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So, there are quite some rumors flying around about my WCG participation. Im quite annoyed that the german WCG staff is spreading information that is simply incorrect.
Here is my side of the story: After I qualified, I was notified that the WCG would be in charge of my Visa tramits for China. A few weeks ago i got the Visa document i needed to fill out by email and i was asked to send the document filled out, a biometric picture and my passport. I sent that within 24 hours and notified them. Then i didnt hear anything from them anymore for some time.
Then on the 14th of November, i got an Email from them, saying that they werent able to get my Visa, because i am from Bavaria, and you cant hand in Visa applications from Bavaria in at whatever consulate they were at. I was then told they would Expressmail it back to me and it would be there on the next day. It didnt come the next day. The mail arrived on the 16th of November when i was not at home, but i guess the mailman was told to only hand it personally or whatever because they didnt drop it in my mailbox or give it to a neighbour. They took the mail back to the center in Nuremberg (like 20 km away from where I live). I checked if I could pick it up for unfortunately it was too late on that day and they didnt open on weekends.
Now, in hindsight i should have contacted WCG staff at this point, thats my mistake.
On monday the mail came around 11 AM. Now, in hindsight, i made another mistake, i didnt open it immidiately but like an hour or two later. I then read that i have to go to the consulate in munich to get my visa, and that the visa service center is only open until 3 PM (I need about 3 hours to get there). So it was too late to go on that day. On tuesday morning i emailed the visa service center whether i can still get my visa because I started getting worried about time. Unfortunately something private got in the way and i immidiately emailed Josh Vögeding (WCG germany head or so) that i couldnt make it to the visa center on tuesday and that i probably couldnt get the visa anymore on wednesday. Shortly afterwards I got an answer from the Visa service center that i wouldnt have even gotten the Visa in time if i had come on tuesday (i would have wasted ~100€ for the trainticket, as WCG would only pay for the visafee). I also asked whether there is any kind of expressvisa, but i was told that they dont offer that at the moment.
Just so you know why it was too late: The Visa needs 4 full workdays for processing, and i would have needed to pick it up on monday 26.11 at the latest, because my flight would have went on 27.11 at noon (in frankfurt).
After i wrote Josh i wouldnt get my Visa in time, he reacted generally very rude and made it look like its all my fault. First he said that i would then have to pay for the expenses i caused, but later backed out (i think) - im not sure whether i wil get any demands here, but i will certainly contact a lawyer if i do. In the contract i signed for WCG national final it says if i "cancel" my participation on short notice i have to pay it, but i didnt cancel it. On Wednesday morning I talked with him on skype, and he asked me tro try to contact the Visaservice on the phone and explain them my situation. I called them and the person I talked to confirmed that it was too late to get it.
I was actually very much looking forward to the event and the trip to China (i love Asia!), and despite what people like to spread about me, i was practising for the event and was actually somewhat optimistic that i would have a shot at getting a decent placing, despite my bad shape.
I think its pretty shitty that there are statements released that simply give a very biased and untrue story..
I am willing to prove my point with emails and skype logs.
Greetings, Jonathan Belke
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WCG has been ran like shit for the last year, i'm not surprised by this at all. Sorry to hear this.
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Well, shit happens. Sometimes it turns bad. It gets worse when people presume negligence on each other's part..
I can off the cuff recall a few other non-participation incidents of similar nature related to players going to China or leaving China.. The visa system there can be a bitch.
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On November 27 2012 03:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
WCG has been ran like shit for the last year, i'm not surprised by this at all. Sorry to hear this.
Exactly, no idea why the koreans still value it that much. Perhaps it's organized better over there, but WCG went from the best tournament (for WC3 when it was still popular in europe) to a side event.
Sucks to hear that you had and still have problems Dark.Force, and especially that you can't go.
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I didn't even know there was an issue between WCG and you. Personally, I wouldn't blame you to begin with because WCG is a horrible tournament that hasn't been ran very well since I first saw it. Last years tournament I couldn't even hardly watch...
