MLG vs Proleague Invitational and MLG Fall Season - Page 22

On September 15 2012 00:10 KarlKaliente wrote:


Top 12 NA players by TLPD's elo

Major
Huk
Sheth
Scarlett
Suppy
Idra
Hawk
Vibe
Minigun
Insur
Ostojiy
Axslav

With Axslav coming in at 210th overall. At least MLG is doing the early rounds by region, so the NA players that do make it out will have some chance. Better that than seeing Insur vs Flash or some other absurd matchup.

edit: 48 europeans make the top 209, also consider some of these players NA may not attend/participate

On September 15 2012 00:51 Benjamin99 wrote:
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Have a nice day end of argument

Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.

Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.

Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread

On September 15 2012 00:51 Benjamin99 wrote:
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Have a nice day end of argument

Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.

Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.

Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread

On September 15 2012 01:02 StarStruck wrote:



Suppy is an emerging star. He makes a lot of small mistakes and that's why he racks up the loses. The guy should be winning a whole lot more once he gets over those hurdles. Same with Illusion.

No matter how many names the guy has Juan is good.

HuK's good when he's determined and not under practiced. Same rule applies for IdrA. What do you know Greg, you aren't so different from Chris after all!

Never overlook Sheth.

Scarlett is scary.

Hawk could be a lot better if his sole focus was on SC.

ViBe is pretty good.

Cannot really comment on Minigun, Insur, Ostojiy and Axslav. I honestly haven't watched enough of them to formulate an opinion.

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I'm surprised by a few of these these names at the top of the NA ELO. Goes to show you how many things are actually considered for it because my list would look a lot different. =/

On September 15 2012 01:11 StarStruck wrote:



The dude has a point man. The list you gave was inaccurate in showing what you described. If you want to focus on the Korean factor then just list the Koreans, or else be prepared for others to point that shit out.

We'll see Stephano in the GSL soon enough where he'll face the toughest competition Korea has to offer.

On September 15 2012 01:30 Salazarz wrote:


You type things like...

"Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer."

From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)

And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers

... then 'prove' it with a list on which less than half players are in fact Terran as 'proof', and insult me as a 'clown' who 'can't read stats', even though the entire time you are the one who insists on specifying exact percentages based on blatantly wrong information.

As for, 'who the feck is better', that's certainly up to discussion however I wouldn't call Rain or Ryung the 'best' in Korean TvZ.

Regardless, I'll repeat this again, I never said Stephano is a bad player (he isn't), but his ZvT isn't amazing nor does he have a 73% winrate against Korean Terrans. He's good, sure. It's just people like you that are annoying.

Sure feel sorry for your sister, though.

On September 15 2012 02:18 a3den wrote:


I agree, it's annoying when people bring numbers as proof and can't even read numbers properly.

If you get TLPD since 1.4.3.2 (or 01/05/12, it's exactly the same when you only keep the Korean ones), you get this :



There's probably mistakes but my point still is : you're about 10% wrong bro.

Now back to MLG vs Proleague :3

On September 15 2012 02:37 revel8 wrote:


Keen is Code S. Or at least he was when he played Stephano.
Ganzi too.

On September 15 2012 02:52 a3den wrote:


While I agree, it doesn't really matter. All Koreans T it's 65%, my S selection it's 60%, yours is 64% but's it's not 73% which was kinda my point.
:D

On September 15 2012 02:00 KarlKaliente wrote:


The top half of that list I feel are capable of big wins here and there, but aren't very consistent so nobody considers them a favorite. Great choices for a tournament like thit - there's bound to be an upset or two of a kespa player which gets everyone excited. I feel that they gave too many slots to North America though. The skill gap is too large, hawk or vibe or axslav are simply not good enough right now to beat a korean. I'd rather see those slots given to a european or any foreigner with a fighting chance.

On September 15 2012 01:11 StarStruck wrote:



The dude has a point man. The list you gave was inaccurate in showing what you described. If you want to focus on the Korean factor then just list the Koreans, or else be prepared for others to point that shit out.

We'll see Stephano in the GSL soon enough where he'll face the toughest competition Korea has to offer.

On September 15 2012 04:55 Benjamin99 wrote:


He got no point I said most of them was Korean top players and 35 of 43 matches is bloody most of them. And here we go again: "he needs to play in GSL". No he fucking don't when he beat all these players in every other tournament. I'm so tired of this shit I have listen to this crap almost a year.

