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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 13:29:50
October 17 2012 13:29 GMT
#281
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 17 2012 22:25 redloser wrote:
Hmm... I can't translate the whole thing 'cause my English kinda sucks and this is reallllly long... but the main points are:


1. Why Boxer joined SKT1

- Ganzi joins Slayers, and the Federation tried to punish him for not transferring properly, but it turns out the transfer didn't have any problem, but the Fed didn't apologize to Slayers.

- NASL deposit incident: (Mainly she talked with Won Jong Wook, the manager of Startale, but I'd just write the Federation) the Federation boycotted NASL, and asked Slayers to join the boycott. Slayers did, but nothing was earned from the boycott. So Slayers withdrew the boycott in the next season (NASL3).
The Federation ostracized Slayers since then; the progamers in the Federation did not practice with Slayers anymore. Jessica complained that she didn't want the progamers on her team to be harmed, so she would disband the team, and the Federation could take the players from Slayers.
She also mentioned she would sue the people involved for the problems with her sponsor after the aforementioned disband. The Federation apologized, but they still covertly prevent their players from practising with Slayers. Even Sleep, who is merely staying in Slayers house, is being ostracized.
Jessica has a witness, who moved from the Federation to Slayers, so if the Federation tries to deny the fact, she would meet them in person.

- The MMA incident: Slayers had Manager J who worked with foreign assignments. Jessica entrusted Manager J with sponsor affairs. Manager J later said that sponsors demanded something different from Slayers' direction. Since Slayers was doing fine at that time, Jessica was curious, but did not delve deeply into the incident.
Jessica figured that she could use her private money to run the team, and manage the sponsor affair later. However, Manager J was doing something doubtful, so Jessica investigated a little.
Jessica found out that Manager J did not negotiate at all, or purposedly negotiated badly to cut off the sponsors. Moreover, Manager J told the Slayers progamers that Jessica embezzled the money from the sponsors.
Even though Slayers clearly was running with the money from Boxer's private sponsorship, the players believed it, which Jessica couldn't understand.
Jessica was especially disappointed with MMA, who really believed it, and listened to Manager J who asked MMA and some other players to quit Slayers, and make a team of their own.
Jessica was more shocked that no players in Slayers told her about this happening. She thought of sueing the manager, but she didn't for the sake of her players.
MMA told about quitting Slayers afterwards, and Jessica's faith in MMA started to disappear afterwards.
MMA's superficial reason for quitting Slayers: 1) They were ostracized by other teams.
MMA also had some affair with Crank: Crank wanted to quit gaming. Jessica listened to him and sent him home, but then figured out that Crank was looking for a foreign team. When Jessica called Crank, Crank said MMA asked him to leave Slayers with him.
When Jessica asked MMA, MMA denied that. Recently, Crank called Jessica that Jessica tried to tie him into the Ryung, Alicia, MMA problem with him, and shouted at her. Boxer took the phone, and Crank said the same thing to him.

Boxer was really shocked because he devoted all his time and billions of money to run the team, but the players would only turn around and curse at him.

They decided to remove MMA from the team, but MMA did not return for days. And when he finally returned, Boxer told MMA that you are demoted to B-team, so you should go home. MMA said he would just quit the team right away, but Boxer told him that he can't because of the contract.
MMA said it wasn't a contract, it was rather a slave contract. But Jessica mentioned that although the contract said to take a small portion of players' prize money, Jessica did not take any money from the contract.

So Boxer joined SKT1.

- Alicia and Ryung:
Alicia was fine at first, but as he went to foreign tournaments, he wasn't fine anymore and he was really dissatisfied. When Jessica asked why, Alicia answered that when he returns to Korea, the manager did not pick him up.
Jessica thought that was preposterous, and sent Alicia home. The contract would be renewed automatically unless Alicia calls her, which he didn't. But Jessica would not renew the contract and will dismiss Alicia from the team, due to a recent happening that cannot be opened right now.
It is a really serious incident, but she would not mention it unless it is necessary.