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That sucks.  Do you know if someone will be replacing you in China?
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To be completely honest I didn't realize WCG was still running, much less that you couldn't attend. It's been a poor tournament since the glory days of Counterstrike 1.6.
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That sucks DF
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Its not just the fault of WCG, i made some mistakes aswell, i just dont like when people spread rumors about me that simply arent true. I think both sides made mistakes and a couple of things came together which made it not work in the end. The Visa service center for example have only opened very recently, so i guess WCG didnt know about different rules they have.
On November 27 2012 03:26 bokchoi wrote:That sucks. Do you know if someone will be replacing you in China?
No, there wont be a replacement, as the flighttickets are non flexible (at least thats what i was told). Also noone could have gotten a Visa in time i guess.
On November 27 2012 03:25 Stress wrote:
I didn't even know there was an issue between WCG and you. Personally, I wouldn't blame you to begin with because WCG is a horrible tournament that hasn't been ran very well since I first saw it. Last years tournament I couldn't even hardly watch...
This only came up today when someone started spreading rumors. I just wanted to counteract immidiately thats why i made this post.
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On November 27 2012 03:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
WCG has been ran like shit for the last year, i'm not surprised by this at all. Sorry to hear this.
You mean the last two to three years.
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Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice.
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On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice.
Na, i think WCG is still a nice tournament. I mean the format (Bo1 in groups, SE Bo3 after) is oudated, but players at the grand final are treated really well. WCG Korea last year was one of nicest events (maybe even the best) i have been at in my whole SC2 time.
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On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice.
Not all WCGs are the same in terms of ineptitude.
You shouldn't really blurt out these remarks.
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On November 27 2012 03:32 DarKFoRcE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Na, i think WCG is still a nice tournament. I mean the format (Bo1 in groups, SE Bo3 after) is oudated, but players at the grand final are treated really well. WCG Korea last year was one of nicest events (maybe even the best) i have been at in my whole SC2 time.
I think he also meant spectator wise, i don't think the last WCG was a pleasure to watch. I don't remember much though.
Although, now that i think more about it, i think to remember why. They don't show many matches, afaik they have only one stream and show a variety of games, so that you'll be forced to watch other types of games and will miss plenty of Starcraft 2. Not sure if that's still like it this year, but i think to remember it was always like that. Someone correct me fast if it's wrong, but that's what i remember. ^_^ Perhaps it was only for the last day though, but i remember a lot of downtime and needing to watch other games.
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Hopefully you don't have to pay. Don't worry about WCG, most people don't value it highly.
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On November 27 2012 03:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
WCG has been ran like shit for the last year, i'm not surprised by this at all. Sorry to hear this.
WCG has been ran like shit forever bro. This is nothing particularly new.
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On November 27 2012 03:33 darkness wrote:
Hopefully you don't have to pay. Don't worry about WCG, most people don't value it highly.
I would bet alot of money on not having to pay. At very bad odds also :D.
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On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice.
didn't some people also boycotted it in 2010?
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On November 27 2012 03:35 DarKFoRcE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:33 darkness wrote:
Hopefully you don't have to pay. Don't worry about WCG, most people don't value it highly. I would bet alot of money on not having to pay. At very bad odds also :D.
What expenses did you cause lol? If they couldn't get the VISA then why would you cost them any money at all? Seems like a major failure on their part anyway if they were supposed to get your VISA for you, which does sound weird, but I guess it is possible.
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On November 27 2012 03:33 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Not all WCGs are the same in terms of ineptitude. You shouldn't really blurt out these remarks.
Actually they are. Whether it be regionals, national finals or the WCG Finals. They are way behind the times and their administration has always been abysmal. That's me being nice.
Ask any player who's competed in the WCG over the years. They will tell you horrid stories.
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On November 27 2012 03:33 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Not all WCGs are the same in terms of ineptitude. You shouldn't really blurt out these remarks.
