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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 03 2012 19:48 GMT
#121
On December 04 2012 04:46 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 04:44 jalstar wrote:
I don't get why you'd make plenty of valid points then put the conspiracy nonsense in so you can pass it off as "it was all a joke!"


beat me to it, couldn't have expressed it better :-s


Yeah, this is the same guy who wrote "God of the Battlefield" about Savior, it's like he was trying to write a similar article about the problems of SC2, got writers block, and decided to turn it into a weird parody.
Kernkraft
Profile Joined April 2011
93 Posts
December 03 2012 19:48 GMT
#122
the mirror matchups would have been interesting
MrJoKer
Profile Joined November 2011
France232 Posts
December 03 2012 19:49 GMT
#123
I'm totally agree with you Ver. Blizzard we want micro ! No Fungal !
@AbeggJip
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
December 03 2012 19:49 GMT
#124
On December 04 2012 04:46 iDoMiNaTe2.0 wrote:
Seriously all Terran players have been doing is crying about the infestor use fucking ravens and ghosts earlier you can't expect to see 20 infestors and then just suddenly decide to switch to Ravens or Ghosts think ahead and stop crying

Do you play this game. What the hell is a raven gonna do vs a infestor when a infestor can fungal.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Alacast
Profile Joined December 2011
United States205 Posts
December 03 2012 19:49 GMT
#125
Finally someone put the time into this that it deserves. Shame it will just get ignored like its many predecessors.
Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them. -Frank Herbert
Talionis
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland4085 Posts
December 03 2012 19:50 GMT
#126
That was a beautiful read.
Bellazuk
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada146 Posts
December 03 2012 19:50 GMT
#127
Another whine thread but this time with pictures and more details. I hope blizz will remove fungal so you guyz will stop crying and will have nothing to whine about anymore ^^ oh wait, b4 that people were crying about roach, about mutas, about ..... so many things but people figured out after sometimes .

And who's the most successful foreigner overall? Naniwa and he's Protoss, not Zerg.
“The only thing standing between you and your goal is the bullshit story you keep telling yourself as to why you can't achieve it.”
Traceback
Profile Joined October 2010
United States469 Posts
December 03 2012 19:50 GMT
#128
On December 04 2012 04:46 Vindicate wrote:
I'm impressed by your dedication to the topic and the amount of effort you put in. That said, the statistics you use are incredibly misleading and biased, as is your general flow. You make some pretty serious, and frankly quite absurd, accusations about Blizzard changing the game solely to make foreigners win, and mistake correlation with causation all over the place.
I sympathize with people's frustration regarding the game. At one point I was very aggravated by what I perceived as the "clear" imbalance favoring Protoss. However, Starcraft 2 and its balance is infinitely more complicated than you acknowledge here and your proposed solutions create a thousand more problems that will be complained about the second any of your changes were implemented. Just as example, could you imagine how much rage would exist if the zergling were buffed? Mass ling is already a great early game defense and late game harass.
My point is that your post, while well written, well planned out, and coherent without being too vitriolic and counterproductive, is sensationalist and misses the point in several places. As noted before me, it is essentially cleverly disguised anti-zerg sentiment, a la the current wave of hatred.

Some of the comments in this thread are funnier then the article itself. >.>
orBitual
Profile Joined January 2011
United States96 Posts
December 03 2012 19:51 GMT
#129
On December 04 2012 04:49 Alacast wrote:
Finally someone put the time into this that it deserves. Shame it will just get ignored like its many predecessors.


the irony is that you haven't read it, since there haven't been many predecessors about Blizzard's conspiracy to empower white SC2 players.
Sevenofnines
Profile Joined May 2010
United States167 Posts
December 03 2012 19:52 GMT
#130
Racist overtones aside, this post is right on the money.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
December 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#131
Dayvie on HotS balance changes: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5966979955:

4. Nerf Infestor quite heavily

Yay timing, eh?
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
December 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#132
On December 04 2012 04:15 snexwang wrote:
I love how most of the people who have replied so far obviously have not read the entire post or, at the very least, failed to comprehend it.

I fucking adore the internet.


LOL reading so many of these posts, I am glad to see many against this post, but yes I definitely agree. Many people in this post definitely didn't read all of this; they think Ver is simply pointing out that Zerg is imba.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 19:54:37
December 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#133
Those graphs made my jaw drop. I knew it was bad, but I never thought about it from a foreigner vs korean standpoint.

