• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:07
CEST 15:07
KST 22:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down12ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League55Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Evil Geniuses - shutting down Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? BW General Discussion Mineral gathering rate (boosted) for each patch Rollback Netcode in Brood War Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [ASL22] Grand Finals [BSL23] RO24 Group Stage
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10556 users

Team Alien Invasion announces team house - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
November 24 2012 03:12 GMT
#21
The German personal statement from the owner is incredibly direct. Impressive...
PiQLiQ
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden702 Posts
November 24 2012 03:13 GMT
#22
Pretty good gl Ai!
http://twitter.com/lagcats
JackReacher
Profile Joined September 2012
United States197 Posts
November 24 2012 03:34 GMT
#23
Umm you don't charge people to rent out a progaming house. What is with all of these people thinking they can have a few random unknowns move into an apartment then call it a "progaming house" and put a price tag on it? You pay players and give them accommodation if you're running a real game house in return for promotion, results, etc. If you can't make money doing this, you aren't a gaming team. It's insulting to ask people for money to move into some house you are renting out so they can think they are a "pro gamer".
lord_nibbler
Profile Joined March 2004
Germany591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-24 07:46:10
November 24 2012 05:46 GMT
#24
I translated this from their website:

Personal statement by Alien Invasion owner Heiner Knüppel:

Project Mothership or: Let's make a shared apartment for real progamers. And not those 'wash my clothes and cook for me or I can't play' types but actual young adults, who lead independent lives, who have goals and want to achieve something in the world of eSports.

Players who make their own food, wash their own clothes and clean up after themselves.

Many other team bosses said to me that this is impossible, that you must offer "Full Service", so that a good training atmosphere develops.

As far as I know, there are very few such team houses in Europe for StarCraft II. There are reasons for this, of course: too high cost, too much of a risk, etc.

There is the big team house for Millennium in France, where up to 40 people live. There is the small NrS house in Bucharest. Then there is the well-known MoW house, that you hear a lot about, a lot of disturbing things to be honest.
And now we have the new AI house - well you can hardly call it a house, it is an apartment with 4 rooms and a small kitchen.

So is our team house better than the others? In many respects no. We can not offer the players 3 warm meals a day, we are not in proximity to the Mediterranean sea and we can not compare with the super cheap environments like Romania.

So then, what can the new Ai house provide? Or better asked, what makes a pro house?
We believe that it needs the following:
A place to sleep
A place to train
Good Internet and everything that is needed for the players to cater for themselves
This we offer to the players.

There is a bedroom for up to 5-6 players to sleep, a training room with space for 8 PCs, a guest room and Internet connection, good enough that games can be streamed and played. There is also a lounge area with sofas, which are old but all the more comfortable, as well as a full HD video projector for shared viewing of TV series, events and such.

We provide everything a modern pro needs to exercise his profession.

The apartment is not huge, but comfortable (110 sqm). We have a South Korean landlord who actually surprised us with pretty damn good food that he brought several times. And he has lovely son, who also lives in the house and helps us a lot as well. In less than 5 minutes walk there are supermarkets, gas stations and pharmacies. And just as close is probably the biggest plus, the Duisburg central station. In a very short time one can reach Cologne, Krefeld and Düsseldorf. A pro gaming location in the middle of Europe's largest metropolitan area with a population of over 30,000,000. One wants for nothing.

People might wonder, why would we engage in such a idiotic adventure?

First, I want to make very clear, we do not do this project for any financial gain. If good PR comes out of this, that is of course nice for the team and our reputation. But to earn money with it, is simply not realistic and not our goal at all.

We simply want to offer the players what they need, and we do that I believe.

The idea of opening a pro gaming shared apartment had lingered in my head for quite some time now. And 2 months ago when we got our new Korean player ReaL under contract, we took this opportunity and started this project.
We needed an accommodation for Real anyway. But neither have him live alone in a small apartment somewhere nor get him into one of those expensive other houses seemed like good solution, so we decided to open a house of our own.

For now ReaL lives there and soon the current EPS champion Hanfy will move in.
So there is still space for three or four more players. ( To apply for a free spot write to: totoro@alien-invasion.eu)

Condition is, of course, that the applicant is at the skill level of the inhabitants (or higher) and that he only plays StarCraft II. To be able to play in mid-masters you really don't need a pro gaming apartment. But if you are looking for a small gaming house where you can fully concentrate on SC2 you are welcome to apply.

We will probably organize some community events later, where people can stay for a weekend in the house or some meet-and-greet in one of the many Korean restaurants here or some raffles in cooperation with sponsors.
We are going to set up a live stream camera in November, so you can watch them.

There is still much to be done at the moment, the photos are only meant as a first impression.

How is the project funded?

At the moment, like everything else in AI, the project is still privately financed. Sponsors and partners.
We are currently in negotiations with several companies which are close to the eSports world.

