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On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote:On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote:
How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community... Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying. Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist.
It's not ignorant and it's not sexist. It's stating the facts. When she is involved, people tend to start calling attention to how she is always at the "center of the drama" and being a "drama queen," that it can't be coincidence that she is always involved in shit like this. I mean, the term "drama queen" is sexist in and of itself. You don't hear people calling out the other coaches for being, idk, drama kings or bastards (for the most part, they did earlier, but as is the case, allegations against Jessica >>> allegations against the other coaches), you just hear people railing on and on about how Jessica's overly dramatic, overly emotional, unsuited for leadership roles because of her tendency to overreact, etc. -- all of which are, by the way, charges that are often levied against women in particular when they show a strong hand. (The one exception I can think of to this case is TSL's Coach Lee for his reaction to the PuMa and aLive situations.) I suppose if one wanted to be less sexist, one might just want to call her "incompetent" as a manager instead of bringing up all these charges about her being too dramatic and emotional and such.
That said, I do agree that she probably exaggerated some claims, but I still believe that the core of what she has said is probably true.
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On October 18 2012 15:52 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote:On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote:
How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community... Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying. Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist. Okay so lets say Jessica was infact James, aka not female. "Prominent" male members of the community have infact stirred just as much shit but it seems only Jessica gets stuck with the 'drama queen' label. And it's even worse because as mentioned she actually has a very successful and mainstream career in Korea whilst everyone else involved asides from Boxer is just, to be blunt, small-fry. I can't believe people are still denying that the whole 'Jessica is a drama-queen' narrative is nothing but sexist and does nothing but demean the community further than it already has been.
A career in acting, not management. She is definitely not the best manager out there, despite her well intentions. As for the comment about Coach Lee, she's acting the same way, and I will treat them the same.
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On October 18 2012 15:52 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote:On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote:
How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community... Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying. Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist. Okay so lets say Jessica was infact James, aka not female. "Prominent" male members of the community have infact stirred just as much shit but it seems only Jessica gets stuck with the 'drama queen' label. And it's even worse because as mentioned she actually has a very successful and mainstream career in Korea whilst everyone else involved asides from Boxer is just, to be blunt, small-fry. I can't believe people are still denying that the whole 'Jessica is a drama-queen' narrative is nothing but sexist and does nothing but demean the community further than it already has been.
I find it hard to believe that people calling Jessica a drama queen are not to some extent influenced by that old career woman stereotype of being pushy, emotional and manipulative.
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On October 18 2012 15:50 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:45 Sikly wrote:On October 18 2012 15:38 Dosey wrote:On October 18 2012 15:16 dyDrawer wrote:On October 18 2012 15:03 openbox1 wrote:On October 18 2012 14:52 Fionn wrote:
I really am interested in MMA's side of things. I'm sure if he said his part, the foreign community would more than likely be on the majority of his side. In Korea, with how big Boxer is and how they seem to be looking at Crank (who the foreign community loves), he could be roasted. Was the biggest fan of MMA, but come on, Jessica stealing from sponsership money??? I think the biggest thing that helps Jessica in this case is that she's had a history of letting players go if they approach her correctly. Taeja had no problems leaving even though he was an ascending star at that time. He was honest and it worked. Same with a few others. The other guys who created drama (albeit Jessica probably added to blowing it up) lied to her. They essentially escaped from their contracts claiming they wanted to leave SC2 and then joined a foreign team soon after or just didn't honor the clauses in their contracts. Especially since she has provided proof, those players talking shit about her lose all credibility. But yeah, I don't think Jessica should manage a team, but this vitriol from the foreign community based on "oh there she goes again," is just a bit disgusting. Wouldn't you be pissed if players whom you invested time and effort backstabbed you again and again? The environment where Slayers was essentially a pariah due to the ESF being all dickish probably spurred a bunch of jittery progamers who tried to look out for number one. I think the claim that Jessica stole sponsorship money is just absurd. Isn't Jessica already a celebrity in Korea? It's not like her entire livelihood depends on e-sports. The biggest reason she's in this business is her passion IMO. Why would she sabotage her team like that when 1) she doesn't desperately need the money and 2) she's in this business mostly not for money but for passion? I think MMA was just too gullible and believed this "J" character. Jessica found out about it, and in pure Jessica fashion, she lashes out instead of trying to diffuse the situation properly. This kind of behavior would put anyone on the defensive and definitely put MMA on the defensive and he lashed back. You don't attack a young adult