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On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me.
You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa.
I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour.
On November 16 2012 15:39 stew_ wrote:
not sure if i should be worried or be cheerful
I think it's a good thing in a sense that now the ESF both has more actual power, but also is under more professional control. A player practice ban for example doesn't seem likely from now on. Of course, the actions of ESF must now be met with a more critical approach: Does any decision benefits the players and teams or is it used to strengthen Gom's position?
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On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour.
Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea.
That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated.
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Not entirely sure what this is going to mean for Korean SC2... I can't imagine much will change.
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I'm cautiously optimistic.
GOM has been doing the right things from Day 1. They hired Tasteless and brought the foreigner fans in back when KeSPA's biggest concerns were whether or not to rule a game forfeit because a player typed "ppp" instead of "pp". They were forward-thinking when KeSPA was reactionary.
That said, it seems a bit silly for there to be a split and a rivalry in the Starcraft scene. Proleague should involve all the teams, and be administered by both sides, sort of how it was in the OGN/MBC days. This would keep up the appearance of a rivalry (will a KeSPA or ESF team win it all?) when reality the two sides are working together.
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On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated.
Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy.
Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that.
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On November 16 2012 15:40 farnham wrote:
Mr. Chae wouldnt allow practice banning and so on.. This is god
Well now that they've destroyed the lone dissenter, that shouldn't be a problem.
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I don't know... on one hand this is kind of necessary to balance out KeSPA's powertripping, but the existence of this dichotomy is just going to create more conflict...
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On November 17 2012 01:38 Gurgl wrote:
Hmm well I'm not sure if it's good for the league to represent the teams, I thought the meaning of ESF was for the teams to have some leverage towards leagues etc. I guess it's what the teams want.
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Thats a point.
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Sweet. Hope this benefits the scene.
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COMBINE AND GIVE US GOMPA
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This sounds really good, gogo GOM =D
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On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that.
oh please . . . You are really comparing the savior case to what naniwa did? seriously?
Seems like I got the stages of a real esports drama in just 3 posts -.-
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Feels like just shifting cards in a deck. Deck is still the same. Nothings gonna change.
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On November 16 2012 15:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
oh shit!!! gomtv will become kespa 2.0!111
jk, awesome! hurray gretech/gomtv fighting!
Hopefully it won't be anything like bnet 2.0 lol
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oh wow thats pretty nice actually, i hope everything is cool as a cucumber from here on out
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On November 17 2012 08:44 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2012 08:09 Hryul wrote:On November 17 2012 07:59 [F_]aths wrote:On November 17 2012 07:56 Hryul wrote:On November 16 2012 15:44 Zealously wrote:
I'm cautiously optimistic about this. If done right, this could be really good for the Korean scene. If not, well... I'm cautiously pessimistic. I'm not a Nani fan, but their reaction still feels fishy to me. You should try to judge Gom's decision without considering your feelings towards Naniwa. I think that Gom had to punish him because he showed intolerable disrespect to the tournament, the players, and the audience. In my opinion, Gom needed to show that they will not tolerate such behaviour. Well, I already said I'm not a Nani fan. Read as: I don't care about him unless he wins GSL or proberushes Nestea. That being said I still stand by my statement: It doesn't feel completely right because it seems like they were pulling this rule out of their hats. Maybe he needed to be punished but the rules simply were not there. At least in a straight way. It just doesn't seem right - and nothing would have happened if he 4gated. Are we here again? He threw a match intentionally, simple as that. it wasn't even a strategy. Throwing a match is forbidden since its basically match fixing and considering the whole scandal before korea does not fuck around with cases like that.
The sad thing is that in GSL Up&Downs there is no need to play games that don't matter. Tournament is always poorly made when rules are being changed after games.
GOMTV should had man up and accept it was their fault because bad tournament rules/etc. It's always bad for players when they have to take blame instead of tournament host because of poor tournament rules.
I just hope GOMTV don't do that again and do ESF work properly.
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Cooperation with kespa? in your dreams
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I really really like that.
GOM please make eSport live long
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GOMTV has shown their way to approach esports in interacting with teams and fans, listening deeply to criticism and doing a lot to improve the quality of their product. I think this is a good move, especially for the teams. Both, esF teams and GOMTV, sit in the same boat. The downfall of one of them means the downfall of the other. So this is just consequent dealing of the situation.
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On November 16 2012 15:49 jinorazi wrote:
NBL + BAA = NBA
esf + kespa = ???
maybe it'll happen sometime in the future
KESF
(Korean E-Sports Federation) would be my guess for a title if that happened.
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EPT
