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On September 14 2012 01:34 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:31 Darpa wrote:
Plus MLG is an American Tournament for an mostly american Audience, and lets face it, whether you like it or not, tournaments get more exposure when there are local players playing. and how long does this american audience stay interested when every american gets eliminated in the first round?
i guess hes right. upsets will never happen in this game
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On September 14 2012 01:34 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:31 Darpa wrote:
Plus MLG is an American Tournament for an mostly american Audience, and lets face it, whether you like it or not, tournaments get more exposure when there are local players playing. and how long does this american audience stay interested when every american gets eliminated in the first round?
By that logic 1 round, which is more than they would be interested if none of them were invited in the first place.
This NA hate is getting stupid. Not every EU pro has a better shot at winning the thing than an NA pro. There are plenty of good players in NA. Suppy/Scarlett/Violet all NA at this point. Select has been living in Seattle hasn't he? Idra did well in his last tournament appearance, and may be on the road back to form. Sheth's still great and can take games off koreans.
Yeah, EU has tons of good players too, but just stop blatantly bashing the NA scene, let MLG run the tournament they spent months planning and if it doesn't work out then you have some data to use to show them that it shouldn't be used again in the future.
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Very interesting! More opportunities to watch Kespa players are always good
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Aww, no arena makes me sad .
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I don't think more American players = bigger audience. The biggest audiences are gathered from high tier foreigners vs high tier Koreans. Meaning inviting more established EU players would be the smarter choice. I think 8 player invites for NA would be more than sufficient for the current talent in NA atm.
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On September 14 2012 01:24 MLG_Lee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:22 Cuce wrote: wait all proleague members will be kespa sanctioned?
what if top 4 is non kespa koreans? It's taken from the current Proleague top 24 Starcraft II rank. next season might be different, but this is the first iteration of the MvP program. Also, to clarify, KeSPA plays NA/EU/KrT and vice versa. There's no inside a region play until the playoffs. More details on format and such later. We'll also be announcing the NA/EU/KrT players as they finalize. That list is pretty solid too. For those folks bashing NA players. Come on, show some love.
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Cool, 48 players and 30 Koreans... GG!
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On September 14 2012 01:39 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:20 Gosi wrote: Online league, the competition is just too widespread (12 NA players? cmon) and we don't need this online league anymore to watch these KeSPA players. We already have OSL, GSL and Proleague. On top of that we also have WCS, WCG, Dreamhack and other tournaments running so close upon each other that you get fucking sick and tired of the game (at least I do).
And my guess is that you will have to pay to watch this, or at least pay to have decent quality, no? So it is just another thing to pay for. Will probably just watch if there is some really big match, but ye gl everyone. Lol thanks for telling us that you don't wanna watch bro. Thanks for thanking me because I stated my opinion on a forum where you write and discuss things, "bro"...
zzzzzz
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12 na spots quite a lot, well I guess we'll see how they will do. Will be interesting tournament nonetheless!
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On September 14 2012 01:11 SiguR wrote: This might sound silly, but If the NA scene was absolutely dead with zero competitive players, I could understand MLG insisting on having 8NA 8EU 8KR, just because it's equitable and a good way to analyze where each community is at.
But very blatantly forcing more NA players than far more competitive communities for no legitimate competitive reason is, simply put, stupid. How did someone think this would be the right choice? Having 8 participants from every region is already favouring NA. Having more is just tomfoolery!
8NA 8EU 8KR makes more sense, as it is equitable. 6NA 12EU 6KR makes more sense, as it provides more foreigner vs korean games without drastically reducing the competitive quality of the matches. 6NA 6EU 12KR makes more sense, as it would provide the highest quality of play.
12NA 6EU 6KR makes the least amount of sense possible. I don't see how it could be a sponsor thing. Would having Socke, Dimaga, Whitera, Goody, Bly, Nightend, etc. instead of tt1, goswser, hawk, etc. really have a negative impact on sponsorship exposure to target audiences? I really don't think so. If there's another reason for the NA favouritism I'd really like to hear it.
All that aside, this is going to be fucking awesome.
Yeah, well said. We already know how bad the NA players are. There's no need to remind us.
The whole argument about "helping grow the NA scene" is nonsense. Imagine an NA-only tournament and think about how many people would watch that. There's simply no interest in these people. Forcing them down our necks won't do any good.
Other than that, way to go, MLG.