Also, I agree. I used to looooooveeeeeee TvZ. It was really, really hard. But it was relatively fair. After the infestor-ling style started appearing and the queen change, it became a dumb 3 base coinflip.

Great read, love the tongue-in-cheek-while-crying feel of the article
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 03 2012 19:53 GMT
#134
On December 04 2012 04:48 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 04:46 n0ise wrote:
On December 04 2012 04:44 jalstar wrote:
I don't get why you'd make plenty of valid points then put the conspiracy nonsense in so you can pass it off as "it was all a joke!"


beat me to it, couldn't have expressed it better :-s


Yeah, this is the same guy who wrote "God of the Battlefield" about Savior, it's like he was trying to write a similar article about the problems of SC2, got writers block, and decided to turn it into a weird parody.


I like to look at it as two different sections, the first part is completely serious while the second part is a joke. It's probably a way to make this different than all the other posts we have on this subject.

This post explains it pretty much perfectly:

On December 04 2012 04:35 jubil wrote:
The analysis of winrates and matchup history is serious (though written in a purposefully hyperbolic way)

The conjecture as to the reason for this (blizzard wants foreigners to win) is not (and is written in a comedic style, ie heavy sarcasm, star wars references, and psuedo-racist arguements)

/endspoilers


Now, you can question if it was a good idea or not but personally I thought it was funny.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#135
This reads like Mein Kampf.
liftlift > tsm
Alacast
Profile Joined December 2011
United States205 Posts
December 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#136
On December 04 2012 04:51 orBitual wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 04:49 Alacast wrote:
Finally someone put the time into this that it deserves. Shame it will just get ignored like its many predecessors.


the irony is that you haven't read it, since there haven't been many predecessors about Blizzard's conspiracy to empower white SC2 players.


I did read it--the snarky, obviously facetious "white boy" part was a bit oblique to be taken seriously don't you think?
Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them. -Frank Herbert
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 19:59:48
December 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#137
On December 04 2012 04:44 jalstar wrote:
I don't get why you'd make plenty of valid points then put the conspiracy nonsense in so you can pass it off as "it was all a joke!"

People often use jokes as a mean to tell the truth. This can't be considered balance whine because "Lawl he joked about white people beating Koreans" and "conspiracy theory".
Anyway, I really like his writing style and he makes a lot good points if you look past the jokes(some were quite good).
On December 04 2012 04:53 Conti wrote:
Dayvie on HotS balance changes: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5966979955:

Show nested quote +
4. Nerf Infestor quite heavily

Yay timing, eh?

Now that the plans of The Empire have been exposed, the mighty Darth Kim backs off. Don't let him deceive you, now is the time to strike.
mrlie3
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada350 Posts
December 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#138
This is beautiful. Salute to you my Terran friend!
Crimson @ Clan CORE | ESFI World Translator
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 19:59:11
December 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#139
On December 04 2012 04:43 Raysdan wrote:
I'm sure if you tried you could take some points here and there about balance, but thats not really the point I imagine. It is damn funny and enjoyed reading the entire thing. Anyone who is taking this article super serious...umm...How are you reading the OP without having a good laugh? It is a crazy conspiracy theory that is meant to be an entertaining and hilarious read.


that would probably have to do with the sheer amount of discussion that revolves around zerg, the queen patch, and late-game pvz at this point in the metagame. even in an supposedly humorous article, it's really hard to take this as anything but more bitching, regardless of the level of irony the OP inhabits.

also, I skimmed the whole thing and I'm really not picking up on the part where it's a joke. his prose gets flowery near the end and there are a few wink-wink-nudge-nudges, but that really doesn't imply anything besides authorial flourishing. I guess I'd be happier if it was a joke because the last bit is absurd, but if that's really the tone it isn't set well at all.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
December 03 2012 19:55 GMT
#140
On December 04 2012 04:50 Bellazuk wrote:
Another whine thread but this time with pictures and more details. I hope blizz will remove fungal so you guyz will stop crying and will have nothing to whine about anymore ^^ oh wait, b4 that people were crying about roach, about mutas, about ..... so many things but people figured out after sometimes .

And who's the most successful foreigner overall? Naniwa and he's Protoss, not Zerg.


Stephano is much higher than Naniwa on the earnings list.

http://sc2earnings.com/
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