Stephano has had people hating at his potential since he became a Pro. There was a thread about his ladder run in EU. Haters ignored him and said he would get owned at LANS. He won IPL3 and the haters said he only won because his opponents were unprepared for his style. He struggled against Korean Terrans at MLG and the haters said he has been found out by the opponents he beat a week or so before at IPL3. He won ESWC and the haters said that he would be found out soon. They said he would get owned at Blizzard Cup. He went 2-2 at Blizzard Cup and went out despite having the same score as MC. Oh Bomber is not very good, Puma is average, Polt is just OK, JYP is not so good, Ryung is no good etc, MC not very good, Parting and Squirtle bad at PvZ. No-one else gets this level of fucking disrespect. When Stephano won Lone star crash. Small tournament doesn't matter. When he took 3rd at Redbull lan after dominating parting and Squirtle people were more focused about his lost to MC. When he took 3rd at MLG arena people sayd it was just luck. When he won NASL people were saying he was lucky he only had to play ZvP and Hero had an offday. When Jjakji rose to win GSL did haters slag off the opponents he defeated? Do people disrespect DRG's opponents?

Im so fucking tired of this shit. Its almost borderline racism. If you arnt a Korean player in this scene no matter what achievements the man does its not good enough.

72% win ratio since maj in off-line tournaments and still the guy gets slack. Name me 1 fucking other player who got a 72% win ratio in off-line tournaments since Maj. But it doesn't matter because " We will see how he does in GSL" You know what? Ill say this with my deepest respect for you. You can take you: "we will see how he does in GSL" and shove it up you ass buddy.

Excuse my French maybe I'm a bit to emotional but I'm so tired of hearing this crap.

I think the point is you were the one who said 'against Korean Terrans', and crowed about how you checked your facts with the list you posted. I think the majority of responses are pointing that a) they're not all korean b) they're not all Terran so the win % you touted is inherently flawed based upon the evidence you presented. It has zero to do with Stephano, it is more a dissection of 'facts' that are not backed up by the specific evidence you presented.

In any case, if you hate this program so much, why not just not watch it and leave the thread alone? At this point I feel you're just instigating everyone. But to each his own. Have a great weekend

On September 15 2012 04:55 Benjamin99 wrote:


He got no point I said most of them was Korean top players and 35 of 43 matches is bloody most of them. And here we go again: "he needs to play in GSL". No he fucking don't when he beat all these players in every other tournament. I'm so tired of this shit I have listen to this crap almost a year.

Stephano has had people hating at his potential since he became a Pro. There was a thread about his ladder run in EU. Haters ignored him and said he would get owned at LANS. He won IPL3 and the haters said he only won because his opponents were unprepared for his style. He struggled against Korean Terrans at MLG and the haters said he has been found out by the opponents he beat a week or so before at IPL3. He won ESWC and the haters said that he would be found out soon. They said he would get owned at Blizzard Cup. He went 2-2 at Blizzard Cup and went out despite having the same score as MC. Oh Bomber is not very good, Puma is average, Polt is just OK, JYP is not so good, Ryung is no good etc, MC not very good, Parting and Squirtle bad at PvZ. No-one else gets this level of fucking disrespect. When Stephano won Lone star crash. Small tournament doesn't matter. When he took 3rd at Redbull lan after dominating parting and Squirtle people were more focused about his lost to MC. When he took 3rd at MLG arena people sayd it was just luck. When he won NASL people were saying he was lucky he only had to play ZvP and Hero had an offday. When Jjakji rose to win GSL did haters slag off the opponents he defeated? Do people disrespect DRG's opponents?

Im so fucking tired of this shit. Its almost borderline racism. If you arnt a Korean player in this scene no matter what achievements the man does its not good enough.

72% win ratio since maj in off-line tournaments and still the guy gets slack. Name me 1 fucking other player who got a 72% win ratio in off-line tournaments since Maj. But it doesn't matter because " We will see how he does in GSL" You know what? Ill say this with my deepest respect for you. You can take you: "we will see how he does in GSL" and shove it up you ass buddy.

Excuse my French maybe I'm a bit to emotional but I'm so tired of hearing this crap.

On September 15 2012 06:15 MLG_Adam wrote:



Again, not a single person is arguing with you about how good Stephano is, we all agree he is incredible. What is being disputed, or pointed out I guess, is your gross misuse and outright incorrect use of statistics. Something you said is false, and that is all that they're trying to say. Here is my response from the previous page.






Point I'm really getting at is, you have a choice to watch or not to watch this tournament. If you are so against it, why not stop trolling the thread and let discussion about it continue?

On September 15 2012 07:49 Benjamin99 wrote:


I never said Korean terrans please find my post where I said that.

On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote:


Get real Stephano would destroy him. Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer. Its a total mismatch. Flash needs more time

On September 14 2012 20:50 Benjamin99 wrote:


From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)

And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers