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Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
September 12 2012 19:23 GMT
#181
On September 13 2012 04:19 brainox wrote:
Don't you normally read contract, sign it then pay and Then move to the house?


Indeed that's what i've been wondering aswell.
Hermetis Vögelein ist mein Nahm verlahs meine Flügel und werde zahm.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 12 2012 19:23 GMT
#182
On September 13 2012 04:19 teaCher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:18 pallad wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:15 NoGasfOu wrote:
Now we just need more players to come out and confirm, plus the name of the boss and his past and everything about him.


LOl you got some problems you know that ? , you wanna INVESTIGATION some person life , because some players write UNPROVED information.. ? go to doctor.. or something.


pallad is Boss, pretty sure, with that kind of english.


What other leanguage you speak or write ? english for sure , and another one ?
I just wonder if people like you gonna apology for the accusations the "boss" if this all is not true.. , or you just gonna go write shits in another topic ..
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 12 2012 19:24 GMT
#183
On September 13 2012 04:21 teaCher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:20 Mackus wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:15 Destiny wrote:
The Boss guy looks like kind of a dick here, but honestly, a contract is a contract.

When I was first contacted by MoW, my very first action was to request a contract and read through all of the fine terms.

As for the "not allowed to stay at another house in 10 years," that's not true, you're just not allowed to start your own team house in 10 years. It's kind of strange, maybe, for the e-sports world, but that's a pretty standard non-competition clause from the business world. It's meant to protect businesses from revealing practices to an employee and then having that employee run off to start their own business to compete using everything they learned from that previous business. Not saying it's right or wrong in this circumstance, just giving some background.

Yeah, there are some other clauses. Financial compensation they want, minimum number of stream hours, etc...etc...But to complain about all of these after the fact..? I can't understand why anyone would move to a house and not read the contract first, seems kind of strange.


You're missing the important part where he's paid a months rent without signing a contract and has been asked to leave.


BBOOOOM!!! Why did they make him pay before any contract was signed?


The whole thing stinks. Why would they threaten to kick him out even though he's paid them for this month's rent? They obviously wanted to force him into signing the contract without legal consultation. 2 hours to release a statement? Sounds like they need time to backtrack and cover their asses....
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
September 12 2012 19:24 GMT
#184
On September 13 2012 03:43 seanisgrand wrote:
Can't be a part of another gaming house for 10 years... what the hell haha.


thats the best thing on it ^^
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
BongChambers
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada591 Posts
September 12 2012 19:24 GMT
#185
It really seams like Starcraft or rather "esports" and drama go hand in hand like peanut butter and jam.

I love peanut butter and jam.

Hate drama and anything else that follows it.

Welcome to life I guess... T_T
420
KholdBloodeD
Profile Joined March 2012
United States11 Posts
September 12 2012 19:25 GMT
#186
Remember that we are all just speculating on what we have heard from other people, so don't go too crazy...
ToAn8
Profile Joined February 2012
52 Posts
September 12 2012 19:25 GMT
#187
On September 13 2012 03:45 Grampz wrote:
Wow lol no food? That is very very bad


Maybe good for someone... someone that has newly arrived to the house...
mahO
Profile Joined April 2011
France274 Posts
September 12 2012 19:25 GMT
#188
On September 13 2012 04:21 teaCher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:20 Mackus wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:15 Destiny wrote:
The Boss guy looks like kind of a dick here, but honestly, a contract is a contract.

When I was first contacted by MoW, my very first action was to request a contract and read through all of the fine terms.

As for the "not allowed to stay at another house in 10 years," that's not true, you're just not allowed to start your own team house in 10 years. It's kind of strange, maybe, for the e-sports world, but that's a pretty standard non-competition clause from the business world. It's meant to protect businesses from revealing practices to an employee and then having that employee run off to start their own business to compete using everything they learned from that previous business. Not saying it's right or wrong in this circumstance, just giving some background.

Yeah, there are some other clauses. Financial compensation they want, minimum number of stream hours, etc...etc...But to complain about all of these after the fact..? I can't understand why anyone would move to a house and not read the contract first, seems kind of strange.


