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On November 17 2012 09:58 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that. oh please . . . You are really comparing the savior case to what naniwa did? seriously? Seems like I got the stages of a real esports drama in just 3 posts -.-
Who said i was comparing something?
Korea got a major scandal with match fixing so now obviously they are way more sensitive for something that even resembles it. It is human nature.
When you had a bad experience with something you will most likely be cautious with it next time.
On November 17 2012 10:35 Too_MuchZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that. The sad thing is that in GSL Up&Downs there is no need to play games that don't matter. Tournament is always poorly made when rules are being changed after games. GOMTV should had man up and accept it was their fault because bad tournament rules/etc. It's always bad for players when they have to take blame instead of tournament host because of poor tournament rules. I just hope GOMTV don't do that again and do ESF work properly.
What rules were changed? that you can't intentionally throw a match?
What do you want next? A rule for not shitting in the booth?
Yea, the tournament should man up when a player throws a hissy fit like a spoiled child.
Naniwa joined the tournament knowing the format, he agreed with it. He can't just say in the middle of to suddenly hate it and not wanna play.
And even then he did the worst choice possible. Might as well just refused to join the game.
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On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that.
the only thing that changed was that people could go home earlier.
GOM mistake that they let useless games happen.
but well they can pull something out of their ass and people on TL love them cause GOM SO NICE TO FOREIGNERS.
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This is amazing news!!!!!11one
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On November 17 2012 23:44 rasers wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that. the only thing that changed was that people could go home earlier. GOM mistake that they let useless games happen. but well they can pull something out of their ass and people on TL love them cause GOM SO NICE TO FOREIGNERS.
This was explained back then and it's pretty stupid to start this old discussion again, when everyone was fine with it in the end, even Naniwa!
So just don't bring up old drama again, that's already been solved long ago.
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On November 17 2012 23:35 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 09:58 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that. oh please . . . You are really comparing the savior case to what naniwa did? seriously? Seems like I got the stages of a real esports drama in just 3 posts -.- Who said i was comparing something? Korea got a major scandal with match fixing so now obviously they are way more sensitive for something that even resembles it. It is human nature. When you had a bad experience with something you will most likely be cautious with it next time. Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 10:35 Too_MuchZerg wrote:On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that. The sad thing is that in GSL Up&Downs there is no need to play games that don't matter. Tournament is always poorly made when rules are being changed after games. GOMTV should had man up and accept it was their fault because bad tournament rules/etc. It's always bad for players when they have to take blame instead of tournament host because of poor tournament rules. I just hope GOMTV don't do that again and do ESF work properly. What rules were changed? that you can't intentionally throw a match? What do you want next? A rule for not shitting in the booth? Yea, the tournament should man up when a player throws a hissy fit like a spoiled child. Naniwa joined the tournament knowing the format, he agreed with it. He can't just say in the middle of to suddenly hate it and not wanna play. And even then he did the worst choice possible. Might as well just refused to join the game.
Well I guess he didn't want to play but GOMTV made him to play anyways.
Rules are important for every tournament, fair for all.
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On November 16 2012 16:06 Fenrax wrote:I like how they call it a "vision" and "ultimately aiming" for it... "Vision" like it was something complicated like a superconductor and not just putting one and one together. "Ultimately aiming for a unified League" like there were any real drawbacks to it ("we don't like each other" doesn't count) and not the obviously best next step for both sides.
well ofc from each organisations perspective its easy to get a dumbass of the opinion that one of them could have it all
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On November 16 2012 15:24 Entirety wrote:
This is pretty big news actually. I wonder if eSF will take the initiative to join forces with KeSPA... I honestly think that a partnership between eSF and KeSPA is absolutely crucial in Korea.
The MLG-ESL-DreamHack partnership is also a promising sign of cooperation. I love this spirit of renewed enthusiasm in working together for eSports!
I think it's best to not have a monopoly over the scene
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You should also mention that Gretech is actually a giant talking head like Zordon from power rangers, who runs the organization. Might clarify things a little bit.
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I want some KeSPA vs eSF team matches, like top 5 KeSPA players vs top 5 eSF players.
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I know nothing about GomTV. I bought a subscription for one season and watched I think only for one night. I have no clue about their dealings in esports scene other than that they have a successful show, and what Tastless and Artosis say, which is very little. However, since they are successful, I really hope that they have the experience and wisdom to deal with controversy, flexibility to adapt and help other organizations work with each other. and “spine” to stop any organizations from flexing their muscles. I can’t point fingers because I’m not too savvy with the complicated politics and business in esports, but I’m sure the esports business is like any business, there’s competition, pushing and shoving as well as fluid cooperation.
Everything esports has been in flux. No one can argue that. Everything has been changing, the popularity of different games, the sponsors of teams, team rosters, and even the whole general mentality towards the gaming scene. Some think that gaming will die out, whether it’s gaming in general or a specific game, and others believe that gaming is merely at a state of rest for the time being.
I personally like to think of the competitive gaming business, as well as any other business, as a poker game. Once the cards are dealt, everything is put in motion, when we see the cards, we see all the action. However, the cards, at some point, need to be shuffled again. I’m really hoping we’re either in or ending the shuffling stage of the game. Everything has been uneasy and a little confusing. With an experienced organization like GomTV being put in a place of charge in the exports scene, representing some very big teams with some of my favorite competitors, I believe that this is just another card dealt. GomTV, from what I’ve seen knows what their doing, hence Tastless and Artosis able to make a living in South Korea. Having GomTV in this position can be nothing but great.
@Entirety - I completely agree!!!
-Tommy-
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I hope Kespa will slowing fade into ESF, they tried to shut gom for years and don't deserve any consideration as an organisation, good luck to the players anyway, this is good news for them
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So basically ESF has grown up and now sees the necessity of regulatory bodies like Kespa in esports and VOWS to be a better Kespa. Wooooo~
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Interesting...I thought that the players always had some education about making their choices both as a gamer and a professional...looks like this will be a good step forward for them.
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This is a great article, however, the ESFI translations link is broken T_T
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