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On January 22 2013 00:13 NumberFive wrote:
Either that, which seem more and more obvious, either he's a horrible person.
I loved the part when he said "i'm not against a good argument at any time".
Indeed you are a GOD at argumenting: Ignore points made by others, DODGE QUESTIONS like no tomorrow, and somehow convince yourself you're making legit points all while being condescending.
The internet in a nutshell people, where trolls/idiots like him can hide behind their screens, either fabricating themselves a life they don't have or spreading their stupid opinions in all safety without having to fear the consequences.
The internet in a nutshell.
there is no such thing as "dodging questions" in a team liquid thread, i won't take the time to respond to your every sentence. and me being condescending doesn't change anything...
in my last post I highlighted one of your arguments, after that you shouldn't say anything at all. anyways i'm off, this is no longer fun
feel free to kid yourselves on that you defended the majesty of being a lol streamer and that i'm "trolling" lol
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On January 22 2013 00:37 NumberFive wrote:
Day 23:
The troll goes in again, still hasn't understood most of the people he "debated" with are from the EU and all have a job/are studying. Still hasn't understood he isn't debating with progamers but with other people, but that those people are reasonable and not a bunch of spoiled children that are stuck in a box.
Love how he admits people can make "good money off retarded shit" and his core problem was that destiny would not be able to feed his family with streaming in the future. ---> king of debates.
It's becoming painfully obvious you're trolling, you'll have to leave the topic soon.
Called it, thanks for leaving the topic, go troll elsewhere with your "Amazing debating skills".
People on the internet sometimes, I swear.
The good thing is that this works in both cases for this person:
Either he's a troll and he got out because people noticed it.
Either he's not a troll but in his case that makes him an awful individual, and making them feel bad is needed.
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On January 21 2013 21:09 pprrii wrote:
Any statement was given by own3d?
Slasher on twitter, few days ago:
Own3d COO Oleg Kogut has agreed to an interview next week. Zvetan Dragulev is still Own3d's CEO, not Oleg, and will also participate.
I haven't seen any statement yet.
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On January 21 2013 08:29 Innovation wrote:Show nested quote +You believe every job title someone gives himself on an internet forum? Just because he throws around some numbers? I don't find any insights in this post; just expression of greatness. Are you somehow personally offended by this? Did it hurt your feelings? There are facts and then there are opinions. It just happens that in this industry there are hard facts and it seemed like a few needed to be dropped on the uninformed. I have no problem if you feel the need to advocate for your kind.
I don't even know what my kind is, even less what you think it is. You back up facts with "I influence Billions of Dollars, so I have to know" and threatening Own3d with your imaginary powers. If that does not sound like a high horse, I don't know what does.
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Another thing that routinely gets me stumped in this debate is: if he was that concerned solely about money, why not go back to SC2? he would routinely get 10k viewers playing SC2, not that I don’t support the decision to go to League of Legends, (any pro would agree the superior game, lol kidding they both have their own merits and still like watching SC2) but if money was the only issue for him I can’t see the 2.5k viewers with League comparing to his SC2 following,
If we assume half of people use add-blocking still, 5k viewers means every time he runs a commercial he would be getting 5x the CPM.
That being said the desicion to go to League was his choice, and I’m sure he weighed the benefits of it wrt dollar amounts, keeping in the forefront the best interests of his kid and the kids’ mother. If not then there are other issues that play into this situation which none of us can comment on.
However, none of this excuses Own3d from their contractual obligations to pay their players and I’m sad for the industry that things like this happen at such frequency. There were a lot of good points brought up in the ChanmanV interview, not the least of which is the vulnerability of this market as a whole. The fact there are 100 kids who would love to get paid 150 dollars a month to stream games, for every 1 business person trying to grow eSports and make it a legitimate industry makes it so that companies like this are able to continuously make bad financial decisions and still be rewarded for them. Until there is some standard in contract terms and the people signing them educate themselves this problem will not go away completely.
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Na'Vi left Own3d as well.
