EPTThere are people who thing the game is too easy and needs to get harder to get more successfull.
Other people say that the game need to get more casual friendly to attract more players, to gain more money and finally to get more successfull.
Funny.
Destiny on where he thinks SC2 is heading. - Page 20
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enemy2010
Germany1972 Posts
There are people who thing the game is too easy and needs to get harder to get more successfull. Other people say that the game need to get more casual friendly to attract more players, to gain more money and finally to get more successfull. Funny. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:17 Tobberoth wrote: I think it's fine to whne about SC2 having a pretty crappy UI, but let's not make shit up. There are chat channels there, and a lot of people use them. "only being able to talk with opponents" is a lie. But youre not really going to find out which chat channels are frequently used? And I dont think youre really reading my post correctly. | ||
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RTSDealer
286 Posts
Maybe it's time for Blizzard to look into the Free to play option (for multiplayer) if it wants to compete with Valve. Release Starcraft 2 as a free to play game then let people have the option to: * Buy the HOTS campaign * Buy name change * Buy decals * Buy tags * Buy clan names * Buy portraits * Buying professional team pennants (see Dota 2's team pennants) * Buy /dance moves This way, Starcraft 2 is more accessible to a whole lot more people and Blizzard can earn more than just 60 USD per person. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:12 foxmeep wrote: Also, too many people are hosting tournaments these days (and for the past x months/years). No one would give a shit about the Olympics or World Cup if it was on once a month. PL, MSL, OSL was perfect. There was anticipation and hype and more than just a pay cheque on the line. SC2 has none of this. I watch a couple of European football leagues and the NHL. The football leagues have games wed/sat-sun and hockey is on every day of the week [or at least it used to be before a player strike]. | ||
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windzor
Denmark1013 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:18 enemy2010 wrote: I feel like the community is about to be splitted in two halves. There are people who thing the game is too easy and needs to get harder to get more successfull. Other people say that the game need to get more casual friendly to attract more players, to gain more money and finally to get more successfull. Funny. I bet there is a correlation between the skills level of the players and which camp they belong to  | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:18 Beyonder wrote: But youre not really going to find out which chat channels are frequently used? And I dont think youre really reading my post correctly. The old technology was so amazing, not only you started in lobby but you started in a lobby based on your location. Probably first thing most of us have done in Old Bnet was to say hi in your own language and see people respond. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:17 Cuce wrote: ok, fisrt of all I can make any claim I want, thats kinda how conversation works, you made your claim, then I did. I can go ahead on how you are compeletly lacking on rts department, and how dare you speak of whats casual or not, without spending days playting mega lo mania, but thats not productive. I played dota 2 I played dota, its garbage. it is. I spent years playing wc3, every once a while friends woudl want me to join in their dota, I always did, and I always thought it was ggarbage. Thing is I spent days playing that garbage cause its casual cause its soothing. I'm not calling you garbage, I'm calling the game garbage. and I have right to do so. On the other hand, I dont expect anyone to make a new run a c64 game tournemants, just like I dont expenct anyone to hand in sc2 scene anythign it does not deserve. just dota2's might to be financial success is no reason to supprt a game I dont like enjoy, and think that its garbage. I dont support popular games, its the other way around, we support games we enjoy, and in result they become popular. surely more people will support mobas than starcraft 2, we always knew that. As I already said, you have the right to support any game you want, no matter how futile it is. The point of this topic however, and the discussion in general, is that people want SC2 to be this huge great esports title with awesome support from Blizzard etc, which isn't going to happen. So for people who are looking for this kind of thing, putting your faith in Dota 2 makes sense because it has a ton going for it which SC2 severely lacks. That doesn't mean you can't support SC2 all you want. Hell, support windows solitare. Just don't put your faith in it becoming what Destiny is has hopes for. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:14 Beyonder wrote: The level of cluelessness in your post is appalling. SC2 is indeed so welcoming that you need to be incredibly lucky to find teamliquid, or youre never going to talk to anyone besides the opponents that you have no time to talk to. I came to teamliquid after using this facility we call "google". I believe it is the most commonly used website in the world. The Liquipedia is the 8th link after searching for Starcraft 2. In fact, I'll make you look even more stupid by doing the following: Terran Strategy: 1st Protoss Strategy: 1st Zerg Strategy: 1st Starcraft 2 Strategy: 1st Hell even if I type in something as wishy washy as "how to play Starcraft 2" the liquipedia features on the first page. Guess what the first three queries of most new players to a game will be. They want to find out how the fuck to play it. EVERY SINGLE ATTEMPT leads you to TeamLiquid. I might add this is also true on Yahoo as well. It is in fact you that are clueless. Stop focusing on how shit Battle.net is and realize that the majority of support structures in any multiplayer game exist OUTSIDE THE GAME and in Starcraft 2's case, this site is it. Google confirms it. Most players will come here looking for strategy and if they stay in the community, that's great. If you seriously need to be lucky to type in the words "zerg strategy" into google then who the fuck is playing this game because they aren't people that make any sense. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:18 enemy2010 wrote: I feel like the community is about to be splitted in two halves. There are people who thing the game is too easy and needs to get harder to get more successfull. Other people say that the game need to get more casual friendly to attract more players, to gain more money and finally to get more successfull. Funny. you misread his post he's saying that there needs to be a casual aspect (all the noob friendly achievements and game modes) to the game as well as a competitive one, atm the casual aspect is seriously lacking, he's not saying you can't have one without the other | ||
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:18 enemy2010 wrote: I feel like the community is about to be splitted in two halves. There are people who thing the game is too easy and needs to get harder to get more successfull. Other people say that the game need to get more casual friendly to attract more players, to gain more money and finally to get more successfull. Funny. The community is trying to find SC2 a path because Blizzard has failed to. | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On October 17 2012 17:51 Patate wrote: THIS. This man has just nailed it. Starcraft 2 will not grow if it becomes more casual, it needs to be the hardcore E-sport, and right now Brood War still is. Yes, limited unit selection and manually clicking on production structures are tedious, but it differentiates the greatest player of all from the great ones. Flash would never be OSL champion and then fall into "code A" 2 seasons later. Only in SC2, where the skill ceiling is lower, that this happens. You didn't watch much BW did you? Bisu getting shanked in OSL qualifiers... Stork getting flopped by Shine... A higher skill ceiling in pure mechanics also means that mental game becomes seriously important as well as that talentless hacks with pure mechanics can just smother innovators... | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:18 Beyonder wrote: But youre not really going to find out which chat channels are frequently used? And I dont think youre really reading my post correctly. There are "official" chat channels linked automatically, they have a lot of people in them and are active, no problem there. And honestly, it's not so much about your specific post as the mindset in general. So many people claim that they always feel alone on BNet, when it's up to them to go find active chat channels. The only real difference between BNet and BNet 2.0 is that you aren't forced into a chat channel by default. | ||
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:24 ShatterZer0 wrote: You didn't watch much BW did you? Bisu getting shanked in OSL qualifiers... Stork getting flopped by Shine... A higher skill ceiling in pure mechanics also means that mental game becomes seriously important as well as that talentless hacks with pure mechanics can just smother innovators... My point was that it has never been a rollercoster (or an ongoing extremely fast rotation) the way it is now. Very few players have been dominating for the whole time, and this game is only 2 years old. | ||
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Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
This dream esports is what somes next, after people get together end enjoy doing something together and be proud of it. That feeling is what needs to be preserved, not financial backing of sports. puting faith on something I dont (and face it most other starcraft fallowers do not enjoy) enjoy is no solution. thats is why your proposition of puting our faith on dota2 cause it was being resikined by a game selling company, and getting lots of views is not meaningful. | ||
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multiversed
United States233 Posts
