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Stop derailing with living cost talk On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote: Press Release: http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012 Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com. - Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote: http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims - Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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CeriseCherries
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graan
Germany589 Posts
This all seems to be a big misunderstanding.. you shouldnt have ranted on tl, sure he only offered you the money back after you 'threatened' them, but this kinda is how business works in the western world. i cant be 100% sure cause i dont know the details, but from the information given, mow is legaly not even obligated to pay you back. | ||
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SaJeR.
Spain23 Posts
600x5=3000€, assuming that there are no more people living in there. It´s a STEAL. In KOR you can live in a training house for... 200000KWR a month? Didn´t remember what I paid, but surely it was closer to 200$ than to 300$. 4-5 meals a day, coach, and a lot of skilled people. Also... cleaning your room and the "training area"? For god shake, paying 600€ a month and you don´t have a housecleaner? C'mon, it´s 10€/hr. Also... 5 hours a day streaming and do you want revenues? WTF? MORE MONEY? Seriously, Ministry of WIN is the best name for them, dunno how some players pay them to go. As some others I didn't like Fuzer when I used to play, but he´s speaking truth here. For 600€ a month / 1 room I'd expect at least some mermaids giving me air while playing. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:59 r.Evo wrote: If I tell you to "sign my fucking contract or leave my fucking house" you still have a choice. It's not nicely put but it's just the same. That's not forcing you to leave, that's insisting on you finally signing a contract that should have been signed a month ago. They didn't show him the contract a month ago though. He even said We spoke a few weeks ago and it was my first attempt when I tried to sign a contract with him. And then there is revision, and lawyer business. So I doubt they gave him sufficient time to react before the "take it or leave it" deal. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:59 Fuzer wrote: He posted first picture about it http://i.imgur.com/PFNQU.png , where was no censoring so i thought that he doesnt mind. And that happened after I told this to go public. Yeah. And you try to provide another screenshot to "put it in context" which starts with him talking about you just accusing him of theft. Those bits and pieces in general are imho not things that should be shown around in public, but you could at least have the decency to provide the entire context, including your comments. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:51 r.Evo wrote: Let's say I rent out rooms to people I meet online and out of the ten places I have available the demand is high enough that it's always full. Furthermore, it takes some time to set it up with new people and that's why I ask all of my customers to tell me a month in advance if they want to leave. Now a guy comes along who gives me a two month payment in advance, after a month and 5 days he tells me he won't sign my contract and would rather leave instead. My room will be most likely empty for the entire month because of set-up times and now that it's suddenly about his money he starts to care and threatens legal action because of something he already got but refused to sign a contract about? I'd probably make sure that I'm not telling this in written but "Oh, whoops, damn, I'd love to pay you your money back but sadly I can't find our signed contract - can you?" sounds like a likely and reasonable answer he'd get after causing a mess for all the time. Are both sides unprofessional and/or naive? Yeah, sure. Can I think of any similar situation where the guy would actually get his money back? (Think renting a place, a hotel room, a subscription) - Nope. And for good reasons. If you are stupid or gready enough to take the money without signing a contract you have no right to complain that now you have an empty room. Like i've said, Fuzer was naive, MoW is an organization, a business, a bet they don't give money away without a contract, but aparently they take it. | ||
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tribulator
774 Posts
And theres no issue among you people with Fuzer saying "I like war"? Holy shit... what the fuck is wrong with you people? | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:57 ragz_gt wrote: Are you kidding? Do you realize that Stream != training. It is actually the opposite a lot of the time, just ask Polt. Like you said, Destiny streams on average 6-8 hours a day, and where did that get him? Not better, that's for sure. I don't think it's fair for a facility to require Streaming quota for players who tries to train. What I think is completely wrong, is telling people they need to stream certain hour AFTER they already got there. This is what Fuzer claimed, and MoW did not refute in any way. Scarlett got where she was practicing EXCLUSIVELY on the ladder. With her computer (laptop) being what it was, I doubt she was practicing anywhere but NA. This is training, like it or not, and can be done on the ladder on stream. Destiny's been talking about this for how long, 2 months now? He's already said he went over the contracts, and I highly doubt he would have committed to going to MoW if there was something wrong with them. The streaming stuff was ALWAYS there, and Fuzer's inability to look into those guidelines before going to the house is HIS fault, and not MoW's. This is of course all he said/she said, remember. None of this can be proven. Fuzer could tell me he was Elvis Presley, doesn't mean it's true. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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JohnHarr
United States375 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:51 indxrje wrote: this is disgraceful i have emailed mows sponsor I am sorry, but that is the stupidest thing you could have done and doesn't help anyone in this situation. As it is currently we don't have many facts to go on, just a few pieces of Skype conversations and a few terms that are supposedly in the contract. You shouldn't pm any sponsors until someone does something so bad that you feel it can harm other people who are not involved(or an innocent person) and it needs to be something that you can prove without a shadow of a doubt(my opinion here). Bad form  | ||
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
Will stay tuned to see how this all plays out :X | ||
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Vertitto
Poland750 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:01 Leijona wrote: Lol, just stop with the ridiculous 8hours a day streaming thing. Thats funny well that escaleted.... from 4h/d to 8 ? relative math is relative :O | ||
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aMEkaRmy
Canada633 Posts
