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TIG Source
I don't have the permission to translate this article so I will try to sum it up in bullet points.
- eSF = eSports Federation = 7 SC2 teams from Korea that are not part of KeSPA, namely Startale, LG-IM, MVP, Prime, TSL, NSHoseo and FXOpen.
- Gretech(the company behind GomTV) has accepted the previous eSF president's(Jong Wook Won, head coach of Startale) offer to lead the organization.
- Together with the announcement they unveiled "10 Visions", things the organization will strive to achieve. Relevant ones:
1. Educate players and coaches alike on professional behavior. AKA less drama making.
2. Search for sponsors and other means to sustain the teams.
3. Support for other eSports titles.
4. Cooperation with KeSPA.
5. Cooperation with foreign players and organizations.
EDIT: esfiworld link: complete translation
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This is pretty big news actually. I wonder if eSF will take the initiative to join forces with KeSPA... I honestly think that a partnership between eSF and KeSPA is absolutely crucial in Korea.
The MLG-ESL-DreamHack partnership is also a promising sign of cooperation. I love this spirit of renewed enthusiasm in working together for eSports!
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oh shit!!! gomtv will become kespa 2.0!111
jk, awesome! hurray gretech/gomtv fighting!
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On November 16 2012 15:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
oh shit!!! gomtv will become kespa 2.0!111
jk, awesome! hurray gretech/gomtv fighting!
it's ok, I like mr chae
on another note, this is really good news though ^^
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not sure if i should be worried or be cheerful
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Mr. Chae wouldnt allow practice banning and so on.. This is god
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This is a good thing imo!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well...
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I like it. gom is a pretty open organization and i cant imagine them ever trying to be malicious with this so i can only see good things in the future.
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GOMTV and eSF Fighting!
This is a really good move!
As for "Support for other eSports titles", one can dream of Dota2...
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NBL + BAA = NBA
esf + kespa = ???
maybe it'll happen sometime in the future
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In Mr Chae we trust 
EDIT: As long as Mr Chae is involved I think the best interests of the players will always be a big priority, with him having been a pro/competitive gamer back in the day.
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yay!!
we love mr. Chae!
love gom
<3
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I don't think this is good for the scene. It would be much better if there was only one organization like this between all korean proteams
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"Cautiously optimistic" is also the word I would use. This seems like a very good thing, but there is a potential for it to all go wrong down the line too. Hopefully it works out for the better.
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On November 16 2012 15:24 Entirety wrote:
This is pretty big news actually. I wonder if eSF will take the initiative to join forces with KeSPA... I honestly think that a partnership between eSF and KeSPA is absolutely crucial in Korea.
The MLG-ESL-DreamHack partnership is also a promising sign of cooperation. I love this spirit of renewed enthusiasm in working together for eSports!
eSF was made to fight Kespa though so teaming up with kespa to fight kespa doesnt make sense
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
I like how they call it a "vision" and "ultimately aiming" for it...
"Vision" like it was something complicated like a superconductor and not just putting one and one together.
"Ultimately aiming for a unified League" like there were any real drawbacks to it ("we don't like each other" doesn't count) and not the obviously best next step for both sides.
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On November 16 2012 16:06 Fenrax wrote:I like how they call it a "vision" and "ultimately aiming" for it... "Vision" like it was something complicated like a superconductor and not just putting one and one together. "Ultimately aiming for a unified League" like there were any real drawbacks to it ("we don't like each other" doesn't count) and not the obviously best next step for both sides.
Does negativity ooze out of your pores too? Geez lol! What exactly would you expect?
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OMFG, this is exactly what the the korean scene needs. Hopefully that can really teach the teams the business side of things. Now bring back the MLG/GSL partnership and we have a world wide united tourny scene for sc2, and Kespa.....
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On November 16 2012 16:18 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 16:06 Fenrax wrote:I like how they call it a "vision" and "ultimately aiming" for it... "Vision" like it was something complicated like a superconductor and not just putting one and one together. "Ultimately aiming for a unified League" like there were any real drawbacks to it ("we don't like each other" doesn't count) and not the obviously best next step for both sides. Does negativity ooze out of your pores too? Geez lol! What exactly would you expect?
