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On October 17 2012 22:22 megacrack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 22:20 Flytothesky wrote: Wow.. just wow.. After reading the Korean source, I'm very disappointed with Crank, Alicia, Ryoung, and MMA. Poor Boxer... I would also have disband the team if I was in the situation. I will not support any of these players ever again.. maybe except MMA since he was blinded by other players.
tsk tsk.. Blind by the fame and money. i guess there is nothing wrong it ryung.. i mean he tried his best until mma and crank kept on having bad influence on him.. im really disappointed in crank the most though.. what are you guys talking about? lol
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On October 17 2012 22:23 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 22:16 frequency wrote:Part 3: - Mr Won promised us that both GomTV and the federation will claim their rights. However we heard nothing about this incident after. We asked Mr Won if there had been conversations between two parties, such as e-mails, but Mr Won said there wasn't anything like that/ - We understood NASL's position about needing deposits as many players who already disqualfied for the main stage avoid or ditch remaining matches. NASL season 3 started and because there were no attempts communicate from the federation and NASL. We entered season 3. - Total 8 players made through the qualifiers, and that's when Mr Choi (MVP coach) contacted us. He expressed his regrets about us playing in NASL and mentioned that FXO entered for the qualifiers but dropped the thoughts immediately. He asked me to drop the 8 players from participating. I explained to Mr Choi that I only agreed to boycott season 2 as Mr Won promised me to show results or at least attempts to communicate to reach an agreement with NASL but have heard nothing from him. I explained the whole surrounding situations and asked him to tell other team coaches of the federation who do not know the situation but weirdly enough nothing was communicated between them. - Even Mr Won who could have told other teams about how we thought, and when I asked him why he didn't communicate that to the federation. He claimed that he doesn't remember the conversation clearly that he didn't want to communicate something uncertain. I thought the federation was an absurd group. - We have heard from other players from different teams, that they were told not to practise with SlayerS players and not even chat on ladder. Players who were good friends with each other had to use a different account to secretly help our players to practise. When I heard about this, I asked Mr Won and argued however he said confidently "it's petty but this is how far we will go to put restrictions on SlayerS' - When I answered, that is ridiculous as we had not done anything wrong and this is destroying players personal friendship. And Mr Won simply replied 'this happens because you refused to join the federation and go on separate ways'. I made several claims to the federation but nobody answered me and players couldn't find practise partners. - As I couldn't take this any longer, I phoned Mr Won and told "I don't want our players to have unfair disadvantages because of their team. I will disband the team so take our players to your team. However we will formally request you (the federation) to be liable for damages you caused to the team and our sponsors." And that is when we have finally gotten an e-mail saying that they will lift up the restriction. (Have shown it to the reporter who wrote this) Other 2 parts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041¤tpage=8#156 So is it just me or is everyone else unable to read this without their un-bias glasses firmly on? Or was the whole world really against SlayerS? =p (will wait for entire thing to be more clearly translated but currently as it stands it seems like everyone is a bad guy or something ridiculous...)
Yeah. Classic Jessica. Unlike some people, I don't hate her, but the world is always conspiring against her apparantly, if we are to believe what she says.
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On October 17 2012 22:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 22:22 megacrack wrote:On October 17 2012 22:20 Flytothesky wrote: Wow.. just wow.. After reading the Korean source, I'm very disappointed with Crank, Alicia, Ryoung, and MMA. Poor Boxer... I would also have disband the team if I was in the situation. I will not support any of these players ever again.. maybe except MMA since he was blinded by other players.
