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Please, get the fuck out of this community,
As i already wrote, this was a fast and brainless provocation. Nothing more, nothing less. And it fulfilled its purpose.
Dude, stop with your "Leave Britney alone" comments, calm down.
What i see is: 2 guys with a huge popularity, suddenly start an interesting program. Of course they are feeding of their popularity and make good use of it, why shouldnt they. With Genna in the background who may have the knowledge to run an internet businesses (I dont know her at all so i cant judge her at all) this can work.
My doubts lie in the language barriere. You have a managing team of very popular foreign individuals which dont seem to have so many ties into the Korean scene (except for their commentating and casting point of view). It wil be very hard to get a good team together with a good amount of trust between the players and the managers especially when there is a langauge barriere.
Several translators may help, But this doesnt guarantee that the trust between players that (maybe) barely speak your language and the managers that probably cant speak barely korean at all, will grow to a good amount.
To put it frankly, (and you will probably hate me again for it lol) it has some sort of a sour taste me. Something like:
"Oh hey those koreans are good, they live in poor conditions. Lets help them and make good use of them"
"Oh hey, some popular foreigners with much money want us on our team to play sc2. Whatever, as long as they have money i dont give a shit"
Blablabla, you may find this insulting again, but not everybody has a healthy ethical correct attitude towards work.
With this trio this may not be the case, which means they actually do care. And i am glad if i am proven wrong on this matter.
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On September 28 2012 21:21 Ein0r wrote:As i already wrote, this was a fast and brainless provocation. Nothing more, nothing less. And it fulfilled its purpose. Dude, stop with your "Leave Britney alone" comments, calm down. What i see is: 2 guys with a huge popularity, suddenly start an interesting program. Of course they are feeding of their popularity and make good use of it, why shouldnt they. With Genna in the background who may have the knowledge to run an internet businesses (I dont know her so i cant judge her at all) this can work. My doubts lie in the language barriere. You have a managing team of very popular foreign individuals which dont seem to have so many ties into the Korean scene (except for their commentating and casting point of view). It wil be very hard to get a good team together where there is a good amount of trust between the players and the managers if there are langauge barrieres. Several translators may help, But this doesnt guarantee that the trust between players that (maybe) barely speak your language and the managers that probably cant speak barely korean at all, will grow to a good amount. To put it frankly, (and you will probably hate me again for it lol) it has some sort of a sour taste me. Something like: "Oh hey those koreans are good, they live in poor conditions. Lets help them and make good use of them" "Oh hey, some popular foreigners with much money want us on our team to play sc2. Whatever, as long as they have money i dont give a shit" Blablabla, you may find this insulting again, but not everybody has a healthy ethical correct attitude towards work. With this trio this may not be the case, which means they actually do care. And i am glad if i am proven wrong on this matter.
From Gennas Reddit AMA (seriously, guys, read it. Most of the questions are answered there):
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/10kdhu/by_request_i_am_genna_bain_owner_of_axiom_ama/c6e7ujh
CranK's English is actually very good, even though he does not feel 100% confident in himself. I am in the process of engaging a tutor for him so that he can express himself with more ease at future events. I have also begun to learn a bit of Korean. 
Looks like Genna is not the stupid person some people seem to assume her to be and has plans to alleviate the language problem.
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this is very interesting, a single player team. Will be interested in how this would work out for everyone.
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On September 28 2012 21:54 antel0pe wrote:
this is very interesting, a single player team. Will be interested in how this would work out for everyone.
If we have understood this correctly, and we have, it won't remain a single player team forever. They simply started with Crank, with whom they have had dealings with before (specifically, MLG Raleigh)
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On September 28 2012 21:54 antel0pe wrote:
this is very interesting, a single player team. Will be interested in how this would work out for everyone.
Well, it's not like it's the first.
To name a few precedents:
- SK (MC)
- Duckload (WhiteRa)
- Grubby (Grubby)
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On September 28 2012 23:44 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 21:54 antel0pe wrote:
this is very interesting, a single player team. Will be interested in how this would work out for everyone. Well, it's not like it's the first. To name a few precedents: - SK (MC) - Duckload (WhiteRa) - Grubby (Grubby)
'Grubby' was never a team, it's the brand he uses to attract sponsors. Duckload was a personal sponsor, not a team.
Axiom has plans to recruit at least 3 players by the end of the year, and SK Gaming had and still has other players and teams playing under its name.
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On September 28 2012 06:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 06:08 Otolia wrote:
So because some kids in Korea are raised in pathetic conditions sharing rooms with 4 other people and training all day long, the rest of the world should do the same ?
I don't have any problem with you sponsoring who you want but your reasoning is the principal reason there is thousands unemployed citizens all over europe. Yes there is ALWAYS people willing to accept worse conditions in other part of the world but that's no reason to accept that in our countries ...
