No Open Bracket at MLG Dallas 2013 - Page 17

Cel.erity

United States4890 Posts

January 25 2013 02:14 GMT

#321

Summary of every post in this thread: "I don't know what it is, but I hate it."

Anyway...I don't really mind if they get rid of open brackets, since I find most of the early matches one-sided and uninteresting anyway. I think if you're an unknown player and you want to prove yourself, there are a lot of ways to do that in SC2 right now, and we don't need the most prestigious western tournament to accomodate it. Open qualifiers are always a good thing though.

Has anyone guessed yet that they might be switching to a GSL Code S/A type system? Because that's what I think.

KiF1rE

United States964 Posts

January 25 2013 02:49 GMT

#322

On January 25 2013 11:14 Cel.erity wrote:
Summary of every post in this thread: "I don't know what it is, but I hate it."

Anyway...I don't really mind if they get rid of open brackets, since I find most of the early matches one-sided and uninteresting anyway. I think if you're an unknown player and you want to prove yourself, there are a lot of ways to do that in SC2 right now, and we don't need the most prestigious western tournament to accomodate it. Open qualifiers are always a good thing though.

Has anyone guessed yet that they might be switching to a GSL Code S/A type system? Because that's what I think.

but GSL and stuff had open qualifiers essentially a live open bracket... just GSL code S/A etc are all spread out and not played in one weekend though.

and what are your ways to prove yourself? winning lans, winning money, winning stuff falls short, doing well on the ladder, as a competitor nothing matters unless its something huge that people are looking at.

Take Scarlett for example, no one but people that have played against her before knew about her. She wins a qualifier and does really well. remove that opportunity, and would anyone know about Scarlett?

while we dont know what the format is, The odds of myself competing in a major live event are now pretty much 0 in the US. And I hate online qualifiers, because over my SC2 career ive played notable map hackers in qualifers that have been caught and I lost... Its alot harder to cheat with a ref standing over someones shoulder. Why the open bracket from a qualifier perspective was so nice.

neggro

United States591 Posts

January 25 2013 03:02 GMT

#323

hmmm

Ry2D2

United States429 Posts

January 25 2013 03:03 GMT

#324

I think they'll at least have it for later events but since this is like the week after HotS comes out they want to do things differently i guess.

Leeto

United States1320 Posts

January 25 2013 03:10 GMT

#325

I think we should hold off any judgement until the alternative has been revealed. So many people too quick to bash the decision..

NiteshadeSC2

Canada98 Posts

January 25 2013 05:16 GMT

#326

[QUOTE]On January 25 2013 11:14 Cel.erity wrote:
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I think you may be out of tune to Esports recruitment - any new players coming up, as well as those already signed to none/small/medium budget teams rely on open brackets to help "break out" new players. Players not yet signed and showing promise can use these to bring them to the forefront of Esports, and team recruiting.

Additionally, teams can also help use Open brackets to help develop statistics and exposure of their team and their sponsors to help justify continued investment of sponsorship dollars.

Niteshade

kommunalka

United States550 Posts

January 25 2013 14:50 GMT

#327

On January 25 2013 12:10 Leeto wrote:
I think we should hold off any judgement until the alternative has been revealed. So many people too quick to bash the decision..

This is pretty much my outlook on the situation.... sitting back and waiting before weighing in.

Lunareste

United States3596 Posts

January 25 2013 14:55 GMT

#328

Well we know it has something to do with KeSPA. In one of Flash's SPL interviews he mentions that he's worried about not getting practice for Heart of the Swarm because he has to attend MLG.

warmus

United Kingdom196 Posts

January 25 2013 16:32 GMT

#329

I dont know if anyone considered this as the MLGs big thing, namely something with perhaps actual TV broadcasting?. The logic goes that well if they try so hard to keep this a secret while taking the hit over the open bracket, this "thing" ought to be big. This naturally suggests that its not about the players, as that alone would definitely not AMAZE the community, with plenty of top end competition available for viewing both in Korea and internationally. Same goes about the format- it may turn out exciting, but could it even be possible to create a format that would warrant the hype alone?

This also seems like perhaps the best time to try TV. For one, HotS release is an obvious reason, it is bound to attract more potential viewers than WoL. Second, MLG advertisers (as well as kespa ones) tend to be more commercial than rest of esports. DrPepper or Bic vs kingston and razer. This would imply that these companies could have a greater interest in being on tv. KeSPA ofcourse also helps this cause, could involve international branches / contacts + they like to be on tv

. Finally it seems like MLG would have the easiest time breaking into the market, given its contract with CBSi, perhaps some contacts at least.

I dont know, but from what i understand format is going to be a part of a bigger announcement. If a tournament believes its gonna able to bring out something "big" and perhaps revolutionary, it seems obvious to ask the question of how they could possibly do that after 2 years of all kinds of tournaments. I think a TV announcement would justify this delay and have the impact we all hope to see. I am posting this mainly for future bragging rights should this actually happen

BronzeKnee

United States5218 Posts

January 25 2013 16:40 GMT

#330

On January 26 2013 01:32 warmus wrote:
I dont know if anyone considered this as the MLGs big thing, namely something with perhaps actual TV broadcasting?. The logic goes that well if they try so hard to keep this a secret while taking the hit over the open bracket, this "thing" ought to be big. This naturally suggests that its not about the players, as that alone would definitely not AMAZE the community, with plenty of top end competition available for viewing both in Korea and internationally. Same goes about the format- it may turn out exciting, but could it even be possible to create a format that would warrant the hype alone?

