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On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things.
Your post brings a very interesting point up, korean culture is different from American culture, I highly doubt MMA or any other korean on the team yelled at boxer especially, it's more so they were angry and dis-agreed/talked back like you said. I think this is a very important piece of information that a lot of people are forgetting.
I really wish we could see Boxers ACTUAL statement and not Jessica's own interpretation of "it" which heavily changes it and makes it sound worse then it is.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
On October 18 2012 14:44 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:39 Nostalgia.NA wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 SmokeMonster wrote:
Hmm.. is there not a single person in the SC2 community that can translate Korean into proper English? Brain cells died while reading through these translations. I personally didn't study Korean or English thoroughly so I apologize for the rubbish translations that I contributed. It's kinda hard because sentence structures of Korean and English grammar are completely flipped around and have different vibes to them even if they say the same thing. ): 그냥 하지마세요 저런 ㅅㄱㅈ 없는 시키들
Hey now it's just one guy (or a very small number) complaining. Most are grateful for the translations. Take it easy.
As for the translator, there's no need to apologise. I know how hard it is to translate from Korean to English (and vice versa) without having a firm grasp of both languages. As long as you get the meaning across, without adding or taking anything away, it's fine.
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On October 18 2012 14:34 SmokeMonster wrote:
Hmm.. is there not a single person in the SC2 community that can translate Korean into proper English? Brain cells died while reading through these translations.
not really sure you had many to begin with.
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On October 18 2012 14:55 openbox1 wrote:
Slayers Alicia comes across as the biggest tool in the shed.
Yup, man child sums it up pretty good.
ESF seems to be well on its way to become another KESPA. Not the good bits, but the take no prisoners, destroy anyone who doesn't toe the party line style.
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Waxangel/GSL/fionn/Alicia2.jpg)
Say that to his face.
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On October 18 2012 14:39 lilsusie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:34 SmokeMonster wrote:
Hmm.. is there not a single person in the SC2 community that can translate Korean into proper English? Brain cells died while reading through these translations. Or you can be thankful that these people translated Korean into English for you at all in the first place considering how long that wall of text was.
Definitely. Anyone who took it on themselves to translate that entire thing on their own should be commended. It's not only long but is very much written in a personal voice, nearing stream of consciousness in a couple places, making it much harder to translate than the usual news articles, announcements, or short interviews. Plus, there were more than a few spots where I felt she wasn't 100% clear.
That there were multiple translations done, not only Jessica's letter---just check out everything WaxAngel has been keeping on top of, and so quickly is testament of how great TL is! 
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On October 18 2012 14:52 Fionn wrote:
I really am interested in MMA's side of things. I'm sure if he said his part, the foreign community would more than likely be on the majority of his side. In Korea, with how big Boxer is and how they seem to be looking at Crank (who the foreign community loves), he could be roasted.
Was the biggest fan of MMA, but come on, Jessica stealing from sponsership money???
I think the biggest thing that helps Jessica in this case is that she's had a history of letting players go if they approach her correctly. Taeja had no problems leaving even though he was an ascending star at that time. He was honest and it worked. Same with a few others.
The other guys who created drama (albeit Jessica probably added to blowing it up) lied to her. They essentially escaped from their contracts claiming they wanted to leave SC2 and then joined a foreign team soon after or just didn't honor the clauses in their contracts. Especially since she has provided proof, those players talking shit about her lose all credibility.
But yeah, I don't think Jessica should manage a team, but this vitriol from the foreign community based on "oh there she goes again," is just a bit disgusting. Wouldn't you be pissed if players whom you invested time and effort backstabbed you again and again? The environment where Slayers was essentially a pariah due to the ESF being all dickish probably spurred a bunch of jittery progamers who tried to look out for number one.