I am very shocked by that rhetoric. I am shocked by your strawman argument (or I would be if I hadn't seen this attitude on a daily basis on the internet) because that isn't what I said at all. Perhaps you should re-read my post and properly comprehend it. Why should we "support" American eSports just because we happen to live there? That's not a good reason at all.
I may have misunderstood the subtlety of your post, nonetheless that wasn't a strawman argument.
Let's see it with your actual player Crank. He made his first professional game in November 2011. I don't know how much time he was on SlayerS before but probably at least 3 months. He left SlayerS in July 26th for medical reasons - reasons which you didn't said were resolved, a fact that some of us actually care about. So that's around 10 months were he was training 10 hours a day, leaving in a room with 4 other people for almost no salary. My standards may be higher than his but that's not how I envision a decent life. Let's fast forward to Crank's retirement. Let's say he had a great career filled with success lasting 6 years. He now has a reputation and can try to be involved with esports. His future is partly covered. You gave him a once in a lifetime opportunity. Now let's say he didn't have the same success, that he was good but didn't make enough fame or money to be able to transition safely towards another job. What's his future ? How he is going to live after that ?
On the other side of the world, foreigners are almost all students or in school. Those don't train as much for obvious reasons - and in this regards koreans train more. But those who take leave from uni to play the game are devoting as much time as the Koreans and it is unfair of you to describe them as lazy and undeserving when compared to Koreans - not what you said per se but clearly what you meant. As for the other, the one that train less than Koreans, they have reasons to do so, and it's mostly related to their studies. Let's not kid ourselves here, the future of foreign players looks bleak right now. Reconverting oneself into a caster is hard and is only a possibility for a few people and besides that there isn't much. So yes, some foreign players are training less than Koreans but I think it's a reasonable choice.
My worry is that if people like you aren't willing to invest money now so that we may have a future foreign scene, we are doomed because Koreans are willing to accept much worse living conditions than the vast majority of our talent pool in order to succeed - as shown by the main topic of this time OSL the dishwashers against the pros. And don't get me wrong, it's not a us versus them war. In fact it's about the future of our scene. You were vocal about the future of the foreign scene and yet you seem to have given up on our players.
Do CranK deserves a salary ? Hell yes ! He had a good MLG run and it's a good thing. But that doesn't mean other foreigners deserve it less. I firmly believe that it is possible to find a model in which we can train our players while still allowing them to continue their studies but there is none right now ... Koreans have a bigger and more talented player pool but that's because gaming is more accepted in Korea - insert a parallel with Sweden here - and they have the infrastructure to nurture those players. If nobody is willing to step up and look for a solution then we may as well give up everything now.
PS : I really appreciate the time you take to answer and react in the thread. And I regret and apologize to you if my answer was not complete enough to convey properly my opinion.
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Seems like a cool team best of luck!
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tb tend to lose interest in all his projects and i wouldnt feel safe on this team.
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pics are it didn't happen.
User was warned for posting no content one liners for 100% of his posts.
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On September 29 2012 06:01 herrmus wrote:
tb tend to lose interest in all his projects and i wouldnt feel safe on this team.
Good job it isn't my project then, which you'd know if you'd paid any attention to anything before posting.
What a mess your comment is, no proof, no reasoning, an underhanded, spiteful little accusation.
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I was skeptical at first, but Genna's AMA made me optimistic about this new venture.
The road to success of a new SC2 team is long and full of hardships, but Genna and TB seem to be up for it.
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I am very excited hearing about this team and will support it for sure. I rarely give a crap about foreign teams, but this one is definitely interesting because of the korean talent. Before someone mentions Fnatic or FXO(improving), I should mention they just don`t market their players very well to the foreign scene, and I think Axiom will be different.
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On September 28 2012 23:56 mikkmagro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 23:44 Morfildur wrote:On September 28 2012 21:54 antel0pe wrote:
this is very interesting, a single player team. Will be interested in how this would work out for everyone. Well, it's not like it's the first. To name a few precedents: - SK (MC) - Duckload (WhiteRa) - Grubby (Grubby) 'Grubby' was never a team, it's the brand he uses to attract sponsors. Duckload was a personal sponsor, not a team. Axiom has plans to recruit at least 3 players by the end of the year, and SK Gaming had and still has other players and teams playing under its name.
lol at this argument. If Grubby decided to recruit players, he could. They would be Grubby.name. Just because he is his own brand doesn't mean all of a sudden it's not a team anymore.
If you join a tournament, many times it is considered team 1 vs team 2, (even though it's 1v1). Besides, Brands pick up players and sponsor them as teams too, your entire argument is one big hole. Duckload was a personal sponsor, but could have sponsored other players if they wanted to. But decided to stick with a team of 1.
Regardless of anything, MC recieves money from SK's sponsors, just like if Grubby picked up players, they would recieve money from Grubby's sponsors.