This also seems like perhaps the best time to try TV. For one, HotS release is an obvious reason, it is bound to attract more potential viewers than WoL. Second, MLG advertisers (as well as kespa ones) tend to be more commercial than rest of esports. DrPepper or Bic vs kingston and razer. This would imply that these companies could have a greater interest in being on tv. KeSPA ofcourse also helps this cause, could involve international branches / contacts + they like to be on tv

I said earlier in this thread that I could think of nothing better that would replace the Open Bracket and that is the reason I am very disappointed. However, I stand corrected, SC2 being on TV would be better. I really, really, hope you are right.

On January 25 2013 02:54 Iron_ wrote:
The "common man" being able to sign up and play versus the pros, and the high masters guy having a very good day making it a little farther than expected, are why I attend MLG's. I was actually planning on flying to a few of them this year (I live near Dallas, so that is usually a no brainer).

If they eliminate the open bracket (and honestly I don't care what the replacement is), I will not only not attend Dallas and other MLGs, I will not purchase the subscription. I am currently a gold member. I figure I should get this sentiment out there, I am sure there are plenty of others that feel the same way.

Your not the only one. The idea of being able to sign up and play versus pros is one of the things makes MLG and E-Sports so fun.

StasisTV

United States92 Posts

January 25 2013 16:45 GMT

#331

I'm curious to know what they are deciding to use up that time for... I was personally hoping to see a couple of teammates who were planning on going out to compete, compete. I hope there is still at least an online qualifier of some sort because how else would some of the larger names work their way up from open bracket and win the entire thing?(Aren't 75%+ MLGs won by someone in the open bracket?

YoungNV

Canada18 Posts

January 25 2013 17:20 GMT

#332

I'm not sad to see the open bracket gone. With so many tournaments going on these days it just isn't possible to give a shit about every single game anymore—especially when one or both of the players is an unknown. Why not produce a smaller tournament and focus on the proven elite players? By all means, have a separate tournament for up-and-coming players to prove themselves and earn a spot at the major event. The Code S, Code A, Code B, system is the perfect example. That way you can still follow the story of these lower tier players if you really want to, and the main events will be more digestible. It might be more cost efficient as well. Instead of having a 3 or 4 day tournament it can be done in 1 or 2. Everybody from tournament organizers, players and teams to spectators will save money on venue fees, food, and accommodations. The lower tier tournaments can be held in smaller, less expensive venues with lesser-known casters. You might even get to see Tastosis back for main events in that case. I'm excited to see what this will lead to.

JimmyJRaynor

Canada17159 Posts

January 25 2013 23:01 GMT

#333

considering the substantial commitments they've made to several other games they probably do not have the floor space to hold SC2:HotS open qualifiers.

open qualifiers are a great way to prevent map hacking. However, i've heard many many horror stories from guys who were less than famous" GMs about ridiculous Open Bracket conditions MLG puts them under. A lot of that was due to hundreds and hundreds of games that had to be played. It is a logistical night mare.

After reading MLGs press release about the Winter Championships its clear MLG is scaling back the resources committed to Starcraft2.

DMGXeraxus

United States5 Posts

January 28 2013 17:58 GMT

#334

I couldn't imagine an event like this not having some form of audience participation involved with it. Although it does seem more and more people are content with just watching others play. So I'll be ineterested to see what mlg wants to do with the first time slot.

Hodgyy

138 Posts

January 28 2013 18:01 GMT

#335

[QUOTE]On January 25 2013 14:16 NiteshadeSC2 wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 25 2013 11:14 Cel.erity wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

QUOTE]

I think you may be out of tune to Esports recruitment - any new players coming up, as well as those already signed to none/small/medium budget teams rely on open brackets to help "break out" new players. Players not yet signed and showing promise can use these to bring them to the forefront of Esports, and team recruiting.

Additionally, teams can also help use Open brackets to help develop statistics and exposure of their team and their sponsors to help justify continued investment of sponsorship dollars.

Niteshade[/QUOTE]

This is my biggest problem, Me and my buddy have basically formed and payed for out of pocket for atleast 3 events now to help get our players and team name out in the community.

Neo.NEt

United States785 Posts

January 29 2013 21:16 GMT

#336

Bummer. I was in the open bracket in Dallas in like April 2011, was pretty cool. Hopefully they replace it with something similar (that anyone can play in).

KiF1rE

United States964 Posts

January 31 2013 17:10 GMT

#337

Well its officially announced, No open qualifiers no nothing, Now all the people that say we cant hate because we dont know whats replacing the open bracket, Its literally nothing!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396336

so basically MLG is going to be only 2 invite only events, top 4 from last MLG event plus 28 from their showdown match series.

SkaPunk

United States471 Posts

January 31 2013 17:15 GMT

#338

On February 01 2013 02:10 KiF1rE wrote:
Well its officially announced, No open qualifiers no nothing, Now all the people that say we cant hate because we dont know whats replacing the open bracket, Its literally nothing!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396336

so basically MLG is going to be only 2 invite only events, top 4 from last MLG event plus 28 from their showdown match series.

Is this it? Is this the only thing replacing the open brackets? Literally nothing?! Yeah, will y'all be go to events if you and/or your friends cant play in it? You're killing the magic of MLG, MLG.

avilo

United States4100 Posts

January 31 2013 17:31 GMT

#339

Quite sad to hear.

FLuE

United States1012 Posts

January 31 2013 17:42 GMT

#340

It is just for Dallas, it isn't the entire year there is no Open Bracket.

Considering we are going to see 32 great players playing HotS just 2 weeks after release for 75k... sounds pretty good to me. I'll pass on a bunch of garbage open bracket matches with players that have hardly practiced the game against people who played beta abusing strats. No thanks. I'm sure Open qualifiers will be back as they continue on but really.. it makes little sense to do an open bracket this early when what you want to do is let the known players showcase how great HotS is(which I don't know if it is or isn't, but this weekend could go a long way to revitalizing the scene with a big tournament right after the expansion).

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