On September 14 2012 23:23 Licit wrote: Do NA even have 12 sc2 pros?
not trying to be funny
Top 12 NA players by TLPD's elo
Major Huk Sheth Scarlett Suppy Idra Hawk Vibe Minigun Insur Ostojiy Axslav
With Axslav coming in at 210th overall. At least MLG is doing the early rounds by region, so the NA players that do make it out will have some chance. Better that than seeing Insur vs Flash or some other absurd matchup.
edit: 48 europeans make the top 209, also consider some of these players NA may not attend/participate
Suppy is an emerging star. He makes a lot of small mistakes and that's why he racks up the loses. The guy should be winning a whole lot more once he gets over those hurdles. Same with Illusion.
No matter how many names the guy has Juan is good.
HuK's good when he's determined and not under practiced. Same rule applies for IdrA. What do you know Greg, you aren't so different from Chris after all!
Never overlook Sheth.
Scarlett is scary.
Hawk could be a lot better if his sole focus was on SC.
ViBe is pretty good.
Cannot really comment on Minigun, Insur, Ostojiy and Axslav. I honestly haven't watched enough of them to formulate an opinion.
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I'm surprised by a few of these these names at the top of the NA ELO. Goes to show you how many things are actually considered for it because my list would look a lot different. =/
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
The dude has a point man. The list you gave was inaccurate in showing what you described. If you want to focus on the Korean factor then just list the Koreans, or else be prepared for others to point that shit out.
We'll see Stephano in the GSL soon enough where he'll face the toughest competition Korea has to offer.
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
You type things like...
"Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer."
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
... then 'prove' it with a list on which less than half players are in fact Terran as 'proof', and insult me as a 'clown' who 'can't read stats', even though the entire time you are the one who insists on specifying exact percentages based on blatantly wrong information.
As for, 'who the feck is better', that's certainly up to discussion however I wouldn't call Rain or Ryung the 'best' in Korean TvZ.
Regardless, I'll repeat this again, I never said Stephano is a bad player (he isn't), but his ZvT isn't amazing nor does he have a 73% winrate against Korean Terrans. He's good, sure. It's just people like you that are annoying.
On September 14 2012 23:23 Licit wrote: Do NA even have 12 sc2 pros?
not trying to be funny
Top 12 NA players by TLPD's elo
Major Huk Sheth Scarlett Suppy Idra Hawk Vibe Minigun Insur Ostojiy Axslav
With Axslav coming in at 210th overall. At least MLG is doing the early rounds by region, so the NA players that do make it out will have some chance. Better that than seeing Insur vs Flash or some other absurd matchup.
edit: 48 europeans make the top 209, also consider some of these players NA may not attend/participate
Suppy is an emerging star. He makes a lot of small mistakes and that's why he racks up the loses. The guy should be winning a whole lot more once he gets over those hurdles. Same with Illusion.
No matter how many names the guy has Juan is good.
HuK's good when he's determined and not under practiced. Same rule applies for IdrA. What do you know Greg, you aren't so different from Chris after all!
Never overlook Sheth.
Scarlett is scary.
Hawk could be a lot better if his sole focus was on SC.
ViBe is pretty good.
Cannot really comment on Minigun, Insur, Ostojiy and Axslav. I honestly haven't watched enough of them to formulate an opinion.
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I'm surprised by a few of these these names at the top of the NA ELO. Goes to show you how many things are actually considered for it because my list would look a lot different. =/
The top half of that list I feel are capable of big wins here and there, but aren't very consistent so nobody considers them a favorite. Great choices for a tournament like thit - there's bound to be an upset or two of a kespa player which gets everyone excited. I feel that they gave too many slots to North America though. The skill gap is too large, hawk or vibe or axslav are simply not good enough right now to beat a korean. I'd rather see those slots given to a european or any foreigner with a fighting chance.
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
The dude has a point man. The list you gave was inaccurate in showing what you described. If you want to focus on the Korean factor then just list the Koreans, or else be prepared for others to point that shit out.
We'll see Stephano in the GSL soon enough where he'll face the toughest competition Korea has to offer.
