English translation - On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision on which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
pretty shocked by this. he was one of the ST players to have the incentive bonus from Red Bull as well. Maybe he is thinking he can cash in with how strong he ended 2012. He seemed so happy on ST though, especially being one of the originals breaking that Kong Curse.
Can he even play in PL if he joined EG or TL? While the player transfer block, if still in place, may only apply to Kespa tams, Kespa might apply it to Kespa league playing teams.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
Jaedong might be more known than PartinG but nowhere near as good.
On January 03 2013 09:10 Hall0wed wrote: Going to wait and see where he goes if this is true, good chance i'll be pissed depending on where he ends up.
Quick, Squirtle, it's time! Take your rightful place!
I don't understand the logic behind it. I don't want to be " this guy", but as the highest price winner of the year, very few team can buy him beside EG. Startale is already one the richest team.
On January 03 2013 09:10 Hall0wed wrote: Going to wait and see where he goes if this is true, good chance i'll be pissed depending on where he ends up.
Quick, Squirtle, it's time! Take your rightful place!
His rightful place is second, so being the second best Protoss on Startale seemed correct to me.
This might just be one of the stupidest decisions regarding team changes if this is true. Especially with how good the staff on Startale seem to be at creating amazing players
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
jaedong isn't a toptier player nor a big name in sc2...
This was surprising, PartinG really seemed satisfied with ST and was a headliner for the team. Probably a foreign team, though I think AZUBU is picking Polt over PartinG.
Just a nitpick, and kind of off topic, but I don't think you can call ST the best team of 2012. I think that has to go to FXO, just look at the GSTL results.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
jaedong isn't a toptier player nor a big name in sc2...
But he said the biggest team change. Jaedong was the biggest team change of the year.....
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
jaedong isn't a toptier player nor a big name in sc2...
But he said the biggest team change. Jaedong was the biggest team change of the year.....
Considering that Jaedong is only being loaned out for one year to EG, it's not even that huge of a team change.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
jaedong isn't a toptier player nor a big name in sc2...
But he said the biggest team change. Jaedong was the biggest team change of the year.....
Considering that Jaedong is only being loaned out for one year to EG, it's not even that huge of a team change.
Fnatic probably, EG, SK, and Liquid are also possible. I actually miss the times when the top foreign top organizations (and Liquid) used to sign non-koreans.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
jaedong isn't a toptier player nor a big name in sc2...
But he said the biggest team change. Jaedong was the biggest team change of the year.....
Considering that Jaedong is only being loaned out for one year to EG, it's not even that huge of a team change.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
jaedong isn't a toptier player nor a big name in sc2...
But he said the biggest team change. Jaedong was the biggest team change of the year.....
Considering that Jaedong is only being loaned out for one year to EG, it's not even that huge of a team change.
he's not being loaned. that report was wrong.
Actually it is only a loan, the report that was wrong was the clause that should team 8 find a sponsor, that Jaedong would return to Team 8.
Is his sponsorship with Redbull a personal sponsor? Or does he only get the bonus money if he is apart of ST? Because if it's a personal sponsor, then he won't go to EG.
On January 03 2013 09:07 masterbreti wrote: I'm suprised, he was making 20k a year with ST, I have no idea why he would switch.
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I can't name a source but someone whom I lived with in the prime house told me. we were talking about contracts about a week or so ago and he told me that Parting makes 20k a year with ST.
Well, I admit I am sadly torn since ST is my favorite team and Parting my favorite Protoss, but best wishes to him. Hope he lands on a good team, hope Ace starts stepping it up. It'll sure be weird saying "ST Protoss" and not meaning Parting and Squirtle, but Squirtle and Ace. Back to the olden times, I guess.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
jaedong isn't a toptier player nor a big name in sc2...
But he said the biggest team change. Jaedong was the biggest team change of the year.....
Considering that Jaedong is only being loaned out for one year to EG, it's not even that huge of a team change.
he's not being loaned. that report was wrong.
Actually it is only a loan, the report that was wrong was the clause that should team 8 find a sponsor, that Jaedong would return to Team 8.
so... EG has a player signed for a year no matter what. Yet its a loan. Sorry, thats not a loan. They "own" Jaedong for the year.
He sums it up for me really. Really hope it's not a foreign team, I rather top Korean pro's stay on Korean teams . Hopefully Azubu picked him up? Or maybe TSL (Dreaming!) I hope it's not EG, like above nothing against them I just don't want them to pick up literally every player that gets good. While I doubt it, its a slight reminder of DRG & Genius perhaps but with Life & Parting.
I really don't see why he would switch to another non-kespa korean team... So either Kespa or Foreign team? Maybe Azubu wants to really expand their SC2 roster
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
jaedong isn't a toptier player nor a big name in sc2...
But he said the biggest team change. Jaedong was the biggest team change of the year.....
Considering that Jaedong is only being loaned out for one year to EG, it's not even that huge of a team change.
he's not being loaned. that report was wrong.
Actually it is only a loan, the report that was wrong was the clause that should team 8 find a sponsor, that Jaedong would return to Team 8.
so... EG has a player signed for a year no matter what. Yet its a loan. Sorry, thats not a loan. They "own" Jaedong for the year.
This kind of situation is called a loan in some other professional sports.
On January 03 2013 09:19 KimJongChill wrote: Wonder why?? Hope this is good news and not the team disbanding or anything.
ST is fine, I guess PartinG just grew too big for his britches and wanted to expand beyond Korea. He will certainly find teams salivating at the opportunity to pick up a top-tier Korean who just came out of some big tournaments, and foreign teams certainly will be dripping with the money he wants *cue PartinG with money picture*
On January 03 2013 09:32 Insoleet wrote: Looking at the sad messages on his twitter, it looks like it's somethings he didnt want to do... Something bad must have happened
If its no joke, he probably wanted a huge increase in salary that ST wasn't willing to pay. Pretty surprising, because ST has a pretty solid mainsponsor with RedBull. But I bet pretty much every team that has the money will offer him a contract. Pretty good when your contract runs out after when you are the most-winning player of the year.
About FXOBoss commenting on 'strange bids' going around in Korea at the moment, makes me nervous somehow.. I mean, it could mean a completely new team with plenty of financial backing since they can afford PartinG-caliber players, but I would be gutted if it turned out to be some kind of scam-grab by western phantasts that writes checks that they can't cash T.T
I guess 10 years of eSports makes you a pessimist like that (If it is indeed not an established organization)
On January 03 2013 09:24 BretZ wrote: Parting jumps to a seperate sponsorship style and ends up more MC-like. Calling it now
only 2 koreans with the marketability and actual skill to do this, makes total sense.
There are some more that could do it (Polt, DongRaeGu, MarineKing), but yeah, one of the few. If this is the case, I would love to be able to see PartinG in team leagues (like MC does with LG-IM).
On January 03 2013 09:07 masterbreti wrote: I'm suprised, he was making 20k a year with ST, I have no idea why he would switch.
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I can't name a source but someone whom I lived with in the prime house told me. we were talking about contracts about a week or so ago and he told me that Parting makes 20k a year with ST.
20k is pennies by Western standards for someone of his caliber.
DRG kills Genius in a GSL final => Genius quits MVP
Life kills Parting in a GSL final => Parting quits Startale
Jokes aside, I guess he'll go to a Kespa team (And Kespa will go 'f*ck it with whatever lock deal they have with esf) That, or he go solo with personal sponsorship like MC and Violet
About FXOBoss commenting on 'strange bids' going around in Korea at the moment, makes me nervous somehow.. I mean, it could mean a completely new team with plenty of financial backing since they can afford PartinG-caliber players, but I would be gutted if it turned out to be some kind of scam-grab by western phantasts that writes checks that they can't cash T.T
I guess 10 years of eSports makes you a pessimist like that (If it is indeed not an established organization)
About FXOBoss commenting on 'strange bids' going around in Korea at the moment, makes me nervous somehow.. I mean, it could mean a completely new team with plenty of financial backing since they can afford PartinG-caliber players, but I would be gutted if it turned out to be some kind of scam-grab by western phantasts that writes checks that they can't cash T.T
I guess 10 years of eSports makes you a pessimist like that (If it is indeed not an established organization)
He wouldn't go to a dodgy team
maybe IM buys him...if you can't beat them collect em...a la EG Style :D
About FXOBoss commenting on 'strange bids' going around in Korea at the moment, makes me nervous somehow.. I mean, it could mean a completely new team with plenty of financial backing since they can afford PartinG-caliber players, but I would be gutted if it turned out to be some kind of scam-grab by western phantasts that writes checks that they can't cash T.T
I guess 10 years of eSports makes you a pessimist like that (If it is indeed not an established organization)
He wouldn't go to a dodgy team
maybe IM buys him...if you can't beat them collect em...a la EG Style :D
IM has no reason to spend that much money to buy Parting, they already have a great team and their Protoss lineup is their strongest. All that would do is create animosity between the ESF teams.
On January 03 2013 09:40 algue wrote: I hope he wont join a foreign team
I hope he does. More Ace players on foreign teams creates more integration and strategy sharing among that entire pro community which can help to close the skill gap between foreigner and korean.
On January 03 2013 09:38 Fionn wrote: can we start the team kill in finals curse?
DRG beats Genius. Genius leaves MVP right after.
Life beats Parting. Parting leaves ST right after.
I think team vs. team GSL finals are turning into loser leave town matches.
3 months is right after? A bit of stretch.
Genius vanished after he lost to DRG. He didn't show up to GSTL games and wasn't seen again for a long time. He might have officially left a month or two later, but he basically abandoned MVP after losing to DRG.
I must admit I'm stunned by this "announcement" and I have no idea where he'll go. The safe bets are EG, Fnatic and AZUBU but why does he look so sad on Twitter if he got a good offer ?
On January 03 2013 09:44 TommyP wrote: I cant believe Parting. If I was sponsored by Red Bull, I wouldnt even ask for a salary, just free drinks.
Free drinks comes standard. Also a free custom mini fridge packed with red bull/sugar free red bull/ red bull shots in your hotel room every time you travel.
On January 03 2013 09:38 Fionn wrote: can we start the team kill in finals curse?
DRG beats Genius. Genius leaves MVP right after.
Life beats Parting. Parting leaves ST right after.
I think team vs. team GSL finals are turning into loser leave town matches.
3 months is right after? A bit of stretch.
Genius vanished after he lost to DRG. He didn't show up to GSTL games and wasn't seen again for a long time. He might have officially left a month or two later, but he basically abandoned MVP after losing to DRG.
The winner of the match gets to push the losers bed to next to theirs so they get a double. The loser gets glued to their computer chair until they can take a game off of the winner again.
Is there any possibility that there could have been some friction with the Startale coaches or something? Obviously Parting isn't Genius and has been practicing and everything, but maybe there have been some other problems. That would be just about the only thing that would make sense...
On January 03 2013 09:48 bduddy wrote: Is there any possibility that there could have been some friction with the Startale coaches or something? Obviously Parting isn't Genius and has been practicing and everything, but maybe there have been some other problems. That would be just about the only thing that would make sense...
Won wants the Won Won won from Won, maybe? No, can't believe that.
Well, noteworthy koreans team-switching to other korean teams sounds good to me, as it means that there is room for competition and market practices other than "be loyal". Still sad to see him go, he was an icon for ST.
This could mean bad things are happening to startale, they already had to drop their lineup, maybe this means that they have to cut costs farther? And Liquid has a new sponsor and fnatic and col have lost some of their bigger names recently, so don't go calling him to eg just yet. Ohhhh yeah and azubu, can't write them out.
The KeSPA trade lock is until October, so in theory that would prevent Parting from going to a KeSPA team. But considering that he's now a free agent, does that still apply?
He obviously got the taste of foreign blood at wcs and wcg and thought, hey this is pretty easy and wanted more, so probably wants to attend more foreign tourneys in 2013.
if it was Liquid, there would be a hint as it is always done. I stick with Azubu-Acer as they both said to be expanding their rosters. KeSPa on the other hand is unpredictable and i dunno if Parting is one of the guys that looks keen on KeSPa style practise routine (unless OSL and PL is Parting's goal now)
On January 03 2013 09:58 bduddy wrote: The KeSPA trade lock is until October, so in theory that would prevent Parting from going to a KeSPA team. But considering that he's now a free agent, does that still apply?
The contract is not public knowledge so we don't know the technical details. Maybe you have to be a free agent for a couple of months first, or maybe ever having been on type of team bars you from the other side. In any case the important thing is the spirit of the agreement. If KeSPA breaks the agreement, then ESF could bitch and respond aggressively, and use this as a justification. I don't really see KeSPA trying for anything like that.
Azubu is probably the most likely. The fact the FXOBoss (or whatever he is called these days) talks about strange bids in Korea leads me to believe that it is probably not just a switch to another Korean ESF team. I just hope it isn't some shady foreign organization that convinced him they would pay him his weight in gold when they get around to it.
Earlier today Parting retweeted dignitas Dream's streaming tweet, so I wouldn't completely discount the idea of dignitas acquiring him. If they want to remain in the SC2 scene they really need to do something soon. Still it is unlikely.
On January 03 2013 09:45 Boucot wrote: I must admit I'm stunned by this "announcement" and I have no idea where he'll go. The safe bets are EG, Fnatic and AZUBU but why does he look so sad on Twitter if he got a good offer ?
For the same reason Huk was sad when he left TL I'd wager. Startale seems like a great team to be on.
Anyway, both the best foreign and korean Protoss of 2012 is currently teamless. I vote they merge to an archon to secure those titles for this year too.
On January 03 2013 09:58 bduddy wrote: The KeSPA trade lock is until October, so in theory that would prevent Parting from going to a KeSPA team. But considering that he's now a free agent, does that still apply?
Won't pretend to understand or know the contract, but it would seem weird if it didn't apply. Otherwise players could easily "leave" teams and join KeSPA teams; it's not as if teams can keep players who don't want to stay anyways.
@ rasnj: Parting discovered Tencent Weibo like a few days ago and has been on a roll tweeting to Dream. (I'd first thought Dream was some random Chinese pro, actually, didn't know he was associated with dignitas.)
