• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:06
CEST 14:06
KST 21:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers19Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1748 users

Drama in MoW house. - Page 13

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 114 Next
Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
September 12 2012 19:41 GMT
#241
On September 13 2012 04:37 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:31 FnaticNaama wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:28 pallad wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:26 teaCher wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:23 pallad wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:19 teaCher wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:18 pallad wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:15 NoGasfOu wrote:
Now we just need more players to come out and confirm, plus the name of the boss and his past and everything about him.


LOl you got some problems you know that ? , you wanna INVESTIGATION some person life , because some players write UNPROVED information.. ? go to doctor.. or something.


pallad is Boss, pretty sure, with that kind of english.


What other leanguage you speak or write ? english for sure , and another one ?
I just wonder if people like you gonna apology for the accusations the "boss" if this all is not true.. , or you just gonna go write shits in another topic ..


I ain't gonna apologize for anything kid, and ill continue to accuse Boss, till he comes out and says something. We don't need no official statement of BS, Boss should grow a pair of balls and explain why he did Fuzer that way.


Hahah and who act like kid..you gonna still accuse Boss and you dont even know that Fuzer story is true.. really adult way of thinking. GZ


And why would Fuzer lie about this?


I dont say he lie. We dont know shit.. for now.. but Destiny already read the contract and he say or write THAT YOU CAN GO TO ANOTHER house , but you cant open your own house and coach there other people for 10 years.

Maby fuzer read bad or i dont know what.. , but this is first point where Fuzers post is wrong or he lie.

Isn't that based on the assumption that all of their contracts are very similar/clones? As many people have stated, depending on who you are, your contract may be different from others.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 12 2012 19:41 GMT
#242
On September 13 2012 04:34 Zorkmid wrote:
Also, there's nothing standard about a non-competition clause with a timeline exceeding the length of the contract. Assuming a player lived in the house for a year, a non-competition clause cannot extend beyond that year. It's something put it to prevent people from breaking contracts and going to a competitor DURING their contract, not after it.


I think this whole situation sucks but just wanted to point out that you obviously know nothing about non-compete clauses, MANY do exist after the length of the contract, it's a pretty regular thing.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
dellesh1ruH
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark509 Posts
September 12 2012 19:41 GMT
#243
Wow, sounds awful.
Pain is temporary, Glory is forever!
SilSol
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden2744 Posts
September 12 2012 19:42 GMT
#244
On September 13 2012 04:39 SjoW wrote:
This makes me wanna reconsider joining mow...

Hope this wont happen more since mow is a really great place to be right now with lots of good players and great enviorment to improve


Well SjoW if you consider joining MoW. Just check the contract really well before signing which i think you will do. And make sure that it's all legal. Like Fuzer did perhaps let a lawyer check it for you? And see the respond from MoW what they think about it. Because if they hide something it's good that it gets out to the public.
http://fragbite.se/user/117868/silsol since 2006 http://www.reddit.com/u/silsol77
Toyman69
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada100 Posts
September 12 2012 19:42 GMT
#245
If its true that MoW gets money from them streaming while having to pay rent. I'm boycotting all their streams, this is just digusting
Lee Jaedong fighting!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 12 2012 19:43 GMT
#246
On September 13 2012 04:39 SjoW wrote:
This makes me wanna reconsider joining mow...

Hope this wont happen more since mow is a really great place to be right now with lots of good players and great enviorment to improve


SjoW the key here is ask for them to mail you a copy of the contract first so you can review it and ask them any questions with regards to it first.

Make sure everything is perfectly clear.
MrToastPony
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden1 Post
September 12 2012 19:43 GMT
#247
Well, sounds like a bad house :/
BROFESTER HITSQUAD!
Jager
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom140 Posts
September 12 2012 19:43 GMT
#248
None of it would hold up in court, so can everyone please stop getting wound up over it
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
September 12 2012 19:43 GMT
#249
I think fuzer was shown the contract like 1 month after his stay and he never got a copy of it, because they were only willing to give it to lawyer who would first have to proof that he is lawyer. And then they just said "sign it or get out" before any lawyer could see it. And obviously they should have mentioned this 150hours streaming shit before he joined the house and if they say they that 600euros includes food, it should mean recommended daily intake which is ~2000 kilo calories.
Ippo
Profile Joined November 2010
708 Posts
September 12 2012 19:43 GMT
#250
complaining about not having 2 hot meals a day. in what country do you eat 2 hot meals a day? finland? haha
Destiny
Profile Joined May 2009
United States280 Posts
September 12 2012 19:44 GMT
#251
On September 13 2012 04:20 Mackus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:15 Destiny wrote:
The Boss guy looks like kind of a dick here, but honestly, a contract is a contract.