Well said. A shame people are thinking WCG is shit everywhere...not true.
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that is just unfortunate those visa things are so annoying
also I wouldn't really say that this sounds like it's entirely WCGs fault, i dunno wether i would blame them for this, and say it's badly run event, it was just a lot of different things going together, german postal service has a hand in this too for example.
Not saying WCG hasn't fucked up in the past, because I'm sure they have and am in no position to claim otherwise, but this isn't really their fault.
Although spreading wrong information about why DaRkFoRcE will not be able to attend and, considering to charge him for what has happened is / would be a terrible mistake.
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On November 27 2012 03:25 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
WCG has been ran like shit for the last year, i'm not surprised by this at all. Sorry to hear this. Exactly, no idea why the koreans still value it that much. Perhaps it's organized better over there, but WCG went from the best tournament (for WC3 when it was still popular in europe) to a side event. Sucks to hear that you had and still have problems Dark.Force, and especially that you can't go.
Because 1st place is $25,000. WHICH IS A LOT OF MONEY. OH and its like 4 koreans against a bunch of sucky foreigners.
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You telling me that you won your spot in WCG finals in the middle of august, they only started caring about the visa beginning of november and then bitch around because you didn't manage to fetch the letter and apply for a visa in two days?
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There's supposed to be pride in winning for your country.
Df fighting~
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That is really sad for you DarkFoRcE. I've always enjoyed watching you play
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On November 27 2012 03:39 monx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:33 Torte de Lini wrote:On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Not all WCGs are the same in terms of ineptitude. You shouldn't really blurt out these remarks. Well said. A shame people are thinking WCG is shit everywhere...not true.
Have you actually been to a WCG tournament?
We had all sorts of problems in Canada in the past.
Sorry, but I've been following the tournament since it's inception and almost every year we hear terrible accounts. Many of which include the refs and how bad the administration is.
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On November 27 2012 03:42 JustPassingBy wrote:
You telling me that you won your spot in WCG finals in the middle of august, they only started caring about the visa beginning of november and then bitch around because you didn't manage to fetch the letter and apply for a visa in two days?
I honestly dont remember exactly when they sent their request for my passport + visa documents. I think it was in october actually. But maybe they waited until they got the documents from everyone until they went to the consulate (and im sure some people sent it in late).
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On November 27 2012 03:39 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:33 Torte de Lini wrote:On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Not all WCGs are the same in terms of ineptitude. You shouldn't really blurt out these remarks. Actually they are. Whether it be regionals, national finals or the WCG Finals. They are way behind the times and their administration has always been abysmal. That's me being nice. Ask any player who's competed in the WCG over the years. They will tell you horrid stories.
On November 27 2012 03:32 DarKFoRcE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Na, i think WCG is still a nice tournament. I mean the format (Bo1 in groups, SE Bo3 after) is oudated, but players at the grand final are treated really well. WCG Korea last year was one of nicest events (maybe even the best) i have been at in my whole SC2 time.
??????????????????? :D
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On November 27 2012 03:46 DarKFoRcE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:42 JustPassingBy wrote:
You telling me that you won your spot in WCG finals in the middle of august, they only started caring about the visa beginning of november and then bitch around because you didn't manage to fetch the letter and apply for a visa in two days? I honestly dont remember exactly when they sent their request for my passport + visa documents. I think it was in october actually. But maybe they waited until they got the documents from everyone until they went to the consulate (and im sure some people sent it in late).
It happens DF. Problems with getting the Visa is actually very common due to tardiness regardless of who's fault it was.