Lol, yeah he made him look silly with that inaccurate list. That would be like me arguing nestea back in the day had awesome zvt (which he didn't), then showing a list mainly of zvz to prove how awesome his zvt was.
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
You type things like...
"Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer."
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
... then 'prove' it with a list on which less than half players are in fact Terran as 'proof', and insult me as a 'clown' who 'can't read stats', even though the entire time you are the one who insists on specifying exact percentages based on blatantly wrong information.
As for, 'who the feck is better', that's certainly up to discussion however I wouldn't call Rain or Ryung the 'best' in Korean TvZ.
Regardless, I'll repeat this again, I never said Stephano is a bad player (he isn't), but his ZvT isn't amazing nor does he have a 73% winrate against Korean Terrans. He's good, sure. It's just people like you that are annoying.
Sure feel sorry for your sister, though.
I agree, it's annoying when people bring numbers as proof and can't even read numbers properly.
If you get TLPD since 1.4.3.2 (or 01/05/12, it's exactly the same when you only keep the Korean ones), you get this :
There's probably mistakes but my point still is : you're about 10% wrong bro.
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
You type things like...
"Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer."
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
... then 'prove' it with a list on which less than half players are in fact Terran as 'proof', and insult me as a 'clown' who 'can't read stats', even though the entire time you are the one who insists on specifying exact percentages based on blatantly wrong information.
As for, 'who the feck is better', that's certainly up to discussion however I wouldn't call Rain or Ryung the 'best' in Korean TvZ.
Regardless, I'll repeat this again, I never said Stephano is a bad player (he isn't), but his ZvT isn't amazing nor does he have a 73% winrate against Korean Terrans. He's good, sure. It's just people like you that are annoying.
Sure feel sorry for your sister, though.
I agree, it's annoying when people bring numbers as proof and can't even read numbers properly.
If you get TLPD since 1.4.3.2 (or 01/05/12, it's exactly the same when you only keep the Korean ones), you get this :
There's probably mistakes but my point still is : you're about 10% wrong bro.
Now back to MLG vs Proleague :3
Keen is Code S. Or at least he was when he played Stephano. Ganzi too. The STC had also been in Code S in the most recent season of GSL prior to playing MLG Summer Championship.
29 wins 15 losses in 44 matches against Code S Terran players is 66% win rate.
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
You type things like...
"Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer."
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
... then 'prove' it with a list on which less than half players are in fact Terran as 'proof', and insult me as a 'clown' who 'can't read stats', even though the entire time you are the one who insists on specifying exact percentages based on blatantly wrong information.
As for, 'who the feck is better', that's certainly up to discussion however I wouldn't call Rain or Ryung the 'best' in Korean TvZ.
Regardless, I'll repeat this again, I never said Stephano is a bad player (he isn't), but his ZvT isn't amazing nor does he have a 73% winrate against Korean Terrans. He's good, sure. It's just people like you that are annoying.
Sure feel sorry for your sister, though.
I agree, it's annoying when people bring numbers as proof and can't even read numbers properly.
If you get TLPD since 1.4.3.2 (or 01/05/12, it's exactly the same when you only keep the Korean ones), you get this :
There's probably mistakes but my point still is : you're about 10% wrong bro.
Now back to MLG vs Proleague :3
Keen is Code S. Or at least he was when he played Stephano. Ganzi too.
While I agree, it doesn't really matter. All Koreans T it's 65%, my S selection it's 60%, yours is 64% but's it's not 73% which was kinda my point. :D
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
You type things like...
"Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer."
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
... then 'prove' it with a list on which less than half players are in fact Terran as 'proof', and insult me as a 'clown' who 'can't read stats', even though the entire time you are the one who insists on specifying exact percentages based on blatantly wrong information.
As for, 'who the feck is better', that's certainly up to discussion however I wouldn't call Rain or Ryung the 'best' in Korean TvZ.
Regardless, I'll repeat this again, I never said Stephano is a bad player (he isn't), but his ZvT isn't amazing nor does he have a 73% winrate against Korean Terrans. He's good, sure. It's just people like you that are annoying.