who already has a bad image of you, you sit down with them and have a conversation (and not condescendingly either) until everything is solved, or at least aired out. MMA is at fault for his role in this as the gullible dummy, but Jessica is at fault just as much (if not more) for being a very poor manager that turns every situation into a TV Drama. You started out good, for about one sentence. How the fuck do you know what Jessica did? "pure Jessica fashion" means jack shit. We know very little about his she manages her team on a daily basis. Seriously, you make yourself look like an ass when you assume things like that. You are blindly assuming she attacked a young adult(literally your words). You are speaking in facts about a situation where you have no idea what details actually happened. We know Manager J ruined some sponsorship deals, and convinced several players that it was Jessica's fault, and that he was going to start a team with sponsors. They believed him. This caused ill feelings among the team. Jessica may have turned it into a TV drama and yelled at MMA. She may have been a responsible adult and tried to explain it. I don't know, neither do you. It is hard enough to sort through translated drama like this, without people making blind statements that have no facts behind them. Since when did "I think" translate into "This statement is pure fact and you should take it how it is!"? The way she acts on twitter, how she lashed out against very many of her own players and then suddenly kept quiet about the punishment like it was some huge dea. Her own words in the statement showed how aggressive she was towards anyone who "disrespected" her or the team. Those instances lead me to draw my own conclusion and form an opinion. This is a forum, a place for opinions and discussion, after all. If you want facts, just read the articles and then move along without reading the comments. Don't come in here and call me an ass because you disagree with my opinion, it makes you look like the ass yourself.
I think you just don't like Jessica for being protective of her players... that's what she did on twitter. You accuse her of being a drama queen and then later criticize her for trying to keep things in house for as long as she could.
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I rather wait and see what more comes up so i can understand both sides of the story better about this drama.
The fact that the team disbanded however is clearly because of Jessica's Management shortcomings.
If you let your team get such a mess you as a coach/manager/owner are doing things wrong be it ignorance, pasion give it any excuse you want but as the team "Manager/Owner" it's your responsibility to keep things on track.
To much of wanting something but not being able to use it, and all the players have suffered for it.
I hope this is a lesson well learned.
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On October 18 2012 15:55 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:52 Taku wrote:On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote:On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote:
How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community... Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying. Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist. Okay so lets say Jessica was infact James, aka not female. "Prominent" male members of the community have infact stirred just as much shit but it seems only Jessica gets stuck with the 'drama queen' label. And it's even worse because as mentioned she actually has a very successful and mainstream career in Korea whilst everyone else involved asides from Boxer is just, to be blunt, small-fry. I can't believe people are still denying that the whole 'Jessica is a drama-queen' narrative is nothing but sexist and does nothing but demean the community further than it already has been. A career in acting, not management. She is definitely not the best manager out there, despite her well intentions.
Yes but surely you agree that said career puts her in a position to have better interpersonal, professional, and contractual abilities than the teenagers and apparent amateurs she's dealing with, no?
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On October 18 2012 15:46 Mefano wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote:On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote:
How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community... Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying. Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist. Okay I'm done arguing about this, just saying there is a trend in blaming ladies first if they are at hand. I don't want to draw focus from the real problem here, and I don't see how Jessica is it.
Sure Jessica isn't the main problem, but it is a problem that she changes information and exaggerates it to an extreme:
On October 18 2012 14:19 lilsusie wrote:
Talked to MMA this morning, he's on the fence about writing his side of it or not because he's afraid that it's gonna get blown up even bigger. But if he doesn't say something then he's afraid the community will think ill of him because of Jessica's words which he says are not completely true. And from knowing MMA in person, he's always been super respectful, I doubt he'd ever "yell" at Boxer (which, I doubt Crank did too; he probably just "talked back" to him which might be considered "yelling" to Jessica).
Part of the conversation I had:
[1:42:50 PM] 문성원: 요환이형이 (Boxer is)
[1:42:51 PM] 문성원: 중간에 껴있어서 (caught in the middle)
[1:42:59 PM] 문성원: 제가 요환이형을 욕할순 없어요 (I can't talk bad about Boxer, rather the implication through context of the whole conversation was "I couldn't talk bad about Boxer [because he respects him])
I am super looking forward to seeing his side of things.
Again I would love to hear a statement from Boxer/MMA and not just her side, Jessica/Boxer and whoever else ran Slayers did a poor job of managing the team, the less Boxer got involved the worse it got/ that and the mr "J" guy, internal problems could not be handled properly and it lead to the teams disbandment. It's not a trend about "blaming ladies" Jessica for a fact is known to be a drama queen and is known to misconstrue statements. The manager person obviously a huge part of this and whether or not embezzlement actually occurred is unknown. Slayers self imploded .
