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Stop derailing with living cost talk On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote: Press Release: http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012 Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com. - Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00) On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote: http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims - Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:28 Fuzer wrote: Im not saying I readed it wrong. But because of these things I wanted my lawyer to see it... Can you clarify when you first received the contract? What did you agree on when you payed the money? | ||
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Iddyy
Poland6 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:22 mathemagician1986 wrote: if a dispute like this would go to court, would it be a Finnish or a Polish court? What if their laws are different, and aspects of the contract are illegal in one country but not in the other? Well asked my lawyer friend and let's start off that if you're offering a contract to a forigner it has to be translated to the signing persons native language. So in other words you need 2 copies of the contract one in The persons native language and the other in let's say English, otherwise in court this contract would not be valid. | ||
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BoB_KiLLeR
Spain620 Posts
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kvn4444
1510 Posts
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TsGBruzze
Sweden1190 Posts
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Jager
United Kingdom140 Posts
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:25 tribulator wrote: Destiny already clarified that... It's a non-competition clause for not running a team house for 10 years. You can live anywhere you please. Fuzer probably misunderstood due to English not being his first language. Considering that most video games don't even last half that long, I personally think it's a fairly unreasonable stipulation to ask for a decade of no coaching/establishing a house. | ||
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teaCher
Canada521 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:30 kvn4444 wrote: can't imagine ret or major or any other bigger name players going to or at the house already agreeing to that sort of contract. really 10 years is absurd and the conditions for practice seem less then ideal if what fuzer says is true. How will major survive with 3 meatballs a day? | ||
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mahO
France274 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:29 Iddyy wrote: Well asked my lawyer friend and let's start off that if you're offering a contract to a forigner it has to be translated to the signing persons native language. So in other words you need 2 copies of the contract one in The persons native language and the other in let's say English, otherwise in court this contract would not be valid. Thats interesting, and actually makes a shitload of sense, and it actually fucks MoW quite well. All good I guess | ||
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duncan.mc
United States231 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:22 Jochan wrote: And we have first clarification that it is fact 10 years, but in a different meaning. I wonder what else has been thrown as a number but in a different context. Let's wait. Nobody's reading OP correctly. He wrote And another thing that the contract said is that after you've been your time in the house, you're not allowed to establish your own house / be part of gaming house as a coach etc. for next 10 years. and everybody ELSE is only inferring that you can't stay at another house as a player within 10 yrs (Maybe the "etc" is causing the misunderstand. If so, I agree that it should've been stated more specifically without vague "etc"s). That part should probably be stickied because almost everyone isn't reading it correctly which automatically gives MoW a bad rep even if they might not deserve it. | ||
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FnaticNaama
Finland120 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:28 pallad wrote: Hahah and who act like kid..you gonna still accuse Boss and you dont even know that Fuzer story is true.. really adult way of thinking. GZ And why would Fuzer lie about this? | ||
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Fuzer
Finland266 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:29 hypercube wrote: Can you clarify when you first received the contract? What did you agree on when you payed the money? I got the contract first time after 3 weeks or something. We agreed that I come to the house and practice, I payed the first month when I arrived with cash, and second month after 3 weeks with cash. | ||
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Nisyax
Netherlands756 Posts
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Evaner
Italy94 Posts
It feels to me this whole situation was handled just very very poorly from both sides and i can see this only going downhill from that point on, sadly. | ||
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Isualin
Germany1903 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:31 duncan.mc wrote: Nobody's reading OP correctly. He wrote and everybody ELSE is only inferring that you can't stay at another house as a player within 10 yrs. That part should probably be stickied because almost everyone isn't reading it correctly which automatically gives MoW a bad rep even if they might not deserve it. the part people are talking about is this But the way they had worded the contract it would allow them to deny us from even joining other gaming houses as a player for next 10 years. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:32 Fuzer wrote: I got the contract first time after 3 weeks or something. We agreed that I come to the house and practice, I payed the first month when I arrived with cash, and second month after 3 weeks with cash. cash? jesus, that is shady, I wonder if MOW are paying tax or even declaring that cash | ||
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Intensity
53 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:32 Evaner wrote: I'm not taking anyone's side here. I was in the house for 2 months and some of the things Fuzer wrote are true but expressed extremely wrong. From an outsider who has no idea how the contract is exactly written nor any idea how the house actually works this sure looks really bad, i'm sure. It feels to me this whole situation was handled just very very poorly from both sides and i can see this going downhill from that point on, sadly. Having lived there, can you comment on the food situation? Are you allowed to have cars? Can you just go out and buy yourself food if you want? | ||
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Kasu
United Kingdom345 Posts
The whole thing - particularly the lack of clarity over the contract, regardless of whose responsibility it might be to check it - sounds utterly amateurish to me, but I guess we have to remember that we have only one side of the story. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On September 13 2012 04:15 Destiny wrote: The Boss guy looks like kind of a dick here, but honestly, a contract is a contract. When I was first contacted by MoW, my very first action was to request a contract and read through all of the fine terms. As for the "not allowed to stay at another house in 10 years," that's not true, you're just not allowed to start your own team house in 10 years. It's kind of strange, maybe, for the e-sports world, but that's a pretty standard non-competition clause from the business world. It's meant to protect businesses from revealing practices to an employee and then having that employee run off to start their own business to compete using everything they learned from that previous business. Not saying it's right or wrong in this circumstance, just giving some background. Yeah, there are some other clauses. Financial compensation they want, minimum number of stream hours, etc...etc...But to complain about all of these after the fact..? I can't understand why anyone would move to a house and not read the contract first, seems kind of strange. Secrets like how to get a mortgage, get internet, get a bunch of computers, make a video of the place, post it to a SC2 site. Proceed to charge people a usurious rate to live there, as well as a portion of their stream revenue, in order to pay said mortgage? Trade secrets? Really? Also, there's nothing standard about a non-competition clause with a timeline exceeding the length of the contract. Assuming a player lived in the house for a year, a non-competition clause cannot extend beyond that year. It's something put it to prevent people from breaking contracts and going to a competitor DURING their contract, not after it. I'm sure that there's another side to this story, and I'm very interested to see how the chat log that Fuzer posted is going to be explained. Bush League stuff regardless of who is in the right. | ||
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
So if Fuzer get's the same contract as Ret why would Fuzer complain then? If he want's a lawyer to take a look at it.. What's the problem? He want's to be sure that everything is at its place which is quite NORMAL. You don't sign anything that you are not 100% sure of.. It's just common sense. And like iNcontroL said in this thread i don't think that HotBid/TL let's ret sign something that doesn't let him join a team/gaming house for 10 years, that sounds just ridiculously stupid. Let's here the statement "of course" it will be good from their side of view. And Fuzer even posted a skype chat log, i hope MoW provides the same thing for us to clear the situation. I think it's really ballsy from Fuzer to make this public for people to see what's going on behind the scenes and what some new players are to expect in the future. I don't know if it's 100% true but i have a hard time thinking that Fuzer would make this public and just lie about it, maybe everything isn't 100% TRUE what he says or it might be? Or maybe it's just miss communication from both part? | ||
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