Sure feel sorry for your sister, though.
I agree, it's annoying when people bring numbers as proof and can't even read numbers properly.
If you get TLPD since 1.4.3.2 (or 01/05/12, it's exactly the same when you only keep the Korean ones), you get this :
There's probably mistakes but my point still is : you're about 10% wrong bro.
Now back to MLG vs Proleague :3
Keen is Code S. Or at least he was when he played Stephano. Ganzi too.
While I agree, it doesn't really matter. All Koreans T it's 65%, my S selection it's 60%, yours is 64% but's it's not 73% which was kinda my point. :D
I am just trying to be accurate. I have no interest in arguing.
I think this particular tournament is going to be incredibly strong with an amazing lineup. So fascinating to see Stephano, Naniwa, Scarlett, DRG, MC, MVP, MKP, Flash, JD and the others all potentially face each other.
On September 14 2012 23:23 Licit wrote: Do NA even have 12 sc2 pros?
not trying to be funny
Top 12 NA players by TLPD's elo
Major Huk Sheth Scarlett Suppy Idra Hawk Vibe Minigun Insur Ostojiy Axslav
With Axslav coming in at 210th overall. At least MLG is doing the early rounds by region, so the NA players that do make it out will have some chance. Better that than seeing Insur vs Flash or some other absurd matchup.
edit: 48 europeans make the top 209, also consider some of these players NA may not attend/participate
Suppy is an emerging star. He makes a lot of small mistakes and that's why he racks up the loses. The guy should be winning a whole lot more once he gets over those hurdles. Same with Illusion.
No matter how many names the guy has Juan is good.
HuK's good when he's determined and not under practiced. Same rule applies for IdrA. What do you know Greg, you aren't so different from Chris after all!
Never overlook Sheth.
Scarlett is scary.
Hawk could be a lot better if his sole focus was on SC.
ViBe is pretty good.
Cannot really comment on Minigun, Insur, Ostojiy and Axslav. I honestly haven't watched enough of them to formulate an opinion.
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I'm surprised by a few of these these names at the top of the NA ELO. Goes to show you how many things are actually considered for it because my list would look a lot different. =/
The top half of that list I feel are capable of big wins here and there, but aren't very consistent so nobody considers them a favorite. Great choices for a tournament like thit - there's bound to be an upset or two of a kespa player which gets everyone excited. I feel that they gave too many slots to North America though. The skill gap is too large, hawk or vibe or axslav are simply not good enough right now to beat a korean. I'd rather see those slots given to a european or any foreigner with a fighting chance.
Inaugural year?
There was a time when HuK and IdrA were pretty consistent with finishing anywhere from top 16 or higher.
It comes down to practice man. Those guys have to work for it just like the rest. There are very few players out there who can turn it off and on and not really miss a beat. That's very rare and as highly as these guys think they are. They are no different from the blue collar guys. They get everything they put into the game.
As for ViBe. I don't think he'll have a problem taking a game from a Korean compared to many of the others.
Slush and ViBe are both wild cards.
P.S. We need more statisticans like Bruno from DotA2.
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
The dude has a point man. The list you gave was inaccurate in showing what you described. If you want to focus on the Korean factor then just list the Koreans, or else be prepared for others to point that shit out.
We'll see Stephano in the GSL soon enough where he'll face the toughest competition Korea has to offer.
He got no point I said most of them was Korean top players and 35 of 43 matches is bloody most of them. And here we go again: "he needs to play in GSL". No he fucking don't when he beat all these players in every other tournament. I'm so tired of this shit I have listen to this crap almost a year.