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On October 18 2012 15:56 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:50 Dosey wrote:On October 18 2012 15:45 Sikly wrote:On October 18 2012 15:38 Dosey wrote:On October 18 2012 15:16 dyDrawer wrote:On October 18 2012 15:03 openbox1 wrote:On October 18 2012 14:52 Fionn wrote:
I really am interested in MMA's side of things. I'm sure if he said his part, the foreign community would more than likely be on the majority of his side. In Korea, with how big Boxer is and how they seem to be looking at Crank (who the foreign community loves), he could be roasted. Was the biggest fan of MMA, but come on, Jessica stealing from sponsership money??? I think the biggest thing that helps Jessica in this case is that she's had a history of letting players go if they approach her correctly. Taeja had no problems leaving even though he was an ascending star at that time. He was honest and it worked. Same with a few others. The other guys who created drama (albeit Jessica probably added to blowing it up) lied to her. They essentially escaped from their contracts claiming they wanted to leave SC2 and then joined a foreign team soon after or just didn't honor the clauses in their contracts. Especially since she has provided proof, those players talking shit about her lose all credibility. But yeah, I don't think Jessica should manage a team, but this vitriol from the foreign community based on "oh there she goes again," is just a bit disgusting. Wouldn't you be pissed if players whom you invested time and effort backstabbed you again and again? The environment where Slayers was essentially a pariah due to the ESF being all dickish probably spurred a bunch of jittery progamers who tried to look out for number one. I think the claim that Jessica stole sponsorship money is just absurd. Isn't Jessica already a celebrity in Korea? It's not like her entire livelihood depends on e-sports. The biggest reason she's in this business is her passion IMO. Why would she sabotage her team like that when 1) she doesn't desperately need the money and 2) she's in this business mostly not for money but for passion? I think MMA was just too gullible and believed this "J" character. Jessica found out about it, and in pure Jessica fashion, she lashes out instead of trying to diffuse the situation properly. This kind of behavior would put anyone on the defensive and definitely put MMA on the defensive and he lashed back. You don't attack a young adult who already has a bad image of you, you sit down with them and have a conversation (and not condescendingly either) until everything is solved, or at least aired out. MMA is at fault for his role in this as the gullible dummy, but Jessica is at fault just as much (if not more) for being a very poor manager that turns every situation into a TV Drama. You started out good, for about one sentence. How the fuck do you know what Jessica did? "pure Jessica fashion" means jack shit. We know very little about his she manages her team on a daily basis. Seriously, you make yourself look like an ass when you assume things like that. You are blindly assuming she attacked a young adult(literally your words). You are speaking in facts about a situation where you have no idea what details actually happened. We know Manager J ruined some sponsorship deals, and convinced several players that it was Jessica's fault, and that he was going to start a team with sponsors. They believed him. This caused ill feelings among the team. Jessica may have turned it into a TV drama and yelled at MMA. She may have been a responsible adult and tried to explain it. I don't know, neither do you. It is hard enough to sort through translated drama like this, without people making blind statements that have no facts behind them. Since when did "I think" translate into "This statement is pure fact and you should take it how it is!"? The way she acts on twitter, how she lashed out against very many of her own players and then suddenly kept quiet about the punishment like it was some huge dea. Her own words in the statement showed how aggressive she was towards anyone who "disrespected" her or the team. Those instances lead me to draw my own conclusion and form an opinion. This is a forum, a place for opinions and discussion, after all. If you want facts, just read the articles and then move along without reading the comments. Don't come in here and call me an ass because you disagree with my opinion, it makes you look like the ass yourself. I think you just don't like Jessica for being protective of her players... that's what she did on twitter. You accuse her of being a drama queen and then later criticize her for trying to keep things in house for as long as she could.
Making a huge deal about something publicly and then suddenly shutting down all communication about the situation does not protect anything, it usually tends to make things worse. Do you not remember the 100+ page thread about MMA getting benched with all kinds of wild speculation? That did more harm than good, especially for MMA's image. They could have easily just said "MMA got into a verbal altercation with staff about the going-ons of the SlayerS team and was punished by being sent to the B-Team indefinitely." That says exactly what happened without revealing any in-depth information about all the drama that was happening.
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In a situation like this where two sides have a different story, it all comes down to trust. Unfortunately considering Jessica past action I'm more inclined to believe the player side/ ESF side of the story, especially the one from the IM coach and Ace.