If something good happens like the MLG-DH-ESL alliance I am not negative at all. But this just feels like empty words to me, like a politician's speech in which he promises to do better than his predecessor. The Visions sound nice but they are just words. It is good that they stated them so we know what they want.
But nothing is happening between Gom and Kespa and it should have happened one or two months ago. So what I expected is that the unified Proleague was already announced and hyped at this time.
Their progress is far too slow and both sides are losing money, time, potential new fans and sponsorship opportunies each day.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36957 Posts
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ok now u can truly call it GOM vs Kespa now.
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This seems really cool. GOMtv seems like a very reasonable organization, and hopefully they'll be more level-headed than KeSPA or the old eSF.
8. Initiating cooperation with KeSPA
Initiate cross matches, year-end king of kings matches, all-star matches, and ultimately trying for unified team leagues in Korea
This seems really cool as well. With GOMtv on board, perhaps we will get nice official streams for this.
7. Developing and supporting various games
Expanding eSports scene through new tournaments and leagues with new games
New games? This is an intriguing line. Does that mean that the LoL divisions of eSF teams will be covered by eSF? A lot of KeSPA teams now have LoL divisions, so perhaps we will see the KeSPA/eSF relationship expand beyond SC2.
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On November 16 2012 15:39 stew_ wrote:
not sure if i should be worried or be cheerful
The worse thing that comes out of this situation is GOM won't be "neutral" anymore.
When the ESF players boycotted OSL, it was them and not GOM (yeah, people can be cynical but I'd say it's fairly reasonable that the ESF Players would do it for GOM out of their gratitude rather than GOM forcing them).
Also it was Nestea leading them to do it too. A player defending a tournament that made them famous is reasonable (you don't need the tournament organizer to coerce the players or anything).
Now, GOM isn't neutral anymore.
Of course, on the upside - the above is the only real downside (and it's not much of a downside actually considering regardless, KeSPA doesn't like GOM whether they're the head of ESF or not).
Also this means KeSPA will be much likely less able to do anything drastic against GOM, as long as ESF has star players that bring in viewers.
Personally, I like the clash of ESF and KeSPA.
It doesn't matter if KeSPA end up making a ton of stars, I want to see stars of both clash. Plus, any exclusivity (any KeSPA shenanigans) will leave a negative atmosphere that may turn people off from their leagues.
So, go GOM and hopefully KeSPA learns to cooperate. I actually defended KeSPA a lot. I hope I don't need to anymore.
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Cool, I like GOM, they've tried hard to keep things moving forward the last few years. That said, really hope this doesn't turn into a GOM vs KeSPA rematch (their visions seem nice but it takes 2 to tango), they're both additions to the scene in.. their own ways.
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Good news! I hope this means that Prime won't have as many monetary issues. <3 MKP
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I hope this ends with an EQUITABLE end to the situation rather than an unfortunately complicated GSL and KeSPA relationship.
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At least they are concrete with reasonable goals. All the other stuff before this was basically just fluff, I still don't freaking understand what the first meeting with Blizzard Kespa and GOM was suppose to achieve, lol.
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On November 16 2012 15:47 WindWolf wrote:
GOMTV and eSF Fighting!
This is a really good move!
As for "Support for other eSports titles", one can dream of Dota2...
Highly likely it'll be LoL since they've already hosted a LoL tournament for the IPL
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Should be interesting to see how this turns out. I agree with their goals, and would love to see a team league with both eSF and KeSPA teams. And hopefully they succeed in finding sponsors for their teams, would hate to see another team disband or get absorbed. :/
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 16 2012 16:49 Integra wrote:
At least they are concrete with reasonable goals. All the other stuff before this was basically just fluff, I still don't freaking understand what the first meeting with Blizzard Kespa and GOM was suppose to achieve, lol.
In Swedish, we call it something like a "PR jippo" - basically, it wasn't supposed to achieve anything other than making them look good for talking to each other. At least, that's my take on it.