Stephano has had people hating at his potential since he became a Pro. There was a thread about his ladder run in EU. Haters ignored him and said he would get owned at LANS. He won IPL3 and the haters said he only won because his opponents were unprepared for his style. He struggled against Korean Terrans at MLG and the haters said he has been found out by the opponents he beat a week or so before at IPL3. He won ESWC and the haters said that he would be found out soon. They said he would get owned at Blizzard Cup. He went 2-2 at Blizzard Cup and went out despite having the same score as MC. Oh Bomber is not very good, Puma is average, Polt is just OK, JYP is not so good, Ryung is no good etc, MC not very good, Parting and Squirtle bad at PvZ. No-one else gets this level of fucking disrespect. When Stephano won Lone star crash. Small tournament doesn't matter. When he took 3rd at Redbull lan after dominating parting and Squirtle people were more focused about his lost to MC. When he took 3rd at MLG arena people sayd it was just luck. When he won NASL people were saying he was lucky he only had to play ZvP and Hero had an offday. When Jjakji rose to win GSL did haters slag off the opponents he defeated? Do people disrespect DRG's opponents?
Im so fucking tired of this shit. Its almost borderline racism. If you arnt a Korean player in this scene no matter what achievements the man does its not good enough.
72% win ratio since maj in off-line tournaments and still the guy gets slack. Name me 1 fucking other player who got a 72% win ratio in off-line tournaments since Maj. But it doesn't matter because " We will see how he does in GSL" You know what? Ill say this with my deepest respect for you. You can take you: "we will see how he does in GSL" and shove it up you ass buddy.
Excuse my French maybe I'm a bit to emotional but I'm so tired of hearing this crap.
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
The dude has a point man. The list you gave was inaccurate in showing what you described. If you want to focus on the Korean factor then just list the Koreans, or else be prepared for others to point that shit out.
We'll see Stephano in the GSL soon enough where he'll face the toughest competition Korea has to offer.
He got no point I said most of them was Korean top players and 35 of 43 matches is bloody most of them. And here we go again: "he needs to play in GSL". No he fucking don't when he beat all these players in every other tournament. I'm so tired of this shit I have listen to this crap almost a year.
Stephano has had people hating at his potential since he became a Pro. There was a thread about his ladder run in EU. Haters ignored him and said he would get owned at LANS. He won IPL3 and the haters said he only won because his opponents were unprepared for his style. He struggled against Korean Terrans at MLG and the haters said he has been found out by the opponents he beat a week or so before at IPL3. He won ESWC and the haters said that he would be found out soon. They said he would get owned at Blizzard Cup. He went 2-2 at Blizzard Cup and went out despite having the same score as MC. Oh Bomber is not very good, Puma is average, Polt is just OK, JYP is not so good, Ryung is no good etc, MC not very good, Parting and Squirtle bad at PvZ. No-one else gets this level of fucking disrespect. When Stephano won Lone star crash. Small tournament doesn't matter. When he took 3rd at Redbull lan after dominating parting and Squirtle people were more focused about his lost to MC. When he took 3rd at MLG arena people sayd it was just luck. When he won NASL people were saying he was lucky he only had to play ZvP and Hero had an offday. When Jjakji rose to win GSL did haters slag off the opponents he defeated? Do people disrespect DRG's opponents?
Im so fucking tired of this shit. Its almost borderline racism. If you arnt a Korean player in this scene no matter what achievements the man does its not good enough.
72% win ratio since maj in off-line tournaments and still the guy gets slack. Name me 1 fucking other player who got a 72% win ratio in off-line tournaments since Maj. But it doesn't matter because " We will see how he does in GSL" You know what? Ill say this with my deepest respect for you. You can take you: "we will see how he does in GSL" and shove it up you ass buddy.
Excuse my French maybe I'm a bit to emotional but I'm so tired of hearing this crap.
Again, not a single person is arguing with you about how good Stephano is, we all agree he is incredible. What is being disputed, or pointed out I guess, is your gross misuse and outright incorrect use of statistics. Something you said is false, and that is all that they're trying to say. Here is my response from the previous page.
I think the point is you were the one who said 'against Korean Terrans', and crowed about how you checked your facts with the list you posted. I think the majority of responses are pointing that a) they're not all korean b) they're not all Terran so the win % you touted is inherently flawed based upon the evidence you presented. It has zero to do with Stephano, it is more a dissection of 'facts' that are not backed up by the specific evidence you presented.
