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I'll try and keep as much of my opinion out of the OP as possible, but I do not think this is a good idea, even with all the volatility HotS could bring.
No Open Bracket at MLG Dallas 2013
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
Source I'll try and keep as much of my opinion out of the OP as possible, but I do not think this is a good idea, even with all the volatility HotS could bring.
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snively
United States1159 Posts
i hope its good xD edit: i mean, what could replace open bracket? has to be something awesome right??? | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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Mortal
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On January 23 2013 03:13 farvacola wrote: Sundance ought to know better than to announce no open bracket without an immediate followup, the rumor mill and the court of public opinion are going to go nuts. ANNOUNCING ANNOUNCEMENTS Oh Sundance. + Show Spoiler + I do hope it's something fun though | ||
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mijellin
China740 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:13 farvacola wrote: Sundance ought to know better than to announce no open bracket without an immediate followup, the rumor mill and the court of public opinion are going to go nuts. Oh no! People will be talking about the event they're putting on! They're going to be soooooo devastated! | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8304 Posts
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farvacola
United States18826 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:15 mijellin wrote: Oh no! People will be talking about the event they're putting on! They're going to be soooooo devastated! Chinese Romanians unite! | ||
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-JoKeR-
Canada387 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
If it's simply some sort of kespa qualifier though, meh. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
I competed at MLG dallas last november, and it was a ton of fun, even though I didn't get anywhere near pool play. | ||
peanuts
United States1225 Posts
And even though we don't know what the "something else" is, I gotta say, I'm still really disappointed by this. The open bracket has always been the source of some amazing games, as well as letting up and comers really make a name for themselves. :c | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:13 farvacola wrote: Sundance ought to know better than to announce no open bracket without an immediate followup, the rumor mill and the court of public opinion are going to go nuts. He only did it cause Desrow leaked it on twitter like 3 days ago... | ||
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mute20
Canada175 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44329 Posts
People will probably be immediately angry until Sundance elaborates on this. I have faith in him though  | ||
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
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Crazypyro1
United States446 Posts
One has to wonder what they were thinking, especially because I think story lines are more important now than ever to the growth of e-sports. Judgement: Stupid move, in my opinion. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
 So sad.. | ||
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nickbalev
Bulgaria241 Posts
But the open brackets brought so many great stories i dunno how i feel about them not being anymore.They were a reason for semi pro`s and gamers to go and participate in an offline event. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Several (open?) qualifiers? People will probably be immediately angry until Sundance elaborates on this. I have faith in him though Same here. The open bracket seemed like a nightmare to run along side an event, let alone play in. I did not like them because at all and think they really limited what MLG could do at any given event. Qualifiers are likely the best route for MLG going forward. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:12 snively wrote: oooooh my god. "something else planned" IM PSYCHED i hope its good xD edit: i mean, what could replace open bracket? has to be something awesome right??? An open ladder that day would be awesome, where gamers just play against each other in a round robin fashion | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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shtdisturbance
Canada613 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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fr0d0b0ls0n
Spain51 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:18 sixfour wrote: please please please be a swiss format One can only hope. Still waiting for a top tournament to use swiss format... | ||
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
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MrJoKer
France232 Posts
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eqinf
Germany100 Posts
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Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
Welp I just don't really know what to think of it until we learn more about it... | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
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zealenth
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NephewJ
Germany4 Posts
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RoninKenshin
Canada97 Posts
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Duvamil
United Kingdom11 Posts
 ) could turn up and win it just through the open bracket | ||
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Q.E.D
United Kingdom2 Posts
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HuK
Canada1591 Posts
but everyone is invited ! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ^_^ | ||
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Mudkipnick
Korea (South)241 Posts
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prabhbhambra13
United Kingdom424 Posts
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
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speknek
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allyourbase3
United States14 Posts
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Nahsom
Austria361 Posts
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triforks
United States370 Posts
smaller prizepool ofc the top wol players can fight for the championship and then the random ppl in the open bracket who arent gonna win anyway can compete in hots | ||
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:59 allyourbase3 wrote: How many winners have come out of the open bracket? several... i know atleast 3 off the top of my head... Leenock twice, naniwa. probably more. | ||
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nooboon
2602 Posts
It's only for the first event so its not like open brackets are entirely eliminated. Probably something to do with spreading out the seeding for their championship groups. That way for the second MLG, we would have the groups along with the open bracket again. | ||
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TheRealNanMan
United States1471 Posts
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Passion
Netherlands1486 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:01 KiF1rE wrote: several... i know atleast 3 off the top of my head... Leenock twice, naniwa. probably more. And that's only winners, which isn't all that matters on a player level. | ||
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
In all seriousness, I really hope they have some kind of format that allows new players in. HotS will be like a brand new game and new faces would be welcomed with open arms I assume. | ||
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
Great idea. Great. :| | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:51 Q.E.D wrote: I stopped watching MLG events when they first introduced pay wall (for arenas i think it was). God forbid anybody try to help esports grow by supporting with the same amount of cash as 2 cups of coffee or something >.> This is an old argument though, and afaik MLG doesn't even do the arenas anymore. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
What could possibly replace open brackets? :/ | ||
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:07 goswser wrote: So now there are zero north american events with open brackets. We have IPL, which is reducing the number of players even more, NASL, which has about two new spots each season which are snapped up by Code S koreans, and now MLG is going invite only. When you put it that way, this is incredibly stupid, yeah. | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:10 N.geNuity wrote: not really a surprise, probably better to have online qualifiers. all open bracket ended up with was "what korean is in open bracket and what notable players were seeded into ro5 of winner's bracket", and all that did was tire out the korean who had to play. but... if it goes to a online qualifier format now you have to deal with the mass amount of hackers in an online qualifier... The MLG HOTS koth already had one participating... | ||
