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On September 13 2012 16:10 elKaDor wrote:
i pay more than 600euro / Month for my apartment, though there are easy to get cheaper in sweden, 600Euro for a living in poland seems like an robbery
yeah well apparently you know shit about living in Poland, I give you 600 euro and you find me an apartment in Warsaw, provide all the food I want, pay all the bills and clean, please WHERE do I sign?
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On September 13 2012 16:12 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:10 elKaDor wrote:
i pay more than 600euro / Month for my apartment, though there are easy to get cheaper in sweden, 600Euro for a living in poland seems like an robbery It seems like an appropriate amount considering the amenities and computers and the fact that it's a training house. However, it does totally invalidate any justification for stream revenue sharing.
Training house apparently that has very little to do with training. According to Fuzer there are no coaches nor any sort of schedule except play, eat, sleep, rinse and repeat.
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On September 13 2012 16:03 snailz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 15:15 Bill Murray wrote:
600 Euros a month isn't anything at all people like this make it so hard to not generalize about Americans and their education :/ could you please acknowledge the fact that prices and living standard in general is not same anywhere you go in the world, or is the problem that you think that because Poland is in Europe it's like Paris costs-wise ? i'm really wondering what's the background for a statement like that? you must know something many people actually from eastern europe don't... :/
I'm an American and at 600Euro/month I could have joined my friend on a semester abroad in Spain (and consequently stopped her from sleeping with a bunch of guys she'd never see again and maybe sleep with me xD)
Point being one person doesn't mean all American's are idiots.
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I don't get why the topic is being derailed to living costs, but since its a topic at hand, u folks got to realize its retarded to assume their living costs should scale with yours from x country. How much do 3 meatballs really cost in Poland? Rent in their neighborhood? What about the power bill, which should be damn high with all those computers. Also these kids are getting jammed into 5 bedroom cells, so should the rent be drastically higher or lower? Membership fees to be a part of their starcraft club? Nobody knows, because there is no standard for this, so MoW decides! It's their show.. Why are you telling them how to do business? If you think its a scam...dont live there? You drama queens should be witchhunting the bastards who are making our gas prices go up, at least that affects us.
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For everyone saying 600 € is insanely high, brining GDP etc...
I don't know if it's just ignorance or stupidity.
First of all Warsaw is a different story when compared with the rest of the country.
In 2010, you for a 90m flat costed 3 TIMES what you would pay for the same in Berlin! and this didn't change much.
Also Median of earnings in Warsaw is 130% of Polands average salary. If you make 2500 zls here its sh!t salary.
Secondly, i dont get why some think of MOW as a renting company? shouldnt we rather compare it with a Hotel? It's supposed to be training facility for gamers not a random cheapest flat in Warsaw with low living standard.
Finally. Why people ignore a business side of this? Its not a charity. Every gaming house is there to make profit (including Korea). Personally, i would go for much more than 600 € monthly. The higher the price is, it attracts people that take pro gaming seriously - take that into account, otherwise you would end up with a bunch of nerdy TL forumers on Holiday 
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On September 13 2012 16:16 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:03 snailz wrote:On September 13 2012 15:15 Bill Murray wrote:
600 Euros a month isn't anything at all people like this make it so hard to not generalize about Americans and their education :/ could you please acknowledge the fact that prices and living standard in general is not same anywhere you go in the world, or is the problem that you think that because Poland is in Europe it's like Paris costs-wise ? i'm really wondering what's the background for a statement like that? you must know something many people actually from eastern europe don't... :/ I'm an American and at 600Euro/month I could have joined my friend on a semester abroad in Spain (and consequently stopped her from sleeping with a bunch of guys she'd never see again and maybe sleep with me xD)Point being one person doesn't mean all American's are idiots.
hahahahah, so funny :D
yeah mate, that's why i edited out the part i originally wrote and inserted "you make it hard for me not to generalize" before posting. it was supposed to show the internal struggle which i overcame, but it still made me came of as a dick, so sorry about that. in my defense, i really did avoid generalization in that post (even though i later ruined everything with bringing attention to it)
cheers
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I hope you get your money back! If you didn't sign it then you didn't agree to anything, so it's a bit silly of MoW to let you stay in the house.