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On September 14 2012 01:40 Noobity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:34 turdburgler wrote:On September 14 2012 01:31 Darpa wrote:
Plus MLG is an American Tournament for an mostly american Audience, and lets face it, whether you like it or not, tournaments get more exposure when there are local players playing. and how long does this american audience stay interested when every american gets eliminated in the first round? By that logic 1 round, which is more than they would be interested if none of them were invited in the first place. This NA hate is getting stupid. Not every EU pro has a better shot at winning the thing than an NA pro. There are plenty of good players in NA. Suppy/Scarlett/Violet all NA at this point. Select has been living in Seattle hasn't he? Idra did well in his last tournament appearance, and may be on the road back to form. Sheth's still great and can take games off koreans. Yeah, EU has tons of good players too, but just stop blatantly bashing the NA scene, let MLG run the tournament they spent months planning and if it doesn't work out then you have some data to use to show them that it shouldn't be used again in the future.
Violet isn't remotely North American.
Also, calling it hate is silly. No one said every EU pro is better than every NA pro. But it's hard to argue against the top foreigners being EU players, and EU having more top foreigners in general. Making it an even split would make some sense, since it's MLG, but having that many more NA than EU players isn't a good idea. In all honesty, most of them will go out round 1.
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On September 14 2012 01:39 dees wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:34 turdburgler wrote:On September 14 2012 01:31 Darpa wrote:
Plus MLG is an American Tournament for an mostly american Audience, and lets face it, whether you like it or not, tournaments get more exposure when there are local players playing. and how long does this american audience stay interested when every american gets eliminated in the first round? i guess hes right. upsets will never happen in this game
so we promote the na scene by inviting them and then praying for upsets? that way they are sure to improve! if mlg want to grow the american scene they need to make american players work for it rather than just asking nicely and then rewarding their failure with invite places anyway
making leagues which pay money to up and coming players promotes growth, open qualifiers promote growth. invite (bad) already well known players to face off against some of the best in the world promotes stagnation and rewards failure, which long term only hurts america.
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On September 14 2012 01:38 LighT. wrote: SO many snubs... No Leta...No Sea..No Light, No reality...No Snow.... Where's the love for the terrans!?
Terrans almost never get sent out in proleague.
Doesn't help that when they do get sent out they have 44% in TvZ and a mighty 34% in TvP lol
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EU - Stephano, Vortix, SortOf, Thorzain, Naniwa, Nerchio KR - Creator, MKP, Jjakji, Genius, Life, Squirtle NA - Scarlett, Vibe, Insur, Idra, Major, HuK, Illusion, Ostojiy, Suppy, TT1, Maker, Nony
who i'd put in the tournament
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Nony has nothing to do in that list, in all honesty.
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MLG is an American company, with American sponsors(at least the DIVISION responsible for that region before you bring up things like benQ/Xperia etc). It should seem obvious that this is their key demographic. 12 NA players is bullshit if you look at it purely from a SC2 perspective, there would be like a handful invites max. But that's not good for business at all.
As long as the 12 invites are used properly, i.e. inviting up-and-comers and people who stand a realistic chance, then it should be great. I just hope they don't invite "personalities" who will crash and burn instantly all for the sake of a cheap pop. That is not sustainable at all.
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shame on this. why not just put them into open bracket
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12 north americans, 6 europeans, 6 koreans. Absurd.
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On September 14 2012 01:44 Nimic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:40 Noobity wrote:On September 14 2012 01:34 turdburgler wrote:On September 14 2012 01:31 Darpa wrote:
Plus MLG is an American Tournament for an mostly american Audience, and lets face it, whether you like it or not, tournaments get more exposure when there are local players playing. and how long does this american audience stay interested when every american gets eliminated in the first round? By that logic 1 round, which is more than they would be interested if none of them were invited in the first place. This NA hate is getting stupid. Not every EU pro has a better shot at winning the thing than an NA pro. There are plenty of good players in NA. Suppy/Scarlett/Violet all NA at this point. Select has been living in Seattle hasn't he? Idra did well in his last tournament appearance, and may be on the road back to form. Sheth's still great and can take games off koreans. Yeah, EU has tons of good players too, but just stop blatantly bashing the NA scene, let MLG run the tournament they spent months planning and if it doesn't work out then you have some data to use to show them that it shouldn't be used again in the future. Violet isn't remotely North American. Also, calling it hate is silly. No one said every EU pro is better than every NA pro. But it's hard to argue against the top foreigners being EU players, and EU having more top foreigners in general. Making it an even split would make some sense, since it's MLG, but having that many more NA than EU players isn't a good idea. In all honesty, most of them will go out round 1.
Select is also not even remotely North American, they have both chosen to reside here at least semi-permanently, so for the sake of these tournaments I'm sure they would be considered North American rather than Korean.
You're right, nobody said that every eu player is better than every pro, and I couldn't make that argument that the best foreigners are from EU, but what determines a foreigner vs a korean, do select and violet count as korean in the same sense of the starcraft world anymore?
All this is just argumentative for arguments sake. Between skill and marketability, this is what MLG decided would be in their best interest. Until the event actually happens, we are in no way better to determine how many from each area are invited than those who have been working in esports for 10+ years.
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