He's also been tweeting to some iG pros and said that Edison (the iG manager) was the one who introduced him to Tencent. /grasping at straws
Please not EG, Please not EG.....I don't need any more reason to detest the evil empire than if they buy up the top talent again.
Resist Parting, you must not go to the dark side!
On another note, I bet this guy will be getting a TON of offers. Super-smart of him IMO, put yourself on the market when you are red hot, I just hope we don't see a drop-off in talent like we have so many other players after they signed big contracts.
On January 03 2013 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote: Was the ESF to Kespa and vice versa trade agreement set to expire on Jan 1 or was it 1 year from when it was set?
I just saw that now too. I'm shocked if it's true.
Surely he isn't thinking of joining the foreign team bandwagon...
you would think RedBull would have the money to keep him
Redbull's investment in SC2 is miniscule compared to their involvement in many other sports. It's probably one of, if not the smallest investment they undertake. They have money, just PartinG as an individual probably isnt really on their payroll.
On January 03 2013 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote: Was the ESF to Kespa and vice versa trade agreement set to expire on Jan 1 or was it 1 year from when it was set?
Trade lock until October 2013.
Ok that's what I thought. So idk why people are saying KeSPA teams, then someone should probably update the OP with the transfer lock so we know he's not going there and people stop spamming impossible teams
On January 03 2013 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote: Was the ESF to Kespa and vice versa trade agreement set to expire on Jan 1 or was it 1 year from when it was set?
Trade lock until October 2013.
Ok that's what I thought. So idk why people are saying KeSPA teams, then
Fanboyism, haha. Sometimes it's fun to wonder, I guess.
I wouldn't mind Liquid'Parting and d.Parting. Some names are just too good ... Liquid'Sea was good for the short time he lasted.
On January 03 2013 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote: Was the ESF to Kespa and vice versa trade agreement set to expire on Jan 1 or was it 1 year from when it was set?
Trade lock until October 2013.
Ok that's what I thought. So idk why people are saying KeSPA teams, then
Because when has KeSPA ever cared about silly things like rules?
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
I guess it depends on if you can count that as a loophole to the agreement. if it's true there's a chance we might see an number of ESF players just leaving their teams so they can be picked up by Kespa I would be surprised if there wasn't some clause in the agreement to cover this. either that or kespa just doesnt care and doesnt need to be in agreement with ESF anymore
On January 03 2013 10:16 Shellshock1122 wrote: Was the ESF to Kespa and vice versa trade agreement set to expire on Jan 1 or was it 1 year from when it was set?
Trade lock until October 2013.
Ok that's what I thought. So idk why people are saying KeSPA teams, then someone should probably update the OP with the transfer lock so we know he's not going there and people stop spamming impossible teams
Because that agreement was mostly made so kespa teams don't just poach the (ex)best sc2 players I would assume. Maybe they can work something out if it's partings initiative or whatever. I think it's unlikely, but you can't rule it out 100%.
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
What's the point of the agreement then? It's like promising not to poach players/coaches when they're under contract of an NFL team. Happens anyway, but it's really illegal.
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
Again, and I mentioned this before, but that would be a truly stupid agreement on eSF's part, then. All KeSPA would have to do is make an unofficial offer, have him leave his team, then just buy him up. (This has happened before already, though obviously not with KeSPA teams, with Puma and aLive, so if they didn't proof the contract against this, it's just a dumb move on their part.)
My guess is that maybe he's looking to get his hands on a "foreigner salary" like so many Koreans have been. 2012 has seen quite a few Koreans leave well-established teams to try to hop onto a foreigner team. That's where I expect Parting will be trying to get to.
To speculate... I doubt EG want another Korean in their roster, especially after so many recent pick ups. Liquid doesn't really take "superstars." I think it will most likely be Axiom or Acer. Probably Axiom.
On January 03 2013 09:54 Vertitto wrote: i believe it will be one of : Azubu, Acer or any of KeSPa
What Kespa? There's a trade-lock aggreement, he can't go to a Kespa team.
EGTL is not a KeSPA-affiliated,and hadn't signed on this shit.
I responded to someone who said he might go to a Kespa team, and you're quoting me about him possibly going to EGTL why? Yes, obviously EG or TL could buy him, since they're not Kespa teams, so?
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
What's the point of the agreement then? It's like promising not to poach players/coaches when they're under contract of an NFL team. Happens anyway, but it's really illegal.
I think in business, this kind of things happen sometimes. New company needs the employee to quit his old job first, only then they can sign the contract. But this is usually a huge risk for employee, some people will not be willing to take.
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
There were some former SlayerS players who moved to KeSPA teams right after the dissolution (Dark for an example), so there is no real issue with PartinG moving to a KeSPA team.
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
There were some former SlayerS players who moved to KeSPA teams right after the dissolution (Dark for an example), so there is no real issue with PartinG moving to a KeSPA team.
That may have been different because Slayers actually disbanded. Plus, have any of these players actually played? For all we know they may officially be "coaches" like Boxer is, or something similar...
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
There were some former SlayerS players who moved to KeSPA teams right after the dissolution (Dark for an example), so there is no real issue with PartinG moving to a KeSPA team.
I don't think it's Axiom. If I remember correctly, either Jenna or TB stated they won't be recruiting anyone until they actually have a sponsor. I'd love to see him on TL but he isn't exactly a "fresh talent". I mean sure, it could still happen but I don't think it's as likely. I personally don't want to see him on EG. I don't know why, I just don't want to... I have no clue where he'll go. Maybe a Kespa team, maybe another ESF team, maybe a foreign team, we'll see! PartinG fighting!!!
EDIT: I only just realized how fitting the picture in the first post is... ;;
On January 03 2013 10:28 Fyodor wrote: Well KeSPA's players have adapted to SC2 and are on equal footing right now. The agreements don't really makes sense anymore.
I think a lot of the agreement has less to do with player skill differential and more to do with money. The KeSPA teams are better off than most of the ESF teams money-wise due to strong corporate sponsorships, so the agreement is in place to protect ESF teams from having their players poached by KeSPA teams. We wouldn't want SKT1 or KT going all EG on a poorer team like Prime.
On January 03 2013 10:28 Fyodor wrote: Well KeSPA's players have adapted to SC2 and are on equal footing right now. The agreements don't really makes sense anymore.
I think a lot of the agreement has less to do with player skill differential and more to do with money. The KeSPA teams are better off than most of the ESF teams money-wise due to strong corporate sponsorships, so the agreement is in place to protect ESF teams from having their players poached by KeSPA teams. We wouldn't want SKT1 or KT going all EG on a poorer team like Prime.
Sad to see. He is arguably the best player right now along with Life. I loved seeing him on Startale... he obviously adds a lot to their roster. Oh well... best of luck to Parting.
Sometimes I wonder if this really is the best choice. Sure he may not get a salary, or maybe not a good one... but look at what the team house environment got him. Perhaps he can find an equally good training house with a better salary, but that doesn't seem too likely.
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
There were some former SlayerS players who moved to KeSPA teams right after the dissolution (Dark for an example), so there is no real issue with PartinG moving to a KeSPA team.
Hm, you're right, but it's possible that SlayerS's situation allowed the "transfer." (And yes, SlayerS was included in the trade-lock despite not being eSF.)
Also:
This agreement prohibits KeSPA-affiliated teams to acquire players from eSports Federation (including SlayerS) until October 2013. Players affected by this agreement will be 25 players per each team's roster, and the Federation will periodically report 25 players in their roster to KeSPA. As per agreement, transfers will be possible regardless of the roster after October of next year.
Any GSL players not included in the 25-player roster from the Federation as well as players qualified in the KeSPA-hosted amateur tournament (formerly known as the Courage Match) will be able to join KeSPA teams during its draft period.
I mean, it's possible that some of the SlayerS players weren't on the roster SlayerS reported. Dark's first reported game was in August, so it's not unlikely that he was a new pickup at the time.
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
There were some former SlayerS players who moved to KeSPA teams right after the dissolution (Dark for an example), so there is no real issue with PartinG moving to a KeSPA team.
That may have been different because Slayers actually disbanded. Plus, have any of these players actually played? For all we know they may officially be "coaches" like Boxer is, or something similar...
Slayers was never part of ESF, and the team had disbanded anyway, so it's a completely different situation.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
On January 03 2013 10:39 Torrathyr wrote: Why. I can't think of any reason why he would leave the strongest team in the world... I can't wait to hear more.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Holy shiet, where does he go from here? With his skill and fanbase, the only teams with the money for him are probably IM or EG. And since EG just brought on Revival and Jaedong they probably won't be interested in another newbie.
Wait.
Ax.PartinG. And Ax.Polt. I know Christmas has passed, but please.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Surprised... But I guess it's that time of the year again.
Wonder where he will go. There's not many teams that come to mind that could be a better prestige deal than StarTale (unless it's solely about the money). Proleague seems to be appealing (especially since PartinG bemoaned his "dishwasher" status in BW times). But KeSPA teams ought to be off the table because of the no-trade agreement. EG just invested in both Jaedong and Revival as well as a new team house with manager and coach. And in terms of demeanor and accomplishment you wouldn't immediately think of Liquid. Hm... I guess we'll have to see what team will be the lucky one.
On January 03 2013 10:39 Torrathyr wrote: Why. I can't think of any reason why he would leave the strongest team in the world... I can't wait to hear more.
On January 03 2013 10:39 Torrathyr wrote: Why. I can't think of any reason why he would leave the strongest team in the world... I can't wait to hear more.
money
Not sure if its actually that. He seemed really sad to leave Startale.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Wow this is pretty crazy, players don't really leave Startale. Only chance is that the money is insanly good and/or he wants to play pro league. Both these things makes EG the obvious move for Parting.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Liquid, please, please, really please, I beg you, pick him up. Liquid needs more players, and by that I mean good players. Liquid should recruit Parting and Polt, would be epic.
On January 03 2013 09:54 Vertitto wrote: i believe it will be one of : Azubu, Acer or any of KeSPa
What Kespa? There's a trade-lock aggreement, he can't go to a Kespa team.
This is a tricky scenario. If he left on his own accord and is team less with no contract, technically he's not part of the ESF anymore. So, it's anyone's guess!
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Parting still has much to accomplish if he wants to be on Jaedongs level. Probably will never do it, but we will see.
This is SC2; not BW. Don't mix them up.
But now the scene is unite, and all the fanbases and stuff transitioned along the respective players - and JD has way more class
We're talking players, not just fanbase. Yes, Jaedong has a lot of fangirls, but he's miles away from Parting's SC2 level. It might change with him adapting for the game, but for now, it's just a fact : Jaedong accomplished nothing in SC2 yet.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Parting still has much to accomplish if he wants to be on Jaedongs level. Probably will never do it, but we will see.
This is SC2; not BW. Don't mix them up.
But now the scene is unite, and all the fanbases and stuff transitioned along the respective players - and JD has way more class
We're talking players, not just fanbase. Yes, Jaedong has a lot of fangirls, but he's miles away from Parting's SC2 level. It might change with him adapting for the game, but for now, it's just a fact : Jaedong accomplished nothing in SC2 yet.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Parting still has much to accomplish if he wants to be on Jaedongs level. Probably will never do it, but we will see.
This is SC2; not BW. Don't mix them up.
But now the scene is unite, and all the fanbases and stuff transitioned along the respective players - and JD has way more class
We're talking players, not just fanbase. Yes, Jaedong has a lot of fangirls, but he's miles away from Parting's SC2 level. It might change with him adapting for the game, but for now, it's just a fact : Jaedong accomplished nothing in SC2 yet.
Wait WHAT!? I gotta admit, this caught me completely off guard. No idea why he left, or where he's going now. Just like everyone else, I guess. I don't think anyone saw this coming.
On January 03 2013 10:39 Torrathyr wrote: Why. I can't think of any reason why he would leave the strongest team in the world... I can't wait to hear more.
money
Not sure if its actually that. He seemed really sad to leave Startale.
On January 03 2013 10:53 Sxis wrote: Liquid, please, please, really please, I beg you, pick him up. Liquid needs more players, and by that I mean good players. Liquid should recruit Parting and Polt, would be epic.
I am liquid fanboy just as much as you are, but don't get your hopes up and keep thinking realistically.
Polt and Parting(him especially) are extremely hot players and I am going to claim Liquid pays their players accordingly to what they are worth. Even with the new Sponsor Barracuda it isn't likely they have the ressources yet to make such big investments, even more so now they have to build up the Dota2 team, so people get to know them.
I can totally see Liquid picking up another player in the early part of 2013, but idk if it will be a well accomplished player like Parting.
But for what it's worth I hope I am talking shit and all that is going to happen. Would certainly awesome!
On January 03 2013 10:52 Krogan wrote: Wow this is pretty crazy, players don't really leave Startale. Only chance is that the money is insanly good and/or he wants to play pro league. Both these things makes EG the obvious move for Parting.
Yeah, there are two teams I usually don't see top players leaving (except when they retire or move onto the military), and those are ST and IM. I think that's why I'm doubly surprised. I kind of always take it for granted that ST will keep their heavy hitters.
On January 03 2013 10:39 Torrathyr wrote: Why. I can't think of any reason why he would leave the strongest team in the world... I can't wait to hear more.
money
Not sure if its actually that. He seemed really sad to leave Startale.
Because he said T_T on twitter? Come on...
It's easy to imagine
Parting: Hey, startale, old contract expiring, time for new contracts. Startale: Hmm.. Ok... Parting: I won a lot of stuff, I want a bigger salary Startale: Nope Parting: TT
I don't believe he will join Liquid, unlike EG Liquid seems to prefer too be able too build players not just take whosoever is the best of the best at the time (and there's nothing wrong with doing that. Like in the documentary Victor said that they wouldn't choose a player like Jaedong cause he has a name bigger than Liquid itself. It just wouldn't fit the Liquid style
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
There were some former SlayerS players who moved to KeSPA teams right after the dissolution (Dark for an example), so there is no real issue with PartinG moving to a KeSPA team.