tsk tsk.. Blind by the fame and money. i guess there is nothing wrong it ryung.. i mean he tried his best until mma and crank kept on having bad influence on him.. im really disappointed in crank the most though.. what are you guys talking about? lol lol i read the thing in korean.. wait for ur turn... ahaha
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On October 17 2012 22:20 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 22:19 Kommander wrote:On October 17 2012 22:16 frequency wrote:Part 3: - Mr Won promised us that both GomTV and the federation will claim their rights. However we heard nothing about this incident after. We asked Mr Won if there had been conversations between two parties, such as e-mails, but Mr Won said there wasn't anything like that/ - We understood NASL's position about needing deposits as many players who already disqualfied for the main stage avoid or ditch remaining matches. NASL season 3 started and because there were no attempts communicate from the federation and NASL. We entered season 3. - Total 8 players made through the qualifiers, and that's when Mr Choi (MVP coach) contacted us. He expressed his regrets about us playing in NASL and mentioned that FXO entered for the qualifiers but dropped the thoughts immediately. He asked me to drop the 8 players from participating. I explained to Mr Choi that I only agreed to boycott season 2 as Mr Won promised me to show results or at least attempts to communicate to reach an agreement with NASL but have heard nothing from him. I explained the whole surrounding situations and asked him to tell other team coaches of the federation who do not know the situation but weirdly enough nothing was communicated between them. - Even Mr Won who could have told other teams about how we thought, and when I asked him why he didn't communicate that to the federation. He claimed that he doesn't remember the conversation clearly that he didn't want to communicate something uncertain. I thought the federation was an absurd group. - We have heard from other players from different teams, that they were told not to practise with SlayerS players and not even chat on ladder. Players who were good friends with each other had to use a different account to secretly help our players to practise. When I heard about this, I asked Mr Won and argued however he said confidently "it's petty but this is how far we will go to put restrictions on SlayerS' - When I answered, that is ridiculous as we had not done anything wrong and this is destroying players personal friendship. And Mr Won simply replied 'this happens because you refused to join the federation and go on separate ways'. I made several claims to the federation but nobody answered me and players couldn't find practise partners. - As I couldn't take this any longer, I phoned Mr Won and told "I don't want our players to have unfair disadvantages because of their team. I will disband the team so take our players to your team. However we will formally request you (the federation) to be liable for damages you caused to the team and our sponsors." And that is when we have finally gotten an e-mail saying that they will lift up the restriction. (Have shown it to the reporter who wrote this) Other 2 parts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041¤tpage=8#156 Woah...so the eSF basically blacklisted SlayerS? I'd take what she says with a grain of salt. Knowing her past in dealing with other people, she's probably exaggerating everything.
She sure is burning lots of bridges though. I feel like Titanic, seeing the iceberg just before it hits.
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i read the korean article and it is really precise . it shows how much jessica suffered mostly from other teams (startale especially)
also mma, crank and alicia come off as very shady guys... we will see...
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Hmm... I can't translate the whole thing 'cause my English kinda sucks and this is reallllly long... but the main points are:
1. Why Boxer joined SKT1
- Ganzi joins Slayers, and the Federation tried to punish him for not transferring properly, but it turns out the transfer didn't have any problem, but the Fed didn't apologize to Slayers.
- NASL deposit incident: (Mainly she talked with Won Jong Wook, the manager of Startale, but I'd just write the Federation) the Federation boycotted NASL, and asked Slayers to join the boycott. Slayers did, but nothing was earned from the boycott. So Slayers withdrew the boycott in the next season (NASL3). The Federation ostracized Slayers since then; the progamers in the Federation did not practice with Slayers anymore. Jessica complained that she didn't want the progamers on her team to be harmed, so she would disband the team, and the Federation could take the players from Slayers. She also mentioned she would sue the people involved for the problems with her sponsor after the aforementioned disband. The Federation apologized, but they still covertly prevent their players from practising with Slayers. Even Sleep, who is merely staying in Slayers house, is being ostracized. Jessica has a witness, who moved from the Federation to Slayers, so if the Federation tries to deny the fact, she would meet them in person.
- The MMA incident: Slayers had Manager J who worked with foreign assignments. Jessica entrusted Manager J with sponsor affairs. Manager J later said that sponsors demanded something different from Slayers' direction. Since Slayers was doing fine at that time, Jessica was curious, but did not delve deeply into the incident. Jessica figured that she could use her private money to run the team, and manage the sponsor affair later. However, Manager J was doing something doubtful, so Jessica investigated a little. Jessica found out that Manager J did not negotiate at all, or purposedly negotiated badly to cut off the sponsors. Moreover, Manager J told the Slayers progamers that Jessica embezzled the money from the sponsors. Even though Slayers clearly was running with the money from Boxer's private sponsorship, the players believed it, which Jessica couldn't understand. Jessica was especially disappointed with MMA, who really believed it, and listened to Manager J who asked MMA and some other players to quit Slayers, and make a team of their own. Jessica was more shocked that no players in Slayers told her about this happening. She thought of sueing the manager, but she didn't for the sake of her players. MMA told about quitting Slayers afterwards, and Jessica's faith in MMA started to disappear afterwards. MMA's superficial reason for quitting Slayers: 1) They were ostracized by other teams. MMA also had some affair with Crank: Crank wanted to quit gaming. Jessica listened to him and sent him home, but then figured out that Crank was looking for a foreign team. When Jessica called Crank, Crank said MMA asked him to leave Slayers with him. When Jessica asked MMA, MMA denied that. Recently, Crank called Jessica that Jessica tried to tie him into the Ryung, Alicia, MMA problem with him, and shouted at her. Boxer took the phone, and Crank said the same thing to him.