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I feel absolutely horrible for Genius. It still feels like he just joined to me, and he was a good fit for the team. Genius is actually good enough to end up on a high paying foreigner team or a team... like.... team....
liquid.
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On October 18 2012 16:05 Jetaap wrote:
In a situation like this where two sides have a different story, it all comes down to trust. Unfortunately considering Jessica past action I more inclined to believe the player side/ ESF side of the story, especially the one from the IM coach and Ace.
Then you clearly know nothing about the past events of SlayerS.
What she said in that article may seem dramatic but the core of what she said is true.
IMHirai and Ace post inherently confirmed this.
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On October 18 2012 16:06 Maasked wrote:
I feel absolutely horrible for Genius. It still feels like he just joined to me, and he was a good fit for the team. Genius is actually good enough to end up on a high paying foreigner team or a team... like.... team....
liquid.
Well now we know why Genius never expressed excitement about joining SlayerS in his interviews. In fact, he usually sounded quite disappointed.
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On October 18 2012 16:06 Maasked wrote:
I feel absolutely horrible for Genius. It still feels like he just joined to me, and he was a good fit for the team. Genius is actually good enough to end up on a high paying foreigner team or a team... like.... team....
liquid.
Too bad TL rejected him.
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On October 18 2012 16:04 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:56 bucckevin wrote:On October 18 2012 15:50 Dosey wrote:On October 18 2012 15:45 Sikly wrote:On October 18 2012 15:38 Dosey wrote:On October 18 2012 15:16 dyDrawer wrote:On October 18 2012 15:03 openbox1 wrote:On October 18 2012 14:52 Fionn wrote:
I really am interested in MMA's side of things. I'm sure if he said his part, the foreign community would more than likely be on the majority of his side. In Korea, with how big Boxer is and how they seem to be looking at Crank (who the foreign community loves), he could be roasted. Was the biggest fan of MMA, but come on, Jessica stealing from sponsership money??? I think the biggest thing that helps Jessica in this case is that she's had a history of letting players go if they approach her correctly. Taeja had no problems leaving even though he was an ascending star at that time. He was honest and it worked. Same with a few others. The other guys who created drama (albeit Jessica probably added to blowing it up) lied to her. They essentially escaped from their contracts claiming they wanted to leave SC2 and then joined a foreign team soon after or just didn't honor the clauses in their contracts. Especially since she has provided proof, those players talking shit about her lose all credibility. But yeah, I don't think Jessica should manage a team, but this vitriol from the foreign community based on "oh there she goes again," is just a bit disgusting. Wouldn't you be pissed if players whom you invested time and effort backstabbed you again and again? The environment where Slayers was essentially a pariah due to the ESF being all dickish probably spurred a bunch of jittery progamers who tried to look out for number one. I think the claim that Jessica stole sponsorship money is just absurd. Isn't Jessica already a celebrity in Korea? It's not like her entire livelihood depends on e-sports. The biggest reason she's in this business is her passion IMO. Why would she sabotage her team like that when 1) she doesn't desperately need the money and 2) she's in this business mostly not for money but for passion? I think MMA was just too gullible and believed this "J" character. Jessica found out about it, and in pure Jessica fashion, she lashes out instead of trying to diffuse the situation properly. This kind of behavior would put anyone on the defensive and definitely put MMA on the defensive and he lashed back. You don't attack a young adult who already has a bad image of you, you sit down with them and have a conversation (and not condescendingly either) until everything is solved, or at least aired out. MMA is at fault for his role in this as the gullible dummy, but Jessica is at fault just as much (if not more) for being a very poor manager that turns every situation into a TV Drama. You started out good, for about one sentence. How the fuck do you know what Jessica did? "pure Jessica fashion" means jack shit. We know very little about his she manages her team on a daily basis. Seriously, you make yourself look like an ass when you assume things like that. You are blindly assuming she attacked a young adult(literally your words). You are speaking in facts about a situation where you have no idea what details actually happened. We know Manager J ruined some sponsorship deals, and convinced several players that it was Jessica's fault, and that he was going to start a team with sponsors. They believed him. This caused ill feelings among the team. Jessica may have turned it into a TV drama and yelled at MMA. She may have been a responsible adult and tried to explain it. I don't know, neither do you. It is hard enough to sort through translated drama like this, without people making blind statements that have no facts behind them. Since when did "I think" translate into "This statement is pure fact and you should take it how it is!"? The way she acts on twitter, how she lashed out against very many of her own players and then suddenly kept quiet about the punishment like it was some huge dea. Her own words in the statement showed how aggressive she was towards anyone who "disrespected" her or the team. Those instances lead me to draw my own conclusion and form an opinion. This is a forum, a place for opinions and discussion, after all. If you want facts, just read the articles and then move along without reading the comments. Don't come in here and call me an ass because you disagree with my opinion, it makes you look like the ass yourself. I think you just don't like Jessica for being protective of her players... that's what she did on twitter. You accuse her of being a drama queen and then later criticize her for trying to keep things in house for as long as she could. Making a huge deal about something publicly and then suddenly shutting down all communication about the situation does not protect anything, it usually tends to make things worse. Do you not remember the 100+ page thread about MMA getting benched with all kinds of wild speculation? That did more harm than good, especially for MMA's image. They could have easily just said "MMA got into a verbal altercation with staff about the going-ons of the SlayerS team and was punished by being sent to the B-Team indefinitely." That says exactly what happened without revealing any in-depth information about all the drama that was happening.
