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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
December 07 2012 08:55 GMT
#41
On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:
Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft.

But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'....

I don't even know what to say.

EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.

It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles.

Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
December 07 2012 09:05 GMT
#42
On December 07 2012 17:55 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:
On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:
Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft.

But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'....

I don't even know what to say.

EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.

It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles.

Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there.


Jaedong, at his peak, was touchable. Flash was not. Pretty much the main difference. At the end of the day, Flash will always be better. It's an insult to JD and Flash to compare teammates/practice partners, because any BW fan would know that it's not about how good your partner is, it's about how good YOU are. Stork was probably the greatest PvT player ever, but who did he really practice with since 2005?
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
ZerglingTwins
Profile Joined October 2012
United States850 Posts
December 07 2012 09:08 GMT
#43
On December 07 2012 18:05 Caladbolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 17:55 Tachion wrote:
On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:
On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:
Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft.

But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'....

I don't even know what to say.

EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.

It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles.

Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there.


Jaedong, at his peak, was touchable. Flash was not. Pretty much the main difference. At the end of the day, Flash will always be better. It's an insult to JD and Flash to compare teammates/practice partners, because any BW fan would know that it's not about how good your partner is, it's about how good YOU are. Stork was probably the greatest PvT player ever, but who did he really practice with since 2005?


The races they were playing played a huge role in who get more titles.
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ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
December 07 2012 09:09 GMT
#44
On December 07 2012 18:05 Caladbolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 17:55 Tachion wrote:
On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:
On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:
Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft.

But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'....

I don't even know what to say.

EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.

It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles.

Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there.


Jaedong, at his peak, was touchable. Flash was not. Pretty much the main difference. At the end of the day, Flash will always be better. It's an insult to JD and Flash to compare teammates/practice partners, because any BW fan would know that it's not about how good your partner is, it's about how good YOU are. Stork was probably the greatest PvT player ever, but who did he really practice with since 2005?


I agree that I'm just bitching. But that doesn't mask the fact that most of the winners' interviews in semis/quarters/finals, JD always ended up thanking random B-teamers (who probably had to play team melee just to get him some legitimate practice) and Flash kept thanking people like EffOrt or Hydra or ZerO. Talent is good, but practice matters. You wouldn't expect Flash to win OSLs like a boss if you locked him in a corner of the KT house and forced him to ladder on ICCup for a year.
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Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
December 07 2012 09:10 GMT
#45
Great article for a great player. Thanks.
Graphics
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
December 07 2012 09:13 GMT
#46
Acer/Thorin is really stepping it up in the SC2 content area. Me like.
BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 09:16:54
December 07 2012 09:16 GMT
#47
The thing is all the EG fanboys who are going to jump on the bandwagon still won't have the slightest clue just how great The Tyrant is. You can read the thread, do your research, and rewatch the old VODs, but I don't think it can recreate just how powerful he looked when he played.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
oberkapo
Profile Joined July 2012
United States41 Posts
December 07 2012 09:26 GMT
#48
On December 07 2012 18:16 BearStorm wrote:
The thing is all the EG fanboys who are going to jump on the bandwagon still won't have the slightest clue just how great The Tyrant is. You can read the thread, do your research, and rewatch the old VODs, but I don't think it can recreate just how powerful he looked when he played.


Well, it's better than living in ignorance.
Abradix1
Profile Joined November 2012
Netherlands609 Posts
December 07 2012 10:15 GMT
#49
Another fantastic piece of content from Thorin, great work.
Sa1Nt
Profile Joined November 2011
Serbia15 Posts
December 07 2012 10:43 GMT
#50
Awesome work Thorin! I usually followed your Quake3/Live interviews so I'm enjoying SC2 content as well now
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HonorZ
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France858 Posts
December 07 2012 12:12 GMT
#51
That article is incredible !

Truly many thanks... I had nerdchills all around.

We love Jaedong
"If you don't drop sweat today you'll drop tears tomorrow"
NightElf
Profile Joined July 2012
Bangladesh117 Posts
December 07 2012 15:13 GMT
#52
Jaedong is and will always be my most favorite player...
The most amazing thing about him is..You know he will come with his muta,larker and zergling but you still cant stop him...He is such a dominant force..
None excites me more than jaedong...
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
December 07 2012 17:04 GMT
#53
On December 07 2012 17:55 Tachion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:
On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:
Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft.

But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'....

I don't even know what to say.

EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.

It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles.

Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there.


I'd say that Flash wouldn't have been as great without a Jaedong to conquer.
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
December 07 2012 17:42 GMT
#54
When Jaedong has determination he is pure sex. So lay off the doubts and kick ass!
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-07 18:10:40
December 07 2012 18:06 GMT
#55
Yeah he was certainly a good zerg player in BW but unfortunately things don't automatically always transfer to SC2. But hopefully he can do the transition as well as Flash so far seems to have done.
Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
December 07 2012 19:08 GMT
#56
On December 07 2012 15:24 AlgeriaT wrote:
What does "LeeSsangRok" actually mean?

It basically means Two-Lees-War in Korean terminology, AFAIK. As in Jaedong and Flash both have the surname Lee, so when they battle people use this name to describe the match-up. It originally comes from the LimJinRok when Boxer (Lim) frequently met YellOw (Jin) in the early years of BW.
Gene(S)is
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden419 Posts
December 10 2012 19:46 GMT
#57
This was a sick well made article, I enjoyed every paragraph, every line and every word of it!
For the swarm
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 10 2012 19:56 GMT
#58
On December 07 2012 18:05 Caladbolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2012 17:55 Tachion wrote:
On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:
On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:
Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft.

But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'....

I don't even know what to say.

EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.

It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles.

Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there.


Jaedong, at his peak, was touchable. Flash was not. Pretty much the main difference. At the end of the day, Flash will always be better. It's an insult to JD and Flash to compare teammates/practice partners, because any BW fan would know that it's not about how good your partner is, it's about how good YOU are. Stork was probably the greatest PvT player ever, but who did he really practice with since 2005?


You guys and your theory crafting.

They go hand in hand together bud. The reason Flash was never considered a bonjwa for the longest time is because of JD. Same thing applies to JD. Then Flash started to tie together back-to-back wins so the media labelled him a God.

Funny how that works out?

Having good practice partners is very important. Heck, I think I even overheard Naniwa talking about this on his stream the other day and amen!

He certainly understands it. It's one thing to practice it's another thing to get precision practice and this isn't just about your team or who you play for. Lots of the boys are friends with one another on other teams, so it isn't that difficult for them to get their repetitions in especially if you are a big name. Who wouldn't want to get the call from JD or Flash to help them train?

This does play second fiddle to the actual potential a player or raw talent. Hard work ties into this latter process I just described and it makes up a huge piece of the pie. The raw talent is what you tie onto the end of it and ultimately gets the player over the pack at the end of the day.
BadAim
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway879 Posts
December 10 2012 20:01 GMT
#59
On December 07 2012 01:49 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
I've never seen a man so sexy in my life before.



+1
My esports soul belongs to: Boxer | White-Ra | Daigo Umehara | Nazgul | IceFrog
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 10 2012 20:06 GMT
#60
Jaedong was the best player in BW from the period between the second half of 2007 and 2010 . Was the second best player in 2010 and is just above average in 2011 and 2012 . The best zerg ever ( could be argued with Savior ) and the third golden mouse winner ( Nada , July and Flash being the other ones ) . Favours the aggressive and multitasking style , but recently has become slower in his reaction time . Thats all you need to know about Jaedong as a progamer .
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