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On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft. But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'.... I don't even know what to say. EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.  It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles. Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there.
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On December 07 2012 17:55 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft. But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'.... I don't even know what to say. EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.  It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles. Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there.
Jaedong, at his peak, was touchable. Flash was not. Pretty much the main difference. At the end of the day, Flash will always be better. It's an insult to JD and Flash to compare teammates/practice partners, because any BW fan would know that it's not about how good your partner is, it's about how good YOU are. Stork was probably the greatest PvT player ever, but who did he really practice with since 2005?
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On December 07 2012 18:05 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 17:55 Tachion wrote:On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft. But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'.... I don't even know what to say. EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.  It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles. Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there. Jaedong, at his peak, was touchable. Flash was not. Pretty much the main difference. At the end of the day, Flash will always be better. It's an insult to JD and Flash to compare teammates/practice partners, because any BW fan would know that it's not about how good your partner is, it's about how good YOU are. Stork was probably the greatest PvT player ever, but who did he really practice with since 2005?
The races they were playing played a huge role in who get more titles.
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On December 07 2012 18:05 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 17:55 Tachion wrote:On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft. But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'.... I don't even know what to say. EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.  It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles. Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there. Jaedong, at his peak, was touchable. Flash was not. Pretty much the main difference. At the end of the day, Flash will always be better. It's an insult to JD and Flash to compare teammates/practice partners, because any BW fan would know that it's not about how good your partner is, it's about how good YOU are. Stork was probably the greatest PvT player ever, but who did he really practice with since 2005?
I agree that I'm just bitching. But that doesn't mask the fact that most of the winners' interviews in semis/quarters/finals, JD always ended up thanking random B-teamers (who probably had to play team melee just to get him some legitimate practice) and Flash kept thanking people like EffOrt or Hydra or ZerO. Talent is good, but practice matters. You wouldn't expect Flash to win OSLs like a boss if you locked him in a corner of the KT house and forced him to ladder on ICCup for a year.
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Great article for a great player. Thanks.
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Acer/Thorin is really stepping it up in the SC2 content area. Me like.
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The thing is all the EG fanboys who are going to jump on the bandwagon still won't have the slightest clue just how great The Tyrant is. You can read the thread, do your research, and rewatch the old VODs, but I don't think it can recreate just how powerful he looked when he played.
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On December 07 2012 18:16 BearStorm wrote: The thing is all the EG fanboys who are going to jump on the bandwagon still won't have the slightest clue just how great The Tyrant is. You can read the thread, do your research, and rewatch the old VODs, but I don't think it can recreate just how powerful he looked when he played.
Well, it's better than living in ignorance.
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Another fantastic piece of content from Thorin, great work.
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Awesome work Thorin! I usually followed your Quake3/Live interviews so I'm enjoying SC2 content as well now
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That article is incredible !
Truly many thanks... I had nerdchills all around.
We love Jaedong
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Jaedong is and will always be my most favorite player... The most amazing thing about him is..You know he will come with his muta,larker and zergling but you still cant stop him...He is such a dominant force..
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On December 07 2012 17:55 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft. But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'.... I don't even know what to say. EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.  It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles. Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there.
I'd say that Flash wouldn't have been as great without a Jaedong to conquer.
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When Jaedong has determination he is pure sex. So lay off the doubts and kick ass!
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Yeah he was certainly a good zerg player in BW but unfortunately things don't automatically always transfer to SC2. But hopefully he can do the transition as well as Flash so far seems to have done.
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On December 07 2012 15:24 AlgeriaT wrote: What does "LeeSsangRok" actually mean? It basically means Two-Lees-War in Korean terminology, AFAIK. As in Jaedong and Flash both have the surname Lee, so when they battle people use this name to describe the match-up. It originally comes from the LimJinRok when Boxer (Lim) frequently met YellOw (Jin) in the early years of BW.
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This was a sick well made article, I enjoyed every paragraph, every line and every word of it!
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On December 07 2012 18:05 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 17:55 Tachion wrote:On December 07 2012 17:41 Caladbolg wrote:On December 07 2012 16:10 ymir233 wrote:Flash will have my undying respect as an undeniable master of the craft. But Jaedong...augh...<3...aslag;hgahngbh;h39443hyn;a'.... I don't even know what to say. EDIT: Also, I would have bet that if Flash had been in Hwaseung and only had Bee/Dear/Killer to practice against all day and JD got to practice against ZerO/Fanta/the people that Flash always mentions during interviews, Flash would have cracked ezpz.  It's not a knock against JD - just imagine if he wasn't there? Flash would probably have taken 3 or 4 more titles. Seems kinda weird to say considering you could make the same claim about Jaedong if Flash wasn't there. Jaedong, at his peak, was touchable. Flash was not. Pretty much the main difference. At the end of the day, Flash will always be better. It's an insult to JD and Flash to compare teammates/practice partners, because any BW fan would know that it's not about how good your partner is, it's about how good YOU are. Stork was probably the greatest PvT player ever, but who did he really practice with since 2005?
You guys and your theory crafting.
They go hand in hand together bud. The reason Flash was never considered a bonjwa for the longest time is because of JD. Same thing applies to JD. Then Flash started to tie together back-to-back wins so the media labelled him a God.
Funny how that works out?
Having good practice partners is very important. Heck, I think I even overheard Naniwa talking about this on his stream the other day and amen!
He certainly understands it. It's one thing to practice it's another thing to get precision practice and this isn't just about your team or who you play for. Lots of the boys are friends with one another on other teams, so it isn't that difficult for them to get their repetitions in especially if you are a big name. Who wouldn't want to get the call from JD or Flash to help them train?
This does play second fiddle to the actual potential a player or raw talent. Hard work ties into this latter process I just described and it makes up a huge piece of the pie. The raw talent is what you tie onto the end of it and ultimately gets the player over the pack at the end of the day.
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On December 07 2012 01:49 Ryusei-R1 wrote: I've never seen a man so sexy in my life before.
+1
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Jaedong was the best player in BW from the period between the second half of 2007 and 2010 . Was the second best player in 2010 and is just above average in 2011 and 2012 . The best zerg ever ( could be argued with Savior ) and the third golden mouse winner ( Nada , July and Flash being the other ones ) . Favours the aggressive and multitasking style , but recently has become slower in his reaction time . Thats all you need to know about Jaedong as a progamer .
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