Can the community help?

Of course we are very thankful, whenever someone from the community is willing to support us, either through donations or items that are missing in the flat.

You can imagine that the move-in has devoured some financial resources. Currently we are desperately looking for a used dishwasher so that the player don't have to wash everything by hand. So if you can help us out, please write to: totoro@alien-invasion.eu

Thank you,
Heiner „AiTotoro“ Knüppel
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
November 24 2012 06:51 GMT
#25
lol duisburg ^^ you took the worst city from whole area (living 5km from it i have to knew) ^^

ok but then better never go out on the street xD
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 24 2012 07:21 GMT
#26
On November 24 2012 12:34 JackReacher wrote:
Umm you don't charge people to rent out a progaming house. What is with all of these people thinking they can have a few random unknowns move into an apartment then call it a "progaming house" and put a price tag on it? You pay players and give them accommodation if you're running a real game house in return for promotion, results, etc. If you can't make money doing this, you aren't a gaming team. It's insulting to ask people for money to move into some house you are renting out so they can think they are a "pro gamer".



This house is better than no house. Why should there be rules for teams to set up houses? It's not easy to fund a team as I'm sure you can imagine. Money doesn't fall from trees. If they can't afford to put players up for free, this is the next best thing. There's nothing "insulting" about this lol, it's 100% a good thing. The players aren't being tricked into thinking they're progamers by joining the house. They are progamers in their own right prior to joining.
mTwRINE
Profile Joined February 2006
Germany318 Posts
November 24 2012 07:56 GMT
#27
I wouldnt compare it to korean teamhouses, since as mentioned before, most of the infrastructure besides living together is missing, but its a good step. This kind of place is easy to setup and has zero risks for anyone involved, as long as you have a few people dedicated enough to move together.

Its good to see and maybe thing evolve into something bigger.
naggerNZ
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand708 Posts
November 24 2012 08:31 GMT
#28
On November 24 2012 03:04 myRZeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 02:59 Torte de Lini wrote:
Who will be using the team-house?
What facilities does it offer?
Who is sponsoring or supporting the team house?
What schedule or regiment will you set to keep the team-house as it is intended?
Why Duisberg, Germany?

etc etc



use their link to their website


TL isn't reddit. It's not for advertising or for referrals. Having an incomplete or uninformative OP isn't justified just because you have a link to an external site.

Everything Torte de Lini listed is vital information and all should be in the OP, even if simply quoted directly from the link.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-24 09:03:52
November 24 2012 09:01 GMT
#29
On November 24 2012 11:53 BathTubNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 03:13 rems wrote:
To be honest, this looks like an appartment in which a few gamers happen to live. Not a teamhouse.

The article names only 2 Alien Invasion players actually living there, there are open spots for 300 euro's a month (heat, electricity, internet and heating inclusive).
Players have to take care of themselves.

What makes this a teamhouse rather than 2 teammates living together and still looking for housemates?
Its more like the ministry of win house, minus the being taken care of and a lower price.


Heh yeh I was reading and thinking 'Oh so it's just like my old student flat'.


Fun fact, the manager also refers to it as a flat share for progamers himself.
Daumen
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1073 Posts
November 24 2012 13:09 GMT
#30
oh yeah! GoGo ReaL
President of the ReaL Fan Club.
TypeLex
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany62 Posts
November 26 2012 07:37 GMT
#31
I quite like the fact that "Type Gaming house was for profit" when we gave it for free to the players in order to increase promotion and proximity to ESL/TakeTV.
On the other hand, Ai charges their players for rent? So it's like sharing a flat.

Type gaming house included everything including food and even monthly train tickets for the players to go to the Gym and TakeTV house. There was a share of Streaming revenue but that's because we had a team contract so the additional income went to the team while the players made the same amount as with a personal account.


Well enough said, happy that ReaL found a house to stay in, he really wanted to live in Europe for some more time so that's a good way for him. Go go ReaL! Looking forward to seeing you in cool tournaments around EU.
Just a little sad that Ai management choose to dis-respect the hard work we put in Type Gaming, guess that's always easy to point at others without checking facts...
In memory of Type Gaming www.typesc.net
AiTotoro
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany21 Posts
November 26 2012 15:18 GMT
#32
On November 26 2012 16:37 TypeLex wrote:
I quite like the fact that "Type Gaming house was for profit" when we gave it for free to the players in order to increase promotion and proximity to ESL/TakeTV.
On the other hand, Ai charges their players for rent? So it's like sharing a flat.


Sorry but please get your facts right, we never stated that Ai player pay for rent, only player from outside the team have to pay for rent if they want to stay.