-Why Clide went to KT:
Clide was friendly with MMA, which made Jessica anxious. Jessica thought Clide should not be the same as MMA. Clide had many things to take care of, so Jessica persuaded him to pursue another dream, so he joined KT.

-Misunderstanding of players from Slayers:
Ganzi, Taeja, Golden, and Sleep had no problem. They wanted to move teams, so Jessica let them.


the whole way people reacted to things seems more like 12 year old girls in a the playground than grown adults in a business, lol.

Sophia
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany115 Posts
October 17 2012 13:30 GMT
#282
Ryung and MMA will find a new team, no problem! I hope its no foreign team.
Flowsick
Profile Joined June 2011
Estonia234 Posts
October 17 2012 13:30 GMT
#283
Holy shit this drama! I hope we get this discussed on SOTG tomorrow, would be interesting to hear peoples opinions.

On another note, EG.MMA.RC?
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
October 17 2012 13:30 GMT
#284
Ah the dirty side of esports


Some really disgusting people here, but for once, Jessica isn't one of them.

She was watching out for her players the entire time, and got shafted hard for it by nearly everyone.
secret - never again
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
October 17 2012 13:30 GMT
#285
Damn it just gets worse and worse...but I can't stop refreshing.
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Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
October 17 2012 13:30 GMT
#286
On October 17 2012 22:27 humblegar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 22:19 Fluffboll wrote:
On October 17 2012 22:16 humblegar wrote:
On October 17 2012 22:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
cant believe boxer jumped ship of the team he created after his own name.. surely had a lot to do with it, lost so much respect for him


So did Boxer "Jump the ship" when he left brood war for SC2? When he left SKT (he created that too) to create a new team?

Get your facts straight, and even better wait for the wall of text to be translated first.


He went to the military for the obligatory service... and when his service was over SC2 was just around the corner and he wanted to put his energy on that and SKT T1 being a BW team (at the time) he created his own new team to do what he wanted.

Maybe YOU should get your facts straight


And that proves what part of my post wrong?

He declined an offer to rejoin SKT as a bw-coach when he chose SC2. Sure he started another team while in the airforce, but he could hardly play for SKT there.Nada got an insane amount of bad press (and crap from KESPA) for picking SC2 over BW. So the comparison is very real, meaning some people probably did view it as Boxer jumping ship when he started SC2.

I never thought he "jumped ship", one way or the other.


My apologies, I missunderstood your post
You need to construct additional pylons.
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
October 17 2012 13:31 GMT
#287
wow ESF really sounds like total dicks from that translation disallowing players to talk to their friends because they're on slayers? c'mon thats just wrong
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 17 2012 13:31 GMT
#288
The Startale coach comes off as terrible in these translations, I seriously can't believe this =/
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
October 17 2012 13:31 GMT
#289
I'm guessing there'll be a joint statement released by ESF or any of the principles Jessica attacks giving their side of the story.
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 17 2012 13:32 GMT
#290
Sounds like bad management from jessica/boxer and how they handled the issues, the alicia problem sounds like complete shit for what he was sent home for,the clide issue also sounds ridiculous. This whole thing sounds ridiculous
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
October 17 2012 13:32 GMT
#291
On October 17 2012 22:29 Arkless wrote:
Liquid MMA Hwaitinngggggg!!!!!!! ;P

Very unlikely, and after reading this I really hope not.
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
October 17 2012 13:32 GMT
#292

Jessica is indeed a drama queen, Boxer should stick to regular pretty girl, instead of pop star.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
October 17 2012 13:32 GMT
#293
David Schmidt ‏@DavidSchmidtSC
According to source in Korea Coca, Min, and Puzzle had been sneaking out of SlayerS house to play LoL at PC bang.

It's a fucking comedy rofl.