That may have been different because Slayers actually disbanded. Plus, have any of these players actually played? For all we know they may officially be "coaches" like Boxer is, or something similar...
Slayers wasn't part of ESF either, so lol, it doesn't apply for Parting. He'll have to wait until October or do some proxy foreign team shenanigans to join a Kespa team.
SK adds another toss on? seems like a risky time to acquire a big hitter because HoTS is goign to throw all this back up into the air. PartinG should remain a top toss for a lot longer but I would be leery as a foreign team.
On January 03 2013 11:10 Aeronaux wrote: I don't believe he will join Liquid, unlike EG Liquid seems to prefer too be able too build players not just take whosoever is the best of the best at the time (and there's nothing wrong with doing that. Like in the documentary Victor said that they wouldn't choose a player like Jaedong cause he has a name bigger than Liquid itself. It just wouldn't fit the Liquid style
That's just because liquid got less money, EG has the luxury to waste, they are like Knicks.
Even EG doesn't have infinite money...either foreign teams are going to start to have very high turnover rates or there will be a lot of teamless Koreans if they keep hoping to join them (if that's indeed why Parting left ST)...
I actually thinks its Azubu. I don't think Parting would leave Startale for another reason than money. So he goes to a foreign team. EG already has tons of acquisitions, Liquid isn't the team to sign a star player. Azubu has money.
in the korean interview above, he says 팀을 떠나는 것을 결정한 원이삭은 “스타테일도 좋은 팀이지만 한 살이라도 어릴 때 더 많은 경혐을 해보고 싶어 이 같은 결정을 내리게 됐다”며 팀을 떠나는 이유를 밝혔고 “그 동안 신경 써 주신 스타테일의 감독님들께 감사 드린다”고 말하기도 했다.
which translate to somewhere around "startale is a good team, but I would like to experience new things while I am a year younger"
Even if Liquid had the money they seem too like to mold great players they can be proud of, if they were too sign PartinG it wouldn't feel like his success was a creation of Liquid. I really hope Victor doesn't part from this style of managing the team for a publicity stunt or just too have a great famous player on the team.
I'm interested to see if this gives us any new information.
Google Translate suggests there's little new info. His departure from ST was amicable, he decided to leave after his recent wins, he has not chosen a team yet?
i did NOT see that coming, but as one of the big 3 from last year (he won more then 100k) he wants perhaps better sallery now and the non kespa teams ... well they have not that money (wondering thought ST have alot from red bull)
EG could need a super high tier protoss but i think they cant afford him after so many kors already, he WONT be cheap at all
I'm interested to see if this gives us any new information.
Google Translate suggests there's little new info. His departure from ST was amicable, he decided to leave after his recent wins, he has not chosen a team yet?
Given parting's recent success and the amount of sponsors startale has it must be one hell of a team to pull him away from whatever startale had to offer him, then again life is probably taking quite the chunk maybe he wants more.
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
I'm interested to see if this gives us any new information.
Google Translate suggests there's little new info. His departure from ST was amicable, he decided to leave after his recent wins, he has not chosen a team yet?
Given parting's recent success and the amount of sponsors startale has it must be one hell of a team to pull him away from whatever startale had to offer him, then again life is probably taking quite the chunk maybe he wants more.
I really doubt Life was making a lot in salary for this year, but with his success at the end of the year and now contracts being made for 2013 It's possible that Startale decided to allocate the majority of their resources to Life's pay. PartinG maybe felt it was unfair and wanted to look elsewhere, PartinG did win stuff but life won two GSL's, which is more important to Startale.
Also possible that's totally wrong and PartinG just wanted to leave for a rich foreign team regardless, I have to wonder how hard Startale tried to keep him.
This seems to be the same thing we will/have seen from a lot of ESF players, they just want to be on a decent salary and travel to foreign events. ESF teams will start to struggle more and more imo with Kespa/more foreign teams entering Korea unless they can market themselves a lot better than they are atm.
Good luck to Parting I'm sure he will get picked up quickly.
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
I agree with all those players, but i am afraid you forgot Naniwa!
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
A fair point Fionn, I even with recent showings I think that a strong Protoss outweighs a Zerg like Snute (I like Snute well enough, but you know imo and the like), Snute is in an interesting group as far as foreign Zerg go these days.
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
I agree with all those players, but i am afraid you forgot Naniwa!
Nani seems to be doing well with the a la AZUBU individual sponsorship from Mionix. Not sure he qualifies as looking for a new team
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
IMO you left out Golden. Golden isn't a very accomplished player, yes. But anyone who saw him in the ffa at NASL and can think a few steps further should know that he is a very entertaining guy. A good team could surely market him extremely good!
I think TheStC is worth more than Supernova due to it's reputation of always being smiling. I know this sounds arbitrary, but at least to me it feels like a valuable thing. He seems super nice!
On January 03 2013 11:33 Laryleprakon wrote: This seems to be the same thing we will/have seen from a lot of ESF players, they just want to be on a decent salary and travel to foreign events. ESF teams will start to struggle more and more imo with Kespa/more foreign teams entering Korea unless they can market themselves a lot better than they are atm.
Good luck to Parting I'm sure he will get picked up quickly.
ESF teams don't have a strict contract for their players, most of them may not even have contracts. They can't control their players, players will do whatever they want, in the long run, sponsors will never become owner if they can't control players.
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
I agree with all those players, but i am afraid you forgot Naniwa!
Nani seems to be doing well with the a la AZUBU individual sponsorship from Mionix. Not sure he qualifies as looking for a new team
Pretty sure that's over or coming to a close. Lol if you think he hasn't been looking for a team.
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
I agree with all those players, but i am afraid you forgot Naniwa!
Nani seems to be doing well with the a la AZUBU individual sponsorship from Mionix. Not sure he qualifies as looking for a new team
He does, he said it many times that it is only temporary partnership that fits him well, but he is still looking for a new team. He said on his stream that he would like to join liquid - That wont happen i am afraid though
On the January 3rd, through StarTale's press release, Won Lee Sak (PartinG) has left to find a new team. In last year's second half, PartinG won BWC (Battlenet World Championship) and WCG (World Cyber Games) side by side, dominating strongly with his skills. Early morning on the 3rd, Coach Won decided upon the future of PartinG, respecting his will and amicably split.
On the 3rd, Coach Won said, "I am grateful for the time and effort PartinG gave to the team, and where ever he goes, he finds success"
PartinG, who decide to leave, said, "StarTale is a great team, but I wanted to experience more since last year. For the time I was on ST, I am thankful for the coach".
PartinG's future has not been fully determined yet, and has said he will find a team quickly.
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
I agree with all those players, but i am afraid you forgot Naniwa!
Nani seems to be doing well with the a la AZUBU individual sponsorship from Mionix. Not sure he qualifies as looking for a new team
He does, he said it many times that it is only temporary partnership that fits him well, but he is still looking for a new team. He said on his stream that he would like to join liquid - That wont happen i am afraid though
Pretty sure that's over or coming to a close. Lol if you think he hasn't been looking for a team.
I am sure he has been, personally I think Mionix style sponsors fit him better than most, but it certainly would be unreasonable to say that was his only option given how good he is. I definitely wouldn't mind seeing him on a KeSPA team like MajOr if things settled correctly, I would really like for Nani to overcome his reputation as a team jumper. He will stay on a team, but historically has proven relatively difficult to manage. I am sure this is a consideration for any team looking at him.
Surprised that he is leaving ST since it was such a good fit for him and the great practice partners that were available on that team is huge. Wonder where he will end up and what made him decide to leave.
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
I agree with all those players, but i am afraid you forgot Naniwa!
Naniwa doesn't have half the marketability of polt and parting. I can't even name a tournament I have seen him play in the last six months, except for IPL where we had the shitstorm about someone stealing his mouse.
On January 03 2013 11:33 Laryleprakon wrote: This seems to be the same thing we will/have seen from a lot of ESF players, they just want to be on a decent salary and travel to foreign events. ESF teams will start to struggle more and more imo with Kespa/more foreign teams entering Korea unless they can market themselves a lot better than they are atm.
Good luck to Parting I'm sure he will get picked up quickly.
of all the esf teams though, Startale had the most stable sponsorships, with some of their players even having personal sponsorships from redbull. if Startale can't retain their star players, then the problems for the esf teams are more serious than most of us had any idea.
On January 03 2013 11:42 winthrop wrote: EG PartinG FXO PartinG
I didn't even think FXO Parting. Would be an amazing pickup for FXO to be sure, but from what I've seen FXO KR haven't really actively searched out experienced progamers for their team.
I wonder if Boss is lurking around, since I'd like to know if acquisition is something they're interested in?
Saw this on reddit and was like wut. Really hoping he doesn't join EG. I don't have anything against EG but he is far better off in a Korean team. Kinda doubt he is going to a Korean team though. Most koreans who leave their teams don't seem to join another Korean team.
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
There were some former SlayerS players who moved to KeSPA teams right after the dissolution (Dark for an example), so there is no real issue with PartinG moving to a KeSPA team.
On January 03 2013 11:23 ThomasjServo wrote: Well if that doesn't sum up the most valuable free agent on the market.
I'd say him and Polt are about even. If we're talking foreign teams, Polt is probably still #1.
He knows English, how to run a stream, and is going to America to solely focus on foreign tournaments and learn English. Parting is mega popular and a great personality, but he doesn't know English. Polt is already the best Korean at English and will probably be able to become an English caster by the end of his year.
This is solely from a foreign team standpoint. If you're just looking for results in 2013 at the highest level, you obviously take Parting then Polt and then the rest.
I agree with all those players, but i am afraid you forgot Naniwa!
Naniwa doesn't have half the marketability of polt and parting. I can't even name a tournament I have seen him play in the last six months, except for IPL where we had the shitstorm about someone stealing his mouse.
On January 03 2013 11:33 Laryleprakon wrote: This seems to be the same thing we will/have seen from a lot of ESF players, they just want to be on a decent salary and travel to foreign events. ESF teams will start to struggle more and more imo with Kespa/more foreign teams entering Korea unless they can market themselves a lot better than they are atm.
Good luck to Parting I'm sure he will get picked up quickly.
of all the esf teams though, Startale had the most stable sponsorships, with some of their players even having personal sponsorships from redbull. if Startale can't retain their star players, then the problems for the esf teams are more serious than most of us had any idea.
Naniwa is still one of the most popular foreigners and still will be in the upcoming year. Just look at how many people watch his stream... So saying he doesnt have the marketibility is a little too much. Agree that parting and polt are higher, but supernova and stc are nonames compared to naniwa in the foreign world.
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
There were some former SlayerS players who moved to KeSPA teams right after the dissolution (Dark for an example), so there is no real issue with PartinG moving to a KeSPA team.
Slayers was never part of that deal
SlayerS is not eSF, but they were actually part of the deal and included in it. However, it's possible that SlayerS was a special case (due to the team disbanding) or Dark was not on the 25-player roster that SlayerS submitted to KeSPA as a "no touch" list.
Someone should def. pick TheStC up though ... come on, he's like one of the few Koreans who isn't going to go to the military. Worthy investment, imo. (Hell, ST could use some more Terrans...) :D?
“스타테일도 좋은 팀이지만 한 살이라도 어릴 때 더 많은 경혐을 해보고 싶어 이 같은 결정을 내리게 됐다”
translates to: "ST is a good team but I want to experience a lot more when i'm even just 1 year younger, so i made this decision
And i'm not sure if that's just a PR statement, and the real reason was money or something, but if you take it at it's surface value it definitely sounds like he's at least considering foreign teams.
On January 03 2013 10:19 Fionn wrote: Seeing as he left ST, doesn't that make him not part of the ESF anymore? He can just sign with a KeSPA team if he wants.
There were some former SlayerS players who moved to KeSPA teams right after the dissolution (Dark for an example), so there is no real issue with PartinG moving to a KeSPA team.
Slayers was never part of that deal
SlayerS is not eSF, but they were actually part of the deal and included in it. However, it's possible that SlayerS was a special case (due to the team disbanding) or Dark was not on the 25-player roster that SlayerS submitted to KeSPA as a "no touch" list.
Someone should def. pick TheStC up though ... come on, he's like one of the few Koreans who isn't going to go to the military. Worthy investment, imo. (Hell, ST could use some more Terrans...) :D?
Plus StC has the QuanticST connection, so he probably is good friends with some ST players.
On the January 3rd, through StarTale's press release, Won Lee Sak (PartinG) has left to find a new team. In last year's second half, PartinG won BWC (Battlenet World Championship) and WCG (World Cyber Games) side by side, dominating strongly with his skills. Early morning on the 3rd, Coach Won decided upon the future of PartinG, respecting his will and amicably split.
On the 3rd, Coach Won said, "I am grateful for the time and effort PartinG gave to the team, and where ever he goes, he finds success"
PartinG, who decide to leave, said, "StarTale is a great team, and I've been on the team for one year, but I want to experience more. For the time I was on ST, I am thankful for the coach". PartinG's future has not been fully determined yet, and has said he will find a team quickly.
Yeah, I'm sure he left ST without finding a new team, didn't get offers or anything, just decided to leave. :p
why parting whyyy Cant imagine him being outside of startale. ALso he was doing so well after starting to live in the team house :/ hope he doesnt fall off after joining a different team. Time for squirtle and bomber to step up their game!
On the January 3rd, through StarTale's press release, Won Lee Sak (PartinG) has left to find a new team. In last year's second half, PartinG won BWC (Battlenet World Championship) and WCG (World Cyber Games) side by side, dominating strongly with his skills. Early morning on the 3rd, Coach Won decided upon the future of PartinG, respecting his will and amicably split.
On the 3rd, Coach Won said, "I am grateful for the time and effort PartinG gave to the team, and where ever he goes, he finds success"
PartinG, who decide to leave, said, "StarTale is a great team, and I've been on the team for one year, but I want to experience more. For the time I was on ST, I am thankful for the coach". PartinG's future has not been fully determined yet, and has said he will find a team quickly.
Yeah, I'm sure he left ST without finding a new team, didn't get offers or anything, just decided to leave. :p
Just like how Polt left TSL and then only _____ later he found a team!
