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MLG vs Proleague Invitational and MLG Fall Season - Page 5

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Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
September 13 2012 16:14 GMT
#81
On September 14 2012 01:11 SiguR wrote:
This might sound silly, but If the NA scene was absolutely dead with zero competitive players, I could understand MLG insisting on having 8NA 8EU 8KR, just because it's equitable and a good way to analyze where each community is at.

But very blatantly forcing more NA players than far more competitive communities for no legitimate competitive reason is, simply put, stupid. How did someone think this would be the right choice? Having 8 participants from every reason is already favouring NA. Having more is just tomfoolery.

8NA 8EU 8KR makes more sense, as it is equitable.
6NA 12EU 6KR makes more sense, as it provides more foreigner vs korean games without drastically reducing the competitive quality of the matches.
6NA 6EU 12KR makes more sense, as it would provide the highest quality of play.

12NA 6EU 6KR makes the least amount of sense possible. I don't see how it could be a sponsor thing. Would having
Socke, Dimaga, Whitera, Goody, Bly, Nightend, etc.
instead of
tt1, goswser, hawk, etc.
really have a negative impact on sponsorship exposure to target audiences? I really don't think so. If there's another reason for the NA favouritism I'd really like to hear it.


All that aside, this is going to be fucking awesome.


Yep this pretty much sums it up. MLG, it is not too late to reconsider the distribution of invites, do the right thing!
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
September 13 2012 16:17 GMT
#82
24 Kespa players vs max. 6 ESF players...

So Kespa does get off a final fuck you, after all.
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
September 13 2012 16:18 GMT
#83
Wait I don't get it. So is it kespa vs. kespa and na vs. na first etc? Or do you just play an open tournament and then the best 4 kespa players etc. qualify!?
xlord 5:0
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
September 13 2012 16:20 GMT
#84
Online league, the competition is just too widespread (12 NA players? cmon) and we don't need this online league anymore to watch these KeSPA players. We already have OSL, GSL and Proleague. On top of that we also have WCS, WCG, Dreamhack and other tournaments running so close upon each other that you get fucking sick and tired of the game (at least I do).

And my guess is that you will have to pay to watch this, or at least pay to have decent quality, no? So it is just another thing to pay for. Will probably just watch if there is some really big match, but ye gl everyone.
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Cuce
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey1127 Posts
September 13 2012 16:22 GMT
#85
wait all proleague members will be kespa sanctioned?

what if top 4 is non kespa koreans?
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
September 13 2012 16:22 GMT
#86
damn so much WoL srs business, im too busy getting owned by warhounds and swarm hosts while giving away freewins by going mass tempests..
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
MLG_Lee
Profile Joined July 2010
279 Posts
September 13 2012 16:24 GMT
#87
On September 14 2012 01:22 Cuce wrote:
wait all proleague members will be kespa sanctioned?

what if top 4 is non kespa koreans?


It's taken from the current Proleague top 24 Starcraft II rank. next season might be different, but this is the first iteration of the MvP program.

Also, to clarify, KeSPA plays NA/EU/KrT and vice versa. There's no inside a region play until the playoffs. More details on format and such later. We'll also be announcing the NA/EU/KrT players as they finalize. That list is pretty solid too.

For those folks bashing NA players. Come on, show some love.
Twitter: @MLGLee ( https://twitter.com/#!/MLGLee )
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 16:27:40
September 13 2012 16:27 GMT
#88
On September 14 2012 00:33 Acronysis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 00:29 Yonnua wrote:
On September 14 2012 00:28 MLG_Adam wrote:
On September 14 2012 00:26 Yonnua wrote:
On September 14 2012 00:07 MLGAnnouncements wrote:
The top eight will include four KeSPA players, two from North America, one from EU and one from Korea/Taiwan.


So are the KeSPA players actually playing against the NA, EU and KR players or are they just playing each other? Otherwise it'll seem a bit silly to have somebody who goes out in the first round make the championships, just because they were from NA and all NA did badly.


They all play each other.


