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On October 18 2012 05:05 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
At least we don't have to deal with the drama whore that is Slayers Jessica anymore. You guys have to be happy about that.
Why the hell do people need to pile on Jessica? She's a drama queen, but couldn't you understand the gravity of her accusations if they are true for once? Now that other parties are coming out and talking about the whole deal, it seems that she wasn't exaggerating that much.
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On October 18 2012 05:07 lightsentry wrote:
I mean the thing is that Jessica overreacts a lot to things and maybe throws up drama where it shouldn't be, but i don't really recall a time where she was just straight up making shit up, so yes you can take what she's saying with a grain of salt, but I think she's reliable as far as actual events go.
Startale confirmed its not grain of salt anymore
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=127949&db=issue&cate=001&page=1&field=&kwrd=
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ther seems to be alot of negative stuff going on for awhile on.... how long will this last?
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I wrote this at the start of the year:
+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Fionn/MMASlayers.png) The Rise of SlayerS and MMAIf you are just getting into Starcraft 2 and look at SlayerS now, I'm sure you must think, 'Wow, these guys are amazing! I bet they've been awesome forever!' To tell you the truth, dear newbie to the world of eSports, you would be dead wrong. When Slayers was first created, there was a lot of hype. Boxer was creating a team, freaking Boxer, the legend of all legends, the Emperor himself, and he was going to hand pick his own disciples to take over Starcraft 2! It sounded great and all, but the first time we ever saw Slayers was in the first season of the GSTL. They were matched up against ZeNex, considered one of the weaker teams, and it was a good opportunity to see how good these kids Boxer picked would do on the main stage. The excitement was overflowing, with Boxer putting himself out first to take on the first ZeNex player HyeJun. This was going to be awesome! But then he lost. Oh, uhm, okay. Let's see who else Slayers has up to next? SlayersSoul (Ryung) must be good, right? He lost badly. Alright, okay, let's see, who is this Alicia guy? He is going to finally win a game for Slayers, right? He lost badly. Things looked really bad. Slayers looked greener than the grass on a WindowsXP desktop, and they were getting massacred by a relative unknown in the scene. They were down 3-0 and were only one loss away from getting embarrassingly all-killed. Enter a man named Jjob. He was another unknown in Starcraft 2, but he had a Brood War past as pro player on Boxer's former team SKT1, playing with the ID '1988.' He had only played five games in total in Brood War, losing three of them, and those were all in 2008, three years earlier. It looked grim, but Jjob played well, much better than his teammates before him, finally putting an end to the reign of terror HyeJun was casting over Slayers. Amusingly enough, Jjob would then take on future SlayerS recruit Puzzle, gaining another win for his team and getting them closer to a tie score. In his third game, he faced future GSL semifinalist Byun, and for the third time, put the team on his back and took another victory. Amazingly, this Jjob character was turning out to be pretty damn good, only a win away from achieving the elusive reverse all-kill. Sadly, in the end, he lost to ZeNexNuke (later known as Hack) and wasn't able to complete the comeback. However, this Jjob guy had made a name for himself that night. Slayers didn't look particulary good except for him, but you could see the potential in the players that Boxer had chosen to be on his team. Fast forward to a year later: Jjob, that unknown who had a three kill on that night so long ago, is now known as MMA, one of the most popular and most skilled players in the world. He has won MLG Columbus, IEM Kiev, and two GSL championships, putting him in the select company of players who have won tournaments on three different continents. He is now the captain of SlayerS, who have won two GSTL championships in the meanwhile. MMA came in as the closer in the finals of both those tournaments, and took the wings off DongRaeGu and MVP. SlayerS is now the most popular Korean team in the world. They now routinely send three or more players to the top sixteen of Code S, and are one of the three favorites with Incredible Miracle and MvP to take any team tournament they enter. Similar to what occurred in Brood War with iloveoov, MMA is Boxer's anointed one, the anchor and heart of the team. When Slayers are down and need someone to save them, you expect MMA to come through. Even when it looks like the world is against him and there is no way he can come back, he won't stop fighting. To the bitter end, MMA will carry on the legacy that Boxer bestowed upon him, and fight to the very end. In 2012, the goal is clear for MMA: it's time to surpass MVP. In the last two GSL series they've played, MMA has a record of 7-1 against him, winning the October finals and Blizzard Cup in the process. He now needs only one more to tie MVP and Nestea, making a case to be known as the best player in the history of Starcraft II. With Jessica, his teammates, and Boxer behind him, pushing him towards his goal, who can doubt him?
