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On November 04 2012 13:41 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 13:28 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On November 04 2012 13:22 IMLyte wrote: Rain's gunna really regret the decision to drop GSL if he doesn't do amazingly well this MLG. Why? He took an opportunity to travel abroad and meet foreign fans. Not every Korean pro gets that chance. there are more MLGs next year, and rain lost potentially a lot of money at GSL too i guess *shrug
Who's to say he's gonna be SKT1's golden boy next year? Take the opportunity when you can, while you can.
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Group stages determine your final position in the Championship bracket, you can't be eliminated from the tournament directly from groups. Rain was seeded into Losers Round 5, his next match is against SoO. From now on, if he loses, he's out.
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On November 04 2012 13:46 IcedBacon wrote: That's such a poor choice.. GSL is waaaaaaaay more important than MLG.
The importance is on the relationship.
This is the KeSPA/MLG partnership at work.
KeSPA' and GOM have never been on the same page; whereas, KeSPA and MLG have their partnership running it's course.
This by no means is a bad decision when you consider all the variables.
When you read between all the lines. It's simply politics.
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On November 04 2012 14:11 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 13:46 IcedBacon wrote: That's such a poor choice.. GSL is waaaaaaaay more important than MLG. The importance is on the relationship. This is the KeSPA/MLG partnership at work. KeSPA' and GOM have never been on the same page; whereas, KeSPA and MLG have their partnership running it's course. This by no means is a bad decision when you consider all the variables. When you read between all the lines. It's simply politics.
You have no idea whether what you just said is true, you're just speculating. It could very well have been Rain's choice to come play in front of foreign fans and travel abroad for the first time. According to MLGAdam when Rain's decision was first announce, it was in fact Rain deciding that he "wants to win MLG." Given that Rain is just a kid, and the opportunity presented itself to go play in a foreign tournament in just a couple days, it's entirely possible he decided to do so at the last minute. Please don't spew out a cynical rumor as if it's fact, when in reality you're just taking a shot in the dark.
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On November 04 2012 14:25 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:11 StarStruck wrote:On November 04 2012 13:46 IcedBacon wrote: That's such a poor choice.. GSL is waaaaaaaay more important than MLG. The importance is on the relationship. This is the KeSPA/MLG partnership at work. KeSPA' and GOM have never been on the same page; whereas, KeSPA and MLG have their partnership running it's course. This by no means is a bad decision when you consider all the variables. When you read between all the lines. It's simply politics. You have no idea whether what you just said is true, you're just speculating. It could very well have been Rain's choice to come play in front of foreign fans and travel abroad for the first time. According to MLGAdam when Rain's decision was first announce, it was in fact Rain deciding that he "wants to win MLG." Given that Rain is just a kid, and the opportunity presented itself to go play in a foreign tournament in just a couple days, it's entirely possible he decided to do so at the last minute. Please don't spew out a cynical rumor as if it's fact, when in reality you're just taking a shot in the dark. maybe it was rain's decision, but i think the consensus on TL is that it's a kespa powerplay move
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On November 04 2012 14:26 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:25 Doodsmack wrote:On November 04 2012 14:11 StarStruck wrote:On November 04 2012 13:46 IcedBacon wrote: That's such a poor choice.. GSL is waaaaaaaay more important than MLG. The importance is on the relationship. This is the KeSPA/MLG partnership at work. KeSPA' and GOM have never been on the same page; whereas, KeSPA and MLG have their partnership running it's course. This by no means is a bad decision when you consider all the variables. When you read between all the lines. It's simply politics. You have no idea whether what you just said is true, you're just speculating. It could very well have been Rain's choice to come play in front of foreign fans and travel abroad for the first time. According to MLGAdam when Rain's decision was first announce, it was in fact Rain deciding that he "wants to win MLG." Given that Rain is just a kid, and the opportunity presented itself to go play in a foreign tournament in just a couple days, it's entirely possible he decided to do so at the last minute. Please don't spew out a cynical rumor as if it's fact, when in reality you're just taking a shot in the dark. maybe it was rain's decision, but i think the consensus on TL is that it's a kespa powerplay move
Well I hate to be offensive but I don't think the consensus on TL, when we've only heard one side of the story, is reliable. Although I would actually argue that there isn't any consensus in this thread as to whether it was a Kespa powerplay move. It's only a minority of posts in this thread that claim such. We do know that in the original thread in which it was announced that Rain wanted to play in Dallas, MLGAdam said it was Rain's decision. Do you believe Adam lied through his teeth, or do you believe Joe Schmoe TL speculator? I know who I choose.