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On January 22 2013 01:34 Xliest wrote:
Another thing that routinely gets me stumped in this debate is: if he was that concerned solely about money, why not go back to SC2? he would routinely get 10k viewers playing SC2
Actually, no. Destiny is having slightly more viewers now than he had before the switch to LoL.
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On January 22 2013 01:34 Xliest wrote:
Another thing that routinely gets me stumped in this debate is: if he was that concerned solely about money, why not go back to SC2? he would routinely get 10k viewers playing SC2, not that I don’t support the decision to go to League of Legends, (any pro would agree the superior game, lol kidding they both have their own merits and still like watching SC2) but if money was the only issue for him I can’t see the 2.5k viewers with League comparing to his SC2 following,
If we assume half of people use add-blocking still, 5k viewers means every time he runs a commercial he would be getting 5x the CPM.
That being said the desicion to go to League was his choice, and I’m sure he weighed the benefits of it wrt dollar amounts, keeping in the forefront the best interests of his kid and the kids’ mother. If not then there are other issues that play into this situation which none of us can comment on.
However, none of this excuses Own3d from their contractual obligations to pay their players and I’m sad for the industry that things like this happen at such frequency. There were a lot of good points brought up in the ChanmanV interview, not the least of which is the vulnerability of this market as a whole. The fact there are 100 kids who would love to get paid 150 dollars a month to stream games, for every 1 business person trying to grow eSports and make it a legitimate industry makes it so that companies like this are able to continuously make bad financial decisions and still be rewarded for them. Until there is some standard in contract terms and the people signing them educate themselves this problem will not go away completely.
He explained why switching to LoL was better a LOT of times on his stream and there is even a vid about it.
By switching over to LoL now, he loses viewers in the short term, where sc2 would have given him his big audience in the short term, but in the LONG RUN, LoL simply brings in more viewers ( 100K+ on IEM stream or smth ). There is simply a much bigger audience for LoL than sc2 because of how the game IS compared to sc2 ( free, easier, ... )
This is something very important for Destiny, as he relies only on his stream and not on a team salary / tournament results or somthing else.
So he's losing viewers now, but in the long run, he opens himself up to a much bigger audience, and in the end he'll have more viewers.
And to be totally honest "the short term" is kinda over now. This man had 5k viewers yesterday ( went up and down a lot because he raged yesterday for the first time in WEEKS but it stabilised at 5k ) and that's more than he had in sc2 ALREADY, and he's not even featured on popular sites like LoLking or Leagueoflegends.com.
But back to OWN3D now, as destiny himself should not be the topic here.
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Sorry for being slightly in the past, (10k) and thank you for updating me on the stream numbers, i have seen him top out at 3k for the last few months and my point was not about the long term, it was about the now, due to his situation. I have heard him talk about the potential for viewership based on ELO ranking, and while im sure he is good enough to get to the upper teirs of the communitiy and be featured eventually, this was not my intial point.
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On January 22 2013 01:34 Xliest wrote:
Another thing that routinely gets me stumped in this debate is: if he was that concerned solely about money, why not go back to SC2? he would routinely get 10k viewers playing SC2, not that I don’t support the decision to go to League of Legends, (any pro would agree the superior game, lol kidding they both have their own merits and still like watching SC2) but if money was the only issue for him I can’t see the 2.5k viewers with League comparing to his SC2 following,
If we assume half of people use add-blocking still, 5k viewers means every time he runs a commercial he would be getting 5x the CPM.
That being said the desicion to go to League was his choice, and I’m sure he weighed the benefits of it wrt dollar amounts, keeping in the forefront the best interests of his kid and the kids’ mother. If not then there are other issues that play into this situation which none of us can comment on.
However, none of this excuses Own3d from their contractual obligations to pay their players and I’m sad for the industry that things like this happen at such frequency. There were a lot of good points brought up in the ChanmanV interview, not the least of which is the vulnerability of this market as a whole. The fact there are 100 kids who would love to get paid 150 dollars a month to stream games, for every 1 business person trying to grow eSports and make it a legitimate industry makes it so that companies like this are able to continuously make bad financial decisions and still be rewarded for them. Until there is some standard in contract terms and the people signing them educate themselves this problem will not go away completely.