OOPS.
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eSF players being prohibited to practice with Slayers members is... borderline psycho, really. It is such a terrible approach to hold in a small community, and I am a bit dismayed by the fact that no player spoke up about it.
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On October 18 2012 05:08 sihyunie wrote:
In the Fomos article, he basically admits to preventing eSF players from practicing with Slayers players. He said that at that time, Slayers was playing by itself and there needed to be some regulation.
WTF???
How can eSF have regulation on an independent team??? What right does it have to segregate the team because it didn't follow what it wanted to do???? Mr. Won basically is showing why Slayers didn't want to deal with eSF!
And tl blames it on jessica as always
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Is that translated anywhere? And what's the explanation? I mean... some of the slayers players were good friends with players on other teams. Seems weird to disallow them to practice. I also remember some interviews in which cross-team players were thanked for practicing together, both slayers players who were practice partners and slayers players who had out-of-team practice partners.
Can't remember if it was foreign players, but particularly puzzle, coca, genius and yugioh, who came from other big teams before joining slayers seem like they would have their connections already.
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ESF is garbage. They finally gained a bit of credibility when they stood up to Kespa but now they just look like worthless assholes again.
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EDIT: Aaah nevermind. Should read the thread.
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On October 18 2012 05:09 OpTiKDream wrote:
ther seems to be alot of negative stuff going on for awhile on.... how long will this last?
When esf dissolves.
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On October 18 2012 05:10 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 05:08 sihyunie wrote:
In the Fomos article, he basically admits to preventing eSF players from practicing with Slayers players. He said that at that time, Slayers was playing by itself and there needed to be some regulation.
WTF???
How can eSF have regulation on an independent team??? What right does it have to segregate the team because it didn't follow what it wanted to do???? Mr. Won basically is showing why Slayers didn't want to deal with eSF! And tl blames it on jessica as always
yeah, unfortunately... All cold-hearted business guys around here 
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On October 18 2012 05:08 sihyunie wrote:
In the Fomos article, he basically admits to preventing eSF players from practicing with Slayers players. He said that at that time, Slayers was playing by itself and there needed to be some regulation.
WTF???
How can eSF have regulation on an independent team??? What right does it have to segregate the team because it didn't follow what it wanted to do???? Mr. Won basically is showing why Slayers didn't want to deal with eSF!
Well, he didn't regulate Slayers, he regulated other teams in SC2Con, which he had every rights to. It was still a douche bag move, but it's pretty common for an association to limit interaction with outside teams.
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This is all around bad news. I hoped for a recovery by SlayerS, but clearly that is impossible now 
Bad enough there's no hockey this year... This too?
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I guess you never really know how good you have it until it's taken away. SlayerS had the best sponsors from the very start. They had a lot of money and spoiled the players with their living conditions.
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Ah... So Puzzle withdrawing from NASL and GSL was not because of his illness, but because LoL was already a more important thing for him than SC2.
Well, it is rather sad to see Puzzle and Coca leave like that. After all, they were top 5 with their respective races at times.
Edit: not to mention Coca worked so hard to be accepted after that incident with Byun.
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I cant believe how hard it must have been for boxer and jessica.