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:07 goswser wrote: So now there are zero north american events with open brackets. We have IPL, which is reducing the number of players even more, NASL, which has about two new spots each season which are snapped up by Code S koreans, and now MLG is going invite only. Yeah, it's looking very bleak but I wouldn't be so down and out about it because Sundance has promised some good stuff for the NA players recently =0 One can only hope! | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:11 Targe wrote: Whaat? What could possibly replace open brackets? :/ Qualifiers in whatever format? If this means MLG will finally again be able to stream all games I like this. | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
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havox_
Germany442 Posts
they replace it by something. they didnt even say by what they replace it. -> ppl are already whining that its a bad idea. wtf? | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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MelloSC2
United States5 Posts
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:21 prOphet910 wrote: People relax. The no open bracket for now is a good idea because most pros have barely even played hots. Some exp. Am who has played beta since release could slam everybody just cause he knows what builds work and what not. Its not how you want to start the new scene of an expansion. Honestly, why isn't it? GSL Opens started the same way. | ||
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Flanq
United Kingdom2694 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:21 prOphet910 wrote: People relax. The no open bracket for now is a good idea because most pros have barely even played hots. Some exp. Am who has played beta since release could slam everybody just cause he knows what builds work and what not. Its not how you want to start the new scene of an expansion. What with an unknown taking a win in a stacked tournament? How is that bad? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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wrathofconn
United States49 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:21 prOphet910 wrote: People relax. The no open bracket for now is a good idea because most pros have barely even played hots. Some exp. Am who has played beta since release could slam everybody just cause he knows what builds work and what not. Its not how you want to start the new scene of an expansion. Oh, ok. I thought the purpose of a tournament was to see who the best player was. My mistake. | ||
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
Kind of sucks for any up-and-coming NA players though, there are very few offline events for them as it is (and without playhem, not much online either). I'm also going to miss the old-school LAN atmosphere at the events. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
What if it's an open groups stage? An MLG adaptation of the GSL up/downs. That way they could broadcast more games with lesser known players, and look epic doing it. | ||
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:19 havox_ wrote: the open brackets are 98% boring. they replace it by something. they didnt even say by what they replace it. -> ppl are already whining that its a bad idea. wtf? The open brackets are never given attention by the tournament hosts, but it's usually where the amazing stories come from, like up-and-coming players taking out well established players. | ||
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:24 wrathofconn wrote: Oh, ok. I thought the purpose of a tournament was to see who the best player was. My mistake. No no, it's to suck off established pros as much as possible. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:21 prOphet910 wrote: People relax. The no open bracket for now is a good idea because most pros have barely even played hots. Some exp. Am who has played beta since release could slam everybody just cause he knows what builds work and what not. Its not how you want to start the new scene of an expansion. You don't want to see someone who knows "what builds work and what not" ? I'd rather see new faces performing well because they work their ass off rather than some travesty tournament with players fooling around. | ||
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kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:19 havox_ wrote: the open brackets are 98% boring. they replace it by something. they didnt even say by what they replace it. -> ppl are already whining that its a bad idea. wtf? We just have in bad memory times when players like Incontrol kept getting invited on merrit of their name, while legitimate progamers didn't even have a chance of the spotlight, because nobody knew about them. | ||
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ThomasjServo
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monx
Canada1400 Posts
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
Seriously guys, no one cared about the open brackets. Who knows, maybe this new thing will enable new players to rise up to the top faster. You people are so damn negative, it's crazy. | ||
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REFLEX_500
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:24 wrathofconn wrote: Oh, ok. I thought the purpose of a tournament was to see who the best player was. My mistake. You just blew my mind. Imagine watching White-Ra and TT1 come out and smash everyone, /tear | ||
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eronica
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In the last 2 MLG: Leenock, coming from open bracket, won MLG Summer Rain/Heart, coming from the open bracket, goes top6 | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:24 wrathofconn wrote: Oh, ok. I thought the purpose of a tournament was to see who the best player was. My mistake. I really wanted to do a: "Oh I am sorry, I thought this was America" joke, but I stopped myself. | ||
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looknohands119
United States815 Posts
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GregMandel
France822 Posts
But they did, so why the hell complain now ? Wait just to see what it is, and if it's bad or simply worse than open bracket then I'm all for QQing with you guys ! | ||
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Daeracon
Sweden199 Posts
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
However I am extremely worried for the new blood in starcraft 2. I can't even figure out exactly how an amateur would go about getting in the pro scene at the moment, other than MAYBE doing daily tournaments (or joining a popular clan and doing well in clan battles in hots) and hoping that a team picks them up, and then MAYBE that that team sends them to an event. To me that sounds like "ways to suffocate your scene for dummies", and an all around terrible way to get up to being a progamer. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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Akio00
United States98 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:31 Butterednuts wrote: Leave it to Team Liquid to already hate an idea that isn't announced yet. Well said. Before you start complaining too hard, wait until you see what the replacement is. Maybe you'll like it. What a hard concept to grasp. | ||
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birchman
Sweden393 Posts
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Prime Directive
United States186 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:34 aksfjh wrote: Open brackets are a huge draw for a lot of my friends who just like to compete. Sure, they go down in 4 games, but sometimes they go further and it's a hoot. It's part of the reason I support MLG when I can. I don't care too much for the underdog story, but love the idea that pros are "forced" to mingle with us lowly scrubs. Being beaten 13-0 by zEx in CS 1.6 was one of the most fun experiences I ever had in gaming. Granted, it was in the finals at the end of an open bracket win streak that involved beating a Code-A level team the game before but still. Just playing against superstars was unreal. | ||
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GregMandel