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On November 16 2012 15:49 jinorazi wrote:
NBL + BAA = NBA
esf + kespa = ???
maybe it'll happen sometime in the future
KeSF: Korean eSports Federation, good ring to it
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Mr. Chae and David Ting are the most positive forces in eSports. I trust them far more than anyone. Time and again, they've showed us that that they are passionately interested in the advancement of eSports and StarCraft II and not just profit margins.
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Goddamn I want a unified team league. Especially if it's Proleague format with one round of winner's league.
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yay! This will be perfect for hte korean scene.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
At least they'll be more professional than the last guy..... I hope.
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good news all around this week. man sc2 is stepping it up!!! HYPE HYPE HYPE
btw the new eg logo is sick <3
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It's now officially Gom vs Kespa... I hope they don't try to kill each other again anytime soon.
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I don't like the "less drama" one, the korean esports scene really needed some drama and ceremonies to put a face on its players after the kespa robots reigned for so long.
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On November 16 2012 17:19 shabby wrote:
I don't like the "less drama" one, the korean esports scene really needed some drama and ceremonies to put a face on its players after the kespa robots reigned for so long.
I think you got the wrong wording, it's not "drama" we want, it's media coverage, even if it's negative media coverage to draw attention. Drama usually results in actually bad consequences besides the fact that it attracts media coverage.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
So the only thing changing is if/when Kespa pulls their players from GSL, it won't be eSF teams pulling their players out of OSL to show loyalty or solidarity to Gom, but because Gom told them to?
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Go Mr. Chae!
Business perspective HOOOO!
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so instead of a player association we get a new kespa?
great job of losing any power the players had lol
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Coaches need education in business too, there is money to be made that pretty much all the teams are really missing out on.
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Mr. Chae FIGHTING! I like the guy. He seems to really care for the well-being of the game, the players and coaches as well as the fans. I know he'll be making the right decisions.
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On November 16 2012 17:19 shabby wrote:
I don't like the "less drama" one, the korean esports scene really needed some drama and ceremonies to put a face on its players after the kespa robots reigned for so long.
if by "drama" you mean things like Slayers disbanding, then no, its far from a good thing.
I'm optimistic about this. GomTV has shown themselves very professional as far back as I can remember.
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Shit is gonna go down between Kespa and Gom, and I do not see Kespa losing.=[
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there are only 7 esf teams left?
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On November 16 2012 15:49 jinorazi wrote:
NBL + BAA = NBA
esf + kespa = ???
maybe it'll happen sometime in the future
AFC+NFC=superbowl
One can hope
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On November 16 2012 18:11 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
there are only 7 esf teams left?
StarTale
NSHoSeo
TSL
LG-IM
FXO
Prime
MVP
I think that's the list.
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There's conflict of interests to be considered here right?
Look at the eSF boycott that aimed to get kespa players to compete in GSL, back then I thought it was fair enough. It was the teams taking a stand. Now with GOM at the head of eSF, I think we can agree that if the same situation were to happen all over, suddenly it would be rather suspect. Is it the teams taking a stand or GOM using the teams as leverage?
I'm not saying evil things will happen, I'm saying that they could happen and we should be watchful.
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let's hope it will repair the scene! no more practice banning and other shit!
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Hopefully eSF can push on now and become even more proffesional!!!!
Good news if it happens!
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Hopefully this is a good decision.
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On November 16 2012 17:19 shabby wrote:
I don't like the "less drama" one, the korean esports scene really needed some drama and ceremonies to put a face on its players after the kespa robots reigned for so long.
They are most likely referring to the slayers clusterfuck and things like that. Players trash talking before games and making ceremonies shouldn't be affected.
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Norway25712 Posts
Cooperation with Kespa? That is AWESOME.
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On November 16 2012 18:23 Martijn wrote:
There's conflict of interests to be considered here right?
Look at the eSF boycott that aimed to get kespa players to compete in GSL, back then I thought it was fair enough. It was the teams taking a stand. Now with GOM at the head of eSF, I think we can agree that if the same situation were to happen all over, suddenly it would be rather suspect. Is it the teams taking a stand or GOM using the teams as leverage?