Well were you one of the many that bashed her for being too dramatic about defending her players? I guess you want your cake and you want to eat it too.
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On October 18 2012 16:09 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 16:06 Maasked wrote:
I feel absolutely horrible for Genius. It still feels like he just joined to me, and he was a good fit for the team. Genius is actually good enough to end up on a high paying foreigner team or a team... like.... team....
liquid. Too bad TL rejected him.
Not "too bad" really, especially given Genius's lack of professionalism in revealing that tidbit to us in a public interview. 
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Aw man, SlayerS was my favorite team... T_T
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On October 18 2012 16:05 Jetaap wrote:
In a situation like this where two sides have a different story, it all comes down to trust. Unfortunately considering Jessica past action I more inclined to believe the player side/ ESF side of the story, especially the one from the IM coach and Ace.
This doesn't even make sense. Which part of her "past action" makes her untrustworthy?
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On October 18 2012 16:09 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 16:06 Maasked wrote:
I feel absolutely horrible for Genius. It still feels like he just joined to me, and he was a good fit for the team. Genius is actually good enough to end up on a high paying foreigner team or a team... like.... team....
liquid. Too bad TL rejected him.
And even more stupid is to tell it to the world. Teams will think twice now before talking with him, as he just shares what should be kept between him and a possible team.
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On October 18 2012 15:54 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 15:43 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2012 15:32 Taku wrote:On October 18 2012 15:21 Mefano wrote:
How did people even start to blame Jessica in any way shape or form? Was there something I missed out on reading? Is the prejudice towards women so big? I sure as hell don't see what she did wrong except doing so much for everyone, now she is mad because she was backstabbed people dismiss her? What the hell, this makes me loose faith in the sc2 community... Agree with this, not sure if it's misogyny, some grudge, bandwagoning , or just being stupid. I mean really, who has a higher chance of being out of their depth and unprofessional: A woman who is already famous and well off as an actor and entertainer or some glory-chasing teenagers/young adults who haven't done much else in the world? I don't think anybody is doubting that Jessica's trying hard to lead the team. However, this is not the first incident of her causing e-drama over something the players/other teams/the press did. Additionally, it is not a 1v1: she is blaming a LOT of people (players, coaches, managers). It is simple Ockham's razor to say she is blowing shit out of proportion, rather than that ALL those other people are lying. Being a drama queen is not doing anybody any favours, least of all Jessica herself. And being a woman has absolutely nothing to do with it. In fact, I would say you people implying that the only reason people side against Jessica is because she's a woman is ignorant and sexist. It's not ignorant and it's not sexist. It's stating the facts. When she is involved, people tend to start calling attention to how she is always at the "center of the drama" and being a "drama queen," that it can't be coincidence that she is always involved in shit like this. I mean, the term "drama queen" is sexist in and of itself. You don't hear people calling out the other coaches for being, idk, drama kings or bastards (for the most part, they did earlier, but as is the case, allegations against Jessica >>> allegations against the other coaches), you just hear people railing on and on about how Jessica's overly dramatic, overly emotional, unsuited for leadership roles because of her tendency to overreact, etc. -- all of which are, by the way, charges that are often levied against women in particular when they show a strong hand. (The one exception I can think of to this case is TSL's Coach Lee for his reaction to the PuMa and aLive situations.) I suppose if one wanted to be less sexist, one might just want to call her "incompetent" as a manager instead of bringing up all these charges about her being too dramatic and emotional and such. That said, I do agree that she probably exaggerated some claims, but I still believe that the core of what she has said is probably true.
What are you even talking about? She's involved in a lot of drama. People comment on the fact that she's involved in a lot of drama. That's not sexist.
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