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On September 13 2012 15:52 FakeDeath wrote:
I read Esfi statement but they never actually answer what Fuzer said.
And MoW reputation goes down the drain.
That was no statement. I'm sorely disappointed.
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On September 13 2012 16:15 marmuc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:10 elKaDor wrote:
i pay more than 600euro / Month for my apartment, though there are easy to get cheaper in sweden, 600Euro for a living in poland seems like an robbery yeah well apparently you know shit about living in Poland, I give you 600 euro and you find me an apartment in Warsaw, provide all the food I want, pay all the bills and clean, please WHERE do I sign?
U have to take into consideration 600 euro from 10ish people = 6000 euros for month.
I bet that i can find u a nice apartment in warshaw for that 
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Really hate the boss parties part.
I think it's really incorrect towards the players to act this way. Unfortunately in eSport from my personal experience this kind of things always happens - it's very childish and unprofessional. Really, the western industry needs to grow up and NOT tolerate this kind of things...
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On September 13 2012 16:16 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:03 snailz wrote:On September 13 2012 15:15 Bill Murray wrote:
600 Euros a month isn't anything at all people like this make it so hard to not generalize about Americans and their education :/ could you please acknowledge the fact that prices and living standard in general is not same anywhere you go in the world, or is the problem that you think that because Poland is in Europe it's like Paris costs-wise ? i'm really wondering what's the background for a statement like that? you must know something many people actually from eastern europe don't... :/ I'm an American and at 600Euro/month I could have joined my friend on a semester abroad in Spain (and consequently stopped her from sleeping with a bunch of guys she'd never see again and maybe sleep with me xD) Point being one person doesn't mean all American's are idiots.
huh?
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The MoW statement doesnt change my bad feelings about the whole situation. Why do they demand the lawyers license?
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10 years thing sounds like slave labour for me... so stupid
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On September 13 2012 16:42 zul wrote:
The MoW statement doesnt change my bad feelings about the whole situation. Why do they demand the lawyers license?
Also, why do they release the statement through an article on ESFI? (and a biased one at that, IMO)
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This drama is pretty deligthful for defining pro gamers like a work.
1. Why fuzer is talking about his money? he doesn't have a team? are you considered a pro gamer if you are paying to play and not the other way?
2. How is able fuzer to sell his work (o hell what is the programer work, what he produces? stream hours?) to another company besides his team house?
3. How is possible to fuzer to negotiate a contract by himself about his work without his team support?
I really believe that fuzer is not a progamer at all, or progamers as a profession is not defined and is not clear neither their responabilities nor their rights as a player.
What makes you a pro player? play 8 hours a day and go to some tournaments?
Is pretty hard to compare progaming to a regular job but some interest stuff could happen in that disscussion what do you think?
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On September 13 2012 16:15 marmuc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2012 16:10 elKaDor wrote:
i pay more than 600euro / Month for my apartment, though there are easy to get cheaper in sweden, 600Euro for a living in poland seems like an robbery yeah well apparently you know shit about living in Poland, I give you 600 euro and you find me an apartment in Warsaw, provide all the food I want, pay all the bills and clean, please WHERE do I sign?
Keep in mind, it's a split apparment. You have an room-mate etc. Also, one hot meal a day + cereals. I think in reality without a profit that should be around 200-270e a month. Ministry of WIN indeed.
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I made an account just to coment on this shit.
MoW, your behavoir is pathetic. I was very fond of you, but after seing how sadly you treat your players, i have to say, i no longer support you.
ps: give fuzer his money back
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Well the official MoW statement doesn't really clarify anything regarding Fuzer's situation, they only address the issue very briefly without specifying any details at all. And the videos seem kind of random seeing how they don't discuss any of the points MoW has been criticized for, they're just standard interviews saying "the house is nice". I don't know how this will unfold but often times stepping up and admitting a mistake is more advantageous publicity wise than just avoiding the issue entirely.
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