I think progamers typically respect their teams enough to not go hunting whilst still using their services. Unless they've been bought, which is super rare.
On the January 3rd, through StarTale's press release, Won Lee Sak (PartinG) has left to find a new team. In last year's second half, PartinG won BWC (Battlenet World Championship) and WCG (World Cyber Games) side by side, dominating strongly with his skills. Early morning on the 3rd, Coach Won decided upon the future of PartinG, respecting his will and amicably split.
On the 3rd, Coach Won said, "I am grateful for the time and effort PartinG gave to the team, and where ever he goes, he finds success"
PartinG, who decide to leave, said, "StarTale is a great team, and I've been on the team for one year, but I want to experience more. For the time I was on ST, I am thankful for the coach". PartinG's future has not been fully determined yet, and has said he will find a team quickly.
Yeah, I'm sure he left ST without finding a new team, didn't get offers or anything, just decided to leave. :p
Just like how Polt left TSL and then only _____ later he found a team!
I think progamers typically respect their teams enough to not go hunting whilst still using their services. Unless they've been bought, which is super rare.
See the difference between PartinG + Polt leaving their teams, to say, PuMa. PartinG and Polt told their team and coaches prior to their leaving, and left with no hard feeling and only good thoughts. PuMa gave no warning, and simply left the team, putting money over team respect, which is why it offended a lot of people, usually Koreans because it went against the respect a player should have for their coach.
On January 03 2013 11:43 IMHope wrote: Surprised that he is leaving ST since it was such a good fit for him and the great practice partners that were available on that team is huge. Wonder where he will end up and what made him decide to leave.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that StarTale did not permit its players to practice with each other. The only times they were allowed to play each other was if they happened to get matched on ladder like anyone else.
I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
On the January 3rd, through StarTale's press release, Won Lee Sak (PartinG) has left to find a new team. In last year's second half, PartinG won BWC (Battlenet World Championship) and WCG (World Cyber Games) side by side, dominating strongly with his skills. Early morning on the 3rd, Coach Won decided upon the future of PartinG, respecting his will and amicably split.
On the 3rd, Coach Won said, "I am grateful for the time and effort PartinG gave to the team, and where ever he goes, he finds success"
PartinG, who decide to leave, said, "StarTale is a great team, and I've been on the team for one year, but I want to experience more. For the time I was on ST, I am thankful for the coach". PartinG's future has not been fully determined yet, and has said he will find a team quickly.
Yeah, I'm sure he left ST without finding a new team, didn't get offers or anything, just decided to leave. :p
Just like how Polt left TSL and then only _____ later he found a team!
I think progamers typically respect their teams enough to not go hunting whilst still using their services. Unless they've been bought, which is super rare.
See the difference between PartinG + Polt leaving their teams, to say, PuMa. PartinG and Polt told their team and coaches prior to their leaving, and left with no hard feeling and only good thoughts. PuMa gave no warning, and simply left the team with no warning, which is why it offended a lot of people, usually Koreans because it went against the respect a player should have for their coach.
furthermore PuMa left right after winning nasl if I recall correctly. That is like becoming something finally valuable and leaving for another team from the team that invested in you to become who you are. Parting and Polt both stuck around for a good time now.
We're going to have some pretty exciting news in the upcoming weeks. Polt and PartinG I imagine will join teams pretty soon, and Naniwa said in his fanclub he'd have a new team in 2-3 weeks.
Lots of cool stuff going on. Between these free agents and hopefully getting to see MajOr with Team 8, lots of new story lines for 2013.
On January 03 2013 11:43 IMHope wrote: Surprised that he is leaving ST since it was such a good fit for him and the great practice partners that were available on that team is huge. Wonder where he will end up and what made him decide to leave.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that StarTale did not permit its players to practice with each other. The only times they were allowed to play each other was if they happened to get matched on ladder like anyone else.
What ... they're like any other team. They definitely practice within the team. Just look at every ST interview and see who they thank. Otherwise you lose one of the biggest advantages of being on a team in the first place.
You may be mixed up about the practice ban. ST and the other eSF teams did not practice with SlayerS players for a few months.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
they have a team house in korea
he probably left because of money issues. He was the most succesful player last year and salaried code B calibre players were making more than him.
On January 03 2013 11:43 IMHope wrote: Surprised that he is leaving ST since it was such a good fit for him and the great practice partners that were available on that team is huge. Wonder where he will end up and what made him decide to leave.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that StarTale did not permit its players to practice with each other. The only times they were allowed to play each other was if they happened to get matched on ladder like anyone else.
What ... they're like any other team. They definitely practice within the team. Just look at every ST interview and see who they thank. Otherwise you lose one of the biggest advantages of being on a team in the first place.
You may be mixed up about the practice ban. ST and the other eSF teams did not practice with SlayerS players for a few months.
Yup, when Naniwa was part of the team via the Quantic merger he apparently practiced with Bomber for GSL until Bomber was too tired to play anymore.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
they have a team house in korea
he probably left because of money issues. He was the most succesful player last year and salaried code B calibre players were making more than him.
Not many though, he was getting a special salary from the Red Bull sponsorship, or at least that's what was released when Red Bull announced their StarTale sponsorship.
I'm not convinced this is a money issue. I'd guess something else happened.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
they have a team house in korea
he probably left because of money issues. He was the most succesful player last year and salaried code B calibre players were making more than him.
Not many though, he was getting a special salary from the Red Bull sponsorship, or at least that's what was released when Red Bull announced their StarTale sponsorship.
I'm not convinced this is a money issue. I'd guess something else happened.
It was bomber not parting that was sponsored by redbull prior to them sponsoring Startale as a whole.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
they have a team house in korea
he probably left because of money issues. He was the most succesful player last year and salaried code B calibre players were making more than him.
Not many though, he was getting a special salary from the Red Bull sponsorship, or at least that's what was released when Red Bull announced their StarTale sponsorship.
I'm not convinced this is a money issue. I'd guess something else happened.
It was bomber not parting that was sponsored by redbull prior to them sponsoring Startale as a whole.
Parting was one of two star tale players to have an incentive bonus from red bull when the team became sponsored. Bomber was the other. This is different than red bull sponsoring only bombrr before picking up ST.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
You realize EG has their own Korean training house for Proleague now? It's not as good as Startale but It's structured and there are a lot of good players there.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
they have a team house in korea
he probably left because of money issues. He was the most succesful player last year and salaried code B calibre players were making more than him.
Not many though, he was getting a special salary from the Red Bull sponsorship, or at least that's what was released when Red Bull announced their StarTale sponsorship.
I'm not convinced this is a money issue. I'd guess something else happened.
It was bomber not parting that was sponsored by redbull prior to them sponsoring Startale as a whole.
Yes, but when Red Bull sponsored the team, they specifically singled out Bomber and Parting as getting special incentives and money.
I really hope he goes right back into another big premier team; foreign or not, it would be such a shame for such a fantastic player to reduce himself to a smaller team. Good luck to him and his career ahead
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
they have a team house in korea
he probably left because of money issues. He was the most succesful player last year and salaried code B calibre players were making more than him.
Not many though, he was getting a special salary from the Red Bull sponsorship, or at least that's what was released when Red Bull announced their StarTale sponsorship.
I'm not convinced this is a money issue. I'd guess something else happened.
It was bomber not parting that was sponsored by redbull prior to them sponsoring Startale as a whole.
Yes, but when Red Bull sponsored the team, they specifically singled out Bomber and Parting as getting special incentives and money.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
You realize EG has their own Korean training house for Proleague now? It's not as good as Startale but It's structured and there are a lot of good players there.
Honestly if he joined EG and by proxy EG/TL for proleague then that might be just too much when all there talent is together. Right now they have Taeja Hero JD as players are fairly reliable wins (I said fairly) and then they need 1 more win from the rest of the roster. If you add into that lineup Parting and soon Stephano I dont know how you get 4 wins out of that lineup.
noo... Redbull gave you wings parting! And money, opportunities, energy drinks. ST was such a stacked team!! Still is kinda, with Life, a little slumping squirtle, Curious, inconsistent Bomber, Hack. But Parting was one of most consistent ST Protoss, made the roster horrifying to just look at. Now the roster is just a mere unnerving.
This is insane! I thought Parting and ST would be together forever. I hope he finds a team that will let him be the best that he can! Good luck Parting!
Alex Garfield was upset that HerO lost his last 2 games in Proleague, and called Hwanni and said "This Liquid Protoss can't get us the wins we need, buy me the best Protoss in Korea!" and the wheels were set in motion...
I hope he moves to a non-Korean team... OK, that won't happen (the only one that could theoretically accommodate him is EG), I know, but it would just be so awesome to see the best player of 2012 in a foreign team. Especially EG, where they could grind the Wonwonwon together with Stephano.
On January 03 2013 12:27 sitromit wrote: Alex Garfield was upset that HerO lost his last 2 games in Proleague, and called Hwanni and said "This Liquid Protoss can't get us the wins we need, buy me the best Protoss in Korea!" and the wheels were set in motion...
Hey Im pretty sure he was upset about Rain being so strong against EG-TL players ,dont just blame it on Hero haha.
Apparently Rain is like 15-0 against Jaedong , Taeja and Hero combined I think.
On January 03 2013 09:10 Insoleet wrote: Parting not in Startale is like Polt not in TSL... Wth is wrong with korean teams... They got money but their players are going away ?
I don't know about PartinG, but Polt wants to go study in America which is why he left... I really hope both get picked up by Liquid, but they probably won't with how they always follow their "We only pick up players who have undiscovered talent" motto. EG will probably get them like they've gotten Jaedong and Revival
On January 03 2013 12:27 sitromit wrote: Alex Garfield was upset that HerO lost his last 2 games in Proleague, and called Hwanni and said "This Liquid Protoss can't get us the wins we need, buy me the best Protoss in Korea!" and the wheels were set in motion...
Hey Im pretty sure he was upset about Rain being so strong against EG-TL players ,dont just blame it on Hero haha.
Apparently Rain is like 15-0 against Jaedong , Taeja and Hero combined I think.
On January 03 2013 12:10 Thrill wrote: Don't really get it, sup with Red Bull?
Red Bull is only sponsor, not owner. I doubt they have any saying in this.
No, but why would anyone want to leave a team that's sponsored by Red Bull?
dolla dolla bills ya'll
Yeah, that's what doesn't make sense. It's Red Bull. The entire budget for a year of eSports (all teams, sponsors, tournaments) is what they spend on decreasing the weight of an intake valve .001 grams.
On January 03 2013 12:10 Thrill wrote: Don't really get it, sup with Red Bull?
Red Bull is only sponsor, not owner. I doubt they have any saying in this.
No, but why would anyone want to leave a team that's sponsored by Red Bull?
dolla dolla bills ya'll
Yeah, that's what doesn't make sense. It's Red Bull. The entire budget for a year of eSports (all teams, sponsors, tournaments) is what they spend on decreasing the weight of an intake valve .001 grams.
Again, they are not owners, they didn't commit fully, they are just playing around, as soon as they saw some other opportunity, they will abandon the ship. Startale is not their own son, not like T1 to SKT.
Is Parting still bounded by that agreement between eSF and KeSPA that wouldn't allow them to take each others players? If so, can EG or TL still pickup Parting and have him play in Proleague? KeSPA allowed Revival...
i mean you are to good and to young to retire , and please don t go abroad ... just ask MC what happens when u leave your korean team (well you get even mroe rich , but you loose your code S champability status)
i whish him good luck really , but i m so sad for Startale
On January 03 2013 12:39 Osiccor wrote: Is Parting still bounded by that agreement between eSF and KeSPA that wouldn't allow them to take each others players? If so, can EG or TL still pickup Parting and have him play in Proleague? KeSPA allowed Revival...
I would assume so. Since EG and TL still aren't technically KeSPA teams.
i love watching kespa teams in spl , they play a total different creative fun to watch style ... when u drop more Code S regulars/champ contenders into spl - games will very soon be very onesided and unfunny to watch...... (yes to all who are bored of all those standart always repeating rutine games go watch spl XD )
On January 03 2013 12:25 IcedBacon wrote: I really don't like when top-tier players leave their teams, especially without any explanation :|
What explanation is there to give? He thinks he deserves more money and more opportunities in easier tournaments with big paychecks. As much is clearly true, his salary from when he was signed before cannot possibly match what hes worth now. ST couldnt afford him or accommodate him properly so he left, such is the way. It happens in real sports all the time.
On January 03 2013 12:50 seffer wrote: EG Parting would be another bad pickup. It will be Puma all over again. A player dominates with one build for months then drops off fast.
puma hasnt dropped off.... pulled two wins in IPTL EGPartingRC plz. want to see him in SPL
Parting used to be from fou. Left FXO to join ST probably because of Oz. Now Oz is gone, and there's no protoss ace for FXO, I can't imagine why FXO won't convince him to come back. FXOParting please.
I google translated the OP linked article, but it was completely unintelligible, can a kind bilingual individual give me a short run-down of what it said?
What the heck... flipping tables man... Did not see that coming. Hopefully it wasn't due to team management or something like that. It's always a shame to see things like that happen.
I feel like saying that maybe Parting was Curious to find out what other things Life had to offer. I just hope that this move will not Bomb his career. He was really one of their Ace players.
On January 03 2013 12:54 eScaper-tsunami wrote: Parting used to be from fou. Left FXO to join ST probably because of Oz. Now Oz is gone, and there's no protoss ace for FXO, I can't imagine why FXO won't convince him to come back. FXOParting please.
because he wants to play in more foreign tournaments. and while FXO sends 1 or 2 players to foreign events, its not a guarantee that Parting would be attending more.
I'm just wondering...... why? I hope he isn't going to a foreign team, unless that team is Liquid of course, but I wouldn't feel so bad if he went to a KeSPA team
i'm really sad about this but not gonna say I wasn't expecting this After his performance in 2012, his value skyrocket and idk if Startale will be able to offer him enough to keep him
But him leaving, he is losing the quality amount of practice partners he had in Startale (Life, Curious, Squirtle, Bomber, etc) Also loses the build order genius, Squirtle. I'm about 95% sure Squirtle was the one who developed the "Soul" build and all of these "PartinG" builds. It was just PartinG who was able to showcase it at its real potential since he has better execution than Squirtle.