I'm not saying evil things will happen, I'm saying that they could happen and we should be watchful.
Considering it was Kespa using KESPA teams as leverage in the first place, I don't see where the problem would be with GOM doing the same thing in retaliation, which is essentially what happened.
This has a recipe for disaster though, because with the new MLG/DH/ESL partnership Kespa joining is only a matter of time since the door is already opened with the MLG/KESPA partnership. Then it's literally IPL, NASL, and GSL against the juggernaut that is MLG/DH/ESL/KESPA.
I love GOM and always will, but this is playing a game of chicken they'll probably lose.
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On November 16 2012 15:46 Corrosive wrote:
I like it. gom is a pretty open organization and i cant imagine them ever trying to be malicious with this so i can only see good things in the future.
As much as I want to agree, remember the quote.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
One day GOM may find itself on the other side which I like you and others hope never happens, we don't want a KESPA 2.0 with all that it's maligned with.
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On November 16 2012 13:15 nokz88 wrote:
1. Educate players and coaches alike on professional behavior. AKA less drama making.
Great. Now every player will be saying the same "luck followed me today / I just got lucky"-bullshit in their interviews.
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GOM is one of the few companies I trust to mostly do things rights, I think it's a good news ! Chae is a modern time Yoda.
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Thank you, GOMtv, for all your work and support for the scene! This is a good decision.
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good news im sure GomTV will do a great job as head of eSF
Mr Chae the boss
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This is a defensive move by eSF, they are afraid of KeSPA.
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Fired up and ready to go mr chae!
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Why does everyone keep mentioning Mr. Chae? Chae Jung Won is not the new president, it's In Sik Bae.
"Gretech's CEO Mr. In Sik Bae, who became the new president of ESF"
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GOM have been nothing but outstanding since the start of StarCraft 2 release in Korea and they are an ambassador company for every single tournament organisation out there. This decision is definitely a good one and should be well supported.
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Good news, hopefully this allows teams like Prime to get more sponsors, who were struggling with them in the past.
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Everyone seems happy but I'm really doubtfull of what will rise of it.
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On November 16 2012 20:07 Fyrewolf wrote:
Why does everyone keep mentioning Mr. Chae? Chae Jung Won is not the new president, it's In Sik Bae.
"Gretech's CEO Mr. In Sik Bae, who became the new president of ESF"
Well Mr. Chae is the face of GOM for the foreigner scene.
When i think of GOM i think of Mr. Chae.
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On November 16 2012 19:06 Mauldo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 18:23 Martijn wrote:
There's conflict of interests to be considered here right?
Look at the eSF boycott that aimed to get kespa players to compete in GSL, back then I thought it was fair enough. It was the teams taking a stand. Now with GOM at the head of eSF, I think we can agree that if the same situation were to happen all over, suddenly it would be rather suspect. Is it the teams taking a stand or GOM using the teams as leverage?
I'm not saying evil things will happen, I'm saying that they could happen and we should be watchful. Considering it was Kespa using KESPA teams as leverage in the first place, I don't see where the problem would be with GOM doing the same thing in retaliation, which is essentially what happened. This has a recipe for disaster though, because with the new MLG/DH/ESL partnership Kespa joining is only a matter of time since the door is already opened with the MLG/KESPA partnership. Then it's literally IPL, NASL, and GSL against the juggernaut that is MLG/DH/ESL/KESPA. I love GOM and always will, but this is playing a game of chicken they'll probably lose.
Kespa is evil because of shit like that, I remember the last season of GOM bw just as well. That doesn't mean we should be happy eSF/GOM could potentially pull the same shit. There's a conflict with kespa as a league organisation and kespa as a player organisation, now we're seeing the same construction with eSF/GOM.
I think leagues and teams should work together to progress esports, preferably through some umbrella organisation. It's just important to remember that they each have their own interests and one shouldn't govern the other.
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Once eSF and Kespa join the international group of organisations, the world of esports will be as it should :D
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Whoa, now this is cool. I'm interested to see how this plays out next year but really, really hopeful, I believe this will benefit SC2 for sure.