You're missing the important part where he's paid a months rent without signing a contract and has been asked to leave.


BBOOOOM!!! Why did they make him pay before any contract was signed?



BOOOOOOOM, Because he ate, slept, and played in the house, BOOOOOOM
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
September 12 2012 19:25 GMT
#189
On September 13 2012 04:15 Destiny wrote:
The Boss guy looks like kind of a dick here, but honestly, a contract is a contract.

When I was first contacted by MoW, my very first action was to request a contract and read through all of the fine terms.

As for the "not allowed to stay at another house in 10 years," that's not true, you're just not allowed to start your own team house in 10 years. It's kind of strange, maybe, for the e-sports world, but that's a pretty standard non-competition clause from the business world. It's meant to protect businesses from revealing practices to an employee and then having that employee run off to start their own business to compete using everything they learned from that previous business. Not saying it's right or wrong in this circumstance, just giving some background.

Yeah, there are some other clauses. Financial compensation they want, minimum number of stream hours, etc...etc...But to complain about all of these after the fact..? I can't understand why anyone would move to a house and not read the contract first, seems kind of strange.


The big question for me is when did fuzer receive the contract. IMO it's unreasonable for him to expect these things to be in the contract, so kicking him out on short notice and withholding his money is unfair.

If "boss" accepted the 2500 zloty from fuzer that already constitutes some kind of contract in most jurisdictions. The terms of the contract is whatever was discussed verbally between them before fuzer moved in. If "boss" wants a new contract he should start by giving the money back.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 12 2012 19:25 GMT
#190
On September 13 2012 04:21 Perfi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:19 teaCher wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:18 pallad wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:15 NoGasfOu wrote:
Now we just need more players to come out and confirm, plus the name of the boss and his past and everything about him.


LOl you got some problems you know that ? , you wanna INVESTIGATION some person life , because some players write UNPROVED information.. ? go to doctor.. or something.


pallad is Boss, pretty sure, with that kind of english.

Nah, we Poles tend to have tremendously varied levels of aptitude in English. By that logic, like half the people in Poland are Boss.

WE KNOW YOU'RE BOSS DON'T THINK YOU HAVE FOOLED ME PERFI OR SHOULD I SAY MOW BOSS!
Glorious SEA doto
Elenar
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden137 Posts
September 12 2012 19:25 GMT
#191
On September 13 2012 04:22 mathemagician1986 wrote:
if a dispute like this would go to court, would it be a Finnish or a Polish court? What if their laws are different, and aspects of the contract are illegal in one country but not in the other?



Probably its listed in the contract, its kinda common. If not specified probably Poland if its anywhere nere Swedish law.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
September 12 2012 19:25 GMT
#192
10 years? wtf that is the most retarded shit i've ever heard. Did liquid read the contract before Ret joined? If so, how are they putting up with this kind of shit?
Long live the Boss Toss!
tribulator
Profile Joined February 2011
774 Posts
September 12 2012 19:25 GMT
#193
On September 13 2012 04:24 CoR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 03:43 seanisgrand wrote:
Can't be a part of another gaming house for 10 years... what the hell haha.


thats the best thing on it ^^


Destiny already clarified that... It's a non-competition clause for not running a team house for 10 years. You can live anywhere you please. Fuzer probably misunderstood due to English not being his first language.
teaCher
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada521 Posts
September 12 2012 19:26 GMT
#194
On September 13 2012 04:23 pallad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:19 teaCher wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:18 pallad wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:15 NoGasfOu wrote:
Now we just need more players to come out and confirm, plus the name of the boss and his past and everything about him.


LOl you got some problems you know that ? , you wanna INVESTIGATION some person life , because some players write UNPROVED information.. ? go to doctor.. or something.


pallad is Boss, pretty sure, with that kind of english.


What other leanguage you speak or write ? english for sure , and another one ?
I just wonder if people like you gonna apology for the accusations the "boss" if this all is not true.. , or you just gonna go write shits in another topic ..