Your wrong. He was actually doing worst when he was stream SC2. He hasnt top 5k in MONTHS! This is not because he switch to LoL, it because the viewers of all SC2 stream drop dramatically over the past 6 months. Dont believe me? Just check all the sc2 stream numbers and this should be obvious. After switching to LoL, he been getting slightly more viewers but now he just average around 1.5-2.5k. Before it was 1-2k when he was streaming sc2.
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On January 22 2013 02:13 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 01:34 Xliest wrote:
Another thing that routinely gets me stumped in this debate is: if he was that concerned solely about money, why not go back to SC2? he would routinely get 10k viewers playing SC2, not that I don’t support the decision to go to League of Legends, (any pro would agree the superior game, lol kidding they both have their own merits and still like watching SC2) but if money was the only issue for him I can’t see the 2.5k viewers with League comparing to his SC2 following,
If we assume half of people use add-blocking still, 5k viewers means every time he runs a commercial he would be getting 5x the CPM.
That being said the desicion to go to League was his choice, and I’m sure he weighed the benefits of it wrt dollar amounts, keeping in the forefront the best interests of his kid and the kids’ mother. If not then there are other issues that play into this situation which none of us can comment on.
However, none of this excuses Own3d from their contractual obligations to pay their players and I’m sad for the industry that things like this happen at such frequency. There were a lot of good points brought up in the ChanmanV interview, not the least of which is the vulnerability of this market as a whole. The fact there are 100 kids who would love to get paid 150 dollars a month to stream games, for every 1 business person trying to grow eSports and make it a legitimate industry makes it so that companies like this are able to continuously make bad financial decisions and still be rewarded for them. Until there is some standard in contract terms and the people signing them educate themselves this problem will not go away completely.
Your wrong. He was actually doing worst when he was stream SC2. He hasnt top 5k in MONTHS! This is not because he switch to LoL, it because the viewers of all SC2 stream drop dramatically over the past 6 months. Dont believe me? Just check all the sc2 stream numbers and this should be obvious. After switching to LoL, he been getting slightly more viewers but now he just average around 1.5-2.5k. Before it was 1-2k when he was streaming sc2.
On a slightly fairer note, keep in mind that there was hardly a single month when the WoL scene was booming where Destiny --DIDN'T-- do something incredibly stupid that would have lost him some fans. (let alone sponsors/teams etc). It's just one blunder to the next, and so on. He certainly lost me after the whole Bluetea vs Destiny "Who can show more naked pics of the other guy" quarrel. A lot of opportunity lost every time.
He's right though, at this point LoL is the best thing he's got going for him. Destiny can be big in LoL the same way he would've been big in SC2: not being a dumbass.
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Since when do people care what destiny think or says? That damn attention-starved kid has exhausted every last bit of his credibility, and then some.
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On January 22 2013 02:40 JackReacher wrote:
Since when do people care what destiny think or says? That damn attention-starved kid has exhausted every last bit of his credibility, and then some.
If you read the thread it's not only Destiny saying it- a bunch of people haven't been payed by own3d.
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On January 22 2013 02:40 JackReacher wrote:
Since when do people care what destiny think or says? That damn attention-starved kid has exhausted every last bit of his credibility, and then some.
At least read the thread, but that's probably asking too much. Some attention starved kids just like to spew out uninformed nonsense I guess.
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On January 22 2013 02:40 JackReacher wrote:
Since when do people care what destiny think or says? That damn attention-starved kid has exhausted every last bit of his credibility, and then some.
Quite ironic of you to say, and I would love to see how he "exhausted" his credibility that you speak of, if you're looking for proof all of it is in the article..that is if you actually read the article but, maybe it's safe to say you didn't because of your strong bias here.
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On January 22 2013 02:40 JackReacher wrote:
Since when do people care what destiny think or says? That damn attention-starved kid has exhausted every last bit of his credibility, and then some.