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I like how the head of ESF bullied SlayerS when they didn't follow the party line, and now they're trying to change their imagine when Kespa is squeezing their balls.
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1. Educate players and coaches alike on professional behavior. AKA less drama making.
Best thing ever.
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Mr Chae might just be what esf needs, good call i think.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
Wow this is awesome news! A kespa/esf partnership would be awesome for the scene.
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HUGE news this is really great for sc2 in korea. I hope they can find sponsors for teams like prime and such
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Austria24417 Posts
Good news I guess if only to avoid stuff like the slayers discrimination.
In terms of esf vs kespa, we'll see. Kespa can be a real dick at times.
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One of the few mitigating decisions eSF could make to get a fresh/er start. From what I can understand, I'm very happy with this.
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Sick.
For all those saying sc2 is dying,
It's darkest just before dawn.
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- eSF = eSports Federation = 7 SC2 teams from Korea that are not part of KeSPA, namely Startale, LG-IM, MVP, Prime, TSL, NSHoseo and FXOpen.
I lol'd
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What in the hell, GUYS, Mr Chae is NOT the head of gretech, please read the article.............................. The head of gretech is the president Chae isnt even head of Gomtv thats Mr Chung
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On November 16 2012 21:42 Legio wrote:
I like how the head of ESF bullied SlayerS when they didn't follow the party line, and now they're trying to change their imagine when Kespa is squeezing their balls.
That was the OLD esf, the ones who FXO spoke out against a long time ago, the latest version of ESF has been much better
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This is huge for esports! Those teams will not only make more money, but the game will be more professional!
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I think it's off that anything other than teams/players should represent a team/player union. eSF also exists to represent teams/players in relation to GomTV itself and that's clearly going to result in a conflict of interest. I hope these guys know what they're doing.
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This is great news. I look forward to see how the dynamics change within the eSF. This, along with the recent teaming up of MLG, DH...et al should bring about some much needed positive change.
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pretty much a given and its great for eSF teams
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- Gretech(the company behind GomTV) has accepted the previous eSF president's(Jong Wook Won, head coach of Startale) offer to lead the organization.
Is this wise? Considering the mistakes made last time and was he not also the head of the organization before esf (not exactly a success either)?
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this will be great. no more drama!
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Won Jong Wook and startales fighting .
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WHY? They should merge KesPa and ESF, there are so many conflicts...
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On November 16 2012 15:55 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 15:24 Entirety wrote:
This is pretty big news actually. I wonder if eSF will take the initiative to join forces with KeSPA... I honestly think that a partnership between eSF and KeSPA is absolutely crucial in Korea.
The MLG-ESL-DreamHack partnership is also a promising sign of cooperation. I love this spirit of renewed enthusiasm in working together for eSports! eSF was made to fight Kespa though so teaming up with kespa to fight kespa doesnt make sense
I think you mean not let KeSPA walk all over them instead of fight because that sounds counter productive when you look at their mandate.
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On November 17 2012 00:31 vAtAZz wrote:
WHY? They should merge KesPa and ESF, there are so many conflicts...
It's KeSPA and we're not anywhere near the time where KeSPA would accept them into the organization.
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Sounds great, GOM, don't turn into kespa.
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Mr. Chae moves further in his master plan too rule the world.
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United States7483 Posts
I think this is fantastic news.
It's exactly what ESF needs.
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No more pretense of ESF independence?
Hell, it's about time.
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i bet they planned this all along.....
+ Show Spoiler +::continues conspiracy theories::
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Hmm well I'm not sure if it's good for the league to represent the teams, I thought the meaning of ESF was for the teams to have some leverage towards leagues etc. I guess it's what the teams want.
"1. Educate players and coaches alike on professional behavior. AKA less drama making." I'm not sure that's a smart thing, people love drama. Maybe not koreans...
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I imagine Mr.Chae somewhere putting on a dark cloak and instructing eSF players all over the world to execute order 66.
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If I had to pick a potential dictator to rule over everything I love, I think Mr. Chae would be a good choice.