With that said, The contract was a bit confusing at first but they gave everyone in the house a full day to sit down together and point out what we didn't like and what we wanted to change. They were very receptive to our changes. Everything we weren't comfortable with they changed, and if we didn't understand something they clarified it. I had no problems with the contract after we all re-worked it. Players saying the NDA are keeping them from not saying anything isn't true. The NDA never said anything about not talking badly about MoW or talking about what happened within the house. They just want to make sure that we don't tell out company secrets to competitors since they were the first of this type of gaming house, It was just to cover themselves. It was all understood, It was to keep company secrets since everyone living in the house had exposure to how the entire house ran. The food was an issue, At the time I was living there I thought we were eating quiet healthy, but at the same time it was only 9 people total to cook for. You have to realise that cooking for 12+ players and staff, It's hard to prepare fish and salads for every meal, and it's nearly impossible to have "perfect amount" of food. If they cook to much then they lose money from throwing it out, If they don't cook enough players complain. It's a really rough balance. Even when the meals weren't that big, We had access to pieces of bread with various spreads, bowls of cereal at any time of the day, and other left overs if there are any. Once again the project and house is still new so give them time to work out the kinks. As for them owing Fuzer money, It does state that we are to pay for the entire month even if we leave half way through. They have to plan and buy/prepare for an entire month so to get a refund after they already spent the money planning on you living in the house, isn't really fair to ask for. It sucks Fuzer couldn't get a refund, especially since he didn't sign the contract yet, but at the same time MoW is a business and they have to plan around having the proper income to sustain the house. This was poorly handled all over, Mistakes were clearly made. Once again the project is new, I doubt they'll ever allow a player to move in before signing a contract. Overall my time in MoW was fantastic. We had a very well set schedule as far as eating/practising. We would eat the same time every day, and practice the same time every day. Matiz was a amazing coach, He was very helpful to help find us new builds and then finding us players to practice it with. The practice was regulated, It was up to the players to make sure it was efficient. He was there for assistance, He asked on a daily basis if anyone wanted help, And he would go out of his way to make sure we were taken care of. Same with the work out schedule, Me snute and Cyto were the only players who used the gym while we lived there, We didn't need a work out schedule. If you want to work out do it, If not practice. They can't hold your hand for everything. Even in a korean team house, The coach does what he can to guide you and make sure you're on track with practice, but if you're not playing efficiently then it's your own fault. So please lower your pitch forks. Once again the project is still new, Mistakes will be made and mistakes have been made. Was my entire experience perfect? No I had a few times of drama, but it was cleared up. Just try to see it from both sides, and remember this is still a business. Thanks ~~LgNkarmy | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:01 ragz_gt wrote: They didn't show him the contract a month ago though. He even said And then there is revision, and lawyer business. So I doubt they gave him sufficient time to react before the "take it or leave it" deal. Then it kind of goes back to "Why would you go to a random place in a foreign country without any legal agreement?" T_T | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:59 r.Evo wrote: If I tell you to "sign my fucking contract or leave my fucking house" you still have a choice. It's not nicely put but it's just the same. That's not forcing you to leave, that's insisting on you finally signing a contract that should have been signed a month ago. What kind of retarded moronic thought is that ? If i am asking you to show the contract to a lawyer, the fucking normal thing is hand a copy no questions asked and not pull a "deadline". I just think they wanted to kick Fuzer, that's why they pulled that crap, but since they were stupid enough to try it the shady way, instead of being proffesional.... shit like this happens. | ||
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Noispaxen
Poland150 Posts
On September 13 2012 09:01 Leijona wrote: Lol, just stop with the ridiculous 8hours a day streaming thing. Thats funny Did you even read what he wrote? | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 13 2012 05:45 Godwrath wrote: On poland ? Yes it is perfectly possible. You don't know how much living there costs. I do. You don't know how cheap food and rent is compared to other european/usa big cities. I do. That's why you should ask instead of pulling numbers from you country. If i did the same for example comparing it with Madrid, yeah 600€ is fucking cheap for a living, but that's to say the least, a retarded way of looking at it. I've already stated multiple times it was in response to a person from the U.S. that I responded to and I specifically stated that I was intentionally using U.S. comparisons. It was merely to reference people thinking such prices would be absurdly high. The point was to state, from his location of the U.S., it would not be absurdly high. Cost of living in Europe, on average, is also higher than cost of living in the United States. When reading the information I very well was discounting for the fact that cost of living in Poland is much cheaper, although as I admitted earlier, I had absolutely no idea it was a meager 1000 Euros per month. I assumed it was closer to 2000-2500. On September 13 2012 09:03 LgNkarmy wrote: As for them owing Fuzer money, It does state that we are to pay for the entire month even if we leave half way through. They have to plan and buy/prepare for an entire month so to get a refund after they already spent the money planning on you living in the house, isn't really fair to ask for. It sucks Fuzer couldn't get a refund, especially since he didn't sign the contract yet, but at the same time MoW is a business and they have to plan around having the proper income to sustain the house. This was poorly handled all over, Mistakes were clearly made. Once again the project is new, I doubt they'll ever allow a player to move in before signing a contract. If he never signed the contract he is not bound by that agreement. At the same time, if the MoW actually kicked him out, then that agreement for rent would not hold up regardless. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
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EliteSK
Korea (South)251 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:57 Godwrath wrote: He didn't want the money at that point (which was AFTER he decided to make it public). Geez, read the OP. lol didn't read the OP after the edits were added. That was my bad. | ||
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iG.Forever
Korea (South)148 Posts
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