France822 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:37 birchman wrote: From how he worded this, it doesn't even seem like this is a permanent thing. It's probably just something cool for the first event. Maybe everyone has to fight Flash in BW to move on or something. Wait are you telling me it's exactly like having no open qualifier ? Damn sundance, you tricky bastard ... | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:35 Akio00 wrote: Well said. Before you start complaining too hard, wait until you see what the replacement is. Maybe you'll like it. What a hard concept to grasp. I pretty much agree with this. If they decide to do a bunch of online qualifiers instead for example, or come up with something unique / original that still allows new players to have a chance at breaking into the scene, it could definitely still be fun to watch. | ||
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NKB
United Kingdom608 Posts
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Garfailed
Netherlands409 Posts
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:35 Akio00 wrote: Well said. Before you start complaining too hard, wait until you see what the replacement is. Maybe you'll like it. What a hard concept to grasp. well the issue with this is, they made an announcement that the community wont like guaranteed. Without offering what is replacing it... And if its online qualifiers or anything of the sort, I wont like it regardless. | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria923 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
(((((I hope there will be a way for new talent to still quaify tho. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
Otherwise, I have to see what they have in their mind. | ||
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Acronysis
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
*rant over* | ||
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Finnz
United Kingdom260 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:46 KiF1rE wrote: well the issue with this is, they made an announcement that the community wont like guaranteed. Without offering what is replacing it... And if its online qualifiers or anything of the sort, I wont like it regardless. How is it guaranteed that the community won't like it? Again, you're still just assuming it's bad. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:02 Butterednuts wrote: How is it guaranteed that the community won't like it? Again, you're still just assuming it's bad. Well I don't see what else they could possibly do that would give new comers a chance to get their name out there. If it's online qualifiers it's better then nothing but still dumb. I was not a fan of IPL getting rid of their open brackets either :/. | ||
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
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InsidiA
Canada1169 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:09 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'll try and keep as much of my opinion out of the OP as possible, but I do not think this is a good idea, even with all the volatility HotS could bring. Virigl is actually livid. | ||
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2xNoodle
United States201 Posts
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Noonius
Estonia17413 Posts
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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goswser
United States3546 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:11 ReachTheSky wrote: I hope they aren't trying to make things seem more "exclusive". I've seen enough invitationals with the same sack of players I don't want to see another. They are. | ||
Olli
Austria24417 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + a.k.a. WCS Korea, LAWL | ||
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nGBeast
United States914 Posts
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diplomatten
United States43 Posts
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dubRa
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Edit. Tweet says only in Dallas. Topic name is misleading I think. Edit. Title changed | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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TheSir
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:05 blade55555 wrote: Well I don't see what else they could possibly do that would give new comers a chance to get their name out there. If it's online qualifiers it's better then nothing but still dumb. I was not a fan of IPL getting rid of their open brackets either :/. You're still doing it. You're still arguing that there's nothing that can be done that can improve upon the open bracket format. Just calm down and take the news for what it is: an announcement of more news to come. | ||
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Deathshot
Canada29 Posts
One announcement explaining this and the replacement would be much better though | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
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murkk
Canada154 Posts
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kolofome
United States96 Posts
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Eggi
478 Posts
the people that cant deal with the pros *caughtidontknowanything* caugh* | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
To be more clear, I think that MLG is actually going to see a hard dip in their numbers this event because people will not be interested in the games played. Especially when the invites+ Show Spoiler + (invites are already sent as confirmed by HuK's post) I really wish I could support MLG as I've been following since 2004 but I may skip watching this tournament because of this :/ | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:14 dubRa wrote: No open bracket for the whole year? whaaat? This is a huge dissapointment for me. Edit. Tweet says only in Dallas. Topic name is misleading I think. Edit. Title changed The title wasn't changed, you just didn't read the whole thing. | ||
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:11 ReachTheSky wrote: I hope they aren't trying to make things seem more "exclusive". I've seen enough invitationals with the same sack of players I don't want to see another. It's funny when you look at it, a lot of players who win the MLG actually come from the open bracket. I personally dislike these invite only tournaments. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:17 Butterednuts wrote: You're still doing it. You're still arguing that there's nothing that can be done that can improve upon the open bracket format. Just calm down and take the news for what it is: an announcement of more news to come. I'm not angry. I think it's dumb but this won't affect me personally because I wouldn't be going next time anyway. I don't see any way they could improve the bracket and still give new players a chance to come up. I think you need to calm down though as you seem to be getting a little worked up over everyone who doesn't like this | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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Sleet
United States139 Posts
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Endall
United States66 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:18 Jarree wrote: Is mlg still related to kespa? Probably some Kespa-only-open-bracket that leads directly to quarterfinals Pretty close to my thinking as well. Not sure what else it could be and this is a reasonable deduction, even though it alienates most of the non-Kespa teams players who didn't qualify. I thought it was too large of a pool play anyway and didn't really produce many stories, other than "so-so-Korean" won his way through the open bracket to make top 4 or so. I would like to see qualifiers instead of the bracket play. More Starcraft to watch between events, as there is also the arenas. Edit: Fixed spelling mistake | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
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Vansetsu
United States1454 Posts
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
I am very curious if we have some open brackets in US open or Wimbledon. If not, we for sure must ask for it.  | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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Taipoka
Brazil1224 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:31 StarVe wrote: I don't know what will replace it but it's still dumb as always by MLG to announce something like that and then not follow it up with the announcement of the alternative they chose. As i know by the previous posts, it was not suposed to be this way. They announced it because some fat guy leaked it on twitter | ||
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Mackus
England1681 Posts
Stupid move either way not to follow it up, effective way how to un-hype a tournament. | ||
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LuNa.