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On November 27 2012 03:52 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:39 StarStruck wrote:On November 27 2012 03:33 Torte de Lini wrote:On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Not all WCGs are the same in terms of ineptitude. You shouldn't really blurt out these remarks. Actually they are. Whether it be regionals, national finals or the WCG Finals. They are way behind the times and their administration has always been abysmal. That's me being nice. Ask any player who's competed in the WCG over the years. They will tell you horrid stories. Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:32 DarKFoRcE wrote:On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Na, i think WCG is still a nice tournament. I mean the format (Bo1 in groups, SE Bo3 after) is oudated, but players at the grand final are treated really well. WCG Korea last year was one of nicest events (maybe even the best) i have been at in my whole SC2 time. ??????????????????? :D
He just said the tournament is outdated. That's one of the points I mentioned when I said WCG is way behind in the times.
As for the refs and administration you have to look over the course of the tournament and more specifically how many nations have had problems with regionals, which are well documented on this website for BW.
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On November 27 2012 03:52 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:39 StarStruck wrote:On November 27 2012 03:33 Torte de Lini wrote:On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Not all WCGs are the same in terms of ineptitude. You shouldn't really blurt out these remarks. Actually they are. Whether it be regionals, national finals or the WCG Finals. They are way behind the times and their administration has always been abysmal. That's me being nice. Ask any player who's competed in the WCG over the years. They will tell you horrid stories. Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:32 DarKFoRcE wrote:On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Na, i think WCG is still a nice tournament. I mean the format (Bo1 in groups, SE Bo3 after) is oudated, but players at the grand final are treated really well. WCG Korea last year was one of nicest events (maybe even the best) i have been at in my whole SC2 time. ??????????????????? :D
It doesn't make much sense to quote a person who made the point to clear things up with WCG as proof that WCG is a well oiled machine...
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On November 27 2012 03:25 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
WCG has been ran like shit for the last year, i'm not surprised by this at all. Sorry to hear this. Exactly, no idea why the koreans still value it that much. Perhaps it's organized better over there, but WCG went from the best tournament (for WC3 when it was still popular in europe) to a side event. Sucks to hear that you had and still have problems Dark.Force, and especially that you can't go.
It's a Korean corrupted organizers.  CS 1.6 WCG07 MYM vs eSTRO, hi hwanni -.-
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It sucks that this seems to have happened from administrative errors.
For all the anti-WCG people out there, it's worth pointing out that visa problems happen to people in all professions. This story is just particularly bad because things moved in ways that look very preventable in hindsight and then the administrative people seemed to blame DarkForce for their own mistakes.
So lesson learned for administrative people out there: stay in constant communication, ESPECIALLY if things don't go smoothly.
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On November 27 2012 04:04 mjuuy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:25 HolydaKing wrote:On November 27 2012 03:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
WCG has been ran like shit for the last year, i'm not surprised by this at all. Sorry to hear this. Exactly, no idea why the koreans still value it that much. Perhaps it's organized better over there, but WCG went from the best tournament (for WC3 when it was still popular in europe) to a side event. Sucks to hear that you had and still have problems Dark.Force, and especially that you can't go. It's a Korean corrupted organizers. CS 1.6 WCG07 MYM vs eSTRO, hi hwanni -.-
Samsung's always ran it and guess what? They're a Korean company with a lot of money.
If it weren't for Samsung throwing money at it. The tournament surely wouldn't be around today without another good backer. They have their own team; they can promote their own brand through the tournament. It just makes sense to them really.
It's one of the longest running tournaments for that reason.
On November 27 2012 04:06 coverpunch wrote:
It sucks that this seems to have happened from administrative errors.
For all the anti-WCG people out there, it's worth pointing out that visa problems happen to people in all professions. This story is just particularly bad because things moved in ways that look very preventable in hindsight and then the administrative people seemed to blame DarkForce for their own mistakes.
So lesson learned for administrative people out there: stay in constant communication, ESPECIALLY if things don't go smoothly.
That will keep happening regardless of the tournament as I mentioned before. Visa problems are one of the most common issues and anyone who's been to China knows how hard it can be to get a Visa there alone.
Samsung will never change it's ways unless something dramatic happens and I don't see that change happening anytime soon.
KeSPA board for the win.
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Add this to one of the thousands of things wcg has done wrong in the past few years.
