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Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
September 25 2012 05:31 GMT
#1061
On September 25 2012 14:10 onPHYRE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 13:23 PengWin_SC wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:16 EtherealDeath wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:13 veralynn wrote:
There are 2 things that I did wrong - One financial and one moral/ethical.

I can rectify the financial situation by issuing refunds

[image loading]

Those who received refunds can confirm the above should they wish.

I cannot fully rectify or answer the moral/ethical questions - I have done what I see is all I can do retrospectively by giving the entire truth of the situation.

Again, I do not intend on responding unless it is necessary.

And this guy?

On September 25 2012 07:16 Shantastic wrote:
I guess it was a mistake buying her GM Zerg 12-lesson $100 value pack yesterday, then :S


Is he lying about paying $100, because I don't see a $100 refund in that list.


Shan was trolling. Ignore that post.


Well that is good.. I guess?


I was just joking about that; a sort of Bad Luck Brian-like quip. I'm actually a now-former caster for Z33k. While the events of the last few days have been surreal at the least, I wasn't present for them, plus I haven't been here all that long, so I haven't really felt the need to make an official statement/resignation. It is what it is, and I can't be party to it.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
DevilofDeath
Profile Joined February 2011
United States73 Posts
September 25 2012 05:31 GMT
#1062
I have to back up DeathAngel on this one:

#1 He is a legitiment good player and deserves more attention

#2 VeraLynn is a female player but with all do respect, for the love of Starcraft 2 WoL, she is not Scarlett. Scarlett is a great player and has the results to back it up which leads to...

#3 If you need a coach for SC2 and you go for a player, regardless of gender, who is relatively unknown you need to think what you're getting into and the investments your making.

If it were me, I'd be searching for the best coaching possible ESPECIALLY IF I'M GOING TO PAY!
hey guys can you give me more crystal stuffs?
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
September 25 2012 05:32 GMT
#1063
This is just sickeningly pathetic.

Fraudulent acts, immature behaviour, and reinforces female gamer stereotypes that excellent female gamers work hard to destroy.

Ugh.

DA is kinda funny though, my inner troll can't but help but laugh at his stupidity.
I love crazymoving
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria925 Posts
September 25 2012 05:33 GMT
#1064
On September 25 2012 14:20 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:17 shockaslim wrote:
On September 25 2012 14:11 ROOTFayth wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:42 DecisionTheory wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:40 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
She's a disgusting human being... both inside and out.


Blacklist her.


I dunno bro shes kinda hot. Im dtf

what?

define hot?


I dunno I don't think she is too bad.


+ Show Spoiler +
I'd personally give her a 7 maybe?

pointy elbows man

seriously though probably just not my type at all


Beggars can't be choosers!

P.S. Not a shot at anyone.. just sayin'
Livin' this life like it was written.
DecisionTheory
Profile Joined April 2012
78 Posts
September 25 2012 05:33 GMT
#1065
On September 25 2012 14:20 ROOTFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:17 shockaslim wrote:
On September 25 2012 14:11 ROOTFayth wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:42 DecisionTheory wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:40 NuKE[vZ] wrote:
She's a disgusting human being... both inside and out.


Blacklist her.


I dunno bro shes kinda hot. Im dtf

what?

define hot?


I dunno I don't think she is too bad.


+ Show Spoiler +
I'd personally give her a 7 maybe?

pointy elbows man

seriously though probably just not my type at all


[image loading]

You dont find that hot?
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
September 25 2012 05:33 GMT
#1066
WHERE IS THE DEATH ANGEL POST SAYING HE'S GONE TOO?
"En taro adun, Executor."
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
September 25 2012 05:33 GMT
#1067
lol nope
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 05:36:04
September 25 2012 05:33 GMT
#1068
On September 25 2012 14:28 Rube_Juice wrote:
Slut is a lying bitch and whore? Dude regardless of who's right or wrong, you need to curb your tongue. You sound like a misogynist, it's not pretty.

EDIT: You already edited all that crap out. Well done.

It's a joke, I didn't even know her name prior to reading this post. I just felt like posting the most excessively misogynist post ever just for the hell of it. Then I realized it was probably going to be the only one to find it funny so I edited it out. This thread already being quite shitty isn't an excuse for making it even worse after all.
Pwnzer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States617 Posts
September 25 2012 05:34 GMT
#1069
On September 25 2012 14:31 DevilofDeath wrote:
I have to back up DeathAngel on this one:

#1 He is a legitiment good player and deserves more attention

#2 VeraLynn is a female player but with all do respect, for the love of Starcraft 2 WoL, she is not Scarlett. Scarlett is a great player and has the results to back it up which leads to...

#3 If you need a coach for SC2 and you go for a player, regardless of gender, who is relatively unknown you need to think what you're getting into and the investments your making.

If it were me, I'd be searching for the best coaching possible ESPECIALLY IF I'M GOING TO PAY!


