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On October 18 2012 01:56 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 01:54 LighT. wrote:
What people forget is korean culture. Mma is the hyung of the team and that means the players 'dongsang' look up to him for advice andd take his words seriously. This 'J' fellow is clearly a con, and the key to the collapsr was that mma's innocent guilloble personality made him take the conmans words to heart who he told other players and of course, considerig it was their teAm cAptain and hyung telling this, they would listen to him and fall suspicious... I hope this 'j' man rots in a bad life this is one side of the story, what if she was embezzling? isn't it strange that there is barely anyone that trusts jessica? She seemed to have problems with almost everyone in her story even.
From what I have read and heard, she has a mixed reputation. There seem to be a lot of people who like her personally, but reporters and other professionals seem to not like her. I don't think she was ever cut out to run a team, but would be a great asset to any team she worked with if she was not running it.
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I have never been so disapointed in a player ever than MMA and coach J.
Absolutely disgusting, to have BoxeR mentor and raise and love you, only to accuse him of stealing from you. Pathetic.
Shame on the whole team, BoxeR and Jessica trained you better than this.
I'm so sorry BoxeR... I wish you the most sincere luck with your new team.
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On October 18 2012 01:56 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 01:54 LighT. wrote:
What people forget is korean culture. Mma is the hyung of the team and that means the players 'dongsang' look up to him for advice andd take his words seriously. This 'J' fellow is clearly a con, and the key to the collapsr was that mma's innocent guilloble personality made him take the conmans words to heart who he told other players and of course, considerig it was their teAm cAptain and hyung telling this, they would listen to him and fall suspicious... I hope this 'j' man rots in a bad life this is one side of the story, what if she was embezzling? isn't it strange that there is barely anyone that trusts jessica? She seemed to have problems with almost everyone in her story even.
If she did, I couldn't think of a reason why she would come out and put herself in the limelight. Wouldn't it be better to just remain silent and act like nothing happened?
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All I'm going to say is that this inst over yet. Coach Won is supposed to come out with a statement, and looks like Jessica is prepared to go all the way.
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Boxer is one of the classiest individuals in e-sports and has been around since the beginning. He set the foundation for huge popularity increase of e-sports in Korea. I don't believe for a second two people of respected backgrounds like Jessica and Boxer would embezzle the players' money.
It's also hard to believe a nobody like this "coach J" could so easily undermine the management structure of SlayerS.
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On October 18 2012 01:40 Bogeyman wrote:
Wow, this whole situation has been such a clusterfuck it seems. It sounds like the federation isn't much better than Kespa.
Is this the time to lose faith in Korean culture? Is this representative of their culture? I surely hope not, but I don't know what else to think.
I was thinking the same thing when I read the OP that Federation isn't much better than Kespa.
Coach Won seem to be a total dick, not sure if he acted on his own or on behalf of the Federation. They restricted players from practicing with Slayers and when threat of being sued (go Jessica!) they agree to lift restriction but to only continue "unofficially." Federation forcing people to join their group and if they don't, they will get bully. Way to go Kespa, I mean Federation.
From op:
+ Show Spoiler +I heard that they decided to outcast Slayers and told everyone to not help the Slayers players with practice. Not only were they not allowed to help us practice, but they were also not allowed to chat with our players.
Some players were very close to our players and just had to help, these players used their other accounts to help practice. So I met with Head Coach Won to confront him about it and he proudly responded, "It may be a cheap move, but we plan to restrict Slayers like this".
There was relationships between players to consider, and in this situation where we have done nothing wrong, I retaliated saying this was not fair. Head Coach Won said that this problem was all because we were outcasting ourselves by not helping them and being on our own without joining their Association.
I complained a few times, but there was no answer and with the continuing problem of not being able to find practice partners, the players had a hard time. I could not bare to see this, so I contacted Head Coach Won while he was in the States and requested, "I don't want my players being harmed because of me. I'll disband the team so take all our players".
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On October 18 2012 01:57 Waxangel wrote:
Must have been tough on you  That was long!
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Thanks for the additional translation Wax, it's a bit more readable.
Interesting how foreigners in this thread are shitting on Jessica, while Koreans back her up.
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Wow, this is a nuclear esports bomb.
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Poland3748 Posts
On October 18 2012 01:42 weepingtweeter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 01:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 18 2012 01:27 vthree wrote:On October 18 2012 01:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 18 2012 01:19 Roynalf wrote:
why league of legends???!??!?!! they are wasting all their multi tasking potential on game with single unit..... It's probably easier money. Imagine a LoL team of SlayerS players. Their multi-tasking and unit control is far superior to anyone who's only played LoL, and they've already been on a pro team for years... once they fully understand the interactions of the different champions, they'll just roll everyone. No. The games require different skills sets. Although there is some overlap, it would be like saying someone good in tennis will be good in squash. If you took a pro tennis player and have them play against someone random, that would be true. But even if a tennis pro switches and trains in squash, they might not reach pro levels. Meh. As someone who's played tennis for a very long time, and teaches it... I understand pretty well the skillset required to play that game. And I also feel that there is a lot of overlap between tennis and racquetball or squash (I've played both). While I don't play racquetball or squash at a pro-level, some of my friends who have played for a very long time and need an opponent will give me a call. And I'm not saying that these SC2 players are going to win everything the second they change over, but having their set of skills, plus their team atmosphere (and if they could continue training the way StarCraft pro-gamers did? O.O) and understanding how to analyze replays that's been incredibly refined over the years... I think they'd be kicking ass quite quickly. Maybe not as quickly as BW -> SC2, but there's clearly a reason why so many of these StarCraft pro-gamers are switching to LoL. Because LoL is easy...
