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Stop derailing with living cost talk On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote: Press Release: http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012 Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com. - Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote: http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims - Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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Fuzer
Finland266 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:55 EliteSK wrote: wait what? This makes no sense. You post this because you've been wronged and want your money back and instead you decide to go to war? What? He offered money after I told that i publish this to prevent drama. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
oh yeah. A gaming community... @Noobity dude, you waste your time. For most here its just a wall of text in the middle of their nice drama-story. They dont want to be reasonable because that would destroy the drama and so the fun. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:42 tofucake wrote: He said he was willing to return the money and fuzer said he wanted war and didn't accept it... Yeah, but tofu it was in the words of the guy who owned the business. Money or war? That's very hostile and likewise Fuzer retailated. This is why you have to choose your words carefully in order to get the desired result. They were both looking for it. -_- That's what happens when two parties bent heads. It wasn't working so instead of taking the high road we're stuck with this crap. | ||
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Jarree
Finland1004 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:46 GuitarBizarre wrote: Stupidly biased reporting by ESFIWorld. Nice dodge, until MoW shot themselves in the foot by showing that it wasn't an offer, but a fucking THREAT. This a million times. ESFI article was a fucking joke. Why didn't they show the conversation in the article? Because it wasn't like they wrote. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:55 EliteSK wrote: wait what? This makes no sense. You post this because you've been wronged and want your money back and instead you decide to go to war? What? I think he doesnt want money shutting him up  | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10135 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:55 EliteSK wrote: wait what? This makes no sense. You post this because you've been wronged and want your money back and instead you decide to go to war? What? He didn't want the money at that point (which was AFTER he decided to make it public). Geez, read the OP. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:50 Noobity wrote: Is the streaming schedule poor? Not in the least. If you're paying to live in a house that is designed specifically to be a video game training facility, you should be playing more than you would normally. 5 hours per day is really not a big deal, and don't give me that "you're not a pro-gamer, you don't know" bull either. 5 hours of ladder, or some ladder some analysis, or hell Ret could spend 5 hours teaching Pandi a couple builds and it would all be useful and probably fit their requirement. Look at a player like Destiny, who streams on average what, 6-8 hours a day? Does he practice off stream? Probably, probably a lot. Put in an 8 hour streaming day 5 days a week, take the weekends off from streaming. There are tons of ways to go about hitting this mark. Are you kidding? Do you realize that Stream != training. It is actually the opposite a lot of the time, just ask Polt. Like you said, Destiny streams on average 6-8 hours a day, and where did that get him? Not better, that's for sure. I don't think it's fair for a facility to require Streaming quota for players who tries to train. What I think is completely wrong, is telling people they need to stream certain hour AFTER they already got there. This is what Fuzer claimed, and MoW did not refute in any way. | ||
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btx0
Germany184 Posts
Unless these things get cleared up I'd be surprised to see anyone joining MoW. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
Some hints: - You don't let someone live with you for 40 days without a written agreement, especially not if you want to take royalties, have secrecy, and force people to stream a certain amount of time. - You let people have their lawyer look over contracts. - There nothing wrong with streaming revenue royalties or minimum streaming requirements, or even non-compete clauses if you do something secret, but you let people know about this BEFOREHAND, not when they arrive with money, and certainly not several weeks into the deal. - 10 year non-compete clause for a training house is ridiculous and cannot possibly have any legal merit. How secret are those chore and practice schedules anyway? Furthermore when it comes to responding to allegations and doing damage control: - If you promise a statement in 2 hours provide it in 2 hours, not 4 hours. If you don't know how fast you can provide, then overestimate, say within a day, or better yet stay silent till you have something to say. - A press release should be professional, and contain pertinent information. The only fact in yours was "Someone left." It didn't even specify whether it was Fuzer. - You don't go crying and insulting the opposing party on message boards like a 13 year old. You stay to official channels, which pretty much means media and your press release. And when you release a chat log, release the whole thing, otherwise people are bound to wonder, even if nothing was hidden. This shit is ridiculous if people can't behave a least semi-professionally at least give us some good drama, not this old inept manager we have seen countless times (gus, blight, eclypsia, and now). We need rekrul to get back into this scene and show how to do a proper expose. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
