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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On September 14 2012 21:02 Salazarz wrote: It's not 72% against 'the best Korea has got to offer'. If you want to nitpick on numbers and words, you should really check your facts more thoroughly.  Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't. Edit: actually ill do it for you Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0 43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35. Have a nice day end of argument | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On September 14 2012 21:43 Benjamin99 wrote: Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't. Edit: actually ill do it for you Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0 43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35. Have a nice day end of argument When did MC, Symbol, Squirtle, Alicia, JYP, and a bunch of others i cbf naming play Terran? I'm assuming this turned into an "open" statistic against just Koreans in general? what the shit is Maj?  and where is MVP, MMA, Taeja? aLive? Granted Ryung, Polt, Keen and PuMa are "good", but they arent the best Korea has to offer... | ||
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Achaia
United States643 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 14 2012 21:43 Benjamin99 wrote: Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't. Edit: actually ill do it for you Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0 43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35. Have a nice day end of argument Not to rain on your parade... 1. Not all of those are Koreans. 2. Not all of those are Terran. ._. 3. Why would anyone questions Stephano's rates is beyond me. Stephano hasn't competed against everyone, but he has competed against some pretty good players. I look forward to seeing him in the GSL. Definitely one of our top dogs atm. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
On September 14 2012 21:43 Benjamin99 wrote: Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't. Of those results, the ones I would say count as "top koreans" give stephano a 50% win rate, 23 wins 23 losses. Of the ones I would call "top korean Terrans" I would probably say there's only 1 series, and stephano lost it 1-2. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On September 14 2012 21:43 Benjamin99 wrote: Since Maj Stephano has pretty much only played vs Korean top players in off-line tournaments. Go check it by yourself. I check my facts you apparently don't. Edit: actually ill do it for you Stephano´s off-line tournament opponents since Maj Stephano vs Revival 0-2 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs TheSTC 2-0 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 1-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 0-2 Stephano vs Hero 2-1 Stephano vs Ryung 2-1 Stephano vs Oz 1-2 Stephano vs Revival 2-1 Stephano vs QXC 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 4-0 Stephano vs MC 4-2 Stephano vs Hero 3-1 Stephano vs Mana 0-2 Stephano vs Nerchio 2-0 Stephano vs Keen 2-0 Stephano vs Huk 2-0 Stephano vs Morrow 2-0 Stephano vs Slivko 0-2 Stephano vs Puma 2-0 Stephano vs Daisy 2-0 Stephano vs Freizy 2-0 Stephano vs Sase 1-2 Stephano vs MKP 1-2 Stephano vs Rain 2-1 Stephano vs JYP 2-0 Stephano vs Ganzi 2-0 Stephano vs Alicia 2-0 Stephano vs Polt 2-1 Stephano vs Squirtle 3-1 Stephano vs MC 2-3 Stephano vs Parting 2-0 Stephano vs Rain 2-0 Stephano vs Violet 2-1 Stephano vs Violet 0-2 Stephano vs Symbol 0-2 Stephano vs Heart 2-1 Stephano vs MC 2-0 Stephano vs Ret 2-0 Stephano vs Ryung 2-0 43 matches played 31 won total win %72 number of Korean opponents: 35. Have a nice day end of argument Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right. | ||
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Coolhwip
Sweden1381 Posts
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Licit
Japan237 Posts
not trying to be funny | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17439 Posts
is that the ignominious end of the NYC-centric "MLG Arena"? | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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KarlKaliente
United States434 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:23 Licit wrote: Do NA even have 12 sc2 pros? not trying to be funny Top 12 NA players by TLPD's elo Major Huk Sheth Scarlett Suppy Idra Hawk Vibe Minigun Insur Ostojiy Axslav With Axslav coming in at 210th overall. At least MLG is doing the early rounds by region, so the NA players that do make it out will have some chance. Better that than seeing Insur vs Flash or some other absurd matchup. edit: 48 europeans make the top 209, also consider some of these players NA may not attend/participate | ||
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Desertfaux
Netherlands276 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:23 Licit wrote: Do NA even have 12 sc2 pros? not trying to be funny In before all the Americans lose all their matches... I have no idea who can go against the non-Kespa koreans (just 6, gotta be quality). I have some hope for the US players winning against the Europeans not named Stephano, maybe a Kespa player or two will drop the ball. I am really fearing its going to be an all Korean ro16 with Stephano as exception. Maybe some foreigner makes it far because he plays foreigners alot till the ro16 | ||
MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:14 Coolhwip wrote: This seems fairly unintresting to me, a big tournament where you dont focus to get the best players, whats the point? Maybe if you were a little more pro gaming educated you'd feel as excited as everyone to see for the very first time a major roster consisting of Korean pro gaming superstars about to play abroad in an entirely new competitive environement, very different than the one they've been performing in the past 10 years or so. This is the very very very first time the core of the pro gaming mecca opens to the world. It's litteraly huge. But then, sadly, you won't ever feel that sort of excitement nor understand a bit of it. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On September 14 2012 22:41 Salazarz wrote: Have a nice day end of argument Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right. Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts. Anyway enough, sorry for derailing the thread | ||
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Cattlecruiser
United States340 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:23 Licit wrote: Do NA even have 12 sc2 pros? not trying to be funny Technically we have more than 12 sc2 "pros". In all reality they are mostly college dropouts or students that play sc2 as a serious hobby. With the exception of Idra, Sheth and Huk, they don't make enough money to be considered professionals. Stay in school | ||
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On September 15 2012 00:51 Benjamin99 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2012 22:41 Salazarz wrote: Have a nice day end of argument Most of these players aren't Terran, plenty of them aren't Korean, and most of the Korean T's on that list are hardly 'best Korea has to offer', especially TvZ-wise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Stephano isn't good or anything. But people like you are annoying, and your 'facts' aren't right. Apparently you cant count either. I don't even know why I keep responding to you. How can you say plenty of them aren't Korean when 35 out of 43 matches is against Korean opponents. And hardly the best Korea got to offer? lol? Who the feck is better? Normally I don't attack people on these forums but you my dear are a clown who cant even count or read stats properly but wow you sure are opinionated. You remind me of my sister loud and ignorant and refuse to listen to facts. I think the point is you were the one who said 'against Korean Terrans', and crowed about how you checked your facts with the list you posted. I think the majority of responses are pointing that a) they're not all korean b) they're not all Terran so the win % you touted is inherently flawed based upon the evidence you presented. It has zero to do with Stephano, it is more a dissection of 'facts' that are not backed up by the specific evidence you presented. In any case, if you hate this program so much, why not just not watch it and leave the thread alone? At this point I feel you're just instigating everyone. But to each his own. Have a great weekend | ||
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