In any case, if you hate this program so much, why not just not watch it and leave the thread alone? At this point I feel you're just instigating everyone. But to each his own. Have a great weekend
Point I'm really getting at is, you have a choice to watch or not to watch this tournament. If you are so against it, why not stop trolling the thread and let discussion about it continue?
Cannot really comment on Minigun, Insur, Ostojiy and Axslav. I honestly haven't watched enough of them to formulate an opinion.
Ostojiy is Fantastic, right up there with HuK in terms of skill these days actually,=, hence him placing 2nd at WCS Canada and Top 8 at WCS NA.
A buddy of mine swears that Axslav is a player on the rise now, though I haven't seen him play much lately either, his commentary is well informed when he's casting tho so I'd be cautiously optimistic about that one.
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
The dude has a point man. The list you gave was inaccurate in showing what you described. If you want to focus on the Korean factor then just list the Koreans, or else be prepared for others to point that shit out.
We'll see Stephano in the GSL soon enough where he'll face the toughest competition Korea has to offer.
He got no point I said most of them was Korean top players and 35 of 43 matches is bloody most of them. And here we go again: "he needs to play in GSL". No he fucking don't when he beat all these players in every other tournament. I'm so tired of this shit I have listen to this crap almost a year.
Stephano has had people hating at his potential since he became a Pro. There was a thread about his ladder run in EU. Haters ignored him and said he would get owned at LANS. He won IPL3 and the haters said he only won because his opponents were unprepared for his style. He struggled against Korean Terrans at MLG and the haters said he has been found out by the opponents he beat a week or so before at IPL3. He won ESWC and the haters said that he would be found out soon. They said he would get owned at Blizzard Cup. He went 2-2 at Blizzard Cup and went out despite having the same score as MC. Oh Bomber is not very good, Puma is average, Polt is just OK, JYP is not so good, Ryung is no good etc, MC not very good, Parting and Squirtle bad at PvZ. No-one else gets this level of fucking disrespect. When Stephano won Lone star crash. Small tournament doesn't matter. When he took 3rd at Redbull lan after dominating parting and Squirtle people were more focused about his lost to MC. When he took 3rd at MLG arena people sayd it was just luck. When he won NASL people were saying he was lucky he only had to play ZvP and Hero had an offday. When Jjakji rose to win GSL did haters slag off the opponents he defeated? Do people disrespect DRG's opponents?
Im so fucking tired of this shit. Its almost borderline racism. If you arnt a Korean player in this scene no matter what achievements the man does its not good enough.
72% win ratio since maj in off-line tournaments and still the guy gets slack. Name me 1 fucking other player who got a 72% win ratio in off-line tournaments since Maj. But it doesn't matter because " We will see how he does in GSL" You know what? Ill say this with my deepest respect for you. You can take you: "we will see how he does in GSL" and shove it up you ass buddy.
Excuse my French maybe I'm a bit to emotional but I'm so tired of hearing this crap.
Oh my god, give it a rest. Who the fuck are these 'haters?' you speak of. In my experience most anti-Stephano sentiment is actually created only as a reaction to his fanboys who have to turn every single thread no matter how unrelated, into a discussion about him.
Stephano is good, people accept that. It's people like you claiming he is some kind of second coming, or defending him when he patently doesn't need defended, every thread. Everyone knows about his ZvP being godlike, his other matchups aren't quite as good against the top players out there, but Stephano's ZvT is good enough to beat pretty much every non TvZ specialist Korean.
He hasn't played a GSL, the format is different and he's had chances to go and prove his doubters wrong by playing it. He's clearly got ability, if he's got the ability to win a GSL or whatever go and do it.
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
The dude has a point man. The list you gave was inaccurate in showing what you described. If you want to focus on the Korean factor then just list the Koreans, or else be prepared for others to point that shit out.
We'll see Stephano in the GSL soon enough where he'll face the toughest competition Korea has to offer.
He got no point I said most of them was Korean top players and 35 of 43 matches is bloody most of them. And here we go again: "he needs to play in GSL". No he fucking don't when he beat all these players in every other tournament. I'm so tired of this shit I have listen to this crap almost a year.