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On September 29 2012 14:56 Shinta) wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 23:56 mikkmagro wrote:On September 28 2012 23:44 Morfildur wrote:On September 28 2012 21:54 antel0pe wrote:
this is very interesting, a single player team. Will be interested in how this would work out for everyone. Well, it's not like it's the first. To name a few precedents: - SK (MC) - Duckload (WhiteRa) - Grubby (Grubby) 'Grubby' was never a team, it's the brand he uses to attract sponsors. Duckload was a personal sponsor, not a team. Axiom has plans to recruit at least 3 players by the end of the year, and SK Gaming had and still has other players and teams playing under its name. lol at this argument. If Grubby decided to recruit players, he could. They would be Grubby.name. Just because he is his own brand doesn't mean all of a sudden it's not a team anymore. If you join a tournament, many times it is considered team 1 vs team 2, (even though it's 1v1). Besides, Brands pick up players and sponsor them as teams too, your entire argument is one big hole. Duckload was a personal sponsor, but could have sponsored other players if they wanted to. But decided to stick with a team of 1. Regardless of anything, MC recieves money from SK's sponsors, just like if Grubby picked up players, they would recieve money from Grubby's sponsors.
Grubby explicitly said a number of times, and I believe on Real Talk most recently, that "Grubby" is not a team, and that he would prefer to be officially referred to in tournaments as an "independent player", rather than "Team Grubby Grubby" (which was ridiculous in the first place and I think many tournaments have dropped it since).
Duckload is a company that has nothing to do with Starcraft. They pay one person to promote their company, similarly to the deal Mionix has with Naniwa, Ericsson had with TLO (while he was ON an actual team), and so on. In no universe does the act of sponsoring a player constitute the formation of a team.
Your argument that if these people and companies wanted to run teams, they could, is silly in and of itself. Of course they COULD run an actual team if they wanted to, but they choose not to, so they don't.
SK is a separate case, because they are an organization with an actual structure and management, and a number of players contracted to it over a multitude of games. Even so, calling it a Starcraft 2 team is not really correct either.
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On September 28 2012 17:12 HornyHerring wrote:
Does his wife have any clue about starcraft btw?
Yeah she prob knows more about starcraft than the average TL poster. I spoke with her a lot at PAX and she is a really awesome person. She is very involved in the community in so many ways and loves what she does. She sat there on a computer at pax and waited for this video to be rendered for 2 hours so that the content for TB's show could be put up for all the fans. They understand the industry well together as team which is what makes them awesome.
TB just a note your wife is definitely an amazing person. Very nice and friendly and really loves the community. Just thought I'd let you know.
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On September 28 2012 21:21 Ein0r wrote:As i already wrote, this was a fast and brainless provocation. Nothing more, nothing less. And it fulfilled its purpose. Dude, stop with your "Leave Britney alone" comments, calm down. What i see is: 2 guys with a huge popularity, suddenly start an interesting program. Of course they are feeding of their popularity and make good use of it, why shouldnt they. With Genna in the background who may have the knowledge to run an internet businesses (I dont know her at all so i cant judge her at all) this can work. My doubts lie in the language barriere. You have a managing team of very popular foreign individuals which dont seem to have so many ties into the Korean scene (except for their commentating and casting point of view). It wil be very hard to get a good team together with a good amount of trust between the players and the managers especially when there is a langauge barriere. Several translators may help, But this doesnt guarantee that the trust between players that (maybe) barely speak your language and the managers that probably cant speak barely korean at all, will grow to a good amount. To put it frankly, (and you will probably hate me again for it lol) it has some sort of a sour taste me. Something like: "Oh hey those koreans are good, they live in poor conditions. Lets help them and make good use of them" "Oh hey, some popular foreigners with much money want us on our team to play sc2. Whatever, as long as they have money i dont give a shit" Blablabla, you may find this insulting again, but not everybody has a healthy ethical correct attitude towards work. With this trio this may not be the case, which means they actually do care. And i am glad if i am proven wrong on this matter.
Feeding their popularity? that comes with growing a business lol. Do you not think they would understand what is required to run a team properly or they wouldn't start one?
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On September 28 2012 21:21 Ein0r wrote:As i already wrote, this was a fast and brainless provocation. Nothing more, nothing less. And it fulfilled its purpose.
Nice to see that you're openly admitting to being nothing but a troll. The first step is always the hardest.
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Really looking forward to the results of this! Giving opportunity for more good players is awesome, Crank was already a great find.
I can't help but to think why are people arguing over this topic. Can't we all just agree that this helps the growth of e-sports and is good for EVERYONE involved? If TB and Husky want to invest in an e-sports team managed by Genna (if I understood correctly), what's wrong with it?
I can see only good things coming out of this and wish success for the future of Axiom Gaming.
edit: I'd just like to say that it's absurd to say that investing in a Korean players based team is going to hurt the foreign scene.
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