DevilofDeath and DeathAngel on the same side!? Mind = blown!
Herp Derp
KoshkaTV
Profile Joined October 2010
United States430 Posts
September 25 2012 05:34 GMT
#1070
What sickens me is that when she was giving interviews on several shows, she would brag about being GM and how she EASILY beat all the girls in that FEMALE tournament because she was the only GM there... when she wasn't actually playing.... wow... then she comes out here and just saying, oh I am not so bad, I didn't take any money and refunded everything... it's not all about the money, girl....

I am a female gamer who actually trying hard to get to Master's (just got to Diamond a couple days ago) and stories like this really bring me down... Someone who I actually kind of looked up to is fake... using community like that.... for her own evil needs of attention of whatever she wanted....

P.S. Interview like this (18 minutes+)

www.KoshkaTV.com
Angry.Zerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico305 Posts
September 25 2012 05:36 GMT
#1071
On September 25 2012 14:34 KoshkaTV wrote:
What sickens me is that when she was giving interviews on several shows, she would brag about being GM and how she EASILY beat all the girls in that FEMALE tournament because she was the only GM there... when she wasn't actually playing.... wow... then she comes out here and just saying, oh I am not so bad, I didn't take any money and refunded everything... it's not all about the money, girl....

I am a female gamer who actually trying hard to get to Master's (just got to Diamond a couple days ago) and stories like this really bring me down... Someone who I actually kind of looked up to is fake... using community like that.... for her own evil needs of attention of whatever she wanted....

P.S. Interview like this (18 minutes+)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpC4olob6DU&feature=player_embedded


I totally support your point of view.
You play to win
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
September 25 2012 05:37 GMT
#1072
lol. why did you post the same thing twice koshka?
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria925 Posts
September 25 2012 05:38 GMT
#1073
On September 25 2012 14:31 Shantastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:10 onPHYRE wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:23 PengWin_SC wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:16 EtherealDeath wrote:
On September 25 2012 13:13 veralynn wrote:
There are 2 things that I did wrong - One financial and one moral/ethical.

I can rectify the financial situation by issuing refunds

[image loading]

Those who received refunds can confirm the above should they wish.

I cannot fully rectify or answer the moral/ethical questions - I have done what I see is all I can do retrospectively by giving the entire truth of the situation.

Again, I do not intend on responding unless it is necessary.

And this guy?

On September 25 2012 07:16 Shantastic wrote:
I guess it was a mistake buying her GM Zerg 12-lesson $100 value pack yesterday, then :S


Is he lying about paying $100, because I don't see a $100 refund in that list.


Shan was trolling. Ignore that post.


Well that is good.. I guess?


I was just joking about that; a sort of Bad Luck Brian-like quip. I'm actually a now-former caster for Z33k. While the events of the last few days have been surreal at the least, I wasn't present for them, plus I haven't been here all that long, so I haven't really felt the need to make an official statement/resignation. It is what it is, and I can't be party to it.


Well at least that is cleared up. Not much else seems to be.
Livin' this life like it was written.
Draekan
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada220 Posts
September 25 2012 05:38 GMT
#1074
this sounds like a perfect topic for state of the game.... cmon guys come back! lol but seriously. im glad they both owned up to it. Not like they had a choice, kawaiirice is a smart dude, and they were caught red handed. Good job kawaii
DevilofDeath
Profile Joined February 2011
United States73 Posts
September 25 2012 05:39 GMT
#1075
On September 25 2012 14:34 Pwnzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 14:31 DevilofDeath wrote:
I have to back up DeathAngel on this one:

#1 He is a legitiment good player and deserves more attention

#2 VeraLynn is a female player but with all do respect, for the love of Starcraft 2 WoL, she is not Scarlett. Scarlett is a great player and has the results to back it up which leads to...

#3 If you need a coach for SC2 and you go for a player, regardless of gender, who is relatively unknown you need to think what you're getting into and the investments your making.

If it were me, I'd be searching for the best coaching possible ESPECIALLY IF I'M GOING TO PAY!


DevilofDeath and DeathAngel on the same side!? Mind = blown!


Crazy right? I have Croatian roots but no Romanian roots. And in all seriousness when I first bought Pokemon Pearl back in 6th grade my characters name was PWNZER. Now i just took your blown mind and blew it again.
hey guys can you give me more crystal stuffs?
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
September 25 2012 05:40 GMT
#1076
This is the karma of all the sexism behind the "X joins Y!!"
X= Gaming girl (not pro level, but girl)
Y= Mediocre gaming team.