then maybe this teaches you not to have an open TL window when trying to study. Not the best example myself, though... | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
How on earth can you show this as if it was "uncensored" or "within context"? The damn conversation starts with someone telling you that you just accused them of theft. Should show that part, too. Judging from your other responses I doubt it was as nicely put as the others party first statement. | ||
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enCore-
98 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:51 r.Evo wrote: Let's say I rent out rooms to people I meet online and out of the ten places I have available the demand is high enough that it's always full. Furthermore, it takes some time to set it up with new people and that's why I ask all of my customers to tell me a month in advance if they want to leave. Now a guy comes along who gives me a two month payment in advance, after a month and 5 days he tells me he won't sign my contract and would rather leave instead. My room will be most likely empty for the entire month because of set-up times and now that it's suddenly about his money he starts to care and threatens legal action because of something he already got but refused to sign a contract about? I'd probably make sure that I'm not telling this in written but "Oh, whoops, damn, I'd love to pay you your money back but sadly I can't find our signed contract - can you?" sounds like a likely and reasonable answer he'd get after causing a mess for all the time. Are both sides unprofessional and/or naive? Yeah, sure. Can I think of any similar situation where the guy would actually get his money back? (Think renting a place, a hotel room, a subscription) - Nope. And for good reasons. Incorrect. He was never given the choice to stay at the house, so it was not his wish to leave. I mean what kind of business refuses to give you a copy of the contract and won't even send it to your lawyer unless he sends you credentials first? It's ridiculous. | ||
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Noispaxen
Poland150 Posts
Lol, you just shot yourself in the foot. | ||
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Fuzer
Finland266 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:57 r.Evo wrote: How on earth can you show this as if it was "uncensored" or "within context"? The damn conversation starts with someone telling you that you just accused them of theft. Should show that part, too. Judging from your other responses I doubt it was as nicely put as the others party first statement. He posted first picture about it http://i.imgur.com/PFNQU.png , where was no censoring so i thought that he doesnt mind. And that happened after I told this to go public. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
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baikor
Bulgaria28 Posts
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:58 enCore- wrote: Incorrect. He was never given the choice to stay at the house, so it was not his wish to leave. I mean what kind of business refuses to give you a copy of the contract and won't even send it to your lawyer unless he sends you credentials first? It's ridiculous. If I tell you to "sign my fucking contract or leave my fucking house" you still have a choice. It's not nicely put but it's just the same. That's not forcing you to leave, that's insisting on you finally signing a contract that should have been signed a month ago. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:59 Noispaxen wrote: Lol, you just shot yourself in the foot. MoW already posted it, the way they talk in it isn't any better and not what you'd expect for a "company" that makes high demands on its customers | ||
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CodeskyE
United States777 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:55 EliteSK wrote: wait what? This makes no sense unless that skype log is for the money for the 3rd month and not including the portion of the second. You post this because you've been wronged and want your money back and instead you decide to go to war? That just sounds like you're being immature and get your money and get over it. the "boss" gave him an option to either get his money back or go to war. fuzer chose war. can you really blame him? i mean why does the boss even give an option to go to "war". | ||
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Leijona
Finland56 Posts
On September 13 2012 08:55 Irave wrote: I applaud Welmu's ability to do math. Though if the agreement was for 5 hours a day minimum it would say that. However you have the obligation to stream for 150 hours a month. I don't imagine its much of a stretch to think of the players playing the game for 8 hours a day. So if you turn the stream on during that time, you finish with over 11 days in the month, to do whatever. They partnered with twitch, so even previously non featured streamers would become featured. Which would enable them to profit off of commercials, while giving a % to MoW. Lol, just stop with the ridiculous 8hours a day streaming thing. Thats funny | ||
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