EPTSons of Starcraft. UPDATED Oct 9/14 - Page 43
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Ravomat
Germany427 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On November 19 2013 08:56 zyce wrote: I thought it was great. Very entertaining. I'm not sure why there are so many negative comments. Perhaps it makes some individuals feel like a better person if they put others down. Some people expect more from doco's than a poorly structured interview playlist. I'd much rather find it wildly entertaining/informative, as you do, but the hook was so dull it had me alt-tabbing to refresh fb within 5 minutes (whereas Smash Bro's had me glued for 3 hours). | ||
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publicenemies
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JustPassingBy
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On November 19 2013 16:55 JustPassingBy wrote: Any link to the smash brothers documentary people keep talking about in this thread? :o (thx in advance) Here: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=smash bros documentary&sm=3 Enjoy!  | ||
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jammedk
Denmark315 Posts
1: Tastotis are bw gamers in a relatively upstart community in the U.S. 2: They participate in WCG and Tasteless starts casting. 3: Tasteless starts casting in Korea. 4: Struggles establishing there. Artosis joins. Getting used to Korean lifestyle. 5: years og bw casting with only community audience. 6: SC2 arrives. Hired by GOM. GSL. Early season tournaments. Fruitdealer/Nestea/MKP, and Tastosis thoughts on that era. 7: SC2 global; Flying to mlg and other events. 8: SC2 evolves, with MC and DRG etc. 9: Tastosis jetting around the world, commentating on nerds getting killed, and being payed vast sums of money. | ||
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Digitalis
United States1043 Posts
After watching the smash doc, I realized there really isn't a Starcraft equivalent of this type of documentary, that new people to the scene can really watch. I could recommend the Smash doc to any of my friends but I wouldnt recommend Sons of Starcraft because unless you follow the scene you wouldn't care or 'get' it at all. In the Smash doc you could feel the hype as opposed to Artosis telling you that it was hype in SoS. It would be nice if they could go over Starcraft as a game more, at least explain the basics. Then they could go over blah blah the korean BW scene. Then transition to the grassroots North American/European BW scene. What was so great about the Smash doc was the grassroots buildup of the scene. I've watched enough SotG and Dailies to know that the American Starcraft scene was similar, and Nick and Dan were a huge part of it. Fast forward to release of SC2, then continue story (probably in the next few parts so can't really comment on the lack of) | ||
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mihajovics
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(this is a genuine question) | ||
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Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:16 mihajovics wrote: so basically it's confirmed: this was a massive ripoff (this is a genuine question) This isn't a question at all. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:16 mihajovics wrote: so basically it's confirmed: this was a massive ripoff (this is a genuine question) How does one confirm personal opinion? Some people think so, other do not. I personally think it is about what I expected for the money that was put in. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:20 Plansix wrote: How does one confirm personal opinion? Some people think so, other do not. I personally think it is about what I expected for the money that was put in. Why does money matter though? I think the reason this is such a bad documentary is due the lack of story telling and the poor sound quality. Stuff like that could and should have been a lot better if he was more skilled at his job + had spent more time working on it. Further, read the below reddit thread; http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1qqicu/sons_of_starcraft_seriously/ The majority of the Starcraft target group simply thought it was awfull. Given that there are phrases such as eraiser trick which is never explained, it seems unlikely that he attempts to appeal to a broader audience. Especially since there is very little emotion in the documentary and the beauty of Starcraft is never shown, but simply just stated. Instead, the only ones who can find this entertaining is those who simply love Tastosis. However, you didn't need to fund $40k+ to show some video clips with those guys. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:34 Hider wrote: Why does money matter though? I think the reason this is such a bad documentary is due the lack of story telling and the poor sound quality. Stuff like that could and should have been a lot better if he was more skilled at his job + had spent more time working on it. Further, read the below reddit thread; http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1qqicu/sons_of_starcraft_seriously/ The majority of the Starcraft target group simply thought it was awfull. Given that there are phrases such as eraiser trick which is never explained, it seems unlikely that he attempts to appeal to a broader audience. Especially since there is very little emotion in the documentary and the beauty of Starcraft is never shown, but simply just stated. Instead, the only ones who can find this entertaining is those who simply love Tastosis. However, you didn't need to fund $40k+ to show some video clips with those guys. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I'm not going to spend time tryin to justify the movie. 40k isn't a lot of money to make a film. Not every kick starter is going to be a golden egg and some is them are just middling. | ||
