Drama in MoW house. - Page 64

On September 13 2012 08:40 Sapphire.lux wrote:

This is the main point of it all i think. If the manager wasn't a dick and gave the money back when the player left the house, this would have been a non isue.

Contracts and recips are there for a reason, they protect people from scumbags without moral values. Fuzer was naive.

It is with great sadness and regret that we must ever part ways prematurely with a participant. We take the environment and the progression of each and every participant at MoW very seriously. The specific arrangements between a participant and the facility are kept strictly confidential and we have and will continue to make every effort to fulfill our obligations to both our participants and the greater community. We are grateful for your continued support as we continue our pursuit of genuine innovation, fueled by our shared passion and dedication for helping our participants achieve greatness. Thank you!

On September 13 2012 08:23 Eisregen wrote:
Stop it seriously...I try to study for my exam and now you guys decide to have a big drama thread...
So much more interesting than my studies... =)

On September 13 2012 08:51 desRow wrote:


Sjow recently left the house because of passport issues and wanted to come back in as soon as the passport issues were solved (2weeks).

On September 13 2012 08:53 schaf wrote:


go to sleep, every additional post from MoW, fuzer, destiny or desrow will just create 10 more pages of analyzing and flaming

On September 13 2012 08:36 phodacbiet wrote:
WELL, now that both side has released their statements, and both side offered us nothing but "my words vs his", now what? Should we still write to their sponsors? I mean honestly, with no further proof of anything, are you guys still going to make assumptions based on he said i said she said?

On September 13 2012 08:52 Fuzer wrote:
http://aijaa.com/u9ny6T
Updated first post.

On September 13 2012 08:46 CeriseCherries wrote:


so they are right that it isn't 4 hours a day

idk i just feel like it takes two to make a mess

On September 13 2012 08:50 Godwrath wrote:


I think you missquoted there

On September 13 2012 08:52 Woizit wrote:
You guys need to realise that offering the money after the issue came to light is actually the correct and logical response. What else do you want? An evil empire hogging the money against peasants even when they speak out?

On September 13 2012 08:51 indxrje wrote:
this is disgraceful i have emailed mows sponsor

On September 13 2012 08:50 Noobity wrote:
The vast majority, vast vast vast vast majority of posts in this thread are so ridiculous.

First of all this is he said-she said until we have documentation of everything. The only reason most of you are on Fuzer's side is because he came out and said something first. That doesn't make him right, simply means that he provided the first information.

Knowing full well the way MoW advertises on this site, I understand fully that their PR isn't stellar. It isn't bad, it's simply not good. That being said, yes things will be left out of statements. Does it mean they're being hidden? No. Why would they say anything at all about parties going on in the house if a) they didn't realize it was a problem at first and b) when it was brought up they ceased?

The posts of chat transcripts are all completely worthless excerpts of bits and pieces of a chat that are going to be dissected to support the position of whoever is posting them. "You owe me money!" "No we don't, I have no record of you paying us! you get nothing, see how things work when you don't do what's expected?!" could very well be the middle of a chat where "This place is a shithole and you are all a bunch of dickheads. You owe me money!" is followed by "No we don't, I have no record of you paying us! you get nothing, see how things work when you don't do what's expected?! We just want to resolve this issue, and I think if you sign the documents we can put the whole thing behind us and you can move back in. We'll even go over it with you face to face if you'd like." See how possible context can change entirely how the conversation flows?

Is there an issue with food? Maybe, that's something those with cooler heads would be better able to tell us.

Is the streaming schedule poor? Not in the least. If you're paying to live in a house that is designed specifically to be a video game training facility, you should be playing more than you would normally. 5 hours per day is really not a big deal, and don't give me that "you're not a pro-gamer, you don't know" bull either. 5 hours of ladder, or some ladder some analysis, or hell Ret could spend 5 hours teaching Pandi a couple builds and it would all be useful and probably fit their requirement. Look at a player like Destiny, who streams on average what, 6-8 hours a day? Does he practice off stream? Probably, probably a lot. Put in an 8 hour streaming day 5 days a week, take the weekends off from streaming. There are tons of ways to go about hitting this mark.

Maybe the creation of a team house for 10 years is a bit much, for instance my non-compete is 3 years, and that's for a multi-million dollar business, but how many of these players plan to create a team house? And even then, while the non-compete is there, I doubt MoW would pass up an opportunity to be a part of a team house possibly created by one of the players that got ideas from the Warsaw house (say Ret decides he wants to make a similar house in the netherlands. Speaking to the MoW guys, decide to make it "Ret's Ministry of Win Netherlands Branch and Team Liquid Headquarters" for instance would probably not be a problem in the slightest).

The thing to get out of this the most is that we're all speaking on stuff we don't know about entirely. This was an experimental house set up in the hopes of supporting and growing international eSports and you're taking it like they're this evil conglomerate out to fuck over one guy out of 600 euros.

MoW, step your PR game up, and be more open with stuff. Submit complete evidence showing that you acted reasonably and let the community decide what they'll believe at that point.

Fuzer, post more evidence before you go bashing anyone for anything, you haven't posted enough for logical thinkers to make an opinion either way.

Neither group is helping each other by putting forth these silly posts back and forth arguing on a public forum about the situation.

Finally, community: Calm the fuck down. How many times are we going to completely fucking overreact before we realize that it helps nobody.

On September 13 2012 08:50 Noobity wrote:
The vast majority, vast vast vast vast majority of posts in this thread are so ridiculous.

First of all this is he said-she said until we have documentation of everything. The only reason most of you are on Fuzer's side is because he came out and said something first. That doesn't make him right, simply means that he provided the first information.

Knowing full well the way MoW advertises on this site, I understand fully that their PR isn't stellar. It isn't bad, it's simply not good. That being said, yes things will be left out of statements. Does it mean they're being hidden? No. Why would they say anything at all about parties going on in the house if a) they didn't realize it was a problem at first and b) when it was brought up they ceased?

The posts of chat transcripts are all completely worthless excerpts of bits and pieces of a chat that are going to be dissected to support the position of whoever is posting them. "You owe me money!" "No we don't, I have no record of you paying us! you get nothing, see how things work when you don't do what's expected?!" could very well be the middle of a chat where "This place is a shithole and you are all a bunch of dickheads. You owe me money!" is followed by "No we don't, I have no record of you paying us! you get nothing, see how things work when you don't do what's expected?! We just want to resolve this issue, and I think if you sign the documents we can put the whole thing behind us and you can move back in. We'll even go over it with you face to face if you'd like." See how possible context can change entirely how the conversation flows?

Is there an issue with food? Maybe, that's something those with cooler heads would be better able to tell us.

Is the streaming schedule poor? Not in the least. If you're paying to live in a house that is designed specifically to be a video game training facility, you should be playing more than you would normally. 5 hours per day is really not a big deal, and don't give me that "you're not a pro-gamer, you don't know" bull either. 5 hours of ladder, or some ladder some analysis, or hell Ret could spend 5 hours teaching Pandi a couple builds and it would all be useful and probably fit their requirement. Look at a player like Destiny, who streams on average what, 6-8 hours a day? Does he practice off stream? Probably, probably a lot. Put in an 8 hour streaming day 5 days a week, take the weekends off from streaming. There are tons of ways to go about hitting this mark.

Maybe the creation of a team house for 10 years is a bit much, for instance my non-compete is 3 years, and that's for a multi-million dollar business, but how many of these players plan to create a team house? And even then, while the non-compete is there, I doubt MoW would pass up an opportunity to be a part of a team house possibly created by one of the players that got ideas from the Warsaw house (say Ret decides he wants to make a similar house in the netherlands. Speaking to the MoW guys, decide to make it "Ret's Ministry of Win Netherlands Branch and Team Liquid Headquarters" for instance would probably not be a problem in the slightest).

The thing to get out of this the most is that we're all speaking on stuff we don't know about entirely. This was an experimental house set up in the hopes of supporting and growing international eSports and you're taking it like they're this evil conglomerate out to fuck over one guy out of 600 euros.

MoW, step your PR game up, and be more open with stuff. Submit complete evidence showing that you acted reasonably and let the community decide what they'll believe at that point.

Fuzer, post more evidence before you go bashing anyone for anything, you haven't posted enough for logical thinkers to make an opinion either way.

Neither group is helping each other by putting forth these silly posts back and forth arguing on a public forum about the situation.

Finally, community: Calm the fuck down. How many times are we going to completely fucking overreact before we realize that it helps nobody.