So if all the NA pros go out in the Ro48, 2 players from the Ro48 qualify for the Fall Championship group play? That seems a little silly.


I agree! I hope this is not the case - i'm quite confused about this format, particulary that line you originally quoted. Hopefully this gets explained in full detail.

Otherwise, this looks really cool and i'm really looking forward to it =) Fun idea heh


I am pretty sure that the top eight that they're talking about in Yonnua's quote are the online qualifiers and that the top eight from this MvP tournament also gets a spot in the Fall Championships.

Could be wrong though.
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
September 13 2012 16:29 GMT
#89
I think cross-server play might be a problem for the kespa guys, because they are not used to it.
xlord 5:0
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 16:34:15
September 13 2012 16:31 GMT
#90
On September 14 2012 01:24 MLG_Lee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 01:22 Cuce wrote:
wait all proleague members will be kespa sanctioned?

what if top 4 is non kespa koreans?


It's taken from the current Proleague top 24 Starcraft II rank. next season might be different, but this is the first iteration of the MvP program.

Also, to clarify, KeSPA plays NA/EU/KrT and vice versa. There's no inside a region play until the playoffs. More details on format and such later. We'll also be announcing the NA/EU/KrT players as they finalize. That list is pretty solid too.

For those folks bashing NA players. Come on, show some love.



Agreed, I think there is some really good players,

Scarlet, Idra, TT1, Huk, Vibe, Select, Major, Slush, Illusion.... Plus Catz always makes for entertaining games =P

im looking forward to it.

Plus MLG is an American Tournament for an mostly american Audience, and lets face it, whether you like it or not, tournaments get more exposure when there are local players playing. But its going to depend entirely on the picks, Scarlet is far and away the best NA player, but she hasnt played in any MLG's this season so I'm not sure if would qualify.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
FragRaptor
Profile Joined October 2010
United States184 Posts
September 13 2012 16:33 GMT
#91
LG-IM MVP... MVP DongRaeGu.... MvP tournament lololol.
Do your thing. No matter what.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
September 13 2012 16:34 GMT
#92
On September 14 2012 01:31 Darpa wrote:

Plus MLG is an American Tournament for an mostly american Audience, and lets face it, whether you like it or not, tournaments get more exposure when there are local players playing.


and how long does this american audience stay interested when every american gets eliminated in the first round?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 13 2012 16:34 GMT
#93
Sick news and just yesterday I bought tickets for Dallas which will be my first live esorts event .
FragRaptor
Profile Joined October 2010
United States184 Posts
September 13 2012 16:34 GMT
#94
I love the logo 0-o
Do your thing. No matter what.
Inverse1
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom61 Posts
September 13 2012 16:35 GMT
#95
Agree with GTR, bit disappointing for the 'secret project', but it should still be really interesting.
i'm about to open some fuckin' windows
Borsti
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany79 Posts
September 13 2012 16:36 GMT
#96
What happened to the MLG Fall Arena which was supposed to start October 5th o.o
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
September 13 2012 16:37 GMT
#97
This a north american league, i'm ok with more NA people in their league, it makes sense!

Come one.. doesn't ROG, Dreamhack, ESWC etc. have way more euros?
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
September 13 2012 16:38 GMT
#98
SO many snubs...
No Leta...No Sea..No Light, No reality...No Snow....
Where's the love for the terrans!?
makk
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom132 Posts
September 13 2012 16:38 GMT
#99
Will this be replacing MLG Arenas seeing as it is providing seeds for the groups?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 13 2012 16:39 GMT
#100
On September 14 2012 01:20 Gosi wrote:
Online league, the competition is just too widespread (12 NA players? cmon) and we don't need this online league anymore to watch these KeSPA players. We already have OSL, GSL and Proleague. On top of that we also have WCS, WCG, Dreamhack and other tournaments running so close upon each other that you get fucking sick and tired of the game (at least I do).

And my guess is that you will have to pay to watch this, or at least pay to have decent quality, no? So it is just another thing to pay for. Will probably just watch if there is some really big match, but ye gl everyone.


Lol thanks for telling us that you don't wanna watch bro.
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