Sounds like SlayerS really had some serious structural and management issues.
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
October 17 2012 13:32 GMT
#294
I haven't followed SC2 eSport at all for a long time, 7-8 months, and in that time, feels like a decade has past with drama, and I hate drama.
And I never knew what was up with demoting MMA, I remember I left the scene and never got any idea why he was punished. What's wrong with just telling the truth and not be embarresed? This hiding every incident and trying to make it pretty just makes it so much worse, cause atleast my trust and faith in them disappears.
It feels to me, that eSport is trying to have the same crappy model "real" sport is having, and we all know how TERRIFIC that goes... No drama there, no drugs, no nothing right? It's all flowers and God knows. Yeh Im gonna just stick to playing silly computer games and not get involved into eSport anymore, atleast for a good good while.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 17 2012 13:33 GMT
#295
If the interview is true, then Boxer really proved to be an inefficient manager. He was an amazing coach and mentor for sure, but did not financially provide a sound plan. Paying out of his own pocket really shows how dedicated he is to the team and how much he loved the players. But at the same time, there has to be a contingency plan for a business to operate.

Still, I can see why he's frustrated. When he first entered BW, he did it for the love of the game (not sponsors, money, etc). So some of his viewpoints might be more in line with SKT BW players than Slayers SC2 players.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 13:33:42
October 17 2012 13:33 GMT
#296
On October 17 2012 22:25 redloser wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Hmm... I can't translate the whole thing 'cause my English kinda sucks and this is reallllly long... but the main points are:


1. Why Boxer joined SKT1

- Ganzi joins Slayers, and the Federation tried to punish him for not transferring properly, but it turns out the transfer didn't have any problem, but the Fed didn't apologize to Slayers.

- NASL deposit incident: (Mainly she talked with Won Jong Wook, the manager of Startale, but I'd just write the Federation) the Federation boycotted NASL, and asked Slayers to join the boycott. Slayers did, but nothing was earned from the boycott. So Slayers withdrew the boycott in the next season (NASL3).
The Federation ostracized Slayers since then; the progamers in the Federation did not practice with Slayers anymore. Jessica complained that she didn't want the progamers on her team to be harmed, so she would disband the team, and the Federation could take the players from Slayers.
She also mentioned she would sue the people involved for the problems with her sponsor after the aforementioned disband. The Federation apologized, but they still covertly prevent their players from practising with Slayers. Even Sleep, who is merely staying in Slayers house, is being ostracized.
Jessica has a witness, who moved from the Federation to Slayers, so if the Federation tries to deny the fact, she would meet them in person.

- The MMA incident: Slayers had Manager J who worked with foreign assignments. Jessica entrusted Manager J with sponsor affairs. Manager J later said that sponsors demanded something different from Slayers' direction. Since Slayers was doing fine at that time, Jessica was curious, but did not delve deeply into the incident.
Jessica figured that she could use her private money to run the team, and manage the sponsor affair later. However, Manager J was doing something doubtful, so Jessica investigated a little.
Jessica found out that Manager J did not negotiate at all, or purposedly negotiated badly to cut off the sponsors. Moreover, Manager J told the Slayers progamers that Jessica embezzled the money from the sponsors.
Even though Slayers clearly was running with the money from Boxer's private sponsorship, the players believed it, which Jessica couldn't understand.
Jessica was especially disappointed with MMA, who really believed it, and listened to Manager J who asked MMA and some other players to quit Slayers, and make a team of their own.
Jessica was more shocked that no players in Slayers told her about this happening. She thought of sueing the manager, but she didn't for the sake of her players.
MMA told about quitting Slayers afterwards, and Jessica's faith in MMA started to disappear afterwards.
MMA's superficial reason for quitting Slayers: 1) They were ostracized by other teams.
MMA also had some affair with Crank: Crank wanted to quit gaming. Jessica listened to him and sent him home, but then figured out that Crank was looking for a foreign team. When Jessica called Crank, Crank said MMA asked him to leave Slayers with him.
When Jessica asked MMA, MMA denied that. Recently, Crank called Jessica that Jessica tried to tie him into the Ryung, Alicia, MMA problem with him, and shouted at her. Boxer took the phone, and Crank said the same thing to him.