I understand the slayers players... They probably had a hard time not being able to practice with the community anymore and getting personal consequences with following drop in performance and so on
But man jessica and boxer knew all tis but kept their mouth shut not to hurt the community
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well lets look.
individual sponsors are good for the individual, but don't necessarily do all that much in terms of team sponsorships. winning GSTLs catapults the entire brand name into stardom, team leagues, etc. It's just strange to me that it seems there was such a clear division between team league players and non-team league players. Typically, players who were good, wanted to do both. Look at DRG, and early MMA. Symbol, and Curious are others. They gain fame for themselves and the team by doing well in team leagues. It's weird that Alicia took such offense by having Jessica being 'harsh' towards people who lose in GSTL matches. I'm sure it's rough having that pressure, but if you're the type of player who doesn't handle that pressure well, you're not going to be used in the team league, and likewise won't be discovered. I mean I'd say 90% of the the entire SlayerS team became famous because of their GSTL runs. Why smh towards doing your best for team leagues? In scbw, proleague was the driving force behind esports, and I think boxer + jessica, probably felt the same way in sc2, and wanted to emphasize it. It also promotes a better team bonding experience when you win, because it's about everyone's contributions, even guys who lose, are helping the next guy figure out a strategy, or removing maps that could be advantageous to the enemy. While I can definitely see Jessica being maybe harder than the players liked about losing in GSTL matches, are the players really that sensitive to feedback that they'd boycott the GSTL/etc just because they were scared of her wrath? Cmon.
Boo hoo, so Alicia didn't get any good jobs from Jessica from coming back 2nd place in 2 foreign tournaments. Think about that for a sec. I get it, he just wanted some recognition, didn't get it, combined with his own perceived favoritism towards the aspect of the team that he didn't want to participate in and you can see why he's unhappy, but how much of that is really Jessica's fault? Do you cry to your manager boo hoo you're a bad manager because you focus your attention towards the group who's working on a bigger project? Sure great managers will praise everyone on even small victories, but you by no means have a right to claim I DESERVE TO BE REWARDED FOR DOING MY JOB. This all jsut seems weird. And the dodging of ESF related questions by Alicia, seem to be damning towards ESF in and of itself. Lets not forget that Alicia was a nobody, and he didn't even make the cut for the B team to SlayerS. He was a Diamond level protoss, but BoxeR saw something in him and decided to ask him to become a practice partner for SlayerS anyways. How quickly he turns on the hand that gave him a chance. I've met alicia, nice guy irl, but hearing this shit makes me angry.
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Ironically enough since all SlayerS cared for was only team league getting all-killed so many times is probably what pushed them over the edge, otherwise this'll still be under the rug.
On October 18 2012 05:10 Fionn wrote:I wrote this at the start of the year: + Show Spoiler +The Rise of SlayerS and MMAIf you are just getting into Starcraft 2 and look at SlayerS now, I'm sure you must think, 'Wow, these guys are amazing! I bet they've been awesome forever!' To tell you the truth, dear newbie to the world of eSports, you would be dead wrong. When Slayers was first created, there was a lot of hype. Boxer was creating a team, freaking Boxer, the legend of all legends, the Emperor himself, and he was going to hand pick his own disciples to take over Starcraft 2! It sounded great and all, but the first time we ever saw Slayers was in the first season of the GSTL. They were matched up against ZeNex, considered one of the weaker teams, and it was a good opportunity to see how good these kids Boxer picked would do on the main stage. The excitement was overflowing, with Boxer putting himself out first to take on the first ZeNex player HyeJun. This was going to be awesome! But then he lost. Oh, uhm, okay. Let's see who else Slayers has up to next? SlayersSoul (Ryung) must be good, right? He lost badly. Alright, okay, let's see, who is this Alicia guy? He is going to finally win a game for Slayers, right? He lost badly. Things looked really bad. Slayers looked greener than the grass on a WindowsXP desktop, and they were getting massacred by a relative unknown in the scene. They were down 3-0 and were only one