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On November 17 2012 01:38 Gurgl wrote:
Hmm well I'm not sure if it's good for the league to represent the teams, I thought the meaning of ESF was for the teams to have some leverage towards leagues etc. I guess it's what the teams want.
"1. Educate players and coaches alike on professional behavior. AKA less drama making." I'm not sure that's a smart thing, people love drama. Maybe not koreans...
Tell that to reddit and their mail sponsor's day.
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They should do something similiar to the American Football League and the National Football League joining forces into the NFL.
The two leagues should duke it out and have an OSL champion and a GSL champion who then go and face each other in in a world championship match like the Super Bowl.
I think the only issue that would come up is having the same guy win both leagues which is rare.
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This is fine as long as a separate player's union is formed. Otherwise, the balance of power will be kinda wack.
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I seriously wonder how much cooperation is going to go on between KeSPA and eSF now. Hopefully though this will help out the team(s) that are having trouble financially(Prime).
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Such an awesome time to be an esports enthusiast. Combined with the big MLG/DH/ESL partnership, all that's needed is for Kespa to enthusiastically join the fold and Starcraft will grow quickly. The viewership of GOM, the production quality of DH, and the marketing skill of MLG will make a powerful combination.
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i think it's nice to see gretech/gom step up and take the reigns since they've already helped so much in developing SC2 before the BW guys switch. They'll continue playing an influential role.
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GOM have now a legitimate way to put pressure on players and their only alternative if something goes bad is Kespa. How is it a good thing ?
It feels like those managers doesn't give a damn about it and just wanted to get rid of the extra work without really pondering the consequences...
Mr Chae doesn't seems like a bad guy ( if he is involved ) but he's not the only one in Gretech.
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it's a good move for esf, they needed more 'business savy' people leading the charge when dealing with kespa and other organizations. Gretech obviously already has those people, and this way the teams can worry more about being gaming teams then doing bushiness with everyone else and let Gretech take care of that end (which to some extent they already were). Additionally Gretech should have a better foot in the door with sponsors for the teams which should help out financially.
As far as kespa 2.0 concerns go, so long as the teams look out for the players it shouldn't be an issue. A large reason why kespa got out of control as far as the players went was because the teams were not really looking out for the players.
With the foreign scene having much more money and influence in SCII I think the odds the players get a bad shake in this deal are much lower then in the past. As if top korean players are feeling treated poorly they can do what many have done and seek a deal with a foreign team.
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This is the moment the great korean experiment with the american dream fell apart.
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I hope cooperation with KeSPA means that they'll have a combined teamleague of some sort in the future
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I like it. GOM adds some needed stability and knowledge to eSF which is needed, as eSF cannot rely on the base of having unexperienced leaders promoting e-Sports, which unfortunately can end horribly if not done properly. Now it is officialy GOM vs KeSPA though, so it might add some drama to the scene.
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...less drama? but we dont want that :O
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On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well...
I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me.
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On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me.
You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa.
I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour.
On November 16 2012 15:39 stew_ wrote:
not sure if i should be worried or be cheerful
I think it's a good thing in a sense that now the ESF both has more actual power, but also is under more professional control. A player practice ban for example doesn't seem likely from now on. Of course, the actions of ESF must now be met with a more critical approach: Does any decision benefits the players and teams or is it used to strengthen Gom's position?
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On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour.
Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea.
That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated.
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Not entirely sure what this is going to mean for Korean SC2... I can't imagine much will change.
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I'm cautiously optimistic.
GOM has been doing the right things from Day 1. They hired Tasteless and brought the foreigner fans in back when KeSPA's biggest concerns were whether or not to rule a game forfeit because a player typed "ppp" instead of "pp". They were forward-thinking when KeSPA was reactionary.
That said, it seems a bit silly for there to be a split and a rivalry in the Starcraft scene. Proleague should involve all the teams, and be administered by both sides, sort of how it was in the OGN/MBC days. This would keep up the appearance of a rivalry (will a KeSPA or ESF team win it all?) when reality the two sides are working together.
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On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated.
Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy.
Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that.
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On November 16 2012 15:40 farnham wrote:
Mr. Chae wouldnt allow practice banning and so on.. This is god
Well now that they've destroyed the lone dissenter, that shouldn't be a problem.