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On October 18 2012 15:02 JSy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:39 lilsusie wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 SmokeMonster wrote:
Hmm.. is there not a single person in the SC2 community that can translate Korean into proper English? Brain cells died while reading through these translations. Or you can be thankful that these people translated Korean into English for you at all in the first place considering how long that wall of text was. Definitely. Anyone who took it on themselves to translate that entire thing on their own should be commended. It's not only long but is very much written in a personal voice, nearing stream of consciousness in a couple places, making it much harder to translate than the usual news articles, announcements, or short interviews. Plus, there were more than a few spots where I felt she wasn't 100% clear. That there were multiple translations done, not only Jessica's letter---just check out everything WaxAngel has been keeping on top of, and so quickly is testament of how great TL is!
Or how much sparetime Waxangel has. 
Just kidding, Waxangel did a great job with translating, keep that up.
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On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things.
thanks for this lilsusie
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On October 18 2012 15:01 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:34 SmokeMonster wrote:
Hmm.. is there not a single person in the SC2 community that can translate Korean into proper English? Brain cells died while reading through these translations. not really sure you had many to begin with.
Ooooooo~~ Now if only there was a like button 
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On October 18 2012 14:44 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:39 Nostalgia.NA wrote:On October 18 2012 14:34 SmokeMonster wrote:
Hmm.. is there not a single person in the SC2 community that can translate Korean into proper English? Brain cells died while reading through these translations. I personally didn't study Korean or English thoroughly so I apologize for the rubbish translations that I contributed. It's kinda hard because sentence structures of Korean and English grammar are completely flipped around and have different vibes to them even if they say the same thing. ): 그냥 하지마세요 저런 ㅅㄱㅈ 없는 시키들
i think it's good that someone does it though, we dont want these foreigners getting the wrong facts from google translate
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embezzlement is a serious charge, this is quite a big SC drama...the finance of the team came from Boxer's pocket as well as some sponsors, I don't think jessica would embezzle? Either way, this is why you shouldn't let your actress girlfriend manage a gaming team with no experience in managing or gaming, regardless of whether or not it's her fault or not.
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On October 18 2012 15:01 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:55 openbox1 wrote:
Slayers Alicia comes across as the biggest tool in the shed.
Yup, man child sums it up pretty good.
ESF seems to be well on its way to become another KESPA. Not the good bits, but the take no prisoners, destroy anyone who doesn't toe the party line style. Say that to his face.
I snorted water on my keyboard thanks to this!
Damn, nearly forgot about the orange faces where everyone went super saiyan thanks to the makeup department.
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The E-drama is as big as it gets. A little too big.
The only thing I am happy about in all of this is LoL is getting players from SC2. The age where Blizzard is the premiere game developer/e-sports leader is over and I am so glad over that.
Finally there are other companies that shows that if you stick behind your game, promote it in a proper way you can even be bigger than SC in Korea.
Mad props to Riot games!!!
Also MMA should go to EG.
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On October 18 2012 15:07 papaz wrote:
The E-drama is as big as it gets. A little too big.
The only thing I am happy about in all of this is LoL is getting players from SC2. The age where Blizzard is the premiere game developer/e-sports leader is over and I am so glad over that.
Finally there are other companies that shows that if you stick behind your game, promote it in a proper way you can even be bigger than SC in Korea.
Mad props to Riot games!!!
Also MMA should go to EG.
Don't know about that. EG seems to be a place progamers go to quietly end their gaming careers whilst doing funny ads for Kingston.
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On October 18 2012 15:10 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:07 papaz wrote:
The E-drama is as big as it gets. A little too big.
The only thing I am happy about in all of this is LoL is getting players from SC2. The age where Blizzard is the premiere game developer/e-sports leader is over and I am so glad over that.
Finally there are other companies that shows that if you stick behind your game, promote it in a proper way you can even be bigger than SC in Korea.
Mad props to Riot games!!!
Also MMA should go to EG. Don't know about that. EG seems to be a place progamers go to quietly end their gaming careers whilst doing funny ads for Kingston.