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On November 04 2012 15:01 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:26 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 14:25 Doodsmack wrote:On November 04 2012 14:11 StarStruck wrote:On November 04 2012 13:46 IcedBacon wrote: That's such a poor choice.. GSL is waaaaaaaay more important than MLG. The importance is on the relationship. This is the KeSPA/MLG partnership at work. KeSPA' and GOM have never been on the same page; whereas, KeSPA and MLG have their partnership running it's course. This by no means is a bad decision when you consider all the variables. When you read between all the lines. It's simply politics. You have no idea whether what you just said is true, you're just speculating. It could very well have been Rain's choice to come play in front of foreign fans and travel abroad for the first time. According to MLGAdam when Rain's decision was first announce, it was in fact Rain deciding that he "wants to win MLG." Given that Rain is just a kid, and the opportunity presented itself to go play in a foreign tournament in just a couple days, it's entirely possible he decided to do so at the last minute. Please don't spew out a cynical rumor as if it's fact, when in reality you're just taking a shot in the dark. maybe it was rain's decision, but i think the consensus on TL is that it's a kespa powerplay move Well I hate to be offensive but I don't think the consensus on TL, when we've only heard one side of the story, is reliable. Although I would actually argue that there isn't any consensus in this thread as to whether it was a Kespa powerplay move. It's only a minority of posts in this thread that claim such. We do know that in the original thread in which it was announced that Rain wanted to play in Dallas, MLGAdam said it was Rain's decision. Do you believe Adam lied through his teeth, or do you believe Joe Schmoe TL speculator? I know who I choose. I mean, if it's all conjecture-based, may as well take your own personal conjecture into account. I'd figure Rain, having played his entire career in Korea really wanted to experience the foreign scene for at least one tournament.
Also given that MLG works on ranking points, if he shows well here it gets him other chances to play in later MLGs, ones that hopefully don't clash with the GSL.
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On November 04 2012 15:01 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:26 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 14:25 Doodsmack wrote:On November 04 2012 14:11 StarStruck wrote:On November 04 2012 13:46 IcedBacon wrote: That's such a poor choice.. GSL is waaaaaaaay more important than MLG. The importance is on the relationship. This is the KeSPA/MLG partnership at work. KeSPA' and GOM have never been on the same page; whereas, KeSPA and MLG have their partnership running it's course. This by no means is a bad decision when you consider all the variables. When you read between all the lines. It's simply politics. You have no idea whether what you just said is true, you're just speculating. It could very well have been Rain's choice to come play in front of foreign fans and travel abroad for the first time. According to MLGAdam when Rain's decision was first announce, it was in fact Rain deciding that he "wants to win MLG." Given that Rain is just a kid, and the opportunity presented itself to go play in a foreign tournament in just a couple days, it's entirely possible he decided to do so at the last minute. Please don't spew out a cynical rumor as if it's fact, when in reality you're just taking a shot in the dark. maybe it was rain's decision, but i think the consensus on TL is that it's a kespa powerplay move Well I hate to be offensive but I don't think the consensus on TL, when we've only heard one side of the story, is reliable. Although I would actually argue that there isn't any consensus in this thread as to whether it was a Kespa powerplay move. It's only a minority of posts in this thread that claim such. We do know that in the original thread in which it was announced that Rain wanted to play in Dallas, MLGAdam said it was Rain's decision. Do you believe Adam lied through his teeth, or do you believe Joe Schmoe TL speculator? I know who I choose. of course adam would say that rain wanted to come, because he would have been told the information by SKT, not rain himself, since rain doesn't manage his own schedule and PR. SKT would have been "hey rain is gonna go, can we get open bracket plz"
On November 04 2012 15:05 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 15:01 Doodsmack wrote:On November 04 2012 14:26 opterown wrote:On November 04 2012 14:25 Doodsmack wrote:On November 04 2012 14:11 StarStruck wrote:On November 04 2012 13:46 IcedBacon wrote: That's such a poor choice.. GSL is waaaaaaaay more important than MLG. The importance is on the relationship. This is the KeSPA/MLG partnership at work. KeSPA' and GOM have never been on the same page; whereas, KeSPA and MLG have their partnership running it's course. This by no means is a bad decision when you consider all the variables. When you read between all the lines. It's simply politics. You have no idea whether what you just said is true, you're just speculating. It could very well have been Rain's choice to come play in front of foreign fans and travel abroad for the first time. According to MLGAdam when Rain's decision was first announce, it was in fact Rain deciding that he "wants to win MLG." Given that Rain is just a kid, and the opportunity presented itself to go play in a foreign tournament in just a couple days, it's entirely possible he decided to do so at the last minute. Please don't spew out a cynical rumor as if it's fact, when in reality you're just taking a shot in the dark. maybe it was rain's decision, but i think the consensus on TL is that it's a kespa powerplay move Well I hate to be offensive but I don't think the consensus on TL, when we've only heard one side of the story, is reliable. Although I would actually argue that there isn't any consensus in this thread as to whether it was a Kespa powerplay move. It's only a minority of posts in this thread that claim such. We do know that in the original thread in which it was announced that Rain wanted to play in Dallas, MLGAdam said it was Rain's decision. Do you believe Adam lied through his teeth, or do you believe Joe Schmoe TL speculator? I know who I choose. I mean, if it's all conjecture-based, may as well take your own personal conjecture into account. I'd figure Rain, having played his entire career in Korea really wanted to experience the foreign scene for at least one tournament. Also given that MLG works on ranking points, if he shows well here it gets him other chances to play in later MLGs, ones that hopefully don't clash with the GSL. no more ranking points; rain needs to get top8 to get to play in the qualifier for the next one, etc.