I hope he thought this through and picks a team that can help him remain near/at the top
On January 03 2013 12:59 Dr.Sin wrote: I feel like saying that maybe Parting was Curious to find out what other things Life had to offer. I just hope that this move will not Bomb his career. He was really one of their Ace players.
This prolly won't happen but I really hope TL picks him up. He would be a huge pickup for them (obviously) but they really need another toss and they have some extra money considering the new sponsor and that 3 players recently are gone (i think). Plus maybe having parting to practice with will save Taejas tvp.
On January 03 2013 13:12 .kv wrote: i'm really sad about this but not gonna say I wasn't expecting this After his performance in 2012, his value skyrocket and idk if Startale will be able to offer him enough to keep him
But him leaving, he is losing the quality amount of practice partners he had in Startale (Life, Curious, Squirtle, Bomber, etc) Also loses the build order genius, Squirtle. I'm about 95% sure Squirtle was the one who developed the "Soul" build and all of these "PartinG" builds. It was just PartinG who was able to showcase it at its real potential since he has better execution than Squirtle.
I hope he thought this through and picks a team that can help him remain near/at the top
On January 03 2013 13:12 .kv wrote: i'm really sad about this but not gonna say I wasn't expecting this After his performance in 2012, his value skyrocket and idk if Startale will be able to offer him enough to keep him
But him leaving, he is losing the quality amount of practice partners he had in Startale (Life, Curious, Squirtle, Bomber, etc) Also loses the build order genius, Squirtle. I'm about 95% sure Squirtle was the one who developed the "Soul" build and all of these "PartinG" builds. It was just PartinG who was able to showcase it at its real potential since he has better execution than Squirtle.
I hope he thought this through and picks a team that can help him remain near/at the top
On January 03 2013 13:12 .kv wrote: i'm really sad about this but not gonna say I wasn't expecting this After his performance in 2012, his value skyrocket and idk if Startale will be able to offer him enough to keep him
But him leaving, he is losing the quality amount of practice partners he had in Startale (Life, Curious, Squirtle, Bomber, etc) Also loses the build order genius, Squirtle. I'm about 95% sure Squirtle was the one who developed the "Soul" build and all of these "PartinG" builds. It was just PartinG who was able to showcase it at its real potential since he has better execution than Squirtle.
I hope he thought this through and picks a team that can help him remain near/at the top
Like ST was paying him to begin with lul
masterbreti said earlier in the thread that he heard from someone in the Prime house that Parting was getting paid ~20k. That's pretty damn solid for a pro on a Korean team, though ofc, he is worth more than that. Still, when you have two players suddenly break through as well as Life and Parting have in the final few months of 2012, it's a bit hard to support both, I guess. :/
(Also, I feel like I'm in middle school. He said that she said that he said ..........)
In an effort to revive Bisu, SKT1 has secretly gotten hold of PartinG, who will stay teamless until October 2013 where he will join SKT1. He will practice and teach Bisu how to play protoss. He, Bisu and Rain will then destroy everyone in 2014. You heard it here first, folks.
korean teams have been shafting koreans for a while now and the players are catching on and joining foreign teams that will pay multiples of their native counterparts
On January 03 2013 13:33 Mistletoes wrote: In an effort to revive Bisu, SKT1 has secretly gotten hold of PartinG, who will stay teamless until October 2013 where he will join SKT1. He will practice and teach Bisu how to play protoss. He, Bisu and Rain will then destroy everyone in 2014. You heard it here first, folks.
Haha i thought the same, but with the Samsung Khan Stork and Jangbi :D
On January 03 2013 13:36 brieN wrote: korean teams have been shafting koreans for a while now and the players are catching on and joining foreign teams that will pay multiples of their native counterparts
On January 03 2013 13:33 Mistletoes wrote: In an effort to revive Bisu, SKT1 has secretly gotten hold of PartinG, who will stay teamless until October 2013 where he will join SKT1. He will practice and teach Bisu how to play protoss. He, Bisu and Rain will then destroy everyone in 2014. You heard it here first, folks.
Haha i thought the same, but with the Samsung Khan Stork and Jangbi :D
Jangbi managed to win an Ace match which is more than Bisu has done (though beating Roro was nice).
On January 03 2013 13:36 brieN wrote: korean teams have been shafting koreans for a while now and the players are catching on and joining foreign teams that will pay multiples of their native counterparts
This is why the need to ask huge transfer fees.
one, the players actually need to be under contract for that. two, the players need to still be on the team when they join the foreign team.
and when they do ask for huge transfer fees, we get a MMA/SlayerS situation.
On January 03 2013 11:43 IMHope wrote: Surprised that he is leaving ST since it was such a good fit for him and the great practice partners that were available on that team is huge. Wonder where he will end up and what made him decide to leave.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that StarTale did not permit its players to practice with each other. The only times they were allowed to play each other was if they happened to get matched on ladder like anyone else.
What ... they're like any other team. They definitely practice within the team. Just look at every ST interview and see who they thank. Otherwise you lose one of the biggest advantages of being on a team in the first place.
You may be mixed up about the practice ban. ST and the other eSF teams did not practice with SlayerS players for a few months.
Yup, when Naniwa was part of the team via the Quantic merger he apparently practiced with Bomber for GSL until Bomber was too tired to play anymore.
Before his quarterfinal vs. Mvp, NaNiwa practiced with basically every terran (and Polt IIRC) that was in the house at the time until they couldn't take it anymore
On January 03 2013 13:33 Mistletoes wrote: In an effort to revive Bisu, SKT1 has secretly gotten hold of PartinG, who will stay teamless until October 2013 where he will join SKT1. He will practice and teach Bisu how to play protoss. He, Bisu and Rain will then destroy everyone in 2014. You heard it here first, folks.
Oh god please let this be true, lol .
Anyway, I'm pretty sure Parting left StarTale to give himself a shot at a GSL title. No ST player has won a GSL (despite them having an amazing line-up) except for Life*.
*Who doesn't count. Life is going to get an TLFE article in about five or six years called "The Swarm Bonjwa" or something similar.
Startale's Protoss Representative Parting left the team.
On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision on which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
On January 03 2013 13:15 Holdenintherye wrote: Even though I'm a big EG fanboy, I hope he doesn't go with them. It's kinda not that exciting when 1 team has a huge roster of star players...
Looking at their roster. I think they could use more. JD isn't ready to win any individuals yet and then who else do you really have? Stephano? I don't see Revival contending for a Championship either. Demu's been pretty solid recently but it remains to be seen if he can be consistent and keep up the work ethic.
On January 03 2013 13:55 UnKooL wrote: Translation of thisisgame.com article:
Startale's Protoss Representative Parting left the team.
On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
Case in point. He wants to go Foreigner or at least a team that will send him where ever the heck he wants, hm! Alex?
On January 03 2013 09:01 Za7oX wrote: Arguably the best player of 2012 leaving the the top Korean team of 2012.
No. He was good in the last few tournaments, but he didn't win anything easily. And he wasn't good during the beginning of the year when compared to other Koreans. Top player of 2012, but not arguably the best player of 2012.
Really confused about this move btw. He had to either hate being on ST, or he just made a big mistake due to a big head. ST was a really good thing for him. I have a feeling he might struggle from now on.
On January 03 2013 13:55 UnKooL wrote: Translation of thisisgame.com article:
Startale's Protoss Representative Parting left the team.
On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision on which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
Sub-translation: He wants to travel the world, hoping to find inspiration and enlightenment, so that he can achieve the next level of super sayin.
I think that interview pretty much says it all. He got approached by another team, probably foreign, that offered him a much better deal than what he had at ST. He talked to the coach and asked them to match it, coach said "sorry, no can do, but best of luck to you if you wish to leave", and Parting left for greener pastures.
Proleague for somethign something. Proleague carries a TON of weight with Koreans. No doubt he grew up watching that stuff on TV. Can't wait to see where he goes!
On January 03 2013 12:59 Dr.Sin wrote: I feel like saying that maybe Parting was Curious to find out what other things Life had to offer. I just hope that this move will not Bomb his career. He was really one of their Ace players.
On January 03 2013 14:01 GTPGlitch wrote: ohhhhh myyyyy god ((((((((
STX_Parting?
or Samsung-they both could use a good tosster
STX Parting would make me sosososo happy!! But that being said, I can't see him going from one Korean team to another unless they were one of the better funded teams. I would be less surprised to see EG or Liquid PartinG, but who knows?
On January 03 2013 09:01 Za7oX wrote: Arguably the best player of 2012 leaving the the top Korean team of 2012.
No. He was good in the last few tournaments, but he didn't win anything easily. And he wasn't good during the beginning of the year when compared to other Koreans. Top player of 2012, but not arguably the best player of 2012.
Really confused about this move btw. He had to either hate being on ST, or he just made a big mistake due to a big head. ST was a really good thing for him. I have a feeling he might struggle from now on.
When strats are running good. They be running good.
On January 03 2013 14:01 sitromit wrote: I think that interview pretty much says it all. He got approached by another team, probably foreign, that offered him a much better deal than what he had at ST. He talked to the coach and asked them to match it, coach said "sorry, no can do, but best of luck to you if you wish to leave", and Parting left for greener pastures.
In before he drops to Code B by Season 3.
He's too good to drop to Code B. It's not like his ST mates will stop practicing with him just because he left the team. He'll pretty much just be losing the coaching and the in-depth discussions on strats/builds with teammates, but even that's not for sure; ST's pretty lax, it seems, on letting people stay and practice with them (seeing as how Sase is teamless and still lives at the ST house).
Also, kind of off-topic, but ... anyone else remember the time when StarTale was actually known as like ... the most laid-back team in the Korean scene in terms of rigorous practice? (Players basically practiced when they wanted to.) I wonder how much of that's changed this past year.
On January 03 2013 09:01 Za7oX wrote: Arguably the best player of 2012 leaving the the top Korean team of 2012.
No. He was good in the last few tournaments, but he didn't win anything easily. And he wasn't good during the beginning of the year when compared to other Koreans. Top player of 2012, but not arguably the best player of 2012.
Really confused about this move btw. He had to either hate being on ST, or he just made a big mistake due to a big head. ST was a really good thing for him. I have a feeling he might struggle from now on.
You perhaps don't remember it, but back in GSL S2 this year, Parting was looking really good. Like, too good. It took Mvp to beat him and Squirtle. That miniranking list down to the right was all "oh parting and squirtle!!" and people everywhere were going "this guy is good, guess he'll win something soon". But then came the whole zerg thing..
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
I guess EG is just appealing.
Hell, who wouldn't want a fat check and an organization that has no strict practice schedule, and that couldn't give 2 shits about if you win or lose as long as you wear their logo, make some tweets, and do a commercial or two.
On January 03 2013 13:15 Holdenintherye wrote: Even though I'm a big EG fanboy, I hope he doesn't go with them. It's kinda not that exciting when 1 team has a huge roster of star players...
Looking at their roster. I think they could use more. JD isn't ready to win any individuals yet and then who else do you really have? Stephano? I don't see Revival contending for a Championship either. Demu's been pretty solid recently but it remains to be seen if he can be consistent and keep up the work ethic.
On January 03 2013 13:55 UnKooL wrote: Translation of thisisgame.com article:
Startale's Protoss Representative Parting left the team.
On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
Case in point. He wants to go Foreigner or at least a team that will send him where ever the heck he wants, hm! Alex?
The point is they buy people right after they become fan favorites. Huk, Thorzain, and Stephano. I really hope he doesn't go to EG.
On January 03 2013 13:15 Holdenintherye wrote: Even though I'm a big EG fanboy, I hope he doesn't go with them. It's kinda not that exciting when 1 team has a huge roster of star players...
Looking at their roster. I think they could use more. JD isn't ready to win any individuals yet and then who else do you really have? Stephano? I don't see Revival contending for a Championship either. Demu's been pretty solid recently but it remains to be seen if he can be consistent and keep up the work ethic.
On January 03 2013 13:55 UnKooL wrote: Translation of thisisgame.com article:
Startale's Protoss Representative Parting left the team.
On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
Case in point. He wants to go Foreigner or at least a team that will send him where ever the heck he wants, hm! Alex?
The point is they buy people right after they become fan favorites. Huk, Thorzain, and Stephano. I really hope he doesn't go to EG.
More like when they've peaked; sure Alex is all about the marketability too but he does grab players who've pretty much peaked out.
On January 03 2013 13:15 Holdenintherye wrote: Even though I'm a big EG fanboy, I hope he doesn't go with them. It's kinda not that exciting when 1 team has a huge roster of star players...
Looking at their roster. I think they could use more. JD isn't ready to win any individuals yet and then who else do you really have? Stephano? I don't see Revival contending for a Championship either. Demu's been pretty solid recently but it remains to be seen if he can be consistent and keep up the work ethic.
On January 03 2013 13:55 UnKooL wrote: Translation of thisisgame.com article:
Startale's Protoss Representative Parting left the team.
On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
Case in point. He wants to go Foreigner or at least a team that will send him where ever the heck he wants, hm! Alex?
The point is they buy people right after they become fan favorites. Huk, Thorzain, and Stephano. I really hope he doesn't go to EG.
That isn't true at all. HuK, Thorzain and Stephano were all established fan favorites before EG signed them.
On January 03 2013 13:15 Holdenintherye wrote: Even though I'm a big EG fanboy, I hope he doesn't go with them. It's kinda not that exciting when 1 team has a huge roster of star players...
Looking at their roster. I think they could use more. JD isn't ready to win any individuals yet and then who else do you really have? Stephano? I don't see Revival contending for a Championship either. Demu's been pretty solid recently but it remains to be seen if he can be consistent and keep up the work ethic.
On January 03 2013 13:55 UnKooL wrote: Translation of thisisgame.com article:
Startale's Protoss Representative Parting left the team.