United States20 Posts
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Irre
United States646 Posts
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Billinator
United States86 Posts
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DailYLeet
Germany827 Posts
Cause of the Open Bracket so many histories were written and heroes and new face were lighted up ! | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
just saying, would be funny XD | ||
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xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
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kolofome
United States96 Posts
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BlazingGlory
Bulgaria854 Posts
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kolofome
United States96 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:41 BlazingGlory wrote: So the poor non-pro people that join MLG brackets just to get stomped by some of their favorite player wont get their chance. its pretty easy to say then when it's impossible for you to sign up | ||
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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number01
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:40 xuanzue wrote: If it's invitational, I'll be watching the eagle stream that weekend is that stream still around? lol those baby eagles should have made their own nests by now. | ||
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:46 number01 wrote: maybe not enough people sign up for sc2 anymore so they are forced to replace it with something else. DOTA! | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:40 xuanzue wrote: If it's invitational, I'll be watching the eagle stream that weekend Hahaha eagle stream. | ||
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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Gojira621
United States374 Posts
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Kompicek
Czech Republic245 Posts
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
Hope it's not a step in the direction of de-emphasizing sc as the premiere esport at MLG in favour of League. On January 23 2013 05:49 TommyP wrote: I feel bad for people who bought plane tickets to go compete in open bracket. seriously. | ||
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
Just a question, MLG was the only big offline tournament where every casual can show up and try to beat the pros right? | ||
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derpface
Sweden925 Posts
Brings back some sweet memories rofl | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:37 Irre wrote: whatever the new format is, it will probably be something to limit the number of koreans from both ESF/Kespa. I remember how they were talking on SoTG holiday/drinking episode about how MLG was going to do more to stack the pool for NA/EU and promote them. I really hope this isn't the case, but we'll see. That would be terrible and would make foreign tournaments even less interessting to me. | ||
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Snorkels
United States1015 Posts
I hopingly predict that it translates into an online tournament for # play-ins as early rounds, and then the weekend translates into rounds 3 or 4 through championship. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:35 fr0d0b0ls0n wrote: One can only hope. Still waiting for a top tournament to use swiss format... Agreed! I want it! | ||
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United States487 Posts
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United States823 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
calling it now something with a smaller prize pool like maybe 1500 for first. | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
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United States23455 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:24 Crazypyro1 wrote: Sounds pretty boring to me. I know the open brackets don't usually pull in that much in terms of viewers, compared to only having known pros participate, but it added something to the feel of MLG that I think will be sorely missed without the open bracket. Everyone loves to see the underdog, but MLG has pretty much completely shut out the chances of one of those story lines. One has to wonder what they were thinking, especially because I think story lines are more important now than ever to the growth of e-sports. Judgement: Stupid move, in my opinion. Yeah... this is really bad. The Open Bracket was the reason I got a Gold Membership, so I could watch the extra streams and see awesome stuff like MKP lose a game to WBC. That makes me sad I won't get to see an Open Bracket anymore.. MLG Championships were my favorite events too, and the only ones I pay for anymore. Maybe I should look into the GSL again. | ||
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Csong
Canada396 Posts
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:22 Ammanas wrote: He only did it cause Desrow leaked it on twitter like 3 days ago... Sundance said he was gonna announce it today before I said anything. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On January 23 2013 05:01 Hrrrrm wrote: Color me not surprised. MLG doesn't want to deal with unknowns beating established pros because of the early volatility of HOTS. Why would MLG forbid an unknown player comes up with a solid build out and starts taking games off Koreans in a new game? Would that not bring drama and excitement (viewers) to the scene? | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:28 L3g3nd_ wrote: can everyone chill out? they havent even announced what the new thing is yet for crying out loud The Open Bracket was amazingly awesome. I honestly can't think of a better replacement and that is the problem. We'll see what happens. | ||
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edlover420
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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Dirkinity
Germany409 Posts
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Mista_Masta
Netherlands557 Posts
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
MLG2012 format was really boring for me. I hope the MLG 2013 format is much better than the 2012 one. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
wondering what they're going to do though... | ||
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Uracil
Germany422 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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StarStruck
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:30 BronzeKnee wrote: The Open Bracket was amazingly awesome. I honestly can't think of a better replacement and that is the problem. We'll see what happens. so because you cant think of it means it doesnt exist? thats incredibly short sighted. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:48 Holcan wrote: No open bracket sucks, it makes it not worth travelling too, but hopefully Sundance pulls of something like a Kespa/GSL/Dreamhack side tournament for the tournament grounds to be more lively. I wholeheartedly hope this isn't his plan. I've gotta agree with IdrA, it's pretty unfair to players to expect them to perform in more than one tournament simultaneously. | ||
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
on a more serious note: On January 23 2013 06:27 BronzeKnee wrote: I think an open bracket would indeed fit this situation even better then normal.Why would MLG forbid an unknown player comes up with a solid build out and starts taking games off Koreans in a new game? Would that not bring drama and excitement (viewers) to the scene? But maybe their alternative is better, i'm pretty curious as to what they're doing instead. | ||
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Al Bundy
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PVJ
Hungary5220 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:23 mute20 wrote: I am taking a guess it will be some super extended series -_- It will be one 500000 minute long match where players are taking over from each other every two minutes on the fastest map possible. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:27 BronzeKnee wrote: Why would MLG forbid an unknown player comes up with a solid build out and starts taking games off Koreans in a new game? Would that not bring drama and excitement (viewers) to the scene? One of the highest viewed moment of the last MLG (might have been the highest) was Flash vs Naniwa. Darkhorses dont draw viewers. People dont tune in to see people they havnt heard of, they tune in to see hyped matches and that was a hyped match. | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 23 2013 06:18 BronzeKnee wrote: Yeah... this is really bad. The Open Bracket was the reason I got a Gold Membership, so I could watch the extra streams and see awesome stuff like MKP lose a game to WBC. That makes me sad I won't get to see an Open Bracket anymore.. MLG Championships were my favorite events too, and the only ones I pay for anymore. Maybe I should look into the GSL again. I am sure they are going to replace it with something that is less cumbersome. Just thinking about the number of PCs required do run the open bracket makes my head hurt. It will likely be open, just not madness or run on the same days as MLG prime. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