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Back in the days of SCBW WCG was the best and most anticipated tourney for me. Only for the single reason, that we see the best foreigners playing against some of the best (not always the elite) Koreans. It was so amazing to see how very skilled European players got beaten so easily by Koreans. At least it seemed to look so easy, but as we all know BW is hard as hell to master. In SC2 the skill difference got quite small and the fact that you frequently see Kors playing against Non-Kors takes away my interest.
But the main reason why WCG is not interesting anymore is also the fact that events like MLG or DH are much better organised and planned.
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On November 27 2012 03:46 DarKFoRcE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:42 JustPassingBy wrote:
You telling me that you won your spot in WCG finals in the middle of august, they only started caring about the visa beginning of november and then bitch around because you didn't manage to fetch the letter and apply for a visa in two days? I honestly dont remember exactly when they sent their request for my passport + visa documents. I think it was in october actually. But maybe they waited until they got the documents from everyone until they went to the consulate (and im sure some people sent it in late).
Okay, nvm my post then. I was misled by your "few weeks ago". 
Anyways, then the mistake is that they never anticipated the problems that occured.
But it really sounds weird that they cannot apply a visa in berlin for somebody in Bavaria. I'm pretty sure that the last agency handling my visa also went through Berlin and I'm from Palatinate.
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On November 27 2012 04:11 TurboMaN wrote:
Back in the days of SCBW WCG was the best and most anticipated tourney for me. Only for the single reason, that we see the best foreigners playing against some of the best (not always the elite) Koreans. It was so amazing to see how very skilled European players got beaten so easily by Koreans. At least it seemed to look so easy, but as we all know BW is hard as hell to master. In SC2 the skill difference got quite small and the fact that you frequently see Kors playing against Non-Kors takes away my interest.
But the main reason why WCG is not interesting anymore is also the fact that events like MLG or DH are much better organised and planned.
It was the best and most anticipated because it was the only real big stage for foreigners with decent prize money and we would watch to see if one of our boys could upset a Korean. That and it was one of the only places where we could gather from all over the world other than DH.
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On November 27 2012 03:34 kochanfe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
WCG has been ran like shit for the last year, i'm not surprised by this at all. Sorry to hear this. WCG has been ran like shit forever bro. This is nothing particularly new.
This is not true, WCG was always one of the best esport tournaments in the world, it started to get bad after the economic crisis. However 2011 was the first year it was really bad.
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so is the general opinion here that wcg is good or bad? players seem to be complaining in here, others are saying that its a good tourney. which is it??
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On November 27 2012 04:18 Eee wrote:
This is not true, WCG was always one of the best esport tournaments in the world, it started to get bad after the economic crisis. However 2011 was the first year it was really bad.
Most people here were small kids when WCG was one of the only true places of solid competition. It's not surprising that people with such opinions exist, but the misinformation and general badmouthing of WCG is frankly annoying.
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ah damn that sucks df, was rooting for you! keep fighting!
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On November 27 2012 04:25 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:18 Eee wrote:
This is not true, WCG was always one of the best esport tournaments in the world, it started to get bad after the economic crisis. However 2011 was the first year it was really bad. Most people here were small kids when WCG was one of the only true places of solid competition. It's not surprising that people with such opinions exist, but the misinformation and general badmouthing of WCG is frankly annoying.
I was sixteen when it first started? Honestly read up on all the drama on the Brood War forums. There is a ton of it.
It wasn't because of the economic crisis. Regionals were outsourced and in many cases very poorly managed.
I love it when people speak as if they were there when they clearly were not.
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On November 27 2012 04:29 StarStruck wrote:
I was sixteen when it first started? Honestly read up on all the drama on the Brood War forums. There is a ton of it.
It wasn't because of the economic crisis. Regionals were outsourced and in many cases very poorly managed.
I love it when people speak as if they were there when they clearly were not.
I never mentioned anything about an economic crisis...
