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Thorgald
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden4 Posts
September 27 2012 21:25 GMT
#321
Guys, no offense but you're giving TB to much credit. Genna is the real mastermind behind this team.

So give at least half of it to her.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
September 27 2012 21:29 GMT
#322
YES CRANK
omg i love crank SO glad to see him on a kickass new team
My religion is Starcraft
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
September 27 2012 21:33 GMT
#323
On September 28 2012 06:08 Otolia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 05:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Quite frankly I find it hard to care about investing in the American SC2 scene when there are Koreans who have a higher skill level and are willing to work harder while not even getting paid a salary. Those guys deserve a salary.

You can be a middling foreigner and get paid a salary, you can be a fantastic Korean and not get paid a salary. How is that fair? There is plenty of money in the foreign scene, not to mention the money you can make streaming if you have a decent amount of skill and more personality than a plank of wood.

So because some kids in Korea are raised in pathetic conditions sharing rooms with 4 other people and training all day long, the rest of the world should do the same ?

I don't have any problem with you sponsoring who you want but your reasoning is the principal reason there is thousands unemployed citizens all over europe. Yes there is ALWAYS people willing to accept worse conditions in other part of the world but that's no reason to accept that in our countries ...

I am very shocked by that rhetoric.


Lol. Yeah no, it's not about the fact that Axiom is taking in the progamers who are "willing to accept worse conditions" than others, but rather about supporting the better players. Korean players on average practice more as well as more efficiently than their foreigner (and NA in particular) counterparts, which is why they are more skilled at the game. And by the looks of it, Axiom looks like it intends to be a team willing to cultivate and grow these lesser known talents from the korean scene and develop them into potential champion material.

Quite frankly I could not agree more with such a view. I mean if you enjoy watching a high diamond / low masters player who calls people faggots on his stream but is bad at the game, that is completely fine and it's your right to support him if you so desire. But I personally don't. I care about the more skilled player. At the moment, most of these players are korean, therefore I am more interested in them and I will support them and follow them.

More on-topic, I think this is a terrific idea and more or less a logical progression of things considering CranK's pre-existing personal sponsorship. TotalBiscuit, you are an amazing, amazing person and I have a tremendous amount of respect for you and gratitude for what you have done for the scene and just gaming in general. I wish you and Axiom the best of luck in your future endeavours and look forward to additional news (as well as seeing more of CranK's play hehe).
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
September 27 2012 21:36 GMT
#324
Go Crank! I love watching his stream.
Hey man
igotmanatoblow
Profile Joined March 2012
33 Posts
September 27 2012 21:40 GMT
#325
I heard Grubby likes stable salaries?
Ein0r
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany32 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 21:45:42
September 27 2012 21:42 GMT
#326
On September 28 2012 05:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 04:35 Ein0r wrote:
What exactly do you want? Except for easy money?


The morons in this community never cease to amaze me with the depth of stupidity they can stoop to.

Want easy money? Start an eSports team! Said nobody with any sense ever



I just mentioned the easy money because with your connections(Yours, Huskys, Gennas,) your degree of publicity in the (Starcraft) Esports scene and the success you had in your latest projects, it makes it much easier to communicate and negotiate with possible sponsors. And as Genna stated in her reddit Q&A there have been lots of players that approached you.
And there is still a chance that the publicity you will gain may be enough to even out the financial problems in the long run. Even if it doesnt work out as you expected. You are having a huge loss in money in the beginning? Well, of course. Nearly every business faces this problem. No surprise at all.


If i had all of this, sure, i would give it a try
Ich sinnlose vor mich hin und das mit Begeisterung.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 21:55:24
September 27 2012 21:54 GMT
#327
On September 28 2012 06:42 Ein0r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 05:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 04:35 Ein0r wrote:
What exactly do you want? Except for easy money?


The morons in this community never cease to amaze me with the depth of stupidity they can stoop to.

Want easy money? Start an eSports team! Said nobody with any sense ever



I just mentioned the easy money because with your connections(Yours, Huskys, Gennas,) your degree of publicity in the (Starcraft) Esports scene and the success you had in your latest projects, it makes it much easier to communicate and negotiate with possible sponsors. And as Genna stated in her reddit Q&A there have been lots of players that approached you.
And there is still a chance that the publicity you will gain may be enough to even out the financial problems in the long run. Even if it doesnt work out as you expected. You are having a huge loss in money in the beginning? Well, of course. Nearly every business faces this problem. No surprise at all.


If i had all of this, sure, i would give it a try

Are we back to this shitty argument?
"if i had this i would do it as well"
What kind of retarded way to think is this?
How about you work for it instead of saying how much he got?
Ein0r
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany32 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 22:05:19
September 27 2012 22:02 GMT
#328
It is the retarded way to think of people you would call "makers" or bankers if you want to go financial. People that see a chance, use a huge amount of resources they accumulated through hard work and try to get fun/profit/whatever out of their new discovered business. Is it envy from my side? Sure, this counts in too.
Why should i work for it. With my connections, and my possibilites i would never be able to start an esports team.
But with my connections and my possibilites i could open a car dealer chain. Please dont forget that not everybody here sees his future in the internet businness
Ich sinnlose vor mich hin und das mit Begeisterung.
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
September 27 2012 22:04 GMT
#329
Grats, seems like this is the way they were headed so its nice to see them go the distance
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
kynka
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden34 Posts
September 27 2012 22:15 GMT
#330
I think maby they can get Naniwa, that would be pritty cool!
imallinson
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3482 Posts
September 27 2012 22:16 GMT
#331
This is really cool, I really like the idea of trying to promote some of the unknown but really hard working korean pros. It makes a fair bit of sense as a follow up to the Bling sponsorship and sponsoring Crank to go to MLG. It's nice that you aren't ditching Bling's sponsorship as well. Best of luck to you and Crank.
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skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
September 27 2012 22:25 GMT
#332
GL, hope you can build a great team~
as1
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
September 27 2012 22:53 GMT
#333
congrats great to hear another wonderful to hear
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fumikey
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada58 Posts
September 27 2012 23:42 GMT
#334
massively pwningful
UpATree
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada38 Posts
September 28 2012 00:23 GMT
#335
This is awesome, gl hf guys!
You learn only by losing to players better than yourself.
Laplaces_imp
Profile Joined January 2012
368 Posts
September 28 2012 01:22 GMT
#336
wonder if they will pick up vines after he left empire. that could be cool. Also i think it is so cool that husky is on the team as well :D
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26710 Posts
September 28 2012 01:23 GMT
#337
Nice move, interested to see how this goes, and if others big in the community follow this kind of lead.

Also TB's putdowns of some of the more asinine comments in this thread made my day.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Ein0r
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany32 Posts
September 28 2012 02:28 GMT
#338
just provocative and honest
In the end it is just for the money, or publicity, and a little bit for fun and challnge, or whatever you want to call it. Even TB and friends cant afford such an expensive hobby as to own and manage an esports team.

The biggest problem will be the language barriere in my eyes.
Ich sinnlose vor mich hin und das mit Begeisterung.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26710 Posts
September 28 2012 02:47 GMT
#339
On September 28 2012 11:28 Ein0r wrote:
just provocative and honest
In the end it is just for the money, or publicity, and a little bit for fun and challnge, or whatever you want to call it. Even TB and friends cant afford such an expensive hobby as to own and manage an esports team.

The biggest problem will be the language barriere in my eyes.

Was actually referring to the 'spelling' one haha
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Jett2200
Profile Joined September 2012
13 Posts
September 28 2012 02:55 GMT
#340
yes!!!
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