mlg wouldn't be the same with no open bracket. if it's because people don't watch, then fine don't stream it but at least let players try to make a name for themselves at a big lan like MLG | ||
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UHF
Australia58 Posts
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Atrbyg
United States513 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:36 Nazeron wrote: wonder what they have planned because they usually help new talent to get into the scene and help with exposure Wondering the exact same thing. | ||
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:51 Wi)nD wrote: is mlg hots? or wol ? hots | ||
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Fuego
United Kingdom166 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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acgFork
Canada397 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On January 23 2013 08:14 acgFork wrote: What the bloody hell I already bought a fucking plane ticket to Dallas and quit my job at SuperStore just so I could practice for the open bracket. And lickety fucking split, this shit happens. HOLY TITFUCK wtf and right now I'm pretty glad I quit sc2 after the last MLG of 2012 ha. no more being able to be bad and go to MLG's like me of 2012 LOL :D | ||
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intense555
United States474 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On January 23 2013 08:14 acgFork wrote: What the bloody hell I already bought a fucking plane ticket to Dallas and quit my job at SuperStore just so I could practice for the open bracket. And lickety fucking split, this shit happens. HOLY TITFUCK wtf Wow that sucks really bad. I guess you can try and qualify for some other tournament? | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
Hopefully we get MLG details soon :/ | ||
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
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ZeBigMarn
Australia30 Posts
For the next MLG hopefully the open bracket is returned if this 'new idea' fails. But as I said earlier I can live with this for the time being. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
What we gain: Some more kespa player many of us have no clue about and most of which are people who have made 0 attempt to reach out to the Western audience. Yeah, what a great change. Looking so forward to Dallas. | ||
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Dujek
United Kingdom276 Posts
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ChosenBrad1322
United States562 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:16 TheDougler wrote: Desrow leaked this earlier. I agree it's a bad move, but as long as they have a pretty large bracket and several qualifiers it might not be the end of the world. We don't know its a bad move until we see what the alternate plan is ^^ | ||
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United States97276 Posts
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
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Australia1903 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
On January 23 2013 09:31 BigKahunaBurger wrote: And there goes the last tournament EG.Machine and EG.InControl can actually play in. Incontrol was 2 games away from getting into groups last MLG, got beaten by his teammates. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On January 23 2013 09:34 Larkin wrote: Incontrol was 2 games away from getting into groups last MLG, got beaten by his teammates. So literally everything I said was true, is what you're saying? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44329 Posts
On January 23 2013 09:47 BigKahunaBurger wrote: So literally everything I said was true, is what you're saying? Actually you don't know that, because we don't know what the new set up for this MLG is. Also, it sounds condescending to single them out, out of all the other players. | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
On January 23 2013 09:31 BigKahunaBurger wrote: And there goes the last tournament EG.Machine and EG.InControl can actually play in. You forgot lzgamer bro | ||
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
On January 23 2013 09:34 Larkin wrote: Incontrol was 2 games away from getting into groups last MLG, got beaten by his teammates. Even if he hadnt bean beaten by his mediocre team mates, he would meet some actually DECENT players in groups and wouldn't have even taken a map. | ||
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
On January 23 2013 08:18 LuckyFool wrote: and right now I'm pretty glad I quit sc2 after the last MLG of 2012 ha. no more being able to be bad and go to MLG's like me of 2012 LOL :D Well, we're all glad that your life is so much better without sc2 and going to MLG's. | ||
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Elwar
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uberism
Canada271 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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SubtleFury
United States2 Posts
I can not find the schedule date for MLG Raleigh, NC any where. Is it out?? Please help!!!! | ||
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Leeoku
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renlynn
United States276 Posts
On January 23 2013 08:51 Dujek wrote: I was kinda looking forward to the first HotS open bracket, you know that some noname would come out of nowhere with some crazy new HotS strategy and win the whole thing. yeah, this is pretty much the worst possible tournament to start cutting the open bracket. if it had been in the middle of WoL I could see where they're coming from. then again I have no idea what else they have planned. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
What could it be? Really curious, because the open bracket has shown us some nice games. | ||
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orllyfools
United States153 Posts
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
Terrible idea, all tournaments of this type should have an open bracket. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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GrapeApe
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KookyMonster
United States311 Posts
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
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Geos13
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Skiblet
South Africa206 Posts
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On January 23 2013 11:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Actually you don't know that, because we don't know what the new set up for this MLG is. Also, it sounds condescending to single them out, out of all the other players. You're right. Sorry. InControl and Machine aren't the only bad players. Much better. But seriously. I mean, a lot of NA pro players do virtually nothing else but practice and compete for MLG's open bracket. Not with any success but still. It's kind of sad that the only thing they do is shut down. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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SniXSniPe
United States1938 Posts
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
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thirtyapm
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Scalepad
Sweden366 Posts
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Azurues
Malaysia5612 Posts
i'll be damned if that happen | ||
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
On January 23 2013 17:26 SniXSniPe wrote: Anyone else worried MLG Dallas will be just a bunch of KeSPA pros with a few NA/European pros (minus NA players like sasquatch, binski, goswser, etc.) trinkled in, with 90% of the pro-gamers (mostly KeSPA) having little practice time for HotS? Flash said in his interview he'll be at MLG... and he said he hasn't played HotS and doesn't have any time to... So yes, MLG Dallas will be a bunch of KeSPA players that have never touched the HotS beta and will most likely have less than 12 hours of practice. | ||
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Swwww
