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Stop derailing with living cost talk On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote: Press Release: http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012 Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com. - Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote: http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims - Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On September 13 2012 15:18 iwearcapes wrote: thats like 900 US dollars? pretty expensive for one person i think livin on my own i paid 400 They get everything looked after though. Not unfair if you think of that.. Also how is anyone saying they didn't refute what Fuzer said? They said they offered him the refund -_- | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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podsiad
Poland9 Posts
User was banned for this post. | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
And MoW reputation goes down the drain. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On September 13 2012 15:35 Agathon wrote: And for 400 you've a garden, a maid, a sauna, an high speed internet connection, a computer, a weights room, buddy to train SC2 and a cooker ? For all this, he had to pay the 600 euros PLUS the rev-share on his stream, though | ||
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NojAh
Lithuania191 Posts
On September 13 2012 15:50 podsiad wrote: instead of making drama americancunts, go and win a tournament. at least one. According to you if I don't win tournaments I can't complain about anything and people can't treat me as they want? Somehow I can feel polish bias :/ | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 13 2012 15:52 SolidMustard wrote: For all this, he had to pay the 600 euros PLUS the rev-share on his stream, though Would he have gotten revenue on his stream had he not entered the MoW though? | ||
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ins(out)side
220 Posts
I just don't see how it could have taken that long for Fuzer's legal representation to take a gander at the contract. Why couldn't MoW just wait until Fuzer had handled the matter with some legal counsel, especially since the contract was written in a language that wasn't his main one? As far as I know that doesn't seem very accommodating on the part of MoW. In the meanwhile, he has paid to stay in the house so why doesn't he just stay there to at least get the value of what he paid? Maybe Fuzer could reach an agreement with MoW to stay for half the month and then have half the money he paid returned to him. That way he can stay and practice and get better (he mentioned improving while there), he can get his "moneys worth" while MoW still gets half the money. A sort of fee for his leaving the house and not signing the contract. Just a thought but I feel like it could work. Of course, I don't know all the details so I can only speculate. | ||
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kaokentake
383 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 13 2012 15:55 FabledIntegral wrote: Would he have gotten revenue on his stream had he not entered the MoW though? IIRC he could but he decides to not run ads because he streams for fun and not as a job | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
1. Unreasonable labor obligation with stream revenue sharing - not verbally communicated to players. 2. Unreasonable non-compete clause, at odds with Polish and international law and practice - again, not verbally communicated to players. 3. Charging players 600 EUR per month and then expecting them to work for you? What? Are they customers or employees? 4. Under Polish law, non-compete clauses require at least 25% of median salary during employment as monetary compensation for the duration of the agreement post-employment. 5. Dismissal of player's concerns about contract by demanding to see his legal counsel's license? What the hell? 6. Blackmailing a player by refusing a refund if they don't sign the contract. This is beyond the pale. | ||
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kaokentake
383 Posts
On September 13 2012 16:00 yeint wrote: Ministry of Win is a complete scam and should be ostracized from the community. TL should pull Ret from there, and also refuse to show any MoW-affiliated streams. 1. Unreasonable labor obligation with stream revenue sharing - not verbally communicated to players. 2. Unreasonable non-compete clause, at odds with Polish and international law and practice - again, not verbally communicated to players. 3. Charging players 600 EUR per month and then expecting them to work for you? What? Are they customers or employees? 4. Under Polish law, non-compete clauses require at least 25% of median salary during employment as monetary compensation for the duration of the agreement post-employment. 5. Dismissal of player's concerns about contract by demanding to see his legal counsel's license? What the hell? 6. Blackmailing a player by refusing a refund if they don't sign the contract. This is beyond the pale. you have a point about possibly this being illegal because if they are required to work they are employees and if they are an employee then that means theres minimum wage laws right | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On September 13 2012 15:15 Bill Murray wrote: 600 Euros a month isn't anything at all people like this make it so hard to not generalize about Americans and their education :/ could you please acknowledge the fact that prices and living standard in general is not same anywhere you go in the world, or is the problem that you think that because Poland is in Europe it's like Paris costs-wise ? i'm really wondering what's the background for a statement like that? you must know something many people actually from eastern europe don't... :/ | ||
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Grettin
42411 Posts
What disgusts me personally the most is the unhealthy food here and even Desrow said the same. | ||
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marmuc
110 Posts
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=attention whore User was warned for this post | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On September 13 2012 15:35 Agathon wrote: And for 400 you've a garden, a maid, a sauna, an high speed internet connection, a computer, a weights room, buddy to train SC2 and a cooker ? Yes. If I get together with 9 other people and we all spend 400, that's 4000 a month. Hell, we could have all that and a chauffeured limo to drive us around. Here, an Estonian house, 5 minute walk from a beach, 15 minute drive from the city center, 347 square meters (3700 sq ft), swimming pool, sauna, etc. 1500 euros a month. http://city24.ee/realestate/house/1174203 Electric bill with 20ish computers running 24/7 would probably be around 200 euros a month. Water/garbage/etc would be another 100 tops. 100mbit Internet would be around 40 a month. | ||
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elKaDor
Sweden376 Posts
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On September 13 2012 16:03 snailz wrote: people like this make it so hard to not generalize about Americans and their education :/ could you please acknowledge the fact that prices and living standard in general is not same anywhere you go in the world, or is the problem that you think that because Poland is in Europe it's like Paris costs-wise ? i'm really wondering what's the background for a statement like that? you must know something many people actually from eastern europe don't... :/ 800 dollars a month for a tiny portion of rent is pretty steep in a lot of places in the US/Canada as well. I rented a very nice two bedroom apartment by the river in Winnipeg and it was 800 dollars a month. This was well above what a normal apartment would cost, let alone what renting a house would cost. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On September 13 2012 16:10 elKaDor wrote: i pay more than 600euro / Month for my apartment, though there are easy to get cheaper in sweden, 600Euro for a living in poland seems like an robbery It seems like an appropriate amount considering the amenities and computers and the fact that it's a training house. However, it does totally invalidate any justification for stream revenue sharing. | ||
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