Boxer was really shocked because he devoted all his time and billions of money to run the team, but the players would only turn around and curse at him.
They decided to remove MMA from the team, but MMA did not return for days. And when he finally returned, Boxer told MMA that you are demoted to B-team, so you should go home. MMA said he would just quit the team right away, but Boxer told him that he can't because of the contract. MMA said it wasn't a contract, it was rather a slave contract. But Jessica mentioned that although the contract said to take a small portion of players' prize money, Jessica did not take any money from the contract.
So Boxer joined SKT1.
- Alicia and Ryung: Alicia was fine at first, but as he went to foreign tournaments, he wasn't fine anymore and he was really dissatisfied. When Jessica asked why, Alicia answered that when he returns to Korea, the manager did not pick him up. Jessica thought that was preposterous, and sent Alicia home. The contract would be renewed automatically unless Alicia calls her, which he didn't. But Jessica would not renew the contract and will dismiss Alicia from the team, due to a recent happening that cannot be opened right now. It is a really serious incident, but she would not mention it unless it is necessary.
-Why Clide went to KT: Clide was friendly with MMA, which made Jessica anxious. Jessica thought Clide should not be the same as MMA. Clide had many things to take care of, so Jessica persuaded him to pursue another dream, so he joined KT.
-Misunderstanding of players from Slayers: Ganzi, Taeja, Golden, and Sleep had no problem. They wanted to move teams, so Jessica let them.
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On October 17 2012 22:24 Kasaraki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 22:23 bittman wrote:On October 17 2012 22:16 frequency wrote:Part 3: - Mr Won promised us that both GomTV and the federation will claim their rights. However we heard nothing about this incident after. We asked Mr Won if there had been conversations between two parties, such as e-mails, but Mr Won said there wasn't anything like that/ - We understood NASL's position about needing deposits as many players who already disqualfied for the main stage avoid or ditch remaining matches. NASL season 3 started and because there were no attempts communicate from the federation and NASL. We entered season 3. - Total 8 players made through the qualifiers, and that's when Mr Choi (MVP coach) contacted us. He expressed his regrets about us playing in NASL and mentioned that FXO entered for the qualifiers but dropped the thoughts immediately. He asked me to drop the 8 players from participating. I explained to Mr Choi that I only agreed to boycott season 2 as Mr Won promised me to show results or at least attempts to communicate to reach an agreement with NASL but have heard nothing from him. I explained the whole surrounding situations and asked him to tell other team coaches of the federation who do not know the situation but weirdly enough nothing was communicated between them. - Even Mr Won who could have told other teams about how we thought, and when I asked him why he didn't communicate that to the federation. He claimed that he doesn't remember the conversation clearly that he didn't want to communicate something uncertain. I thought the federation was an absurd group. - We have heard from other players from different teams, that they were told not to practise with SlayerS players and not even chat on ladder. Players who were good friends with each other had to use a different account to secretly help our players to practise. When I heard about this, I asked Mr Won and argued however he said confidently "it's petty but this is how far we will go to put restrictions on SlayerS' - When I answered, that is ridiculous as we had not done anything wrong and this is destroying players personal friendship. And Mr Won simply replied 'this happens because you refused to join the federation and go on separate ways'. I made several claims to the federation but nobody answered me and players couldn't find practise partners. - As I couldn't take this any longer, I phoned Mr Won and told "I don't want our players to have unfair disadvantages because of their team. I will disband the team so take our players to your team. However we will formally request you (the federation) to be liable for damages you caused to the team and our sponsors." And that is when we have finally gotten an e-mail saying that they will lift up the restriction. (Have shown it to the reporter who wrote this) Other 2 parts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041¤tpage=8#156 So is it just me or is everyone else unable to read this without their un-bias glasses firmly on? Or was the whole world really against SlayerS? =p (will wait for entire thing to be more clearly translated but currently as it stands it seems like everyone is a bad guy or something ridiculous...) Yeah. Classic Jessica. Unlike some people, I don't hate her, but the world is always conspiring against her apparantly, if we are to believe what she says.