Switzerland812 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:15 Broodwurst wrote: Qualifiers in whatever format? If this means MLG will finally again be able to stream all games I like this. If it means they stream more games that is good because at the moment the number of games streamed is relatively poor. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On January 23 2013 20:37 Targe wrote: If it means they stream more games that is good because at the moment the number of games streamed is relatively poor. You know there are 4 streams live simultaneously? MLG broadcasts a shitton of games. I can't think of a tournament that streams more games. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On January 23 2013 20:41 Mandalor wrote: You know there are 4 streams live simultaneously? MLG broadcasts a shitton of games. I can't think of a tournament that streams more games. I know, there are lots of games but there are times when some of the streams were just shots of the crowd whilst there were games going on, hopefully they could remove that even if there isn't casting. Not that I'm complaining about MLG quality, it's excellent, but always strive to improve huh? | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On January 23 2013 20:44 Targe wrote: I know, there are lots of games but there are times when some of the streams were just shots of the crowd whilst there were games going on, hopefully they could remove that even if there isn't casting. Not that I'm complaining about MLG quality, it's excellent, but always strive to improve huh? The 2 main streams showing the same game, the 3rd showing empty seats and the 4th with a "new match soon, stay tunned" message. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
About HotS: At least dont give points for the winner of the first MLG, or we gonna see bad players staying in groups way too easy. (Anybody remember Incontrol staying in groups a long time cause of a 4th place, dont really makes the tournament better) Edit: But we all should wait and see i guess. | ||
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
I loved the OB storylines better than the championship storylines sometimes...Hope what's coming is still giving a chance to new players to show what they can do! | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
. But I guess i'll wait and see what they have in store. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On January 23 2013 22:04 AxionSteel wrote: i loved following the open bracket and seeing people make heroic runs . But I guess i'll wait and see what they have in store.To be fair, most players (with a few exceptions) that went through the open bracket were well-established good players. It's a big pain in the ass to organize and it's hell for players only to get a fairly predictable outcome. It can be fun sure but I can understand why MLG wants something different. I just hope it doesn't screw the up and coming players (or just good players that want to participate in individual MLG's) too much. I'll reserve judgement until I see what they got planned. | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:16 TheDougler wrote: Desrow leaked this earlier. I agree it's a bad move, but as long as they have a pretty large bracket and several qualifiers it might not be the end of the world. Ah TL.. Where people immediately jump to conclusions and start nay-saying without knowing the entire story yet. | ||
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trada
Germany347 Posts
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emsy1984
Slovakia28 Posts
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onedayclose
United States1145 Posts
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fireforce7
United States334 Posts
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mythSnow
United States1 Post
As a poor east cost college student i can only afford 1 trip a year and not a far one at that gonna miss mlg columbus. | ||
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StreetWise
United States594 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
I know it's a pain in the ass to set up 128 gaming computers at every event, setting up routers, switches, wiring, making sure there's no lag and everyone has a working internet connection, but there was something special about MLG, being the only tournament where you would be able to play live against a pro sitting right next to you for just $70. They need to have something really good to replace this (online qualifiers are not it, btw!) | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On January 24 2013 03:14 onedayclose wrote: Perhaps MLG has an ONLINE open tournament planned prior to the event. Similar to NASL. Probably, but it has always been a lot more boring than the live open bracket. Sadly MLG hasn't really been able to utilize the open bracket much, since they somehow never get anyone to spectate cool open bracket games. Hopefully something cool is going to replace it and not online open qualifier | ||
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iKill
Denmark861 Posts
On January 23 2013 20:44 Targe wrote: I know, there are lots of games but there are times when some of the streams were just shots of the crowd whilst there were games going on, hopefully they could remove that even if there isn't casting. Not that I'm complaining about MLG quality, it's excellent, but always strive to improve huh? You can't just "show games even if there isn't casting". You need an observer unless you want to broadcast an FPVOD which is nearly unwatchable in the case of most toptier pros. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
Seems like at least players already know what the new format will be like. Maybe someone can leak it to Slasher or something. | ||
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acgFork
Canada397 Posts
On January 23 2013 08:18 LuckyFool wrote: and right now I'm pretty glad I quit sc2 after the last MLG of 2012 ha. no more being able to be bad and go to MLG's like me of 2012 LOL :D You don't even know how hard I want to punch you in the penis right now, tit-licker. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On January 24 2013 08:39 acgFork wrote: You don't even know how hard I want to punch you in the penis right now, tit-licker. User was temp banned for this post. lmao! Classic! | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
I declined my invitation to the MLG 2013 winter season. I am retired for now. NA invites confirmed (along with sad news) | ||
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zebezt
185 Posts
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On January 24 2013 08:18 iKill wrote: You can't just "show games even if there isn't casting". You need an observer unless you want to broadcast an FPVOD which is nearly unwatchable in the case of most toptier pros. I do believe that an observer following a game being broadcasted is exactly a game without casting is it not? | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On January 23 2013 03:24 Crazypyro1 wrote: Sounds pretty boring to me. I know the open brackets don't usually pull in that much in terms of viewers, compared to only having known pros participate, but it added something to the feel of MLG that I think will be sorely missed without the open bracket. Everyone loves to see the underdog, but MLG has pretty much completely shut out the chances of one of those story lines. One has to wonder what they were thinking, especially because I think story lines are more important now than ever to the growth of e-sports. Judgement: Stupid move, in my opinion. You don't even know what they're planning and you're already judging them. Now THAT is a stupid move. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On January 24 2013 18:55 TAMinator wrote: You don't even know what they're planning and you're already judging them. Now THAT is a stupid move. Considering what players like https://twitter.com/Millgoswser/status/293877481839153152 are tweeting about it, doesn't sound good. Sounds like new comers are going to get screwed over. THAT IS SO MUCH BETTER! | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On January 24 2013 17:53 Hall0wed wrote: People should chillax, Sundance is smarter than announcing no open bracket without having an amazing plan in store. I don't know, it's pretty dumb to announce no open bracket without saying what's replacing it at the same time. Maybe he just likes being raged at, dunno. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 24 2013 19:09 nihlon wrote: I don't know, it's pretty dumb to announce no open bracket without saying what's replacing it at the same time. Maybe he just likes being raged at, dunno. I think Desrow already tweeted this a few days ago, and Sundance only announced this in response to that tweet? | ||
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ZergCacique
United States28 Posts
MLG are fucking up | ||
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llIH
Norway2143 Posts
On January 24 2013 19:09 nihlon wrote: I don't know, it's pretty dumb to announce no open bracket without saying what's replacing it at the same time. Maybe he just likes being raged at, dunno. Agree. It creates chaos and massive question flow. | ||
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stfouri
Finland272 Posts
That must be the only reason the ditched it. People even got disqualified cause they came few minutes late to their OB match if I rememer right? Too tight schedule. I wouldnt worry too much, most likely its gonna be done online prior the event or something along the lines. | ||
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Juice!