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I don't know... on one hand this is kind of necessary to balance out KeSPA's powertripping, but the existence of this dichotomy is just going to create more conflict...
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On November 17 2012 01:38 Gurgl wrote:
Hmm well I'm not sure if it's good for the league to represent the teams, I thought the meaning of ESF was for the teams to have some leverage towards leagues etc. I guess it's what the teams want.
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Thats a point.
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Sweet. Hope this benefits the scene.
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COMBINE AND GIVE US GOMPA
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This sounds really good, gogo GOM =D
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On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that.
oh please . . . You are really comparing the savior case to what naniwa did? seriously?
Seems like I got the stages of a real esports drama in just 3 posts -.-
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Feels like just shifting cards in a deck. Deck is still the same. Nothings gonna change.
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On November 16 2012 15:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
oh shit!!! gomtv will become kespa 2.0!111
jk, awesome! hurray gretech/gomtv fighting!
Hopefully it won't be anything like bnet 2.0 lol
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oh wow thats pretty nice actually, i hope everything is cool as a cucumber from here on out
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On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that.
The sad thing is that in GSL Up&Downs there is no need to play games that don't matter. Tournament is always poorly made when rules are being changed after games.
GOMTV should had man up and accept it was their fault because bad tournament rules/etc. It's always bad for players when they have to take blame instead of tournament host because of poor tournament rules.
I just hope GOMTV don't do that again and do ESF work properly.
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Cooperation with kespa? in your dreams
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I really really like that.
GOM please make eSport live long
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GOMTV has shown their way to approach esports in interacting with teams and fans, listening deeply to criticism and doing a lot to improve the quality of their product. I think this is a good move, especially for the teams. Both, esF teams and GOMTV, sit in the same boat. The downfall of one of them means the downfall of the other. So this is just consequent dealing of the situation.
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On November 16 2012 15:49 jinorazi wrote:
NBL + BAA = NBA
esf + kespa = ???
maybe it'll happen sometime in the future
KESF
(Korean E-Sports Federation) would be my guess for a title if that happened.
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On November 17 2012 09:58 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that. oh please . . . You are really comparing the savior case to what naniwa did? seriously? Seems like I got the stages of a real esports drama in just 3 posts -.-
Who said i was comparing something?
Korea got a major scandal with match fixing so now obviously they are way more sensitive for something that even resembles it. It is human nature.
When you had a bad experience with something you will most likely be cautious with it next time.
On November 17 2012 10:35 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that. The sad thing is that in GSL Up&Downs there is no need to play games that don't matter. Tournament is always poorly made when rules are being changed after games. GOMTV should had man up and accept it was their fault because bad tournament rules/etc. It's always bad for players when they have to take blame instead of tournament host because of poor tournament rules. I just hope GOMTV don't do that again and do ESF work properly.
What rules were changed? that you can't intentionally throw a match?
What do you want next? A rule for not shitting in the booth?
Yea, the tournament should man up when a player throws a hissy fit like a spoiled child.
Naniwa joined the tournament knowing the format, he agreed with it. He can't just say in the middle of to suddenly hate it and not wanna play.
And even then he did the worst choice possible. Might as well just refused to join the game.
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On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that.
the only thing that changed was that people could go home earlier.
GOM mistake that they let useless games happen.
but well they can pull something out of their ass and people on TL love them cause GOM SO NICE TO FOREIGNERS.
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This is amazing news!!!!!11one
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On November 17 2012 23:44 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that. the only thing that changed was that people could go home earlier. GOM mistake that they let useless games happen. but well they can pull something out of their ass and people on TL love them cause GOM SO NICE TO FOREIGNERS.
This was explained back then and it's pretty stupid to start this old discussion again, when everyone was fine with it in the end, even Naniwa!
So just don't bring up old drama again, that's already been solved long ago.