On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
Case in point. He wants to go Foreigner or at least a team that will send him where ever the heck he wants, hm! Alex?
The point is they buy people right after they become fan favorites. Huk, Thorzain, and Stephano. I really hope he doesn't go to EG.
That isn't true at all. HuK, Thorzain and Stephano were all established fan favorites before EG signed them.
That's what he meant~after players become popular they get signed
On January 03 2013 15:14 Dracolich70 wrote: Never been a fan. Think picking him up, would be an overpriced mistake.
I think he will be worth every won(korean currency) that he gets offered, much more so than any other Korean that joined a foreign team/scene (except Violet and MC of course).
On January 03 2013 13:15 Holdenintherye wrote: Even though I'm a big EG fanboy, I hope he doesn't go with them. It's kinda not that exciting when 1 team has a huge roster of star players...
Looking at their roster. I think they could use more. JD isn't ready to win any individuals yet and then who else do you really have? Stephano? I don't see Revival contending for a Championship either. Demu's been pretty solid recently but it remains to be seen if he can be consistent and keep up the work ethic.
On January 03 2013 13:55 UnKooL wrote: Translation of thisisgame.com article:
Startale's Protoss Representative Parting left the team.
On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
Case in point. He wants to go Foreigner or at least a team that will send him where ever the heck he wants, hm! Alex?
The point is they buy people right after they become fan favorites. Huk, Thorzain, and Stephano. I really hope he doesn't go to EG.
That isn't true at all. HuK, Thorzain and Stephano were all established fan favorites before EG signed them.
That's what he meant~after players become popular they get signed
No that isn't what he meant. He stated that EG buys people right after they became fan favorites. Thorzain and Stephano were fan favorites for almost a year each before they were signed by EG. HuK may be the only case towards that statement among those three, but even then it was a few months before EG signed him after he had become quite the fan favorite. So like I said. That isn't true at all.
On January 03 2013 15:14 Dracolich70 wrote: Never been a fan. Think picking him up, would be an overpriced mistake.
I think he will be worth every won(korean currency) that he gets offered, much more so than any other Korean that joined a foreign team/scene (except Violet and MC of course).
Time will tell. I do not mind being wrong, concerning such matters, because it means that he didn't rest on his laurels. I just never felt his was as good as people made him out to be.
On January 03 2013 13:15 Holdenintherye wrote: Even though I'm a big EG fanboy, I hope he doesn't go with them. It's kinda not that exciting when 1 team has a huge roster of star players...
Looking at their roster. I think they could use more. JD isn't ready to win any individuals yet and then who else do you really have? Stephano? I don't see Revival contending for a Championship either. Demu's been pretty solid recently but it remains to be seen if he can be consistent and keep up the work ethic.
On January 03 2013 13:55 UnKooL wrote: Translation of thisisgame.com article:
Startale's Protoss Representative Parting left the team.
On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
Case in point. He wants to go Foreigner or at least a team that will send him where ever the heck he wants, hm! Alex?
The point is they buy people right after they become fan favorites. Huk, Thorzain, and Stephano. I really hope he doesn't go to EG.
That isn't true at all. HuK, Thorzain and Stephano were all established fan favorites before EG signed them.
That's what he meant~after players become popular they get signed
No that isn't what he meant. He stated that EG buys people right after they became fan favorites. Thorzain and Stephano were fan favorites for almost a year each before they were signed by EG. HuK may be the only case towards that statement among those three, but even then it was a few months before EG signed him after he had become quite the fan favorite. So like I said. That isn't true at all.
Okay, here, let's say it correctly then~
EG buys players after they get popular as soon as contractually possible.
Thorzain->Mouz on May 8, 2011 Thorzain->EG announced on May 10, 2012
Stephano->Mill 10/7/201, contract ends 8/31/2012 Stephano->EG announced 9/10/2012
# btw i had a dream i was in a team with mc and a skinny player with glasses ( first i tought mkp will join sk gaming , but parting fits the dream's description aswel)
I am not sure if EG has the money for him, just recently got JG and i think they muste have offered him A LOT. So no foreign team can afford him, whlie giving him opportunity to keep up with his practice. Liquid maybe? But highly not possible. SK? MAYBE. Kepsa team, never.
Since he said he wanted to experience more things, its gotta be either TL or EG since they have strong presence in Korea and will still fly players out to tourneys. With slightly possibilities of Acer and Axiom.
On January 03 2013 16:46 silverstyle wrote: Since he said he wanted to experience more things, its gotta be either TL or EG since they have strong presence in Korea and will still fly players out to tourneys. With slightly possibilities of Acer and Axiom.
Very excited to see who will pick him up.
No way Axiom has the $$$ to get a ticket on the Soul Train. TB said he doubted he could afford Nani, and I have a feeling Parting is gonna demand significantly more
If he said he wanted to experience more things, it's not necessarily as much about foreign events as it could be about Proleague, not that that is certain either, but I'd like to see SKT_Parting or and he'd be a huge boost to someone like STX or Team 8 who could use some extra spark to their force. Please not KT. <.<
On January 03 2013 17:08 Belisarius wrote: I really hope he doesn't join a foreign team. He's too good to trade cash for irrelevance.
It's not like he's going to move out of korea permanently, but being on a foreign team will increase his international exposure. Being on a foreign team does not barre you from playing in GSL or proleague, but it definitely opens the window to more opportunities. He's a star, good for him.
On January 03 2013 17:08 Belisarius wrote: I really hope he doesn't join a foreign team. He's too good to trade cash for irrelevance.
It's not like he's going to move out of korea permanently, but being on a foreign team will increase his international exposure. Being on a foreign team does not barre you from playing in GSL or proleague, but it definitely opens the window to more opportunities. He's a star, good for him.
Love that Parting stalker micro
I don't agree with this. That is the theory, yet the most famous Koreans are the ones on Korean teams. HerO and Taeja are the only exceptions. Every other Korean that joined a Foreign team for the fast cash has either been forgotten, got worse and now can't compete, or has retired. I don't want the same fate for Parting. I hope he joins a Kespa team, that would be a cool surprise.
O boy, I don't think he'll do as welll without the startale atmosphere! Huge blow for ST as well... Please go to a Kespa team Parting!!! But it'll probably be EG
On January 03 2013 17:08 Belisarius wrote: I really hope he doesn't join a foreign team. He's too good to trade cash for irrelevance.
It's not like he's going to move out of korea permanently, but being on a foreign team will increase his international exposure. Being on a foreign team does not barre you from playing in GSL or proleague, but it definitely opens the window to more opportunities. He's a star, good for him.
Love that Parting stalker micro
I don't agree with this. That is the theory, yet the most famous Koreans are the ones on Korean teams. HerO and Taeja are the only exceptions. Every other Korean that joined a Foreign team for the fast cash has either been forgotten, got worse and now can't compete, or has retired. I don't want the same fate for Parting. I hope he joins a Kespa team, that would be a cool surprise.
Exactly. With the exception of Liquid's two aces, keeping new acquisitions in foreign teamhouses (in KR or otherwise) has failed to even approach the results that come from a true KR teamhouse.
On January 03 2013 17:08 Belisarius wrote: I really hope he doesn't join a foreign team. He's too good to trade cash for irrelevance.
It's not like he's going to move out of korea permanently, but being on a foreign team will increase his international exposure. Being on a foreign team does not barre you from playing in GSL or proleague, but it definitely opens the window to more opportunities. He's a star, good for him.
Love that Parting stalker micro
I don't agree with this. That is the theory, yet the most famous Koreans are the ones on Korean teams. HerO and Taeja are the only exceptions. Every other Korean that joined a Foreign team for the fast cash has either been forgotten, got worse and now can't compete, or has retired. I don't want the same fate for Parting. I hope he joins a Kespa team, that would be a cool surprise.
Violet got really good after he joined a foreign team and even moved out of Korea. Jaedong has certainly not been forgotten and as you say, both Hero and Taeja became the players they are on Teamliquid.
Most Koreans who are mostly forgotten who joined foreign teams where already on their way down when they joined, which would not be the case with Parting. The only exception to this is Puma, but then again he was really good over a year ago (after he joined EG).
On January 03 2013 17:08 Belisarius wrote: I really hope he doesn't join a foreign team. He's too good to trade cash for irrelevance.
It's not like he's going to move out of korea permanently, but being on a foreign team will increase his international exposure. Being on a foreign team does not barre you from playing in GSL or proleague, but it definitely opens the window to more opportunities. He's a star, good for him.
Love that Parting stalker micro
I don't agree with this. That is the theory, yet the most famous Koreans are the ones on Korean teams. HerO and Taeja are the only exceptions. Every other Korean that joined a Foreign team for the fast cash has either been forgotten, got worse and now can't compete, or has retired. I don't want the same fate for Parting. I hope he joins a Kespa team, that would be a cool surprise.
Violet got really good after he joined a foreign team and even moved out of Korea. Jaedong has certainly not been forgotten and as you say, both Hero and Taeja became the players they are on Teamliquid.
Most Koreans who are mostly forgotten who joined foreign teams where already on their way down when they joined, which would not be the case with Parting. The only exception to this is Puma, but then again he was really good over a year ago (after he joined EG).
parting is winning because of the immortal all in. a new game is coming out in 2 months. if you think parting is going to be as dominant in 2013 as he was in 2012, you are mistaken. especially if he joins a foreign team
On January 03 2013 17:08 Belisarius wrote: I really hope he doesn't join a foreign team. He's too good to trade cash for irrelevance.
It's not like he's going to move out of korea permanently, but being on a foreign team will increase his international exposure. Being on a foreign team does not barre you from playing in GSL or proleague, but it definitely opens the window to more opportunities. He's a star, good for him.
Love that Parting stalker micro
I don't agree with this. That is the theory, yet the most famous Koreans are the ones on Korean teams. HerO and Taeja are the only exceptions. Every other Korean that joined a Foreign team for the fast cash has either been forgotten, got worse and now can't compete, or has retired. I don't want the same fate for Parting. I hope he joins a Kespa team, that would be a cool surprise.
Violet got really good after he joined a foreign team and even moved out of Korea. Jaedong has certainly not been forgotten and as you say, both Hero and Taeja became the players they are on Teamliquid.
Most Koreans who are mostly forgotten who joined foreign teams where already on their way down when they joined, which would not be the case with Parting. The only exception to this is Puma, but then again he was really good over a year ago (after he joined EG).
parting is winning because of the immortal all in. a new game is coming out in 2 months. if you think parting is going to be as dominant in 2013 as he was in 2012, you are mistaken. especially if he joins a foreign team
I really don't think he will, but you can't say that he's currently on a decline. I also don't think moving from Startale to a foreigner team would be a good choice, skill wise.
On January 03 2013 17:08 Belisarius wrote: I really hope he doesn't join a foreign team. He's too good to trade cash for irrelevance.
It's not like he's going to move out of korea permanently, but being on a foreign team will increase his international exposure. Being on a foreign team does not barre you from playing in GSL or proleague, but it definitely opens the window to more opportunities. He's a star, good for him.
Love that Parting stalker micro
I don't agree with this. That is the theory, yet the most famous Koreans are the ones on Korean teams. HerO and Taeja are the only exceptions. Every other Korean that joined a Foreign team for the fast cash has either been forgotten, got worse and now can't compete, or has retired. I don't want the same fate for Parting. I hope he joins a Kespa team, that would be a cool surprise.
Violet got really good after he joined a foreign team and even moved out of Korea. Jaedong has certainly not been forgotten and as you say, both Hero and Taeja became the players they are on Teamliquid.
Most Koreans who are mostly forgotten who joined foreign teams where already on their way down when they joined, which would not be the case with Parting. The only exception to this is Puma, but then again he was really good over a year ago (after he joined EG).
parting is winning because of the immortal all in. a new game is coming out in 2 months. if you think parting is going to be as dominant in 2013 as he was in 2012, you are mistaken. especially if he joins a foreign team
so his excellent space control and top notch battle micro are just about to disipate with HotS? I don't think so. In addition, this is his PvZ build, he is also quite good in the other match ups
anyhoo, I have this "Go Liquid"-voice in my head, yet I think it'll be a KeSPA team in the end.
I don't see eg or liquid being in the picture. I feel like this has kespa written all over it. And if a high kespa team really wanted PartinG and threw money around, EG wouldn't have a chance.
On January 03 2013 17:08 Belisarius wrote: I really hope he doesn't join a foreign team. He's too good to trade cash for irrelevance.
It's not like he's going to move out of korea permanently, but being on a foreign team will increase his international exposure. Being on a foreign team does not barre you from playing in GSL or proleague, but it definitely opens the window to more opportunities. He's a star, good for him.
Love that Parting stalker micro
I don't agree with this. That is the theory, yet the most famous Koreans are the ones on Korean teams. HerO and Taeja are the only exceptions. Every other Korean that joined a Foreign team for the fast cash has either been forgotten, got worse and now can't compete, or has retired. I don't want the same fate for Parting. I hope he joins a Kespa team, that would be a cool surprise.
Violet got really good after he joined a foreign team and even moved out of Korea. Jaedong has certainly not been forgotten and as you say, both Hero and Taeja became the players they are on Teamliquid.
Most Koreans who are mostly forgotten who joined foreign teams where already on their way down when they joined, which would not be the case with Parting. The only exception to this is Puma, but then again he was really good over a year ago (after he joined EG).
parting is winning because of the immortal all in. a new game is coming out in 2 months. if you think parting is going to be as dominant in 2013 as he was in 2012, you are mistaken. especially if he joins a foreign team
using a strategy to win a matchup that is otherwise unwinnable, dont blame him for it. he has already proven to have great control and decision making (such as his games vs MKP earlier in 2012), and has been consistently one of the best P's for the whole year, even before he utilized the all in.
On January 03 2013 18:08 Armada Vega wrote: I don't see eg or liquid being in the picture. I feel like this has kespa written all over it. And if a high kespa team really wanted PartinG and threw money around, EG wouldn't have a chance.
Well, this really depends on how exactly the KeSPA/eSF agreement was worded. Does it only bound the players that are under contract? Or does it go for players no longer on contract as well?