Regionals have ALWAYS been like that. Organizations (or small groups of people) offer their services and you have to meet criteria to run qualifiers in your country. I've helped with several of Canada's in the past. WCG does not have the capability to send their staff to every country that wants qualifiers, they have to utilize the local "talent" to do it for them.
Sure, some years, they've had to use a bunch of people that didn't really know what they were doing, and I've heard the issues in Canada (in the years I stopped helping), the US, and other countries about their qualifiers, but that's the nature of the beast. There isn't any other organization that tries to do something on the scale that WCG does.
WCG sends plenty of material, press kits, and other merchandise to help. Whether that support has waned in recent years, I can't personally say, but when I was around the scene, it was just fine.
People also don't know, or realize, that the WCG is the marketing arm of Samsung, and a few others. It's not run like other tournaments. It's more of a technology convention that includes a tournament than anything else.
WCG tries to do something that no one else does, and obviously has to rely on individual partners in other countries to accomplish their goals. I'd say, between the language barriers, local issues in terms of players, venues, sponsors and other factors, they've done a tremendous job over the years; especially in the wake of money being pulled from WCG over the last number of years.
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^ I dont know anything about the tourney organisation but the streams were so shitty for a ''major'' event...
Sad you couldnt go DF!!
Keep it realz!
DF FIGHTING
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The economic crisis blurb was with regards to Mr. Eee.
As for the rest, spot on and Samsung will never change it.
May I ask which Regionals you helped within Canada?
divito as for the scale. I think the scale has come along way over the years.
Back then, yeah no one was doing it quite like the WCG.
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On November 27 2012 04:50 StarStruck wrote:
May I ask which Regionals you helped within Canada?
From 2001 in Markham (was at Super Station? I think it was called), until at least 2003. TFL was the organization I helped with for a number of years. I don't remember when I stopped helping and just competed.
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moral of the story: don't procrastinate
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On November 27 2012 04:57 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:50 StarStruck wrote:
May I ask which Regionals you helped within Canada? From 2001 in Markham (was at Super Station? I think it was called), until at least 2003. TFL was the organization I helped with for a number of years. I don't remember when I stopped helping and just competed.
Oh shit I I met you then. lol
:D
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On November 27 2012 03:44 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:39 monx wrote:On November 27 2012 03:33 Torte de Lini wrote:On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Not all WCGs are the same in terms of ineptitude. You shouldn't really blurt out these remarks. Well said. A shame people are thinking WCG is shit everywhere...not true. Have you actually been to a WCG tournament? We had all sorts of problems in Canada in the past. Sorry, but I've been following the tournament since it's inception and almost every year we hear terrible accounts. Many of which include the refs and how bad the administration is.
Exactly. I've never been to the actual tournament (just some qualifiers in Montreal in a LAN Party) but I remember having some qualifiers in Montreal and they were not even able to send the people who won the qualifiers the actual tournament or region finals or something like that. Canada isn't better in term of WCG. Did they even send the players who won in the WCG Montreal qualifiers of Cs 1.6, Guitar Hero, Forza and Fifa to the Finals in LA in 2010??
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yea that sux 
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WCG America was completely pathetic, so I can sympathize with your problems. In WCG Qualifier #2 for this year I was DQ'ed before I even had a round show up in my player event panel. I still to this day don't understand what happened lmao. Tons of other people in coL acad had up to 5 day delays on matches and admins would NOT allow them to get walkovers, impossible to contact support, or anyone for that matter... etc.
It's seriously just a clusterfuck. I can't even imagine having to actually be in contact with the people who are trying to get your information if something goes wrong.
Sorry to hear this is what happened -- too bad they won't be fixing this any time soon.. or at least it seems ..
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Its not that easy these times to get a visa but if you take it seriously and have a good agency you can do it without a problem.
I just got my visa to china for christmas.. well i had a little more safety buffer in case something goes wrong.
I live in bavaria too and i always send my visa application to berlin to an agency which handles all the shit with the consulate.
thats usually the better solution. So i guess the information from WCG was bad in the first place. Dunno if it would have been possible to apply earlier.