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On November 17 2012 23:35 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:58 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that. oh please . . . You are really comparing the savior case to what naniwa did? seriously? Seems like I got the stages of a real esports drama in just 3 posts -.- Who said i was comparing something? Korea got a major scandal with match fixing so now obviously they are way more sensitive for something that even resembles it. It is human nature. When you had a bad experience with something you will most likely be cautious with it next time. Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 10:35 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that. The sad thing is that in GSL Up&Downs there is no need to play games that don't matter. Tournament is always poorly made when rules are being changed after games. GOMTV should had man up and accept it was their fault because bad tournament rules/etc. It's always bad for players when they have to take blame instead of tournament host because of poor tournament rules. I just hope GOMTV don't do that again and do ESF work properly. What rules were changed? that you can't intentionally throw a match? What do you want next? A rule for not shitting in the booth? Yea, the tournament should man up when a player throws a hissy fit like a spoiled child. Naniwa joined the tournament knowing the format, he agreed with it. He can't just say in the middle of to suddenly hate it and not wanna play. And even then he did the worst choice possible. Might as well just refused to join the game.
Well I guess he didn't want to play but GOMTV made him to play anyways.
Rules are important for every tournament, fair for all.
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On November 16 2012 16:06 Fenrax wrote:I like how they call it a "vision" and "ultimately aiming" for it... "Vision" like it was something complicated like a superconductor and not just putting one and one together. "Ultimately aiming for a unified League" like there were any real drawbacks to it ("we don't like each other" doesn't count) and not the obviously best next step for both sides.
well ofc from each organisations perspective its easy to get a dumbass of the opinion that one of them could have it all
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On November 16 2012 15:24 Entirety wrote:
This is pretty big news actually. I wonder if eSF will take the initiative to join forces with KeSPA... I honestly think that a partnership between eSF and KeSPA is absolutely crucial in Korea.
The MLG-ESL-DreamHack partnership is also a promising sign of cooperation. I love this spirit of renewed enthusiasm in working together for eSports!
I think it's best to not have a monopoly over the scene
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You should also mention that Gretech is actually a giant talking head like Zordon from power rangers, who runs the organization. Might clarify things a little bit.
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I want some KeSPA vs eSF team matches, like top 5 KeSPA players vs top 5 eSF players.
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I know nothing about GomTV. I bought a subscription for one season and watched I think only for one night. I have no clue about their dealings in esports scene other than that they have a successful show, and what Tastless and Artosis say, which is very little. However, since they are successful, I really hope that they have the experience and wisdom to deal with controversy, flexibility to adapt and help other organizations work with each other. and “spine” to stop any organizations from flexing their muscles. I can’t point fingers because I’m not too savvy with the complicated politics and business in esports, but I’m sure the esports business is like any business, there’s competition, pushing and shoving as well as fluid cooperation.
Everything esports has been in flux. No one can argue that. Everything has been changing, the popularity of different games, the sponsors of teams, team rosters, and even the whole general mentality towards the gaming scene. Some think that gaming will die out, whether it’s gaming in general or a specific game, and others believe that gaming is merely at a state of rest for the time being.
I personally like to think of the competitive gaming business, as well as any other business, as a poker game. Once the cards are dealt, everything is put in motion, when we see the cards, we see all the action. However, the cards, at some point, need to be shuffled again. I’m really hoping we’re either in or ending the shuffling stage of the game. Everything has been uneasy and a little confusing. With an experienced organization like GomTV being put in a place of charge in the exports scene, representing some very big teams with some of my favorite competitors, I believe that this is just another card dealt. GomTV, from what I’ve seen knows what their doing, hence Tastless and Artosis able to make a living in South Korea. Having GomTV in this position can be nothing but great.
@Entirety - I completely agree!!!
-Tommy-
REFLEX_500
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I hope Kespa will slowing fade into ESF, they tried to shut gom for years and don't deserve any consideration as an organisation, good luck to the players anyway, this is good news for them
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So basically ESF has grown up and now sees the necessity of regulatory bodies like Kespa in esports and VOWS to be a better Kespa. Wooooo~
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Interesting...I thought that the players always had some education about making their choices both as a gamer and a professional...looks like this will be a good step forward for them.
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This is a great article, however, the ESFI translations link is broken T_T
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