Everytime I see a Korean leave a team saying he wants "experience much more" I feel they are referring to be able to travel more to international events. So either a foreign team or some kind of a arrangement that MC have.
On January 03 2013 18:17 KristofferAG wrote: Would be neat to see him on a KeSPA team. I don't really want him on a foreign team, I don't think that's what's best for him atm.
Joining Kespa team for what?
So that he can play in Proleague and
not be allowed to compete in foreign tournaments apart from MLG???
I also doubt that any of the kespa teams is willing to offer huge salary to Parting given how
small starcraft 2 scene is in Korea. Joining Kespa team is not good for him IMO.
I am sad that he is leaving the team, they were so solid for so many reasons and he was a big part of that, however you have got to be happy that they split ways on good terms and he is doing what he wants.
I don't know if even EG's pockets are deep enough for this, given that they're been recruiting players left and right. Regardless of who will pick him up, they will pay a massive price.
Anyway I'm shocked. Why leave the arguably best Korean team right now? I don't see any other reason but to find a foreign team and claim all the money from 2013 foreign tournaments.
"I want to experience much more things while I'm still young" Definitely, 100%, sounds like he's looking for a foreign team to me. So please EG, don't do it. On the other hand Nazgul, this guy is highly popular. PLEASE?
On January 03 2013 18:43 DarkLordOlli wrote: "I want to experience much more things while I'm still young" Definitely, 100%, sounds like he's looking for a foreign team to me. So please EG, don't do it. On the other hand Nazgul, this guy is highly popular. PLEASE?
On January 03 2013 18:43 DarkLordOlli wrote: "I want to experience much more things while I'm still young" Definitely, 100%, sounds like he's looking for a foreign team to me. So please EG, don't do it. On the other hand Nazgul, this guy is highly popular. PLEASE?
liquid isnt any better than eg
Who said anything about better? I'd just love to see Parting on my favorite team.
On January 03 2013 19:40 Cattlecruiser wrote: Just another sell-out.
Financially reasonable, but a sell-out anyways.
I hope bad things upon you and only you.
you're a fan of a game whose very life relies on selling out to companies. dont wish bad things on others for that reason, especially when you don't even know the actual reason. moron.
Looking back I guess I shouldn't be shocked or surprised. This sort of thing seems to happen when a player wins big, they start to want something else, something different, bigger or potentially better. I can't imagine what team he would join though. I don't think he would be able to do as well on a non-Korean team.
On January 03 2013 20:14 Sumahi wrote: Looking back I guess I shouldn't be shocked or surprised. This sort of thing seems to happen when a player wins big, they start to want something else, something different, bigger or potentially better. I can't imagine what team he would join though. I don't think he would be able to do as well on a non-Korean team.
It's some kind of miracle that Mvp and NesTea didn't search for a team where they would get paid after 2011, instead they stuck it out with IM and they got a nice corporate sponsorship.
On January 03 2013 20:41 sVnteen wrote: oh god pls don't join liquid or eg I'll be happy with pretty much anything else (kespa is still not allowed right?)
Thats a good question. Did you know where is the agreement described? I didn´t remember.
On January 03 2013 09:20 vAtAZz wrote: Might go to Millenium, they are going to be sponsored by Red Bull in 2013, then Red Bull money will buy him again ^^
I just saw that now too. I'm shocked if it's true.
Surely he isn't thinking of joining the foreign team bandwagon...
Yeah. Also sadly it seems most ESF team are gone now.
TSL I knew was in trouble with Polt leaving, but ST and IM seemed to be in good spots with having good players.
Now it seems IM is the only one that may stay together in 2013. The rest of the teams (especially with new teams popping up + KeSPA teams entering the scene) are all at risk of disbanding.
I just saw that now too. I'm shocked if it's true.
Surely he isn't thinking of joining the foreign team bandwagon...
Yeah. Also sadly it seems most ESF team are gone now.
TSL I knew was in trouble with Polt leaving, but ST and IM seemed to be in good spots with having good players.
Now it seems IM is the only one that may stay together in 2013. The rest of the teams (especially with new teams popping up + KeSPA teams entering the scene) are all at risk of disbanding.
Nor sure if serious or just stupid... Parting asked for too much money. ST still has the best roster in the World with Life, Bomber, Squirtle...
I just saw that now too. I'm shocked if it's true.
Surely he isn't thinking of joining the foreign team bandwagon...
Yeah. Also sadly it seems most ESF team are gone now.
TSL I knew was in trouble with Polt leaving, but ST and IM seemed to be in good spots with having good players.
Now it seems IM is the only one that may stay together in 2013. The rest of the teams (especially with new teams popping up + KeSPA teams entering the scene) are all at risk of disbanding.
startale still has Life, and 2 other code S players.
I just saw that now too. I'm shocked if it's true.
Surely he isn't thinking of joining the foreign team bandwagon...
Yeah. Also sadly it seems most ESF team are gone now.
TSL I knew was in trouble with Polt leaving, but ST and IM seemed to be in good spots with having good players.
Now it seems IM is the only one that may stay together in 2013. The rest of the teams (especially with new teams popping up + KeSPA teams entering the scene) are all at risk of disbanding.
Nor sure if serious or just stupid... Parting asked for too much money. ST still has the best roster in the World with Life, Bomber, Squirtle...
I'm not sure if this is such a good idea for Parting. ST were already supporting their players to attend a lot of foreign tourneys, he might gain a salary raise from a foreign team but he'll lose ST's practice environment. Also it's hard to believe that foreign teams have a huge amount of money to pay out at the moment.
On January 03 2013 23:15 X3GoldDot wrote: hack > bomber, curious > squirtle
Man, Squirtle is a genius. Who perfected the immortal/sentry build? Who did the 3 colossus no forge push? Who was in a GSL finals this year? Not Parting at least.
Squirtle has had a bit of a slump, but judging from IPTL and other lesser recent matches, he seems to be in kinda good shape yet again.
On January 03 2013 23:15 X3GoldDot wrote: hack > bomber, curious > squirtle
Man, Squirtle is a genius. Who perfected the immortal/sentry build? Who did the 3 colossus no forge push? Who was in a GSL finals this year? Not Parting at least.
Squirtle has had a bit of a slump, but judging from IPTL and other lesser recent matches, he seems to be in kinda good shape yet again.
/squirtle fanboy
Do not fear. I feel that Squirtle gets overlooked quite a bit as well.
On January 03 2013 23:15 X3GoldDot wrote: hack > bomber, curious > squirtle
Who was in a GSL finals this year? Not Parting at least.
Blizzard Cup usually cuts it as a GSL title at least in regards to MMA being a 2 time GSL winner (obviously his finals wins over MVP and DRG respectively). So going by this logic, Parting vs. Life in 2012 Blizzard Cup would be a GSL finals.
I'm so conflicted on this. Not counting BW teams/players (Khan/Stork for life), Startale and Parting are my favorites respectively. However, I also realize it could mean seeing Parting at many, many more events in the near future. I can't imagine who will pick him up. Doesn't really seem like a Liquid player. I'm definitely feeling EG on this one. Maybe mouz? They are in need of additional players for sure.
On January 03 2013 16:46 silverstyle wrote: Since he said he wanted to experience more things, its gotta be either TL or EG since they have strong presence in Korea and will still fly players out to tourneys. With slightly possibilities of Acer and Axiom.
Very excited to see who will pick him up.
No way Axiom has the $$$ to get a ticket on the Soul Train. TB said he doubted he could afford Nani, and I have a feeling Parting is gonna demand significantly more
You'd be surprised. Koreans have pretty low expectations when it comes to salary, far less than foreigners. We could probably afford Parting what with the recent surge in popularity for the channel. However it's not just about paying players, it's about making sure our existing players have a good environment to live and practice in and that's the priority right now.
Thankfully the Axiom team-house is very close to being a reality.
I don't think he is going for a foreign team unless he thinks hes going to get a LOT of money.. He doesn't speak very well to the skill level of foreigners in the past, and I doubt that is what he would want for himself besides maybe just to have fun bc its free money. He also has a lot of korean fans from the first sc2 OSL and now from his success. I could definitely see him joining a Kespa team
On January 03 2013 16:46 silverstyle wrote: Since he said he wanted to experience more things, its gotta be either TL or EG since they have strong presence in Korea and will still fly players out to tourneys. With slightly possibilities of Acer and Axiom.
Very excited to see who will pick him up.
No way Axiom has the $$$ to get a ticket on the Soul Train. TB said he doubted he could afford Nani, and I have a feeling Parting is gonna demand significantly more
You'd be surprised. Koreans have pretty low expectations when it comes to salary, far less than foreigners. We could probably afford Parting what with the recent surge in popularity for the channel. However it's not just about paying players, it's about making sure our existing players have a good environment to live and practice in and that's the priority right now.
Thankfully the Axiom team-house is very close to being a reality.
I'm glad to hear your team is doing fine and I will be cheering for you guys <3 Parting is a household name, and I'm sure he would contribute to a good atmosphere in the house. I heard he is good at doing dishes as well.
I just saw that now too. I'm shocked if it's true.
Surely he isn't thinking of joining the foreign team bandwagon...
Yeah. Also sadly it seems most ESF team are gone now.
TSL I knew was in trouble with Polt leaving, but ST and IM seemed to be in good spots with having good players.
Now it seems IM is the only one that may stay together in 2013. The rest of the teams (especially with new teams popping up + KeSPA teams entering the scene) are all at risk of disbanding.
You said like the leaving of Parting makes Startale dead and going to disband soon. Startale still has many good players and they have a lot of sponsors. And off-topic, lacking of sponsors kill TSL not because of Polt
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
I guess EG is just appealing.
Hell, who wouldn't want a fat check and an organization that has no strict practice schedule, and that couldn't give 2 shits about if you win or lose as long as you wear their logo, make some tweets, and do a commercial or two.
Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
I think Liquid actually makes a lot of sense. They would give him the chance to play in PL along with doing more foreign events. TL has the money to pick him up and is needing more non zerg players (they have 2). EG also makes sense but I doubt they have the money after all big pickups they have made.
On January 04 2013 06:35 bourne117 wrote: I think Liquid actually makes a lot of sense. They would give him the chance to play in PL along with doing more foreign events. TL has the money to pick him up and is needing more non zerg players (they have 2). EG also makes sense but I doubt they have the money after all big pickups they have made.
EG clearly has a license to print their own dirty money. To doubt they have enough of it would be foolish
On January 04 2013 07:15 Deathmanbob wrote: GL parting, anyone know when players can go between Gom and Kespa? if its soon it be weird to see him go kespa
Its still one more year, but he is not part of an ESF team anymore, so I dont think the rule is applicable in his case.
On January 03 2013 20:41 sVnteen wrote: oh god pls don't join liquid or eg I'll be happy with pretty much anything else (kespa is still not allowed right?)
On January 04 2013 07:15 Deathmanbob wrote: GL parting, anyone know when players can go between Gom and Kespa? if its soon it be weird to see him go kespa
Its still one more year, but he is not part of an ESF team anymore, so I dont think the rule is applicable in his case.
If so, the rule just doesn't apply because you just have to leave your team, wait two days and sign with a Kespa team? No, he can't.
On January 03 2013 20:41 sVnteen wrote: oh god pls don't join liquid or eg I'll be happy with pretty much anything else (kespa is still not allowed right?)
what would be wrong with Liquid Parting?
EG and TL basically strive to be each other and have more similarities than differences. They've basically been one-upping each other since early 2011. The most obvious example is how they approach the business and marketing aspect.
With that said, would love to see Liquid'PartinG. Would be one of the coolest clan tag/usernames ever.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
I guess EG is just appealing.
Hell, who wouldn't want a fat check and an organization that has no strict practice schedule, and that couldn't give 2 shits about if you win or lose as long as you wear their logo, make some tweets, and do a commercial or two.
Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
Seems kind of unfair- the Koreans are forced to work hard while the foreign pros get to mess around.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
There's a thread on reddit, with a screenshot from Thorzain's stream, featuring who appears to be Parting in the background, visiting the EG house... I don't think anyone is surprised...
PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
What's dirty money?
Good players should be paid suitably in every Pro sports.
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
What's dirty money?
Good players should be paid suitably in every Pro sports.
In other sports, there are rules to prevent the rich teams from poaching all the best talent after the teams which have invested in them when they were nobodies turn them into huge stars. The teams that grow the talent get healthy transfer fees even after their contracts have run out, if the player wants to go to another team.
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
Hm that's weird for one thing. Wouldn't he be added for round 2 of proleague, but in the roster changes he was not added so he wouldn't be playing.
On January 04 2013 11:51 sitromit wrote: There's a thread on reddit, with a screenshot from Thorzain's stream, featuring who appears to be Parting in the background, visiting the EG house... I don't think anyone is surprised...
He's obviously there just to pick JYP and HuK's brain on how to play Protoss.
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
Hm that's weird for one thing. Wouldn't he be added for round 2 of proleague, but in the roster changes he was not added so he wouldn't be playing.
Not necessarily. It's possible the contract couldn't be finalized before the roster deadline for round 2. Not saying he's going to EG, just producing a counter-argument.
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
Hm that's weird for one thing. Wouldn't he be added for round 2 of proleague, but in the roster changes he was not added so he wouldn't be playing.
Maybe they didnt finalize the deal in time to add him to roster or maybe they havnt quite finalized the deal yet.
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
Damn straight! These greedy progamers need to stop being so materialistic and worried about their own finances and just play the game, preferably with no salary so that eSports can grow faster!
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
What's dirty money?
Good players should be paid suitably in every Pro sports.
In other sports, there are rules to prevent the rich teams from poaching all the best talent after the teams which have invested in them when they were nobodies turn them into huge stars. The teams that grow the talent get healthy transfer fees even after their contracts have run out, if the player wants to go to another team.
It's not Parting stopped his contract with ST one-sidedly.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
That was not permanent.
What do you mean not permanent? There's no KESPA clause anymore.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
That was not permanent.
What do you mean not permanent? There's no KESPA clause anymore.