Boxer was really shocked because he devoted all his time and billions of money to run the team, but the players would only turn around and curse at him.

They decided to remove MMA from the team, but MMA did not return for days. And when he finally returned, Boxer told MMA that you are demoted to B-team, so you should go home. MMA said he would just quit the team right away, but Boxer told him that he can't because of the contract.
MMA said it wasn't a contract, it was rather a slave contract. But Jessica mentioned that although the contract said to take a small portion of players' prize money, Jessica did not take any money from the contract.

So Boxer joined SKT1.

- Alicia and Ryung:
Alicia was fine at first, but as he went to foreign tournaments, he wasn't fine anymore and he was really dissatisfied. When Jessica asked why, Alicia answered that when he returns to Korea, the manager did not pick him up.
Jessica thought that was preposterous, and sent Alicia home. The contract would be renewed automatically unless Alicia calls her, which he didn't. But Jessica would not renew the contract and will dismiss Alicia from the team, due to a recent happening that cannot be opened right now.
It is a really serious incident, but she would not mention it unless it is necessary.

-Why Clide went to KT:
Clide was friendly with MMA, which made Jessica anxious. Jessica thought Clide should not be the same as MMA. Clide had many things to take care of, so Jessica persuaded him to pursue another dream, so he joined KT.

-Misunderstanding of players from Slayers:
Ganzi, Taeja, Golden, and Sleep had no problem. They wanted to move teams, so Jessica let them.


Hahahahahaha, oh god. There's some great stuff in here. I mean, there's probably some legitimate stuff here too especially with the "recent happening that cannot be opened right now" sounding more serious.

But I mean. Clide was friendly with MMA (uh oh)
Alicia wasn't happy he didn't get help getting back from airport (oh no!)
"Jessica has a witness" <- obviously Genius? Good cover.

Also: the whole MMA thing is still really unclear tbh.
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
October 17 2012 13:33 GMT
#297
On October 17 2012 22:31 Dodgin wrote:
The Startale coach comes off as terrible in these translations, I seriously can't believe this =/

So did the IM coach with the Ganzi incident. Very difficult to believe Jessica when she's making it out like everyone else is in the wrong.
Long live the King of Wings
humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
October 17 2012 13:33 GMT
#298
On October 17 2012 22:30 Fluffboll wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 22:27 humblegar wrote:
On October 17 2012 22:19 Fluffboll wrote:
On October 17 2012 22:16 humblegar wrote:
On October 17 2012 22:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
cant believe boxer jumped ship of the team he created after his own name.. surely had a lot to do with it, lost so much respect for him


So did Boxer "Jump the ship" when he left brood war for SC2? When he left SKT (he created that too) to create a new team?

Get your facts straight, and even better wait for the wall of text to be translated first.


He went to the military for the obligatory service... and when his service was over SC2 was just around the corner and he wanted to put his energy on that and SKT T1 being a BW team (at the time) he created his own new team to do what he wanted.

Maybe YOU should get your facts straight


And that proves what part of my post wrong?

He declined an offer to rejoin SKT as a bw-coach when he chose SC2. Sure he started another team while in the airforce, but he could hardly play for SKT there.Nada got an insane amount of bad press (and crap from KESPA) for picking SC2 over BW. So the comparison is very real, meaning some people probably did view it as Boxer jumping ship when he started SC2.

I never thought he "jumped ship", one way or the other.


My apologies, I missunderstood your post


No worries
Pjorren
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden777 Posts
October 17 2012 13:33 GMT
#299
It's sad that Slayers had to end like this. Team Slayers and their terrans are the ones who really made me enjoy Sc2.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 17 2012 13:34 GMT
#300
Jessica stands accused of embezzlement which may have legal consequences.
twitch.tv/medrea
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