loss away from getting embarrassingly all-killed. Enter a man named Jjob. He was another unknown in Starcraft 2, but he had a Brood War past as pro player on Boxer's former team SKT1, playing with the ID '1988.' He had only played five games in total in Brood War, losing three of them, and those were all in 2008, three years earlier. It looked grim, but Jjob played well, much better than his teammates before him, finally putting an end to the reign of terror HyeJun was casting over Slayers. Amusingly enough, Jjob would then take on future SlayerS recruit Puzzle, gaining another win for his team and getting them closer to a tie score. In his third game, he faced future GSL semifinalist Byun, and for the third time, put the team on his back and took another victory. Amazingly, this Jjob character was turning out to be pretty damn good, only a win away from achieving the elusive reverse all-kill. Sadly, in the end, he lost to ZeNexNuke (later known as Hack) and wasn't able to complete the comeback. However, this Jjob guy had made a name for himself that night. Slayers didn't look particulary good except for him, but you could see the potential in the players that Boxer had chosen to be on his team. Fast forward to a year later: Jjob, that unknown who had a three kill on that night so long ago, is now known as MMA, one of the most popular and most skilled players in the world. He has won MLG Columbus, IEM Kiev, and two GSL championships, putting him in the select company of players who have won tournaments on three different continents. He is now the captain of SlayerS, who have won two GSTL championships in the meanwhile. MMA came in as the closer in the finals of both those tournaments, and took the wings off DongRaeGu and MVP. SlayerS is now the most popular Korean team in the world. They now routinely send three or more players to the top sixteen of Code S, and are one of the three favorites with Incredible Miracle and MvP to take any team tournament they enter. Similar to what occurred in Brood War with iloveoov, MMA is Boxer's anointed one, the anchor and heart of the team. When Slayers are down and need someone to save them, you expect MMA to come through. Even when it looks like the world is against him and there is no way he can come back, he won't stop fighting. To the bitter end, MMA will carry on the legacy that Boxer bestowed upon him, and fight to the very end. In 2012, the goal is clear for MMA: it's time to surpass MVP. In the last two GSL series they've played, MMA has a record of 7-1 against him, winning the October finals and Blizzard Cup in the process. He now needs only one more to tie MVP and Nestea, making a case to be known as the best player in the history of Starcraft II. With Jessica, his teammates, and Boxer behind him, pushing him towards his goal, who can doubt him? OOPS.
With great power comes great responsibility. Please curse life in the upcoming finals. Thanks.
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On October 18 2012 05:12 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 05:08 sihyunie wrote:
In the Fomos article, he basically admits to preventing eSF players from practicing with Slayers players. He said that at that time, Slayers was playing by itself and there needed to be some regulation.
WTF???
How can eSF have regulation on an independent team??? What right does it have to segregate the team because it didn't follow what it wanted to do???? Mr. Won basically is showing why Slayers didn't want to deal with eSF! Well, he didn't regulate Slayers, he regulated other teams in SC2Con, which he had every rights to. It was still a douche bag move, but it's pretty common for an association to limit interaction with outside teams.
Except SC2Con fell apart soon after that. What happened to the embargo afterwards?
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On October 18 2012 05:12 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 05:08 sihyunie wrote:
In the Fomos article, he basically admits to preventing eSF players from practicing with Slayers players. He said that at that time, Slayers was playing by itself and there needed to be some regulation.
WTF???
How can eSF have regulation on an independent team??? What right does it have to segregate the team because it didn't follow what it wanted to do???? Mr. Won basically is showing why Slayers didn't want to deal with eSF! Well, he didn't regulate Slayers, he regulated other teams in SC2Con, which he had every rights to. It was still a douche bag move, but it's pretty common for an association to limit interaction with outside teams.
I'm not sure they actually have such right. SC2Con's purpose is to protect the players. How's that sanction protecting them?
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