When I was first contacted by MoW, my very first action was to request a contract and read through all of the fine terms.

As for the "not allowed to stay at another house in 10 years," that's not true, you're just not allowed to start your own team house in 10 years. It's kind of strange, maybe, for the e-sports world, but that's a pretty standard non-competition clause from the business world. It's meant to protect businesses from revealing practices to an employee and then having that employee run off to start their own business to compete using everything they learned from that previous business. Not saying it's right or wrong in this circumstance, just giving some background.

Yeah, there are some other clauses. Financial compensation they want, minimum number of stream hours, etc...etc...But to complain about all of these after the fact..? I can't understand why anyone would move to a house and not read the contract first, seems kind of strange.


You're missing the important part where he's paid a months rent without signing a contract and has been asked to leave.

This is going to sound incredibly dickish, and it definitely doesn't excuse MoW from acting dickish, but there's nothing to keep them from keeping the money.

You never, ever, ever, ever, ever give someone money without signing a contract first or at least asking for a receipt.
To achieve perfection is to sacrifice growth.
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
September 12 2012 19:44 GMT
#252
On September 13 2012 04:42 Toyman69 wrote:
If its true that MoW gets money from them streaming while having to pay rent. I'm boycotting all their streams, this is just digusting

This rubs me the wrong way too. It's like asking for tips when service charge was already included in the bill.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
September 12 2012 19:44 GMT
#253
On September 13 2012 04:41 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:34 Zorkmid wrote:
Also, there's nothing standard about a non-competition clause with a timeline exceeding the length of the contract. Assuming a player lived in the house for a year, a non-competition clause cannot extend beyond that year. It's something put it to prevent people from breaking contracts and going to a competitor DURING their contract, not after it.


I think this whole situation sucks but just wanted to point out that you obviously know nothing about non-compete clauses, MANY do exist after the length of the contract, it's a pretty regular thing.


Show me one.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
September 12 2012 19:44 GMT
#254
On September 13 2012 04:32 Fuzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:29 hypercube wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:28 Fuzer wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:25 tribulator wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:24 CoR wrote:
On September 13 2012 03:43 seanisgrand wrote:
Can't be a part of another gaming house for 10 years... what the hell haha.


thats the best thing on it ^^


Destiny already clarified that... It's a non-competition clause for not running a team house for 10 years. You can live anywhere you please. Fuzer probably misunderstood due to English not being his first language.


Im not saying I readed it wrong. But because of these things I wanted my lawyer to see it...


Can you clarify when you first received the contract? What did you agree on when you payed the money?


I got the contract first time after 3 weeks or something.
We agreed that I come to the house and practice, I payed the first month when I arrived with cash, and second month after 3 weeks with cash.


Sorry, I'm not sure I understand the timeline.

You arrived in Poland and payed the first month.
Three weeks after that you payed the seconds month.
Around this time you received the contract for signing. (Q: When exactly? Before or after paying for the second month? If before, how much before?)
One week into the second month you were kicked out of the house? (Q2: I'm not sure I'm getting this right, but 2 weeks passed between you getting the contract and Boss telling you you had to leave? That sounds like a lot of time.
Q3: How much time did Boss give you to leave? Was it a day, a week or did he give you a time when he handed you the contract?)
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 12 2012 19:44 GMT
#255
On September 13 2012 04:41 Xcobidoo wrote:
Wait so if Ret has signed, then he can't go to any liquidhouse etc.? Ouch :/


Fuzer make mistake in post , dont knowing that or...

You can go to another house.., YOU CANT OPEN OWN house and coach people there. This is in conbtract , not that you cant go to another house.
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
Torrathyr
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada95 Posts
September 12 2012 19:44 GMT
#256
On September 13 2012 04:32 Fuzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:29 hypercube wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:28 Fuzer wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:25 tribulator wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:24 CoR wrote:
On September 13 2012 03:43 seanisgrand wrote:
Can't be a part of another gaming house for 10 years... what the hell haha.


thats the best thing on it ^^


Destiny already clarified that... It's a non-competition clause for not running a team house for 10 years. You can live anywhere you please. Fuzer probably misunderstood due to English not being his first language.