That was a low blow mate.
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On October 18 2012 15:03 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:52 Fionn wrote:
I really am interested in MMA's side of things. I'm sure if he said his part, the foreign community would more than likely be on the majority of his side. In Korea, with how big Boxer is and how they seem to be looking at Crank (who the foreign community loves), he could be roasted. Was the biggest fan of MMA, but come on, Jessica stealing from sponsership money??? I think the biggest thing that helps Jessica in this case is that she's had a history of letting players go if they approach her correctly. Taeja had no problems leaving even though he was an ascending star at that time. He was honest and it worked. Same with a few others. The other guys who created drama (albeit Jessica probably added to blowing it up) lied to her. They essentially escaped from their contracts claiming they wanted to leave SC2 and then joined a foreign team soon after or just didn't honor the clauses in their contracts. Especially since she has provided proof, those players talking shit about her lose all credibility. But yeah, I don't think Jessica should manage a team, but this vitriol from the foreign community based on "oh there she goes again," is just a bit disgusting. Wouldn't you be pissed if players whom you invested time and effort backstabbed you again and again? The environment where Slayers was essentially a pariah due to the ESF being all dickish probably spurred a bunch of jittery progamers who tried to look out for number one.
Well unfortunately for her, the foreign community knows next to nothing about her, what she does for the team and just label her as some crazy woman. So it is sort of expected to see the foreign community side with MMA/Crank because they been overseas and made connections and friends with members of the foreign community. So we will likely see bias towards MMA from his foreign friends and Crank from his team (obviously his team will defend his image no matter what... can`t blame them). Not saying it is right though, as I agree with you it is disgusting people will blindly dismiss what she says.
edit - and lol @ the oompa loompa pics
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On October 18 2012 15:04 MildSeven wrote:
embezzlement is a serious charge, this is quite a big SC drama...the finance of the team came from Boxer's pocket as well as some sponsors, I don't think jessica would embezzle? Either way, this is why you shouldn't let your actress girlfriend manage a gaming team with no experience in managing or gaming, regardless of whether or not it's her fault or not.
Her pocket actually
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Jessica has a knack for making things seem unnecessarily overdramatic.
I find it hard to believe that basically everyone acted in some crazy manner with absolutely no explanation behind it.
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On October 18 2012 15:03 openbox1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 14:52 Fionn wrote:
I really am interested in MMA's side of things. I'm sure if he said his part, the foreign community would more than likely be on the majority of his side. In Korea, with how big Boxer is and how they seem to be looking at Crank (who the foreign community loves), he could be roasted. Was the biggest fan of MMA, but come on, Jessica stealing from sponsership money??? I think the biggest thing that helps Jessica in this case is that she's had a history of letting players go if they approach her correctly. Taeja had no problems leaving even though he was an ascending star at that time. He was honest and it worked. Same with a few others. The other guys who created drama (albeit Jessica probably added to blowing it up) lied to her. They essentially escaped from their contracts claiming they wanted to leave SC2 and then joined a foreign team soon after or just didn't honor the clauses in their contracts. Especially since she has provided proof, those players talking shit about her lose all credibility. But yeah, I don't think Jessica should manage a team, but this vitriol from the foreign community based on "oh there she goes again," is just a bit disgusting. Wouldn't you be pissed if players whom you invested time and effort backstabbed you again and again? The environment where Slayers was essentially a pariah due to the ESF being all dickish probably spurred a bunch of jittery progamers who tried to look out for number one.
I think the claim that Jessica stole sponsorship money is just absurd. Isn't Jessica already a celebrity in Korea? It's not like her entire livelihood depends on e-sports. The biggest reason she's in this business is her passion IMO. Why would she sabotage her team like that when 1) she doesn't desperately need the money and 2) she's in this business mostly not for money but for passion?
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Wow this is really huge news. Slayers used to be my favorite team. Really sad it disappears like this. Poor Jessica 
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