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:22 Conti wrote: Since this is the unofficial smash bros documentary thread: The documentary is really, really great. But I got one question: Are all these games they show when they talk about various finals actually the finals, or a "reenactment"? Most tournament footage they have is really bad quality, but most finals (even the really old ones) are always perfect quality videos straight from the screen, so I'm a bit confused. Uhhh really? I beg to differ, the finals reflect the quality of the other videos of the time. Like all the MLG video finals were pretty bad quality, same with the rest of the old finals (moast3, japan, etc). It got better naturally as recording/streaming better. I don't think any of the finals were re-enacted lol... | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 20 2013 07:23 Thrillz wrote: Uhhh really? I beg to differ, the finals reflect the quality of the other videos of the time. Like all the MLG video finals were pretty bad quality, same with the rest of the old finals (moast3, japan, etc). It got better naturally as recording/streaming better. I don't think any of the finals were re-enacted lol... They have perfect videos from matches right from the beginning, even the really old tournaments. Seems a bit weird to only have extremely low quality shots of people filming a TV, and then a signal that was obviously taken straight from the source. Not saying I'm doubtful here, just confused, so I'd like some clarification. | ||
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Mahavishnu
Canada396 Posts
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On November 20 2013 07:25 Conti wrote: They have perfect videos from matches right from the beginning, even the really old tournaments. Seems a bit weird to only have extremely low quality shots of people filming a TV, and then a signal that was obviously taken straight from the source. Not saying I'm doubtful here, just confused, so I'd like some clarification. What do you mean by 'perfect'? Videos are taken from the source, because recording at existed back then. Some events/matches didn't have recording devices, so people took cam footage, the same is true today. The quality of the old recordings from the source (ie. old MLG vids) are quite poor compared to the new ones. | ||
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ThisIsJimmy
United States546 Posts
On November 20 2013 06:22 Conti wrote: Since this is the unofficial smash bros documentary thread: The documentary is really, really great. But I got one question: Are all these games they show when they talk about various finals actually the finals, or a "reenactment"? Most tournament footage they have is really bad quality, but most finals (even the really old ones) are always perfect quality videos straight from the screen, so I'm a bit confused. They are all actually the finals, no reenactments haha. I know this because I remember getting them from smashboards a long long time ago. The really old stuff you actually had to download to your computer to watch because youtube wasn't so popular or didn't exist yet (I can't remember which exactly, I just remember having to wait forever to download these videos) | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 20 2013 08:44 ThisIsJimmy wrote: They are all actually the finals, no reenactments haha. I know this because I remember getting them from smashboards a long long time ago. The really old stuff you actually had to download to your computer to watch because youtube wasn't so popular or didn't exist yet (I can't remember which exactly, I just remember having to wait forever to download these videos) Alright. Thanks for the clarification! | ||
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Zeyphon
Canada5 Posts
I think it's difficult to judge something based only on 1/4 of the content, but so far I'm not terribly impressed. And here's why - when you watch the original trailer for Sons of Starcraft and the final product there is a significant disparity... Here we have a number of interview clips with a number of E-sports personalities, which is essentially what we got, which is fine. But we also get interviews and information about Tastosis' time in Korea, they hint about their struggles, people speak about their character, you see them actually interacting off camera. In this 30 minute video we hear very little about their life in Korea, and almost nothing about their struggles. Artosis says he was so poor he kept a dollar in his pocket and jumped all the subway stalls, then if he got caught he'd give them the dollar. That sounds like a compelling story, even if it had nothing to do with Starcraft. That's what I think we all wanted to hear about, but instead we get a bunch of pandering and waxing sentimental about why Starcraft is a great game. What's the point of this? The documentary will appeal to A. Committed fans who already know Starcraft is great, or B. People who have never seen or played the game - these people need to be shown and convinced that Starcraft is a great game, not just told. The title is "Sons of Starcraft" - suggesting that Tasteless and Artosis are, aptly enough, the children of the Starcraft franchise. So show us how that happened. What was Starcraft to them when they first started playing it? How did it change them? From start to finish, how did their perception of Starcraft change from "Oh, cool game" to "I'm moving to Korea to be closer to this passion of mine", Etc. We got much more interesting information in JP's Realtalk videos and those just cost a video capturing service, two webcams, and two internet connections. This isn't to suggest the first taste was bad, it wasn't. But it also wasn't great, and it should have been. I wouldn't show this to some friend or family member ignorant of Starcraft, because it would be thirty minutes of tedium for them, and unfortunately it was about 20 minutes of tedium for me. | ||
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