Belgium295 Posts
On January 25 2013 00:15 KAB00000000M wrote: Agree. It creates chaos and massive question flow. good or bad .. people are talking about MLG .. That's all he needed and you rolled right into it | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 25 2013 00:26 stfouri wrote: It was alot of hassle to run that bracket in few days and then place them in pool to play against every opponent of that group. That must be the only reason the ditched it. People even got disqualified cause they came few minutes late to their OB match if I rememer right? Too tight schedule. I wouldnt worry too much, most likely its gonna be done online prior the event or something along the lines. The DQ time at MLG for the Open Bracket was half an hour. | ||
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Ethi
Germany275 Posts
Edit: Didn't read the whole thread at first and as it seems exactly my prediction is becoming true :-( Edit2: ESL is handling this so much better with their qualifiers. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Iron_
United States389 Posts
If they eliminate the open bracket (and honestly I don't care what the replacement is), I will not only not attend Dallas and other MLGs, I will not purchase the subscription. I am currently a gold member. I figure I should get this sentiment out there, I am sure there are plenty of others that feel the same way. | ||
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SpurvL
Sweden345 Posts
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chris2423
31 Posts
oh well though, maybe this "something knew" will be better, but im not gonna get my hopes up. you guys remember when sundance was hinting at 7 figure prize pools? i have a feeling this will live up to the hype about as much as that did. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On January 25 2013 00:34 VirgilSC2 wrote: The DQ time at MLG for the Open Bracket was half an hour. When i was at MLG Columbus they were dqing people after 15 minutes in the open bracket. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
Anyway...I don't really mind if they get rid of open brackets, since I find most of the early matches one-sided and uninteresting anyway. I think if you're an unknown player and you want to prove yourself, there are a lot of ways to do that in SC2 right now, and we don't need the most prestigious western tournament to accomodate it. Open qualifiers are always a good thing though. Has anyone guessed yet that they might be switching to a GSL Code S/A type system? Because that's what I think. | ||
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
On January 25 2013 11:14 Cel.erity wrote: Summary of every post in this thread: "I don't know what it is, but I hate it." Anyway...I don't really mind if they get rid of open brackets, since I find most of the early matches one-sided and uninteresting anyway. I think if you're an unknown player and you want to prove yourself, there are a lot of ways to do that in SC2 right now, and we don't need the most prestigious western tournament to accomodate it. Open qualifiers are always a good thing though. Has anyone guessed yet that they might be switching to a GSL Code S/A type system? Because that's what I think. but GSL and stuff had open qualifiers essentially a live open bracket... just GSL code S/A etc are all spread out and not played in one weekend though. and what are your ways to prove yourself? winning lans, winning money, winning stuff falls short, doing well on the ladder, as a competitor nothing matters unless its something huge that people are looking at. Take Scarlett for example, no one but people that have played against her before knew about her. She wins a qualifier and does really well. remove that opportunity, and would anyone know about Scarlett? while we dont know what the format is, The odds of myself competing in a major live event are now pretty much 0 in the US. And I hate online qualifiers, because over my SC2 career ive played notable map hackers in qualifers that have been caught and I lost... Its alot harder to cheat with a ref standing over someones shoulder. Why the open bracket from a qualifier perspective was so nice. | ||
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neggro
United States591 Posts
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Ry2D2
United States429 Posts
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Leeto
United States1320 Posts
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NiteshadeSC2
Canada98 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Summary of every post in this thread: "I don't know what it is, but I hate it." Anyway...I don't really mind if they get rid of open brackets, since I find most of the early matches one-sided and uninteresting anyway. I think if you're an unknown player and you want to prove yourself, there are a lot of ways to do that in SC2 right now, and we don't need the most prestigious western tournament to accomodate it. Open qualifiers are always a good thing though. Has anyone guessed yet that they might be switching to a GSL Code S/A type system? Because that's what I think.[/ I think you may be out of tune to Esports recruitment - any new players coming up, as well as those already signed to none/small/medium budget teams rely on open brackets to help "break out" new players. Players not yet signed and showing promise can use these to bring them to the forefront of Esports, and team recruiting. Additionally, teams can also help use Open brackets to help develop statistics and exposure of their team and their sponsors to help justify continued investment of sponsorship dollars. Niteshade | ||
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kommunalka
United States550 Posts
On January 25 2013 12:10 Leeto wrote: I think we should hold off any judgement until the alternative has been revealed. So many people too quick to bash the decision.. This is pretty much my outlook on the situation.... sitting back and waiting before weighing in. | ||
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
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warmus
United Kingdom196 Posts
This also seems like perhaps the best time to try TV. For one, HotS release is an obvious reason, it is bound to attract more potential viewers than WoL. Second, MLG advertisers (as well as kespa ones) tend to be more commercial than rest of esports. DrPepper or Bic vs kingston and razer. This would imply that these companies could have a greater interest in being on tv. KeSPA ofcourse also helps this cause, could involve international branches / contacts + they like to be on tv . Finally it seems like MLG would have the easiest time breaking into the market, given its contract with CBSi, perhaps some contacts at least.I dont know, but from what i understand format is going to be a part of a bigger announcement. If a tournament believes its gonna able to bring out something "big" and perhaps revolutionary, it seems obvious to ask the question of how they could possibly do that after 2 years of all kinds of tournaments. I think a TV announcement would justify this delay and have the impact we all hope to see. I am posting this mainly for future bragging rights should this actually