Stephano has had people hating at his potential since he became a Pro. There was a thread about his ladder run in EU. Haters ignored him and said he would get owned at LANS. He won IPL3 and the haters said he only won because his opponents were unprepared for his style. He struggled against Korean Terrans at MLG and the haters said he has been found out by the opponents he beat a week or so before at IPL3. He won ESWC and the haters said that he would be found out soon. They said he would get owned at Blizzard Cup. He went 2-2 at Blizzard Cup and went out despite having the same score as MC. Oh Bomber is not very good, Puma is average, Polt is just OK, JYP is not so good, Ryung is no good etc, MC not very good, Parting and Squirtle bad at PvZ. No-one else gets this level of fucking disrespect. When Stephano won Lone star crash. Small tournament doesn't matter. When he took 3rd at Redbull lan after dominating parting and Squirtle people were more focused about his lost to MC. When he took 3rd at MLG arena people sayd it was just luck. When he won NASL people were saying he was lucky he only had to play ZvP and Hero had an offday. When Jjakji rose to win GSL did haters slag off the opponents he defeated? Do people disrespect DRG's opponents?
Im so fucking tired of this shit. Its almost borderline racism. If you arnt a Korean player in this scene no matter what achievements the man does its not good enough.
72% win ratio since maj in off-line tournaments and still the guy gets slack. Name me 1 fucking other player who got a 72% win ratio in off-line tournaments since Maj. But it doesn't matter because " We will see how he does in GSL" You know what? Ill say this with my deepest respect for you. You can take you: "we will see how he does in GSL" and shove it up you ass buddy.
Excuse my French maybe I'm a bit to emotional but I'm so tired of hearing this crap.
Again, not a single person is arguing with you about how good Stephano is, we all agree he is incredible. What is being disputed, or pointed out I guess, is your gross misuse and outright incorrect use of statistics. Something you said is false, and that is all that they're trying to say. Here is my response from the previous page.
I think the point is you were the one who said 'against Korean Terrans', and crowed about how you checked your facts with the list you posted. I think the majority of responses are pointing that a) they're not all korean b) they're not all Terran so the win % you touted is inherently flawed based upon the evidence you presented. It has zero to do with Stephano, it is more a dissection of 'facts' that are not backed up by the specific evidence you presented.
In any case, if you hate this program so much, why not just not watch it and leave the thread alone? At this point I feel you're just instigating everyone. But to each his own. Have a great weekend
Point I'm really getting at is, you have a choice to watch or not to watch this tournament. If you are so against it, why not stop trolling the thread and let discussion about it continue?
I never said Korean terrans please find my post where I said that. I said his offline results since Maj and for that I'm correct. And frankly I'm quite offended that you come and say I'm instigating everyone for just stating the stats and facts. And wtf calling me a troll? I never trolled anyone in my entire life.
So because some pages ago where I point out how unfair and unsportsmanlike this format is you have to attack me by calling me a troll? Frankly this is as insulting as you new format. People got different opinions MLG Adam and we are hopefully still allowed to express that on TL. I understand it would be easier for you business if people just kissed you ass and bought you tickets. But if you make a PR thread you should be expected to be scrutinised about you unsportsmanlike conduct.
Anyway I am sorry for derailing the thread and I wont post any more. But calling me a troll is way out of order
On September 14 2012 12:32 Benjamin99 wrote: Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer.
But that's not true.
From 1st Maj 2012 until today 57 wins - 21 losses ZvT (73.08%)
And BTW you really shouldn't argue me with numbers I love numbers
It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.
Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't.
Edit: actually ill do it for you
Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj
Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0
43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35.
Have a nice day end of argument
Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right.
Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts.
Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread
The dude has a point man. The list you gave was inaccurate in showing what you described. If you want to focus on the Korean factor then just list the Koreans, or else be prepared for others to point that shit out.
We'll see Stephano in the GSL soon enough where he'll face the toughest competition Korea has to offer.
