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Mefano
Sweden190 Posts
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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AssyrianKing
Australia2116 Posts
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TrajanSC
Canada7 Posts
Jessica initially said this: Unless the player does not notify us by 6th October, the contract autumatically extends. He did not contact us showing his interest in quitting so it is an automatic extension. But he was expulsed from the team. Something happened very recently which I can't reveal. It's something that will be solved at a court and unforgivable but considering other people I won't reveal the details. After Jessicas initial statements explaining everything... Mr. Won replied with his own statements. This promoted another reply from Jessica which is as follows: Do you want me to reveal the truth? Head Coach Won. I told you clearly, it was something that a Startale player told one of our players very recently. For whatever reason, acting like a bully can't be forgiven. Do you guys see the connection here? Clearly Jessica has a problem with bullying and how eSF pushed SlayerS away. Anyone else make this connection? I am almost positive she is suing HIM or eSF, not sure. | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote: How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community... Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:16 dyDrawer wrote: I think the claim that Jessica stole sponsorship money is just absurd. Isn't Jessica already a celebrity in Korea? It's not like her entire livelihood depends on e-sports. The biggest reason she's in this business is her passion IMO. Why would she sabotage her team like that when 1) she doesn't desperately need the money and 2) she's in this business mostly not for money but for passion? I think MMA was just too gullible and believed this "J" character. Jessica found out about it, and in pure Jessica fashion, she lashes out instead of trying to diffuse the situation properly. This kind of behavior would put anyone on the defensive and definitely put MMA on the defensive and he lashed back. You don't attack a young adult who already has a bad image of you, you sit down with them and have a conversation (and not condescendingly either) until everything is solved, or at least aired out. MMA is at fault for his role in this as the gullible dummy, but Jessica is at fault just as much (if not more) for being a very poor manager that turns every situation into a TV Drama. | ||
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Mefano
Sweden190 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote: Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? Exactly, it just doesnt make sense, but I can see this pattern shaping often in places where there are few women and many men (and the other way around). The minority gets the blame, and thats such a shame | ||
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lambac0re
United States77 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote: Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? This. People seem to just enjoy bashing Jessica. Her outspoken attitude may put people off and lead them to call her a "Drama Queen" but she presented the evidence which was confirmed independently by Ace. Jessica and Boxer have done so much for Slayers and now when shit hits the fan, many of the players are showing just how immature and ungrateful they are to the people who cared so much for them. "- Wanted to give up entering GSTL as half the main players are gone and even many players who were still bound by a contract refused to play. But remaining players were eager to play so still entered. We knew it was near impossible to win but we entered to give players experiences that they wanted. And this bonded the remaining players." This line right here from Jessica's statement... If that doesn't show somebody who cares deeply about their team then I don't even. | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
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Mefano
Sweden190 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:38 Dosey wrote: I think MMA was just too gullible and believed this "J" character. Jessica found out about it, and in pure Jessica fashion, she lashes out instead of trying to diffuse the situation properly. This kind of behavior would put anyone on the defensive and definitely put MMA on the defensive and he lashed back. You don't attack a young adult who already has a bad image of you, you sit down with them and have a conversation (and not condescendingly either) until everything is solved, or at least aired out. MMA is at fault for his role in this as the gullible dummy, but Jessica is at fault just as much (if not more) for being a very poor manager that turns every situation into a TV Drama. Is it just me that doesn't see how she turns every situation into a TV Drama? How come you interpret her involvement as drama but not the others? More specifically, why would you focus on her creating drama for speaking up? This is not just some petty situation, its pretty big. Unless you didnt notice SlayerS is disbanding! | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18224 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote: Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying. Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist. | ||
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bucckevin
858 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote: How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community... Because of a past incident with the whole twitter thing and SlayerS`Eve... Korean culture is different and they seem to have a law against cyber bullying(or was it just making false accusation on the internet?). Some dude on some blog/forum/or twitter said something and she wanted to use her right to sue him and expressed it on twitter. The foreign community(pretty much us) didn't understand why she would go to the extreme like this and started bashing her for overreacting to things and being a drama queen. | ||