Looks like this attention-starved kid found a new way to get attention.
A tip for your future endeavors in getting people mad so they give you attention : Read the topic and the replies, and then preach some really constructive hate.
Then people will really be mad at you, because now you can just be dismissed as a childish hater, and that's not what you want right ? 
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On January 22 2013 02:40 JackReacher wrote:
Since when do people care what destiny think or says? That damn attention-starved kid has exhausted every last bit of his credibility, and then some.
lol classic destiny hater. doesn't even read OP. just clicks last page and writes some shit like this.
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When Husky comes out and basically tells it like it is when it comes to esports you know it is trouble.
Everyone should watch the documentary "Frag", you will likely have a very different view on pro gaming. It is a shame because there are alot of hard working people who are taken advantage off by major sponsors who really dont give a rats ass for the most part, few do, majority do not.
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Your kind was referring to the "uninformed". Seemed like that was fairly obvious.
My reference to the fact that I control billions of ad dollars was meant as a reassurance to those streaming that there are people out there, like myself, who have the ability to make a difference in this situation who are supporting them. What do you have against people who are successful or influential? What I said was simply a fact and a show of support to the streamers.
Would you rather I not support the streamers when their contracts are not honored?
On January 22 2013 02:40 JackReacher wrote:
Since when do people care what destiny think or says? That damn attention-starved kid has exhausted every last bit of his credibility, and then some.
Please change your name...The book series and the movie are in fact quite good and having worked hundreds of hours on the film I don't appreciate trolls using it.
Thanks
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On January 22 2013 02:28 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 02:13 SheaR619 wrote:On January 22 2013 01:34 Xliest wrote:
Another thing that routinely gets me stumped in this debate is: if he was that concerned solely about money, why not go back to SC2? he would routinely get 10k viewers playing SC2, not that I don’t support the decision to go to League of Legends, (any pro would agree the superior game, lol kidding they both have their own merits and still like watching SC2) but if money was the only issue for him I can’t see the 2.5k viewers with League comparing to his SC2 following,
If we assume half of people use add-blocking still, 5k viewers means every time he runs a commercial he would be getting 5x the CPM.
That being said the desicion to go to League was his choice, and I’m sure he weighed the benefits of it wrt dollar amounts, keeping in the forefront the best interests of his kid and the kids’ mother. If not then there are other issues that play into this situation which none of us can comment on.
However, none of this excuses Own3d from their contractual obligations to pay their players and I’m sad for the industry that things like this happen at such frequency. There were a lot of good points brought up in the ChanmanV interview, not the least of which is the vulnerability of this market as a whole. The fact there are 100 kids who would love to get paid 150 dollars a month to stream games, for every 1 business person trying to grow eSports and make it a legitimate industry makes it so that companies like this are able to continuously make bad financial decisions and still be rewarded for them. Until there is some standard in contract terms and the people signing them educate themselves this problem will not go away completely.
Your wrong. He was actually doing worst when he was stream SC2. He hasnt top 5k in MONTHS! This is not because he switch to LoL, it because the viewers of all SC2 stream drop dramatically over the past 6 months. Dont believe me? Just check all the sc2 stream numbers and this should be obvious. After switching to LoL, he been getting slightly more viewers but now he just average around 1.5-2.5k. Before it was 1-2k when he was streaming sc2. On a slightly fairer note, keep in mind that there was hardly a single month when the WoL scene was booming where Destiny --DIDN'T-- do something incredibly stupid that would have lost him some fans. (let alone sponsors/teams etc). It's just one blunder to the next, and so on. He certainly lost me after the whole Bluetea vs Destiny "Who can show more naked pics of the other guy" quarrel. A lot of opportunity lost every time. He's right though, at this point LoL is the best thing he's got going for him. Destiny can be big in LoL the same way he would've been big in SC2: not being a dumbass.
Actually, having gone through a hundred hours mostly in pub games on LOL, I will insist on the fact that being a dumbass will actually get him viewers. LoL is the first time where the communauty is the UNIQUE reason I will never launch that game again.
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