happen | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On January 26 2013 01:32 warmus wrote: I dont know if anyone considered this as the MLGs big thing, namely something with perhaps actual TV broadcasting?. The logic goes that well if they try so hard to keep this a secret while taking the hit over the open bracket, this "thing" ought to be big. This naturally suggests that its not about the players, as that alone would definitely not AMAZE the community, with plenty of top end competition available for viewing both in Korea and internationally. Same goes about the format- it may turn out exciting, but could it even be possible to create a format that would warrant the hype alone? This also seems like perhaps the best time to try TV. For one, HotS release is an obvious reason, it is bound to attract more potential viewers than WoL. Second, MLG advertisers (as well as kespa ones) tend to be more commercial than rest of esports. DrPepper or Bic vs kingston and razer. This would imply that these companies could have a greater interest in being on tv. KeSPA ofcourse also helps this cause, could involve international branches / contacts + they like to be on tv . Finally it seems like MLG would have the easiest time breaking into the market, given its contract with CBSi, perhaps some contacts at least.I dont know, but from what i understand format is going to be a part of a bigger announcement. If a tournament believes its gonna able to bring out something "big" and perhaps revolutionary, it seems obvious to ask the question of how they could possibly do that after 2 years of all kinds of tournaments. I think a TV announcement would justify this delay and have the impact we all hope to see. I am posting this mainly for future bragging rights should this actually happen I said earlier in this thread that I could think of nothing better that would replace the Open Bracket and that is the reason I am very disappointed. However, I stand corrected, SC2 being on TV would be better. I really, really, hope you are right. On January 25 2013 02:54 Iron_ wrote: The "common man" being able to sign up and play versus the pros, and the high masters guy having a very good day making it a little farther than expected, are why I attend MLG's. I was actually planning on flying to a few of them this year (I live near Dallas, so that is usually a no brainer). If they eliminate the open bracket (and honestly I don't care what the replacement is), I will not only not attend Dallas and other MLGs, I will not purchase the subscription. I am currently a gold member. I figure I should get this sentiment out there, I am sure there are plenty of others that feel the same way. Your not the only one. The idea of being able to sign up and play versus pros is one of the things makes MLG and E-Sports so fun. | ||
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StasisTV
United States92 Posts
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YoungNV
Canada18 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16710 Posts
open qualifiers are a great way to prevent map hacking. However, i've heard many many horror stories from guys who were less than famous" GMs about ridiculous Open Bracket conditions MLG puts them under. A lot of that was due to hundreds and hundreds of games that had to be played. It is a logistical night mare. After reading MLGs press release about the Winter Championships its clear MLG is scaling back the resources committed to Starcraft2. | ||
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DMGXeraxus
United States5 Posts
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Hodgyy
138 Posts
[QUOTE]On January 25 2013 11:14 Cel.erity wrote: + Show Spoiler + Summary of every post in this thread: "I don't know what it is, but I hate it." Anyway...I don't really mind if they get rid of open brackets, since I find most of the early matches one-sided and uninteresting anyway. I think if you're an unknown player and you want to prove yourself, there are a lot of ways to do that in SC2 right now, and we don't need the most prestigious western tournament to accomodate it. Open qualifiers are always a good thing though. Has anyone guessed yet that they might be switching to a GSL Code S/A type system? Because that's what I think.[/ I think you may be out of tune to Esports recruitment - any new players coming up, as well as those already signed to none/small/medium budget teams rely on open brackets to help "break out" new players. Players not yet signed and showing promise can use these to bring them to the forefront of Esports, and team recruiting. Additionally, teams can also help use Open brackets to help develop statistics and exposure of their team and their sponsors to help justify continued investment of sponsorship dollars. Niteshade[/QUOTE] This is my biggest problem, Me and my buddy have basically formed and payed for out of pocket for atleast 3 events now to help get our players and team name out in the community. | ||
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Neo.NEt
United States785 Posts
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KiF1rE
United States964 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396336 so basically MLG is going to be only 2 invite only events, top 4 from last MLG event plus 28 from their showdown match series. | ||
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SkaPunk
United States471 Posts
On February 01 2013 02:10 KiF1rE wrote: Well its officially announced, No open qualifiers no nothing, Now all the people that say we cant hate because we dont know whats replacing the open bracket, Its literally nothing! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396336 so basically MLG is going to be only 2 invite only events, top 4 from last MLG event plus 28 from their showdown match series. Is this it? Is this the only thing replacing the open brackets? Literally nothing?! Yeah, will y'all be go to events if you and/or your friends cant play in it? You're killing the magic of MLG, MLG. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
On February 01 2013 02:10 KiF1rE wrote: Well its officially announced, No open qualifiers no nothing, Now all the people that say we cant hate because we dont know whats replacing the open bracket, Its literally nothing! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=396336 so basically MLG is going to be only 2 invite only events, top 4 from last MLG event plus 28 from their showdown match series. It is just for Dallas, it isn't the entire year there is no Open Bracket. Considering we are going to see 32 great players playing HotS just 2 weeks after release for 75k... sounds pretty good to me. I'll pass on a bunch of garbage open bracket matches with players that have hardly practiced the game against people who played beta abusing strats. No thanks. I'm sure Open qualifiers will be back as they continue on but really.. it makes little sense to do an open bracket this early when what you want to do is let the known players showcase how great HotS is(which I don't know if it is or isn't, but this weekend could go a long way to revitalizing the scene with a big tournament right after the expansion). | ||
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