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:38 Dosey wrote: I think MMA was just too gullible and believed this "J" character. Jessica found out about it, and in pure Jessica fashion, she lashes out instead of trying to diffuse the situation properly. This kind of behavior would put anyone on the defensive and definitely put MMA on the defensive and he lashed back. You don't attack a young adult who already has a bad image of you, you sit down with them and have a conversation (and not condescendingly either) until everything is solved, or at least aired out. MMA is at fault for his role in this as the gullible dummy, but Jessica is at fault just as much (if not more) for being a very poor manager that turns every situation into a TV Drama. You started out good, for about one sentence. How the fuck do you know what Jessica did? "pure Jessica fashion" means jack shit. We know very little about his she manages her team on a daily basis. Seriously, you make yourself look like an ass when you assume things like that. You are blindly assuming she attacked a young adult(literally your words). You are speaking in facts about a situation where you have no idea what details actually happened. We know Manager J ruined some sponsorship deals, and convinced several players that it was Jessica's fault, and that he was going to start a team with sponsors. They believed him. This caused ill feelings among the team. Jessica may have turned it into a TV drama and yelled at MMA. She may have been a responsible adult and tried to explain it. I don't know, neither do you. It is hard enough to sort through translated drama like this, without people making blind statements that have no facts behind them. | ||
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dark_dragoon10
United States299 Posts
slayers. At least theres SKT1, a real team. | ||
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Mefano
Sweden190 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote: I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying. Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist. Okay I'm done arguing about this, just saying there is a trend in blaming ladies first if they are at hand. I don't want to draw focus from the real problem here, and I don't see how Jessica is it. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote: Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? She's definitely a victim. But she also shares some blame too. This whole mess is because all of the bad management and communication from both Slayers side and eSF side. All parties should just learn the word "professional". | ||
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Mefano
Sweden190 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:43 bucckevin wrote: Because of a past incident with the whole twitter thing and SlayerS`Eve... Korean culture is different and they seem to have a law against cyber bullying(or was it just making false accusation on the internet?). Some dude on some blog/forum/or twitter said something and she wanted to use her right to sue him and expressed it on twitter. The foreign community(pretty much us) didn't understand why she would go to the extreme like this and started bashing her for overreacting to things and being a drama queen. But she obviously isnt the one to blame here, you agree? | ||
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Mefano
Sweden190 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:48 Veldril wrote: She's definitely a victim. But she also shares some blame too. This whole mess is because all of the bad management and communication from both Slayers side and eSF side. All parties should just learn the word "professional". Totally agree, all share blame in this. It's just sad to see so many young people blaming her first hand when I've seen that trend so many times | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:45 Sikly wrote: You started out good, for about one sentence. How the fuck do you know what Jessica did? "pure Jessica fashion" means jack shit. We know very little about his she manages her team on a daily basis. Seriously, you make yourself look like an ass when you assume things like that. You are blindly assuming she attacked a young adult(literally your words). You are speaking in facts about a situation where you have no idea what details actually happened. We know Manager J ruined some sponsorship deals, and convinced several players that it was Jessica's fault, and that he was going to start a team with sponsors. They believed him. This caused ill feelings among the team. Jessica may have turned it into a TV drama and yelled at MMA. She may have been a responsible adult and tried to explain it. I don't know, neither do you. It is hard enough to sort through translated drama like this, without people making blind statements that have no facts behind them. Since when did "I think" translate into "This statement is pure fact and you should take it how it is!"? The way she acts on twitter, how she lashed out against very many of her own players and then suddenly kept quiet about the punishment like it was some huge dea. Her own words in the statement showed how aggressive she was towards anyone who "disrespected" her or the team. Those instances lead me to draw my own conclusion and form an opinion. This is a forum, a place for opinions and discussion, after all. If you want facts, just read the articles and then move along without reading the comments. Don't come in here and call me an ass because you disagree with my opinion, it makes you look like the ass yourself. | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote: I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying. Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist. Okay so lets say Jessica was infact James, aka not female. "Prominent" male members of the community have infact stirred just as much shit but it seems only Jessica gets stuck with the 'drama queen' label. And it's even worse because as mentioned she actually has a very successful and mainstream career in Korea whilst everyone else involved asides from Boxer is just, to be blunt, small-fry. I can't believe people are still denying that the whole 'Jessica is a drama-queen' narrative is nothing but sexist and does nothing but demean the community further than it already has been. | ||
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