Oh yeah know what you mean. Some people see "Jessica" tagged on things and instantly go nuts and I've been pretty impartial to it all. But this reads like my student's excuses at school for why the entire universe aligned so they couldn't do their assignment.
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Bisutopia19139 Posts
Time was given to Puzzle, Coca and Min to think about their career and they have now switched to League of Legends I never realized this or did it just happen?
Also Mr. Won sounds like an idiot in all of this. It's all very saddening but as we only have Slayers side of the story it's what I will base my opinions off of for now.
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I met the whole Slayers team before the last GSTL finals at Seoul Station before they were off to Busan, so obviously I cheered for them at the final down in Busan and they lost. And now they are disbanding, no fun
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Well, I guess there will be no SlayersGoOdy now, will there?
What a pity. SlayerS always felt special in a certain way.
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On October 17 2012 22:19 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 22:16 humblegar wrote:On October 17 2012 22:01 L3g3nd_ wrote: cant believe boxer jumped ship of the team he created after his own name.. surely had a lot to do with it, lost so much respect for him So did Boxer "Jump the ship" when he left brood war for SC2? When he left SKT (he created that too) to create a new team? Get your facts straight, and even better wait for the wall of text to be translated first. He went to the military for the obligatory service... and when his service was over SC2 was just around the corner and he wanted to put his energy on that and SKT T1 being a BW team (at the time) he created his own new team to do what he wanted. Maybe YOU should get your facts straight
And that proves what part of my post wrong?
He declined an offer to rejoin SKT as a bw-coach when he chose SC2. Sure he started another team while in the airforce, but he could hardly play for SKT there.Nada got an insane amount of bad press (and crap from KESPA) for picking SC2 over BW. So the comparison is very real, meaning some people probably did view it as Boxer jumping ship when he started SC2.
I never thought he "jumped ship", one way or the other.
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Part 4:
- But a former OGS player (who is now in a foreign team) told me that though the restriction was lifted, they still instructed players not to practise with SlayerS informally. - This is the worst peak between SlayerS and other teams. Then they contacted us just before the eSports SC2 vision event. They wanted SlayerS to be the part of it. They have put restrictions on us because they didn't like how we were operating the team now they needed the BoxeR to be the significant figure. I have found what they were doing disgusting as they don't seem to have a sense of guilt. So I refused. They have never apologized me and I kept asking Mr Won whether the restriction has been lifted and he affirmed that there were no restrictions. But many players still told me that they were being instructed by the coach not to help us. I didn't even know who was telling the truth at this point.. I also was sad that players followed that instruction. But our players have been always helping other players from the team whenever they ask, this can be seen from their interviews. - Sleep, who is not in any team right now, is suffering the same. Just because he is staying in our team house. As of now, it is still happening. Mr Won claims that the restriction have been lifted and if he wants to dispute what I am claiming now - do so formally. He won't be able to deny as we have a player who used to be part of the federation.
Other 3 parts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041¤tpage=8#156
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On October 17 2012 22:26 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +Time was given to Puzzle, Coca and Min to think about their career and they have now switched to League of Legends I never realized this or did it just happen? Also Mr. Won sounds like an idiot in all of this. It's all very saddening but as we only have Slayers side of the story it's what I will base my opinions off of for now. The big plus for this story being published EITHER true or not is that we will soon hear other side, cause they need to defend themselves right?
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Comeon! They had an awsome name!
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another one bites the dust...
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On October 17 2012 22:25 redloser wrote: Hmm... I can't translate the whole thing 'cause my English kinda sucks and this is reallllly long... but the main points are:
1. Why Boxer joined SKT1
- Ganzi joins Slayers, and the Federation tried to punish him for not transferring properly, but it turns out the transfer didn't have any problem, but the Fed didn't apologize to Slayers.
