't so successful, then ESF and GOMTV won't be also. Which is pretty much true, you know. They did build GSL based off a legacy. My point is that none of that matters. I said in my initial post that I disagree with even factoring in the concept of legacy, because it's meaningless to me as a viewer. I care about player skill and caster quality, since that directly affects how enjoyable a tournament is to me. I'm not sitting there watching SPL and thinking, "Wow, these casters are way worse than Tastetosis, but since SPL has such a rich legacy, I'm magically enjoying watching it more". No, I'm sitting there and thinking, "Wow, these casters are way worse than Tastetosis, these players are still not quite there yet in terms of skill/gamesense due to having played SC2 for a significantly shorter period of time than ESF players, so this tournament is less enjoyable to me". And sure, everyone has different reasons for enjoying things, and I realize that seeing BW legends play SC2 is extremely enjoyable for many people. But going back to the initial topic - the concept of prestige - I'd say that if a tournament has better players and better casters which make for a better SC2 competition experience along great production values to back it all up, then it would deserve to be considered the most prestigious tournament.
It might be meaningless to you, but it's nearly everything to the normal Korean BW fan who switched to SC2 not because they preferred the game because they followed the players, the legacy. And they're the ultimate factor when determining which group will come out ahead.
Unless somehow foreign fans become the target audience, which won't happen anytime soon because we have far less power than the domestic demographic in Korea watching SC2.
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I love it when people get behind a "tradition" they´re not part of, in order to differentiate themselves from their environment, in which they usually play a frustratingly small role.
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I don't really care t hat GSL is smaller than PL in the commercial way. GSL has better skill value, and PL has better PR value. The more people are interested in PL, the more people will start to get interested in GSL and people will start to realize GSL has better players and better games to watch. If you don't win a GSL title, you are not consider one of the best SC2 players yet. Flash may win another 5 PL, but if he is in U&D forever, I doubt we all can call him God anymore.
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GOM's tournaments have never been anything but a side job for the Kespa players. Remember Gom's Intel-TG Starleague that Flash won like twice back in '08 ? Quite a few players admitted in their interviews that they didnt actually prepare for their games.
Back then : PL > OSL > MSL >> everything else (WCG,GOM)
Tastosis used to repeatedly tell the viewers how GOM was the best BW tournament because it has the highest prize pool. The players themselves just didnt care about all that.
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On January 24 2013 16:59 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 21:12 HolyArrow wrote:On January 23 2013 20:54 fluidin wrote:On January 23 2013 20:39 HolyArrow wrote:On January 23 2013 20:33 starfinder wrote:On January 23 2013 19:56 HolyArrow wrote:
The funny thing is that Proleague is considered more prestigious than the GSL as a SC2 tournament by some people purely on the back of a legacy built on games that aren't SC2. Meanwhile, the GSL has better players, far, FAR better casters (to be clear, I'm talking about this from a foreign perspective, I expect the Korean casters for the GSL and Proleague are both excellent and roughly of equivalent quality), and well over two years dedicated to supporting, growing, and popularizing SC2 while PL is relatively new to the SC2 scene. It's silly that certain folks care more about an abstract concept like legacy (and to reiterate, one that has nothing to do with SC2) rather than factors like the ones previously listed (players, casters, long history of supporting SC2) when determining which tournament is more important/prestigious. I guess that's just human nature though, unfortunately. You totally wrong. In fact GSL and ESF just a legacy of proleague. look at esf player's background,most of them have Proleague A/B teamer experience. Why ESF players have better macro and micro than foreign players? proleague teams trained them before. That's all. the only thing Gomtv did is exploit ex-proleague players for GSL,and take money away from fans like you by deception. you like this? just enjoy it continually. Lol take money away from fans like me by deception? All I know is that if the GSL never existed, what would have been THE SC2 tournament for the last 2+ years? What organization would have been promoting a world-class level of SC2 for the last 2+ years? If the GSL never existed then I wouldn't have even had a world-class SC2 tournament to give any money to. You make it sound like there was an alternate world-class SC2 tournament available to support and the GSL deceived me into supporting them. And you can't just assume that proleague is the reason why ESF players have better macro and micro than foreign players because there are ESF players with no proleague background who are also better than foreign players, who are even top SC2 players (such as Leenock and Life). he's pretty much saying that if BW, PL (and the like) weren't so successful, then ESF and GOMTV won't be also. Which is pretty much true, you know. They did build GSL based off a legacy. My point is that none of that matters. I said in my initial post that I disagree with even factoring in the concept of legacy, because it's meaningless to me as a viewer. I care about player skill and caster quality, since that directly affects how enjoyable a tournament is to me. I'm not sitting there watching SPL and thinking, "Wow, these casters are way worse than Tastetosis, but since SPL has such a rich legacy, I'm magically enjoying watching it more". No, I'm sitting there and thinking, "Wow, these casters are way worse than Tastetosis, these players are still not quite there yet in terms of skill/gamesense due to having played SC2 for a significantly shorter period of time than ESF players, so this tournament is less enjoyable to me". And sure, everyone has different reasons for enjoying things, and I realize that seeing BW legends play SC2 is extremely enjoyable for many people. But going back to the initial topic - the concept of prestige - I'd say that if a tournament has better players and better casters which make for a better SC2 competition experience along great production values to back it all up, then it would deserve to be considered the most prestigious tournament. It might be meaningless to you, but it's nearly everything to the normal Korean BW fan who switched to SC2 not because they preferred the game because they followed the players, the legacy. And they're the ultimate factor when determining which group will come out ahead. Unless somehow foreign fans become the target audience, which won't happen anytime soon because we have far less power than the domestic demographic in Korea watching SC2.
Sure, I agree with you. I'm not talking about who's going to come out ahead, I'm just trying to argue my case for the GSL being the most prestigious tournament from a standpoint of player skill and caster quality.
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