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Maybe Rain should've stayed for the GSL instead. A lot of the star players of different teams around the world including the eSF's selection were on for Dallas, and there's too much risk in playing a gauntlet of matches with opponents that you can't prepare for (as you don't know how you're going to face next).
Oh well. Hopefully he gets at least top 8.
Still pulling for Bomber and Flash for the finals though.
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Rain himself said he was sad to leave Code S in an interview just now. : /
Also, he's in top 8 now. I'm glad that he made it, hope he can go to the finals and lose to Flash ^_^
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On November 01 2012 14:03 Fionn wrote: If this was Rain's choice, then he has to live by it. But if he honestly forfeited his Code S seed for a CHANCE at winning $25,000 and having to go ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE OPEN BRACKET, then he might be the best player in the world, but not the best decision maker. Hopefully GSL does what they did with (other)Rain and suspend him for a season. Rain was one of the GSL's main stars after S4 and could have been a reason why a lot of people bought a ticket.
Rain is a good player who sells tickets, and GomTV profits from that. That doesn't give GomTV the right to suspend him for pursuing better opportunities. GSL is an open tournament, it doesn't contract players nor have control over their scheduling. Impulsively suspending Rain would probably just piss him off... A month of downtime could inspire him to leave the GSL for the foreign scene. Then GSL is left with no star player, and they lose even more ticket sales... Overall a terrible business decision and thankfully you aren't in charge.
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On November 05 2012 03:14 Confuse wrote: Rain himself said he was sad to leave Code S in an interview just now. : /
Also, he's in top 8 now. I'm glad that he made it, hope he can go to the finals and lose to Flash ^_^ The interviews on the stage tend to lose some of their "true" meaning because the interpreter doesn't translate all the context for both parties.* What I'm saying is that Reis didn't translate Rain's thoughts with 100% accuracy.
I would really like to see a well prepared interview of Rain once he finish his tournament experience, I feel this is one of the many interesting storys this MLG has and it not being orchestrated at all in this tournament. A shame.
Edit: *
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Well I hope we all learned a valuable lesson this weekend and by we I mean KESPA and MLG.
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I LOVE YOU BOMBER!!!
I don't know what's sweeter; that Bomber did it (who showed a level of play we've only seen very few times from him), or that Flash vs Life was going on at the same time meaning a lot less people watched Rain get eliminated ROFL.
Lesson learned, KESPA/MLG?
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On November 05 2012 03:59 PushDown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 03:14 Confuse wrote: Rain himself said he was sad to leave Code S in an interview just now. : /
Also, he's in top 8 now. I'm glad that he made it, hope he can go to the finals and lose to Flash ^_^ The interviews on the stage tend to lose some of their "true" meaning because the interpreter doesn't translate all the context for both parties.* What I'm saying is that Reis didn't translate Rain's thoughts with 100% accuracy. I would really like to see a well prepared interview of Rain once he finish his tournament experience, I feel this is one of the many interesting storys this MLG has and it not being orchestrated at all in this tournament. A shame. Edit: * On the other hand, since interviews are impromptu, it's more likely for him to be honest, instead of giving a cooked-up answer.
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So bad he forfeited to loose at this point
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On November 05 2012 05:00 Xpace wrote: I LOVE YOU BOMBER!!!
I don't know what's sweeter; that Bomber did it (who showed a level of play we've only seen very few times from him), or that Flash vs Life was going on at the same time meaning a lot less people watched Rain get eliminated ROFL.
Lesson learned, KESPA/MLG?
Yeah. He probably didn't come home with much profits after considering plane tickets, accommodation and eating expenses.
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dammit he lost . still owned during the tournament :D
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On November 05 2012 05:08 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 05:00 Xpace wrote: I LOVE YOU BOMBER!!!
I don't know what's sweeter; that Bomber did it (who showed a level of play we've only seen very few times from him), or that Flash vs Life was going on at the same time meaning a lot less people watched Rain get eliminated ROFL.
Lesson learned, KESPA/MLG? Yeah. He probably didn't come home with much profits after considering plane tickets, accommodation and eating expenses. I suspect KeSPA chalked up the money for that. Can't seem him forfeit Code S even with KeSPA's pressure if he needed to pay from his own pocket.
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For a lot of people who don't stay up to watch the Korean games, Rain's made an amazing move to increase his own exposure. He may not have won the tournament but he had plenty of main stage/streamed showings. Unless you get really far in GSL Code S the foreigner exposure just isn't as much. If he streams after this tournament I would bet his numbers would be MUCH bigger than they would be than if he decided to stay in the GSL.
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