Im not saying I readed it wrong. But because of these things I wanted my lawyer to see it...


Can you clarify when you first received the contract? What did you agree on when you payed the money?


I got the contract first time after 3 weeks or something.
We agreed that I come to the house and practice, I payed the first month when I arrived with cash, and second month after 3 weeks with cash.

So you were there for almost 2 months?
The plot thickens!
Talent < Skill < Practice < Dedication
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
September 12 2012 19:44 GMT
#257
On September 13 2012 04:41 QNdie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:07 teaCher wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:05 pallad wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:03 S_SienZ wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:00 pallad wrote:
One side... everyone says that House is superb and everyone love it ...


And at othger side one players say shit like this.. , who to belive ?

Perfectly possible for the house (as in the building) to be amazing but the boss behind it to be an unreasonable unprofessional douche.


And from where you know that ? You met him ? , or you just read one post here..?


One post here is all we need to see the true colors of Boss. Why not treat everyplayer paying him 600 EUro to stay there, with the same respect? Instead they rip of Fuzer, don't feed him and try to take advantage of him. I always knew eastern Europeans were shady


That's really fucking offensive. MoW is a company, a shady company maybe, there are many organisations who take advantage of people and situations in bad ways, but this has nothing to do with nationality. Lol, and people in the so called "west" are supposed to be "tolerant" and against stuff like "racism"


I agree it's offensive and he's a dick for saying it, but don't generalise "the west" based of one guy like you shouldn't generalise "eastern europe" based on one group.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
September 12 2012 19:44 GMT
#258
On top of this, 10 years is an insanely long time even for a business contract designed to prevent instant future competitors. Yeah, these kinds of clauses are often included, but ten years is an extremely long time. Theoretically we'll be years into Legacy of the Void by then and who knows how esports or SC2 as an esport will even be thriving. 3 years might be a reasonable request, 10 years in the world of esports is saying you'd better hope this grows bigger or as big as BW if you ever want to start a pro-house or coach in one after coming here.

torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
September 12 2012 19:44 GMT
#259
On September 13 2012 04:43 Jager wrote:
None of it would hold up in court, so can everyone please stop getting wound up over it


Why the hell you keep telling that. Don't you know every country has it's own law?
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Happystreet
Profile Joined January 2011
550 Posts
September 12 2012 19:45 GMT
#260
Really? What a joke. And that 10 year rule. Obnoxious.
MKP | Jinro | Thorzain | Flash | Bomber | Amaz
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 114 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
11:00
Playoffs Day 4
MaxPax vs SHIN
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV917
Ryung 780
IntoTheiNu 578
TKL 389
IndyStarCraft 185
Rex111
3DClanTV 80
Liquipedia
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #129 (TLMC 22 Edition)
ByuN vs NightMare
CranKy Ducklings84
StrangeGG70
CranKy Ducklings SOOP43
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 780
TKL 389
IndyStarCraft 185
Rex 111
SortOf 94
Railgan 68
MindelVK 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 44350
Calm 6025
Horang2 1902
Jaedong 1098
EffOrt 458
BeSt 369
Mini 284
actioN 260
Last 232
Pusan 232
[ Show more ]
Light 216
Hyun 187
ZerO 145
ggaemo 116
Soulkey 86
Sharp 42
Sexy 32
HiyA 31
Shinee 27
Shine 25
Killer 16
Sacsri 16
JulyZerg 15
IntoTheRainbow 14
Hm[arnc] 13
GoRush 10
SilentControl 9
Noble 9
NotJumperer 1
Dota 2
Gorgc4628
XaKoH 583
XcaliburYe123
BananaSlamJamma114
Counter-Strike
byalli772
x6flipin511
allub433
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King62
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor370
Other Games
singsing1818
B2W.Neo944
Mlord418
DeMusliM281
Pyrionflax195
RotterdaM141
ZerO(Twitch)13
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream18583
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 31
• iopq 10
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1618
League of Legends
• Jankos1832
• TFBlade1018
Upcoming Events
Ladder Legends
2h 54m
Solar vs GgMaChine
Bunny vs Cham
ByuN vs MaxPax
BSL
6h 54m
CranKy Ducklings
11h 54m
Replay Cast
20h 54m
Wardi Open
21h 54m
Afreeca Starleague
21h 54m
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 21h
Leta vs YSC
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Escore
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
IPSL
6 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.