There is nothing more sexist and hypocrite than those threads. And let's not forget those mods that warn and ban the posts criticizing this sexism.
Chicken gank op
GT350
Profile Joined May 2012
United States270 Posts
September 25 2012 05:43 GMT
#1077
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream. This was known to Deathangel.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

This is your reply?
Matoo-
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada1397 Posts
September 25 2012 05:45 GMT
#1078
On September 25 2012 14:43 GT350 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 12:54 veralynn wrote:
First of all, I'm glad I got caught and I can finally end this - My intentions were to help grow e-sports which I achieved through running Z33K.TV, but this has obviously turned out horribly wrong and has accomplished the complete opposite to what my intentions were:

I'm a masters Zerg player and needed coaching to help me to get to Grandmasters. I contacted a website for a coach and was put in touch with Deathangel. However, instead of coaching, we discussed that he'd boost my account to Grandmasters to give me that initial boost to help me.

Once it got to grandmasters, he continued to play the account for me regularly to keep bonus pool down/keep it active. While this happened, I put up a coaching profile to coach people. As I had never coached people, I did numerous hours of free coaching on my stream. This was known to Deathangel.

While this happened, Deathangel continued to play the account and I tried to do some coaching etc. In total, I had 3 paid coaching students. Any feedback on coaching I received was from free coaching and NOT paid coaching. I have since refunded those students and apologise if it was not helpful.

As people requested to see me stream, I asked Deathangel to stream on the account for me. He streamed regularly but charged $20-$30 an hour for each stream he did. Outside of streaming, each game that Deathangel played, he charged $3 per game, and as he regularly played for me, he did mini-discounts.

When I was invited to play any event - Millenium Girl Tournament & AGL Invitational - that he played, he took the entire prize, which I have also refunded to the organisers - I am sorry for this being under false pretenses. I have refunded the money that I never received as I gave it to DeathAngel.

We subsequently agreed to play Showmatches and he was very happy to do them - I gave him 100% of the prizes. I did not invoice SixPoolGaming for the showmatch against Sjow or Cytoplasm and so never received any money from them - However, I sent the relevant prize to DeathAngel immediately. I never received the MilleniumTV Tarson Showmatch money (yet), but I have already sent him the prize for that.

The entire thing was a terrible idea, and I apologise to all people who were hurt by this.

I am especially sorry to Z33K.TV and Z33K.Com as I grew the casting organisation with the casters and am sorry to leave it. Rifkin, Badfatpanda, Pengwin, and the rest - You guys were so close to me and this spiralled out of control. Z33K.TV grew to cast Dreamhack Valencia, TSL Qualifiers, Pokerstrategy.com League and run its own $1,000 Team league and If I had stopped it earlier, perhaps we could've continued on to grow it more - I apologise for misleading you like this.

I am happy to step away from my position as head of Z33K.TV and will happily assist in any handover procedures necessary.

I am also sorry to sixpoolgaming.com for any damage caused to their reputation - they are a great site and helped me so much and I apologise to them.

What I have said here is 100% the truth from my perspective, and thus I do not intend to make any follow up posts regarding this - I am happy to step away from the Starcraft 2 Community in a professional capacity and bid you all farewell.

This is your reply?

Maybe it's not and DeathAngel is smurfing on her TLnet account?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 05:47:29
September 25 2012 05:45 GMT
#1079
On September 25 2012 14:23 Schwang wrote:
after reading their responses I can see how this would get out of hand unintentionally...

Agreed.

Just goes to show you shouldn't play with fire on the internet.

They're trying to go that extra step that separates the top amateurs from the Professional. I can understand that, but you can't cheat even just a little bit. You'll get caught and then whatever reputation you may have had is now tarnished perhaps irreversibly.

I'm happy the both of them at least came clean about it at least. I definitely understand where both of them are coming from also, and I even sympathize with DeathAngel a little. I mean, the dude is REALLY that good, his only crime was deceiving people into who he really was, there's been worse crimes committed and forgiven by more prominent members of the SC2 community, so I think in time his reputation will recover. But for now, they're both going to be very disliked.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 05:47:46
September 25 2012 05:45 GMT
#1080
On September 25 2012 14:34 KoshkaTV wrote:
What sickens me is that when she was giving interviews on several shows, she would brag about being GM and how she EASILY beat all the girls in that FEMALE tournament because she was the only GM there... when she wasn't actually playing.... wow... then she comes out here and just saying, oh I am not so bad, I didn't take any money and refunded everything... it's not all about the money, girl....

I am a female gamer who actually trying hard to get to Master's (just got to Diamond a couple days ago) and stories like this really bring me down... Someone who I actually kind of looked up to is fake... using community like that.... for her own evil needs of attention of whatever she wanted....

P.S. Interview like this (18 minutes+)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpC4olob6DU&feature=player_embedded


Wow.. that is bad. She bashed NA GM saying that it doesn't "count" and she goes on to say the girl tournaments are "easy" and that the people she beat to win were bad.

She goes into length about how she drone rushed via nydus one girl....

How do you cheat to win and then act cocky about it?

Listen from 22 minutes in..... it's pure ugliness.
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