He thinks a year "loaned" is not permanent. But esports contracts are a year (or less) anyway, and we've seen time and time again a player cannot be compelled to join or stay on a team if they do not want to. So really this should just be considered as an unreserved move to EG, and a suggestion he may return to T8 afterwards if he doesn't like it.
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
What's dirty money?
Good players should be paid suitably in every Pro sports.
In other sports, there are rules to prevent the rich teams from poaching all the best talent after the teams which have invested in them when they were nobodies turn them into huge stars. The teams that grow the talent get healthy transfer fees even after their contracts have run out, if the player wants to go to another team.
It's not Parting stopped his contract with ST one-sidedly.
He fulfilled it, then start a new one.
I can't find where's wrong in this case.
I don't think you understand. In Soccer, for example, even after a player's contract has expired, a new team who wants to transfer him has to pay a transfer fee to his original club. This is to protect the smaller teams who grow the talent, from losing all their players to rich teams without any compensation for all the years they invested into those players, as soon as the players become successful.
On January 03 2013 09:03 DrPandaPhD wrote: The biggest teamchange in a while. He's such toptier player. Wonder where he will go, hopefully not a foreign team. Feel like StarTale is so stacked with talent so feel like he would get the best practice there.
Jaedong went to EG a month ago.....
That was not permanent.
What do you mean not permanent? There's no KESPA clause anymore.
He thinks a year "loaned" is not permanent. But esports contracts are a year (or less) anyway, and we've seen time and time again a player cannot be compelled to join or stay on a team if they do not want to. So really this should just be considered as an unreserved move to EG, and a suggestion he may return to T8 afterwards if he doesn't like it.
KeSPA is like any other professional sports. Even if player's contract expired, your own team still have advantages to sign you first, other teams will have to pay more or simply wait in line compared to prior team. Let alone Jaedong's contract may not expire after one year, in that case, transfer fee will be a problem.
Parting worked hard and achieved great things to deserve a salary which Startale was unable to match. good for him. I am guessing EG since they need a protoss and seem to have deep pockets... idra, huk, thorzain, stephano, revival, AND je-fucking-dong lol.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
I guess EG is just appealing.
Hell, who wouldn't want a fat check and an organization that has no strict practice schedule, and that couldn't give 2 shits about if you win or lose as long as you wear their logo, make some tweets, and do a commercial or two.
Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
What's dirty money?
Good players should be paid suitably in every Pro sports.
In other sports, there are rules to prevent the rich teams from poaching all the best talent after the teams which have invested in them when they were nobodies turn them into huge stars. The teams that grow the talent get healthy transfer fees even after their contracts have run out, if the player wants to go to another team.
It's not Parting stopped his contract with ST one-sidedly.
He fulfilled it, then start a new one.
I can't find where's wrong in this case.
I don't think you understand. In Soccer, for example, even after a player's contract has expired, a new team who wants to transfer him has to pay a transfer fee to his original club. This is to protect the smaller teams who grow the talent, from losing all their players to rich teams without any compensation for all the years they invested into those players, as soon as the players become successful.
Soccer is not the only pro sports on this planet. Never heard transfer fee in NBA and many other leagues.
Even in Korea and Japan's other sports leagues,a player fulfilled his last contract often transfer to another team freely.
On January 04 2013 12:52 sitromit wrote: I don't think you understand. In Soccer, for example, even after a player's contract has expired, a new team who wants to transfer him has to pay a transfer fee to his original club. This is to protect the smaller teams who grow the talent, from losing all their players to rich teams without any compensation for all the years they invested into those players, as soon as the players become successful.
What? If a player's contract has expired, he gets to walk for free to another club. Other clubs do no not have to pay any transfer fees. Bosman Ruling. This is why clubs start contract negotiations ~18 months before the end of a contract so that if contract talks break down, they can put the player on the market to earn the transfer fee.
Edit: VV post below: maybe check the second post of the previous page. It's been posted.
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
"Dirty cash" or in other words, sponsors, could have really helped out TSL.
On January 03 2013 13:55 UnKooL wrote: Translation of thisisgame.com article:
Startale's Protoss Representative Parting left the team.
On the 3rd Startale released a press release stating Parting left the team after his contract came to an end and is pursuing to join a new team. In the latter half of 2012 Parting won BWC and WCG and showed great skill, but after talks with Coach Won on the midnight of December 3rd he made the decision to no longer stay with the team and Coach Won respected his decision and let him go in peace.
Coach Won of Startale had this to say to thisisgame: "I am very thankful to Parting for putting in a lot of effort during his time living side by side with Startale and wish him good results no matter what team he joins".
Paring who made the decision to leave Startale stated" Startale is a great team, but I want to experience much more things while I'm still young. I am very thankful toward Coach Won who put gave me so much attention".
Meanwhile Parting who is now teamless has not made a decision on which team he will join, but looks to find a new team very soon.
Based on this Parting goes full foreigner() and joins a foreign team where he will be their ace. I can see a foreign team thats solid, but doesnt have an uber ace like Complexity or Fnatic to pick him up.
On January 04 2013 13:33 spena wrote: not sure if posted already, via reddit:
On January 04 2013 12:18 PhoenixVoid wrote: PartinG wanted the dirty cash, he'll get the dirty cash in EG. Could still be Liquid, I mean, they share the team house, or maybe he just wanted to have fun and drink some free Monster.
What's dirty money?
Good players should be paid suitably in every Pro sports.
In other sports, there are rules to prevent the rich teams from poaching all the best talent after the teams which have invested in them when they were nobodies turn them into huge stars. The teams that grow the talent get healthy transfer fees even after their contracts have run out, if the player wants to go to another team.
It's not Parting stopped his contract with ST one-sidedly.
He fulfilled it, then start a new one.
I can't find where's wrong in this case.
I don't think you understand. In Soccer, for example, even after a player's contract has expired, a new team who wants to transfer him has to pay a transfer fee to his original club. This is to protect the smaller teams who grow the talent, from losing all their players to rich teams without any compensation for all the years they invested into those players, as soon as the players become successful.
Soccer is not the only pro sports on this planet. Never heard transfer fee in NBA and many other leagues.
Even in Korea and Japan's other sports leagues,a player fulfilled his last contract often transfer to another team freely.
Yes, but kespa rules traditionally have put in place a transfer penalty, and a much steeper one than that of soccer, at that.
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
I guess EG is just appealing.
Hell, who wouldn't want a fat check and an organization that has no strict practice schedule, and that couldn't give 2 shits about if you win or lose as long as you wear their logo, make some tweets, and do a commercial or two.
Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
On January 03 2013 12:00 LingBlingBling wrote: I hope he does not go to EG, Seems like Koreans don't get enough practice on EG, they get paid well, but the Korean team train environment is 20x better then anything EG could provide.
I guess EG is just appealing.
Hell, who wouldn't want a fat check and an organization that has no strict practice schedule, and that couldn't give 2 shits about if you win or lose as long as you wear their logo, make some tweets, and do a commercial or two.
Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
Poor Stephano :x
Nah, he said that this is only for the Koreans on EG
On January 05 2013 00:49 speknek wrote: Hope he doesn't join EG
Me too Hate seeing so many good players just merge in one place. Makes the scene less fun.
I'm mixed on this. Yes, having all the good players on team does make certain leagues like IPTL less interesting, but at the same time, EG has shown the ability to be consistent in sending their players to tournaments. Parting, regardless of how static a certain PvZ build may be, is a top player and deserves the pay and exposure of such a talent, something that EG also consistently shows its capable of.
While him joining other teams creates an element of "Whoa, that's pretty awesome," I feel that him going to EG is the best thing for him. He gets to travel, gets paid, gets to train and play in Korea, and will boost of FPL team ).
On January 04 2013 05:59 EG.lectR wrote: Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
Seven days a week? LOL give them one free day!
Parting will get to any team I guess. If EG is signing him, I am starting to wonder who they will throw out of their roster, or will they split the team?
On January 04 2013 05:59 EG.lectR wrote: Those Koreans on EG that you're talking about actually have a very strict practice schedule (much more so than in our NA house). They are not allowed to live in the house unless they commit 8 hours a day to training. They have designated break times, designated practice partner times, designated free play time (i.e. streaming), and do all of this seven days a week.
In addition to that, our Korean coach (Trot) tracks the hours they spend practicing and reports those hours to our GM daily. He also evaluates the players every other day with our GM in a personal manner. From reporting about Proleague matches, to discussing roster draws, to informing our management of any additional needs or suggestions from our players, the conversation between our Korea house and our core management is ongoing.
So no, I'd say we have quite the practice schedule and that we do "give two shits about winning or losing."
Seven days a week? LOL give them one free day!
Parting will get to any team I guess. If EG is signing him, I am starting to wonder who they will throw out of their roster, or will they split the team?
they sort of have an international team and a korean team at this point
hopefully no eg pickup,.. they got to many players already imo (still wouldnt know whom to kick off the team, they are all awesome ) azubu would be my guess
On January 05 2013 04:50 Oboeman wrote: maybe he's just using his bags of money to spend some time off and travel the world or pursue his childhood passion of painting or something
On January 05 2013 05:14 Inzan1ty wrote: fnaticRC.PartinG fnaticRC.Polt fnaticRC.SuperNoVa fnaticRC.HyuN fnaticRC.SymboL fnaticRC.aLive fnaticRC.Oz
fnatic to proceed crushing both EG and Liquid,like they did in all encounters in 2012
seriously screw EG, no one wants to see them adding even more players...
I can see them getting SuperNova and Parting, but they cannot afford the rest. Fnatic isn't that big. Also now, would be a good time for SK to expand their roster beyond just MC.
On January 05 2013 04:50 Oboeman wrote: maybe he's just using his bags of money to spend some time off and travel the world or pursue his childhood passion of painting or something
YOU FUCKING RETARDED PARTING?! So sad to see one of my favorite players leave my favorite team Good luck in the future, but i don't think he'll fit in anywhere else nearly as well...
Parting would never sign to Karont3. Unless he only wants to participate in the European scene. I suppose Parting wants to have more freedom to enter foreign tourneys, although it seemed ST did a fair job of that.
EG is most likely. They only have 2 Protoss, each of which have flashes of greatness but are inconsistent. So if EG is thinking about their future in Korea, it is only feasible that they see the gaping hole in their lineup. Parting would be the ultimate solution. Although I believe their terran situation is just as dire. Oh well.
From what I've heard, this joke got old the second I checked the page because 90% of the posts start with "From what I've heard" Take that for what it's worth.
I've heard Parting is quitting pro-gaming and will become one of the feature Ancient Astronaut theorists on the Ancient Aliens program on the History Channel. He, as an AAT, contends that Koreans in the distant past were altered by an otherworldly power to become masters of soul infused timing attacks! Full feature documentary will be released next month!
Not sure who Parting is going to join. Especially at this moment it seems a lot of good players are struggling to find a good team and many of those good teams already have a lot of players and don't want to get more. While other teams even don't have the money to pay a top player like Parting.
On January 07 2013 08:04 revel8 wrote: Everyone making jokes in this thread!
Parting leaves Startale to chase the dirty money! Does this mean Parting has Souled Out?
It's only dirty money if he join EG
I'm not sure what team would take him. He's probably asking for so much. I don't actually see him joining a team any time soon tbh unless it's a kespa team.
On January 04 2013 17:23 Freezd wrote: EG - Korean team with Foreign Sponsors is gonna fail eventually. The only reason people watched EG was because of foreigners/personalities.
On January 04 2013 17:23 Freezd wrote: EG - Korean team with Foreign Sponsors is gonna fail eventually. The only reason people watched EG was because of foreigners/personalities.
On January 04 2013 17:23 Freezd wrote: EG - Korean team with Foreign Sponsors is gonna fail eventually. The only reason people watched EG was because of foreigners/personalities.
says the guy with the prime badge
says the guy with the EG badge
EG is not going to fail are you insane. They are so good at keeping there sponsors happy. They pretty much the only team where an average TL user can say all there sponsors. EG will keep growing and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if EG actually became the most successfully sc2 team in the world. (financial and results)
EG getting a strong lineup of Korean players doesn't make them less appealing to their old fans, it brings in new fans who like players like Jaedong and Revival. Fans of Korean teams will warm up to them since they are putting so much effort into Proleague with getting their own training facility and recruiting good KR players. As someone who didn't used to really like EG I now have more respect for them after starting to play PL and recruiting someone like Revival who is VERY GOOD but not very famous.
As long as their personalities are still visible in the scene they don't lose fans.
On January 04 2013 17:23 Freezd wrote: EG - Korean team with Foreign Sponsors is gonna fail eventually. The only reason people watched EG was because of foreigners/personalities.
On January 09 2013 11:17 Dodgin wrote: EG getting a strong lineup of Korean players doesn't make them less appealing to their old fans, it brings in new fans who like players like Jaedong and Revival. Fans of Korean teams will warm up to them since they are putting so much effort into Proleague with getting their own training facility and recruiting good KR players. As someone who didn't used to really like EG I now have more respect for them after starting to play PL and recruiting someone like Revival who is VERY GOOD but not very famous.
As long as their personalities are still visible in the scene they don't lose fans.
This. I used to HATE EG. It wasn't because I hated them just for kicks, I saw statements made by their players about imbalances back in beta and the general trend of ridiculousness that was their recruiting of already famous players and then the "EG Curse" striking said players. Recently, and by that I mean in the last 6-10 months a lot of this happened, EG changed the way they work with recruiting, they started recruiting players that made sense for the team, rather than what seemed to be haphazard pick ups by them. They tried to stay out drama as much as possible, even when the SlayerS-EG pact ended, and their pickups have gotten better results as of late. I have a lot of respect for EG now more than ever with the EG-TL proleague thing going and the amount of foreign fans they have brought into the Korean scene. I just really like where they are going, and where they are going isn't alienating the old fans.
On January 09 2013 12:22 Ewok wrote: If Parting went EG I'd fall out of my chair laughing.
There's definitely a good chance of this happening. Originally, liquid seemed kinda likely, but if Snute is going there, EG seems to be where the smart money is at. Note that I'm wildly speculating and am probably 100% wrong lol
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