He got no point I said most of them was Korean top players and 35 of 43 matches is bloody most of them. And here we go again: "he needs to play in GSL". No he fucking don't when he beat all these players in every other tournament. I'm so tired of this shit I have listen to this crap almost a year.
Stephano has had people hating at his potential since he became a Pro. There was a thread about his ladder run in EU. Haters ignored him and said he would get owned at LANS. He won IPL3 and the haters said he only won because his opponents were unprepared for his style. He struggled against Korean Terrans at MLG and the haters said he has been found out by the opponents he beat a week or so before at IPL3. He won ESWC and the haters said that he would be found out soon. They said he would get owned at Blizzard Cup. He went 2-2 at Blizzard Cup and went out despite having the same score as MC. Oh Bomber is not very good, Puma is average, Polt is just OK, JYP is not so good, Ryung is no good etc, MC not very good, Parting and Squirtle bad at PvZ. No-one else gets this level of fucking disrespect. When Stephano won Lone star crash. Small tournament doesn't matter. When he took 3rd at Redbull lan after dominating parting and Squirtle people were more focused about his lost to MC. When he took 3rd at MLG arena people sayd it was just luck. When he won NASL people were saying he was lucky he only had to play ZvP and Hero had an offday. When Jjakji rose to win GSL did haters slag off the opponents he defeated? Do people disrespect DRG's opponents?
Im so fucking tired of this shit. Its almost borderline racism. If you arnt a Korean player in this scene no matter what achievements the man does its not good enough.
72% win ratio since maj in off-line tournaments and still the guy gets slack. Name me 1 fucking other player who got a 72% win ratio in off-line tournaments since Maj. But it doesn't matter because " We will see how he does in GSL" You know what? Ill say this with my deepest respect for you. You can take you: "we will see how he does in GSL" and shove it up you ass buddy.
Excuse my French maybe I'm a bit to emotional but I'm so tired of hearing this crap.
Again, not a single person is arguing with you about how good Stephano is, we all agree he is incredible. What is being disputed, or pointed out I guess, is your gross misuse and outright incorrect use of statistics. Something you said is false, and that is all that they're trying to say. Here is my response from the previous page.
I think the point is you were the one who said 'against Korean Terrans', and crowed about how you checked your facts with the list you posted. I think the majority of responses are pointing that a) they're not all korean b) they're not all Terran so the win % you touted is inherently flawed based upon the evidence you presented. It has zero to do with Stephano, it is more a dissection of 'facts' that are not backed up by the specific evidence you presented.
In any case, if you hate this program so much, why not just not watch it and leave the thread alone? At this point I feel you're just instigating everyone. But to each his own. Have a great weekend
Point I'm really getting at is, you have a choice to watch or not to watch this tournament. If you are so against it, why not stop trolling the thread and let discussion about it continue?
I never said Korean terrans please find my post where I said that.
You really make this too easy for people. It all started from this post.
On September 14 2012 06:55 Megiddosc wrote: I'd definitely think a match between Stephano and Flash would be interesting.
Stephano would destroy him. The best Kespa players right now are not the famous Kespa players.
Maybe 2 months ago? At this point I'd give the edge to Flash, pretty comfortably. If you've been following the Korean scene lately you'd see that the A-teamers are quickly surpassing everyone around them, both IEF and KESPA players. The fact that they have surpassed the top foreigners is a given at this point.
Get real Stephano would destroy him. Stephano ZvT win ratio the last 5 months is 72% against the best Korea got to offer. Its a total mismatch. Flash needs more time
The point is this whole conversation started from this quote and you said his zvt is 72% against the best korea has got to offer. That 72% was his whole zvt since May and not just against korean terrans. People called you out on that, and you keep denying you said that.
I bet next you're going to say, I didn't mean all korean terrans, I just meant most of them were koreans. Well then if you really meant that, then you should have said that and then only used stats against korean terrans. I counted briefly, so I may have miscounted but I got 35-18 for 66%. It's close to 72%, but isn't exactly 72%, which is the point since you said someone shouldn't argue with you with numbers since you love numbers. You just don't love numbers enough to use them correctly.