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Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
September 25 2012 05:45 GMT
#1081
On September 25 2012 14:45 Matoo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:43 GT350 wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream. This was known to Deathangel.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

This is your reply?

Maybe it's not and DeathAngel is smurfing on her TLnet account?
Lol, well played sir.
You play to win
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 25 2012 05:46 GMT
#1082
So veralynn says shes happy its over, yet she had the power to end it at any time. Yeah, I don't believe her one bit.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 25 2012 05:47 GMT
#1083
K so who do i ban, The girl and deathangel?
Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
September 25 2012 05:48 GMT
#1084
On September 25 2012 14:47 Kennigit wrote:
K so who do i ban, The girl and deathangel?


Both, but not yet.
You play to win
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 25 2012 05:48 GMT
#1085
Yeah i just want to make sure i have everyone.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 25 2012 05:49 GMT
#1086
On September 25 2012 14:47 Kennigit wrote:
K so who do i ban, The girl and deathangel?


The girl permanently at least. Says she's sorry yet she could have done anything to stop it, instead she let it go on. She lied to players she coached saying shes gm. She put down a "protoss player" that she didn't even beat, and apparently brags all around.

She bragged, yet feels "sorry". I don't believe that garbage for a minute.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
September 25 2012 05:50 GMT
#1087
should ban kawaiirice too. he has so much potential as a private investigator. need to motivate him to pursue his true potential and not posting!!
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
September 25 2012 05:50 GMT
#1088
I read OP and random posts around the thread, but it's a lot. What tipped off Kawaii? I'm just curious to know. Were the deleted posts ont he reddit screenshot his posts?
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
September 25 2012 05:51 GMT
#1089
On September 25 2012 14:43 GT350 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream. This was known to Deathangel.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

This is your reply?



I dunno, seems kinda honest and regrettable to me, I bet she's pissed it ended up like this.
I'd just drop it now, harping on the girl isn't going to achieve anything.
Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
September 25 2012 05:51 GMT
#1090
On September 25 2012 14:39 DevilofDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:34 Pwnzer wrote:
On September 25 2012 14:31 DevilofDeath wrote:
I have to back up DeathAngel on this one:

#1 He is a legitiment good player and deserves more attention

#2 VeraLynn is a female player but with all do respect, for the love of Starcraft 2 WoL, she is not Scarlett. Scarlett is a great player and has the results to back it up which leads to...

#3 If you need a coach for SC2 and you go for a player, regardless of gender, who is relatively unknown you need to think what you're getting into and the investments your making.

If it were me, I'd be searching for the best coaching possible ESPECIALLY IF I'M GOING TO PAY!


DevilofDeath and DeathAngel on the same side!? Mind = blown!


Crazy right? I have Croatian roots but no Romanian roots. And in all seriousness when I first bought Pokemon Pearl back in 6th grade my characters name was PWNZER. Now i just took your blown mind and blew it again.


LOL I really need to change my internet alias. Everyone makes fun of it anyways. We're like twins! Except I'm from the US.
Herp Derp
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
September 25 2012 05:52 GMT
#1091
On September 25 2012 14:50 dAPhREAk wrote:
should ban kawaiirice too. he has so much potential as a private investigator. need to motivate him to pursue his true potential and not posting!!


hahahhaha.

That would be awesome. Just a temp though for a joke.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
September 25 2012 05:52 GMT
#1092
On September 25 2012 14:48 Kennigit wrote:
Yeah i just want to make sure i have everyone.


They aren't in the banned user list yet. What's taking so long?
Herp Derp
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46396 Posts
September 25 2012 05:53 GMT
#1093
On September 25 2012 14:47 Kennigit wrote:
K so who do i ban, The girl and deathangel?


Well, they're both seriously at fault, they were both in agreement to scam the community and make fraudulent claims, and they showed really poor signs of remorse (if any), so I doubt they ever would have stopped if they hadn't gotten caught.

I don't think either of them are even remotely innocent- nor should their behavior be deemed acceptable around here, and I think that's the trending opinion of the whole thread. But you guys are in charge of whether or not to specifically ban anyone.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27343 Posts
September 25 2012 05:53 GMT
#1094
On September 25 2012 14:48 Kennigit wrote:
Yeah i just want to make sure i have everyone.

Not sure of the extent of bannage, but yeah some kind of censure is needed. Probably wouldn't advocate permabans, there was a poll a while back here if you want another gauge of TL opinion.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
September 25 2012 05:53 GMT
#1095
On September 25 2012 14:51 Cabinet Sanchez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:43 GT350 wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream. This was known to Deathangel.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

This is your reply?



I dunno, seems kinda honest and regrettable to me, I bet she's pissed it ended up like this.
I'd just drop it now, harping on the girl isn't going to achieve anything.


Dude! She could have stopped it at any time. I bet her only regret was she couldn't keep it going longer.
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 05:55:14
September 25 2012 05:54 GMT
#1096
I don't think Deathangel deserves a permanent ban. As far as we know, he at the very least did not realize the gravity of his actions as the girl did. I think he deserves a chance to prove himself as a player even though he did make a mistake smurfing on her account.
Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 05:55:23
September 25 2012 05:54 GMT
#1097
the thing i dont understand is why she would need to do this lol. ur a girl...being in masters makes u popular enough...
A marine walks into a bar and asks, "Wheres the counter?"
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
September 25 2012 05:56 GMT
#1098
On September 25 2012 14:45 Matoo- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:43 GT350 wrote:
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream. This was known to Deathangel.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

This is your reply?

Maybe it's not and DeathAngel is smurfing on her TLnet account?


Haha!
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46396 Posts
September 25 2012 05:56 GMT
#1099
On September 25 2012 14:54 -Cyrus- wrote:
I don't think Deathangel deserves a permanent ban. As far as we know, he at the very least did not realize the gravity of his actions as the girl did.


Why wouldn't he understand it? He's an adult. He knowingly agreed to play in tournaments under someone else's name- including female-only tournaments. Heck, according to VeraLynn, he even kept the winnings...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
September 25 2012 05:56 GMT
#1100
On September 25 2012 14:54 -Cyrus- wrote:
I don't think Deathangel deserves a permanent ban. As far as we know, he at the very least did not realize the gravity of his actions as the girl did.


Yea I don't think he deserves a permaban either, although I wouldn't necessarily be upset if he was permed. I've seen people permed for a lot less, but then again I've also seen people forgiven for a lot more.

/shrug

At the end of the day it isn't my decision to make. TL can decide who they want to and not want to ban. It's up to them.
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