I ain't gonna apologize for anything kid, and ill continue to accuse Boss, till he comes out and says something. We don't need no official statement of BS, Boss should grow a pair of balls and explain why he did Fuzer that way.
Follow me @H2O_teaCher ..... www.pmsclan.com
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
September 12 2012 19:26 GMT
#195
Paying money up front before signing a contract is never, ever a good thing.
Stay a while and listen || http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=354018
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
September 12 2012 19:27 GMT
#196
^but "only one hot" meal a day is pretty normal isnt it ? i am 26 and never had 2 warm meals a day XD cereals morning then lunch and bread for evening but you need to have good and enough lunch (its importent to be 100% to eat good not just fries ^^)
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Fuzer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Finland266 Posts
September 12 2012 19:28 GMT
#197
On September 13 2012 04:25 tribulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:24 CoR wrote:
On September 13 2012 03:43 seanisgrand wrote:
Can't be a part of another gaming house for 10 years... what the hell haha.


thats the best thing on it ^^


Destiny already clarified that... It's a non-competition clause for not running a team house for 10 years. You can live anywhere you please. Fuzer probably misunderstood due to English not being his first language.


Im not saying I readed it wrong. But because of these things I wanted my lawyer to see it...
sOOnMaNiAc
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany57 Posts
September 12 2012 19:28 GMT
#198
im sorry for fuzer but to be honest... good job samuli that u are revealing such things for us !

last but not least i gotta say: " well done MoW manager you just destroyed your whole image of your "company"
Torrathyr
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada95 Posts
September 12 2012 19:28 GMT
#199
On September 13 2012 04:15 Destiny wrote:
The Boss guy looks like kind of a dick here, but honestly, a contract is a contract.

When I was first contacted by MoW, my very first action was to request a contract and read through all of the fine terms.

As for the "not allowed to stay at another house in 10 years," that's not true, you're just not allowed to start your own team house in 10 years. It's kind of strange, maybe, for the e-sports world, but that's a pretty standard non-competition clause from the business world. It's meant to protect businesses from revealing practices to an employee and then having that employee run off to start their own business to compete using everything they learned from that previous business. Not saying it's right or wrong in this circumstance, just giving some background.

Yeah, there are some other clauses. Financial compensation they want, minimum number of stream hours, etc...etc...But to complain about all of these after the fact..? I can't understand why anyone would move to a house and not read the contract first, seems kind of strange.

I don't understand why you'd ask for the contract when you arrive when you should ask for the contract before you go. Maybe Fuzer wasn't aware of the contract? He said english is not his native language so he may not have known a contract was involved at all (I don't know what Fuzer was thinking). So yeah, I agree with you there, it does seem strange.

I don't get how "you're not allowed to establish your own house / be part of gaming house as a coach etc. for next 10 years" got turned into "you're not allowed to go to any gaming house", that is just misinformation making its way into the discussion. Destiny is right, that is just good business. Fuzer could sign this contract and join a gaming house, but he can't be a coach.

I guess all any of us can do right now, is wait for MoW's official statement.
Hopefully it can shed some light on this situation for better or for worse.
Talent < Skill < Practice < Dedication
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 12 2012 19:28 GMT
#200
On September 13 2012 04:26 teaCher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 04:23 pallad wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:19 teaCher wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:18 pallad wrote:
On September 13 2012 04:15 NoGasfOu wrote:
Now we just need more players to come out and confirm, plus the name of the boss and his past and everything about him.


LOl you got some problems you know that ? , you wanna INVESTIGATION some person life , because some players write UNPROVED information.. ? go to doctor.. or something.


pallad is Boss, pretty sure, with that kind of english.


What other leanguage you speak or write ? english for sure , and another one ?
I just wonder if people like you gonna apology for the accusations the "boss" if this all is not true.. , or you just gonna go write shits in another topic ..


I ain't gonna apologize for anything kid, and ill continue to accuse Boss, till he comes out and says something. We don't need no official statement of BS, Boss should grow a pair of balls and explain why he did Fuzer that way.


Hahah and who act like kid..you gonna still accuse Boss and you dont even know that Fuzer story is true.. really adult way of thinking. GZ
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