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/RANT
now there is seriously NO ONE worth rooting for. at least they still have warcraft 3
oh wait, THEY DIDN'T INVITE LUCIFER BUT INVITED MOON AND SOME OTHER RANDOM NIGHT ELF INSTEAD
#hashtags are gay
#pissed off
#i hate my life
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The statement should be biased, this too! so we the audience can make a judgement. Would be a little strange in a trail if the defendant and prosecutor were less biased so I personally don't mind so much that WCG did that.
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The sensible thing would be to have the competition in a country that doesn't have so many visa requirements, so that it's easier for people to participate without having to go through a load of crap.
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WCG has been consistently bad about these things for every game in many countries since it's creation.
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Thanks for sharing with the community, I think pro gamers doing that is really under appreciated.
I really hope WCG will actually start to get their shit together, because it hasn't been that long since they were the most important tournament in foreign starcraft, and I would love to consider the World Cyber Games (pretty cool thing if you think about it) as a major tournament to look forward to again.
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On November 27 2012 04:29 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 04:25 divito wrote:On November 27 2012 04:18 Eee wrote:
This is not true, WCG was always one of the best esport tournaments in the world, it started to get bad after the economic crisis. However 2011 was the first year it was really bad. Most people here were small kids when WCG was one of the only true places of solid competition. It's not surprising that people with such opinions exist, but the misinformation and general badmouthing of WCG is frankly annoying. I was sixteen when it first started? Honestly read up on all the drama on the Brood War forums. There is a ton of it. It wasn't because of the economic crisis. Regionals were outsourced and in many cases very poorly managed. I love it when people speak as if they were there when they clearly were not.
You can't really blame the local qualifiers on the main organization since they were never truly arranged by them. WCGs local hubs have always been handled by different companies/people/volounteers. Economic crisis were a part of it, WCG cut down a lot of prize money after the crisis, the local organiziers stopped sending representatives in many games (For example the whole of Scandinavia only had one paid seed the year after the crisis, compared to earlier where Sweden used to have 2 paid seeds, Denmark 1, Norway 1, Finland 1.). This lead a lot of teams to boycotting the WCG qualifier that year. This was the year the tournament was held in LA, and I remember that due too the low intrest of WCG that year the organizers minimized the prizepot on the final day because they had went minus by a lot.
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I would rather watch IPL then WCG
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On November 27 2012 03:44 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:39 monx wrote:On November 27 2012 03:33 Torte de Lini wrote:On November 27 2012 03:30 StarStruck wrote:
Everyone should just boycott the WCG until they update their practice. Not all WCGs are the same in terms of ineptitude. You shouldn't really blurt out these remarks. Well said. A shame people are thinking WCG is shit everywhere...not true. Have you actually been to a WCG tournament? We had all sorts of problems in Canada in the past. Sorry, but I've been following the tournament since it's inception and almost every year we hear terrible accounts. Many of which include the refs and how bad the administration is.
I dunno what you're talking about, but I've been to the Canada WCG tournament before (I went to their Montreal qualifiers for this year) and it was relatively pretty good. Some internet problems, but that always happens.
Not the worst tournament and the guys running are veterans.
WCG USA is pretty bad though
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Very unfortunate. I wish everyone would work a little harder
You don't fuck around with visas.
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You have to ask how something that was the tournament, the 'Olympics of E-sports' and something that as a much younger individual I remember seeing highlights of on some digital TV station, now doesn't even attract all that much attention on a site like Team Liquid.
I loved the old WCGs, and the palpable hype around them, the exposure that foreigners got against Koreans in Starcraft etc etc. People were so pumped for WCS not solely for the prize pool, or the prestige, but for many of us it offered a chance to see a WCG 'done right'.
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God damnit ;< would have liked to see you play
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On November 27 2012 12:44 Goibon wrote:Very unfortunate. I wish everyone would work a little harder You don't fuck around with DarKFoRce.