- NASL deposit incident: (Mainly she talked with Won Jong Wook, the manager of Startale, but I'd just write the Federation) the Federation boycotted NASL, and asked Slayers to join the boycott. Slayers did, but nothing was earned from the boycott. So Slayers withdrew the boycott in the next season (NASL3). The Federation ostracized Slayers since then; the progamers in the Federation did not practice with Slayers anymore. Jessica complained that she didn't want the progamers on her team to be harmed, so she would disband the team, and the Federation could take the players from Slayers. She also mentioned she would sue the people involved for the problems with her sponsor after the aforementioned disband. The Federation apologized, but they still covertly prevent their players from practising with Slayers. Even Sleep, who is merely staying in Slayers house, is being ostracized. Jessica has a witness, who moved from the Federation to Slayers, so if the Federation tries to deny the fact, she would meet them in person.
- The MMA incident: Slayers had Manager J who worked with foreign assignments. Jessica entrusted Manager J with sponsor affairs. Manager J later said that sponsors demanded something different from Slayers' direction. Since Slayers was doing fine at that time, Jessica was curious, but did not delve deeply into the incident. Jessica figured that she could use her private money to run the team, and manage the sponsor affair later. However, Manager J was doing something doubtful, so Jessica investigated a little. Jessica found out that Manager J did not negotiate at all, or purposedly negotiated badly to cut off the sponsors. Moreover, Manager J told the Slayers progamers that Jessica embezzled the money from the sponsors. Even though Slayers clearly was running with the money from Boxer's private sponsorship, the players believed it, which Jessica couldn't understand. Jessica was especially disappointed with MMA, who really believed it, and listened to Manager J who asked MMA and some other players to quit Slayers, and make a team of their own. Jessica was more shocked that no players in Slayers told her about this happening. She thought of sueing the manager, but she didn't for the sake of her players. MMA told about quitting Slayers afterwards, and Jessica's faith in MMA started to disappear afterwards. MMA's superficial reason for quitting Slayers: 1) They were ostracized by other teams. MMA also had some affair with Crank: Crank wanted to quit gaming. Jessica listened to him and sent him home, but then figured out that Crank was looking for a foreign team. When Jessica called Crank, Crank said MMA asked him to leave Slayers with him. When Jessica asked MMA, MMA denied that. Recently, Crank called Jessica that Jessica tried to tie him into the Ryung, Alicia, MMA problem with him, and shouted at her. Boxer took the phone, and Crank said the same thing to him.
Boxer was really shocked because he devoted all his time and billions of money to run the team, but the players would only turn around and curse at him.
They decided to remove MMA from the team, but MMA did not return for days. And when he finally returned, Boxer told MMA that you are demoted to B-team, so you should go home. MMA said he would just quit the team right away, but Boxer told him that he can't because of the contract. MMA said it wasn't a contract, it was rather a slave contract. But Jessica mentioned that although the contract said to take a small portion of players' prize money, Jessica did not take any money from the contract.
So Boxer joined SKT1.
- Alicia and Ryung: Alicia was fine at first, but as he went to foreign tournaments, he wasn't fine anymore and he was really dissatisfied. When Jessica asked why, Alicia answered that when he returns to Korea, the manager did not pick him up. Jessica thought that was preposterous, and sent Alicia home. The contract would be renewed automatically unless Alicia calls her, which he didn't. But Jessica would not renew the contract and will dismiss Alicia from the team, due to a recent happening that cannot be opened right now. It is a really serious incident, but she would not mention it unless it is necessary.
-Why Clide went to KT: Clide was friendly with MMA, which made Jessica anxious. Jessica thought Clide should not be the same as MMA. Clide had many things to take care of, so Jessica persuaded him to pursue another dream, so he joined KT.
-Misunderstanding of players from Slayers: Ganzi, Taeja, Golden, and Sleep had no problem. They wanted to move teams, so Jessica let them.
Goddamn... Poor Boxer -.-
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this MMA incident is really peculiar.
Still very unclear of the full incident leading to Boxer leaving SlayerS
but if it is true, everything comes from Manager J???
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Liquid MMA Hwaitinngggggg!!!!!!! ;P
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this might be the single worst thing that has happened in SC2 since oGs disbanding since they were the flagship team. This is terrible.
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