And about the rest, please lets not go there, wont bring much....
Ai AlienInvasion , The Invasion began 1997!
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28914 Posts
November 26 2012 15:26 GMT
#33
cool to see Ai be around for so long. they were the first pro-ish team I was involved with and that was in like 2000-2001!
Moderator
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
November 26 2012 15:46 GMT
#34
Awsome stuff. I cant help but think this is actually a much better model than other team houses.
AiReaL fighting!!!
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 18:38:27
November 26 2012 17:40 GMT
#35
Its a very down to earth approach.
They signed Real, he wants to live in Germany but doesnt have an apartement. So instead of getting a flat on his own he shares a place to sleep and work with his teammate and possibly others.

Calling it a team house might be an exaggeration. Atn Cloud and XMG Monchi live together in a flat too and work at the TakeTV flat (homestory cup flat). I would just call it a progaming flat share.


@typelex
i cant find any signs that someone talked shit about the type house. I think type was really awesome and you were one of the first guys exporting the "team house" idea to europe. As far as i can judge the type house seemed more luxurious. So i dont get why you're offended. you did awesome!
AiTotoro
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany21 Posts
November 26 2012 19:24 GMT
#36
On November 27 2012 02:40 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Its a very down to earth approach.
They signed Real, he wants to live in Germany but doesnt have an apartement. So instead of getting a flat on his own he shares a place to sleep and work with his teammate and possibly others.

Calling it a team house might be an exaggeration. Atn Cloud and XMG Monchi live together in a flat too and work at the TakeTV flat (homestory cup flat). I would just call it a progaming flat share.



Well, ofc its not a 300q²m House like others own. But with 110q²m its way to big for just 2 People, we decided to take a big apartment that provide the possibility for up to 6 Players to live and train there.

And yes its not a house like a REAL House, but neither are most of the Koreans and noone calls them "ProApartment".
So we just use the common word for it ♥
Ai AlienInvasion , The Invasion began 1997!
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
November 26 2012 19:35 GMT
#37
On November 24 2012 02:52 tbeen wrote:Koreans are still the best during the last few weeks of Starcraft 2 and will probably continue with their lead.


the hell does this mean? is Korea dropping SC2 in a couple weeks? this is worded very strangely.
MangoMountain
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2044 Posts
November 26 2012 19:45 GMT
#38
On November 27 2012 04:35 emc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2012 02:52 tbeen wrote:Koreans are still the best during the last few weeks of Starcraft 2 and will probably continue with their lead.


the hell does this mean? is Korea dropping SC2 in a couple weeks? this is worded very strangely.

Probably just means that the last few weeks have shown that koreans are still the best at sc2, the wording is kinda weird. Second languages and all
NotoriousBig
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Germany301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-26 19:52:04
November 26 2012 19:50 GMT
#39
So, cool to see a replacement for the type house, also in my neighbourhood, very cool :D

will there be a opportunity for amateurs to rain there a few days in the week, or do you have to pay the full 300 euro to train there?
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
November 26 2012 19:53 GMT
#40
On November 24 2012 12:34 JackReacher wrote:
Umm you don't charge people to rent out a progaming house. What is with all of these people thinking they can have a few random unknowns move into an apartment then call it a "progaming house" and put a price tag on it? You pay players and give them accommodation if you're running a real game house in return for promotion, results, etc. If you can't make money doing this, you aren't a gaming team. It's insulting to ask people for money to move into some house you are renting out so they can think they are a "pro gamer".

Who are you to say anything? The IM house used to work the same way.
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Summer Champion…
20:00
Not-Summer Champs Group B
GgMaChine vs Zoun
Lambo vs Zoun
IntoTheiNu 843
WardiTV694
TKL 218
Rex139
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
TKL 218
Rex 139
Classic 72
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 51231
Rain 2112
FanTaSy 1010
BeSt 666
Rush 458
Soulkey 430
ggaemo 385
Mini 376
Soma 343
Hyuk 268
[ Show more ]
Light 262
firebathero 219
Larva 167
ZerO 138
Snow 134
Hyun 134
Stork 131
EffOrt 128
Zeus 125
Dewaltoss 118
actioN 106
Killer 99
Mind 97
Noble 78
PianO 67
Trap 46
Movie 39
soO 38
Sharp 37
Mong 33
Hm[arnc] 30
Bale 27
sorry 27
Aegong 22
zelot 21
ToSsGirL 19
Sacsri 17
Yoon 13
Terrorterran 10
HiyA 8
Rock 5
Icarus 3
Dota 2
Gorgc12871
qojqva851
syndereN222
XcaliburYe191
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1594
kRYSTAL_273
Other Games
singsing2108
B2W.Neo1084
hiko687
Beastyqt430
Lowko344
KnowMe119
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 46
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 22
• ChaeLyn 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV418
Upcoming Events
OSC
54m
Big Brain Bouts
2h 54m
FEL
19h 54m
Patches Events
23h 54m
AI Arena Tournament
1d 3h
FEL
1d 20h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.