Fixed.
Sucks to hear DF. I've always enjoyed watching you play.
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Well, to be honest, it sucks but u know something often happened, sorry for that
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On November 28 2012 00:13 Sated wrote:
WCS just finished and you've forgotten about it.
And what does that tell you? Besides, how many years has the WCS been around? What's that, they just completed their first year, and it only covered one game?? WCG has been around for over 10 years.
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" after the interview, he told us there were changes planned for Void Ray, Phoenix, and Mutalisk" Yes! I hope I hope! I want my muta mid-late game ZvT back. I think IdrA does too.
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I'm surprised that more people haven't voiced their opinions on this matter tbh. WCG has declined into quite the load of shit in recent years. Bummer for DF; hopefully it'll get to the point that he and others can compete again (albeit doubtful).
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On November 27 2012 03:25 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2012 03:21 ReachTheSky wrote:
WCG has been ran like shit for the last year, i'm not surprised by this at all. Sorry to hear this. Exactly, no idea why the koreans still value it that much. Perhaps it's organized better over there, but WCG went from the best tournament (for WC3 when it was still popular in europe) to a side event. Sucks to hear that you had and still have problems Dark.Force, and especially that you can't go.
Cough* Counter-Strike 1.6 *Cough
CS was like the poster-image game of WCG.. That game was WCG. So once cs 1.6 went to shit and died, WCG went to shit along with it.
WCG has been on the decline ever since.
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On November 28 2012 00:26 divito wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2012 00:13 Sated wrote:
WCS just finished and you've forgotten about it. And what does that tell you? Besides, how many years has the WCS been around? What's that, they just completed their first year, and it only covered one game?? WCG has been around for over 10 years.
Two games actually haha, like it matters. And they'll probably take it up to three games when Blizzard Dota comes out. But yea I agree, you can't compare the two at this point. WCG used to be a HUGE tournament, and it has a massive history, regardless of the problems that came along with that, no tourney is run PERFECTLY, shit happens. WCG is dying down though, bad, and WCS will probably take its place eventually.
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well DF, you was the only reason for me to watch the event so now i think its not intresting anymore ^^ i just intrested in players i met before (we played poker @ takes so i was intrested ^^)
sad but to be honest WCG from the viewer point was shit last years, focusing on mobile games etc .... WCG is no world for sc2 anymore ^^
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Damn shame that something stupid like that stopped you from competing.
And to everyone suggesting a boycott: these are issues with WCG that directly affect the competitors and viewers. They'll drive people away of their own accord if it really is a big deal. They'll be forced to step up their production or else just be ignored by players who don't want to deal with the hassle of signing up and viewers who hate the quality of streams and games. So just don't watch it yourself, not because you're angry at WCG and trying to teach them a lesson, but because it's a tournament that just can't draw your interest.
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On November 28 2012 02:21 Acritter wrote:
Damn shame that something stupid like that stopped you from competing.
And to everyone suggesting a boycott: these are issues with WCG that directly affect the competitors and viewers. They'll drive people away of their own accord if it really is a big deal. They'll be forced to step up their production or else just be ignored by players who don't want to deal with the hassle of signing up and viewers who hate the quality of streams and games. So just don't watch it yourself, not because you're angry at WCG and trying to teach them a lesson, but because it's a tournament that just can't draw your interest.
No, I don't watch it because I'm mad at them. I don't watch it because there is better stuff to watch. Over the last few years we've seen a lot of players unable to participate because they were too busy and it's just not worth it.
We've already seen this decline and Samsung has always been unresponsive to the player base. I know several guys who have given them suggestions in the past. They seem content with how it is.
That's fine. I don't really care with what they do with the tournament and haven't cared for a while.
It's their business not mine.
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I honestly can't remember watching SC2 at WCG last year... I remember seeing some of the WC3 games but the stream quality was probably the worst I've seen, even worse than standard quality GSL.
Not surprised to see this tourney going downhill fast.
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