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On October 17 2012 17:35 Azzur wrote: I think the most interesting part of this post is that destiny is saying alot of things what people on TL don't want, e.g.: - Making the game easier - 2v2v2v2 BGH - Casualization of the game etc. But destiny is right - I actually thought about this sometime ago but never made the time to make a post. Blizzard listens to its fans, but in reality, the need to listen to the silent majority, rather than a small minority of the fanbase. He doesn't say to make the game easier, and I've never once seen anyone say that they don't want something like 2v2v2v2 BGH to be an option. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On October 17 2012 17:51 Patate wrote: THIS. This man has just nailed it. Starcraft 2 will not grow if it becomes more casual, it needs to be the hardcore E-sport, and right now Brood War still is. Yes, limited unit selection and manually clicking on production structures are tedious, but it differenciates the greatest player of all from the great ones. Flash would never be OSL champion and then fall into "code A" 2 seasons later. Only in SC2, where the skill ceilling is lower, that this happens. thats not even an opinion, that is just plain wrong. there was only a small percentage of players In BW that played competitivly and a even smaller percentage that went pro for the game. the same thing can be said for this game.( except for the fact that ladder isnt competitive. ladder is just there to show u that u got a shiny star next to ur name) laddering is just a mind numbingly boring grind fest for points/MMR. the only REAL competitiveness from SC2 comes from current pros and tournaments. ladder is for casuals, not pro gamers believe it or not. also beleive it or not but BW became a hard core esport by pure accident. blizzard wasnt trying to make it nor even considered esports as a factor back in vanilla SC for SC2 blizzards undoing came from the fact that they were actually TRYING to make SC2 into a esport WITHOUT KNOWING HOW. they still dont even know why BW was as big as it is. there completely clueless. the alpha of this game was a rock paper scissors game where Y unit beats X unit and X unit beats B unit, and some of that still exist with units like immortals or marauders being very specific counters to a unit type. this game was advertises so hard as being a "spectators sport with Esports in mind". they succeeded on the spectator part but failed on the Esports part. they were trying to make it 100% esports from the start while at the same time making the game easy as all hell. | ||
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Poffel
471 Posts
Ok, you've been warned, here it comes: Rant on sponsorships There's this thing with e-sports sponsoring... when I watch a tournament, at least 75% of the ads I get are for some sort of technology/computer related product. Now, let's take a look at me. I watch competitive video games on the internet, so I'm most likely into computer stuff, right? Hence, showing me ads about new gaming peripherals, computer parts, state of the art monitors and the like seems like a good decision... to the mind of a five year-old. See, because I'm into computer stuff, when I want to buy something, I'll make an informed decision. I'll google for benchmarks, product tests, customer reviews. I'll go by my experience with the previous generation of products from the same brand. Then, I'll compare price-values. In short, I am not going to buy a shitty SSD just because you throw advertisements at me, not even for the sake of e-sports. Don't get me wrong, I own my fair share of e-sports related products. Hard to avoid when almost every company sponsors events these days. However, I didn't buy them because of sponsorships but because they are good products. Shockingly, I'm not alone in this. This guy is actually the only one I found by searching the TL Tech Support forum asking for "esports friendly products". And the very first answer tells him to forget about e-sports sponsorship and go by product quality. TL's "Computer build resource thread" has over a million views right now, and it's all about people building computers. Try a TL search for words like "sponsor", "esports", etc., and you'll see that they are of no concern when our community talks about choices for computer parts. They show up in all sorts of forums, all the time - except when it's about buying stuff. What I mean to say is, please, for the love of God, show me commercials about chocolate, soft drinks, and pizza during video games tournaments. I may be "that computer game marketing group", but I still get hungry and thirsty. And by virtue of being "that computer game marketing group" and not "that gourmet marketing group", I'm more easily suggestible by presentations of tasty sweet stuff than by commercials about my hobby. After all, if you're in it for the revenue, it might be a good idea to show me something I might actually buy because of your bloody commercial. Else, don't be surprised when your ad campaign doesn't work... | ||
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MVega
763 Posts
On October 17 2012 18:23 Patate wrote: The community is trying to find SC2 a path because Blizzard has failed to. Yeah it's only the most globally successful game in it's genre. (Doesn't matter what game Dota spawned from, Dota is not an RTS game.) As much as some people don't want to acknowledge it, long before SC2 came out, outside of this community Brood War was pretty much dead in the west. It got a really rough start in Korea, and right now we're at a point where there were just too many tournaments going on at once and not enough significant hype was generated for any of them so people are feeling a bit of apathy. It happens. People have been saying for ages that we have too many tournaments, and we do, this shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. | ||
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