The basics are easy but competing on the top level is not easy. Or are you saying that perfect play is possible in LoL and it is sort of coin flip on the top?
The whole SlayerS story seems horrible. If only half of Jessica's rant is truth it means that proscene in Korea is a bit of a swamp.
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On October 18 2012 01:55 Sassback wrote:
Dam, can't believe they are gone. Do you think Jessica will try and stay ion Esports? Or could she be black listed from Korean teams by the federation?
She will pursue her acting career
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On October 18 2012 02:02 Kasaraki wrote:
Thanks for the additional translation Wax, it's a bit more readable.
Interesting how foreigners in this thread are shitting on Jessica, while Koreans back her up.
Way to generalize
And did you go through every post inthe past 55 pages to make sure ALL the foreigners are shitting on Jessica and ALL the koreans are backing her up?
I'm Korean, and I think there's a fair amount of dramatization and bad management going on.
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On October 18 2012 01:59 zestzorb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 01:56 illsick wrote:On October 18 2012 01:54 LighT. wrote:
What people forget is korean culture. Mma is the hyung of the team and that means the players 'dongsang' look up to him for advice andd take his words seriously. This 'J' fellow is clearly a con, and the key to the collapsr was that mma's innocent guilloble personality made him take the conmans words to heart who he told other players and of course, considerig it was their teAm cAptain and hyung telling this, they would listen to him and fall suspicious... I hope this 'j' man rots in a bad life this is one side of the story, what if she was embezzling? isn't it strange that there is barely anyone that trusts jessica? She seemed to have problems with almost everyone in her story even. If she did, I couldn't think of a reason why she would come out and put herself in the limelight. Wouldn't it be better to just remain silent and act like nothing happened?
She might think that there won't be enough evidence to catch her. She could always over estimate her costs to run the team to cover tracks. If she was so close to the team and gained their trust over the years, why would all of them have such a relationship that they have now? (so many slayers left the team, and the remaining slayers had conflicts with her)
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Startale will publish their view on things apparently
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Germany274 Posts
Wow, that really shatters my view of these teams, and also partly of koreans as a whole.
They seem to value intrigue and backstabbing a lot, seem to value their face more than true honor.
I'm just so sad... I never thought, people in one (small) boat, the esports industry, could be that idiotic. Rather than getting stronger together, they drill holes into it.
Also the players and their demands are just weird, with no sense of loyality, and they ssem to not know what a contract is.
This is just the story of one side - but that's still so sad to hear...
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On October 18 2012 02:04 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 02:02 Kasaraki wrote:
Thanks for the additional translation Wax, it's a bit more readable.
Interesting how foreigners in this thread are shitting on Jessica, while Koreans back her up. Way to generalize And did you go through every post inthe past 55 pages to make sure ALL the foreigners are shitting on Jessica and ALL the koreans are backing her up? I'm Korean, and I think there's a fair amount of dramatization and bad management going on.
If anything, this is the worst press release I have ever seen. It is every peice of drama over the last year, brought back up to make sure you didn't forget. The more I read about Korean Progaming, the less I like about it. I like the players, but the teams seem super cut throat and almost deceptive when it comes to pay. Beyond money, I can see why some Korean players want to be signed to foreign teams.
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United States15275 Posts
On October 18 2012 02:06 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 01:59 zestzorb wrote:On October 18 2012 01:56 illsick wrote:On October 18 2012 01:54 LighT. wrote:
What people forget is korean culture. Mma is the hyung of the team and that means the players 'dongsang' look up to him for advice andd take his words seriously. This 'J' fellow is clearly a con, and the key to the collapsr was that mma's innocent guilloble personality made him take the conmans words to heart who he told other players and of course, considerig it was their teAm cAptain and hyung telling this, they would listen to him and fall suspicious... I hope this 'j' man rots in a bad life this is one side of the story, what if she was embezzling? isn't it strange that there is barely anyone that trusts jessica? She seemed to have problems with almost everyone in her story even. If she did, I couldn't think of a reason why she would come out and put herself in the limelight. Wouldn't it be better to just remain silent and act like nothing happened? She might think that there won't be enough evidence to catch her. She could always over estimate her costs to run the team to cover tracks. If she was so close to the team and gained their trust over the years, why would all of them have such a relationship that they have now? (so many slayers left the team, and the remaining slayers had conflicts with her)
The issue seems to be that she cared about the team, but was really bad at conveying that attitude.
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that so fucking sad, slayers was one of my favourite korean non kespa teams
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This article points out that there has been a lot of dissatisfaction within the SlayerS camp over poor treatment of the players. Its always important to consider all the different reasons this may be happening.
http://www.swagling.com/slayers-disbands/
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On October 18 2012 01:59 Makenshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 21:30 Nostalgia.NA wrote:
Change of BoxeR's mind
- He was very disappointed when MMA called it a slavery note. He remembered how he started and how players were living more than ten years ago and he wanted to create a better environment for players. After everything he gave up to come to SC2 to fulfill his dream of remaining as a player and training new players who can shine in e-sports, what MMA did damaged BoxeR.
- He was preparing to come back as a player before the HOTS was released. However after he wanted to quit.
This part actually made me pissed off after reading.
You do know there are problerly more sides of this story right, don't believe everything you read from one side.
Not a single player there was really happy, if that is the case it's not just a unlucky manager.
There is alot more going on here then Jessica is letting on in her finger pointing text here.
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