EPTSituation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim - Page 24
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Spiner
United States360 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:08 Zealot Lord wrote: I suspect its because there needs to be too large scale of a change to fix the lategame issues - and thus it likely will be addressed through HOTS. Something like making Brood Lords 6 supply instead of 4 (which is kind of ridiculous) is worth considering still. | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On September 01 2012 08:56 Yorbon wrote: And i can say you are missing the point big time. Post hoc ergo propter hoc as well as not seeing the difference between a somewhat (temporarily) balanced game with undesirable strategies and a somewhat (temporarily) imbalanced game with desirable strategies. The first example needs to be removed, the second can even out (and that's what happening atm, imo). most of the things i see blizzard do, make sense for me. (biggest exception is fungal in general) On what planet is anything about the way TvZ plays out now desirable? If anything, what we have now is a mix of the two scenarios you put forth. It's a (maybe temporarily) imbalanced game with undesirable strategies (utterly stagnant nr20 races to a-move hive tech armies with fungal support vs feast or famine raven play - similar to the vortex situation in PvZ). Prior to the patch, we had a matchup where the win rates were starting to look pretty consistently good and the matchup itself was much loved by the community. Blizzard then decided to impose a new balance change aimed at helping lower league players who were bad at defending, and the effect on high level and pro play was and continues to be disastrous. Even if the numbers stabilize, what we have now is very much undesirable. | ||
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-TesteR-
Canada1165 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:11 ZAiNs wrote: Something like making Brood Lords 6 supply instead of 4 (which is kind of ridiculous) is worth considering still. wait... Broods are really only 4 supply? 6 supply could fix broods indeed. I'm just imagining a 4 supply colossus... But broods cost a lot, maybe reduce cost, increase supply. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
Terran has problems vs Zerg = lets let the game evolve | ||
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Spiner
United States360 Posts
Those same "f-ing foreigners at IEM" managed to beat a few of the Koreans too. fOrGG lost to Vortix 3-0, for example.... Thats retarded he even lost to vortix when he practices like 3x as much. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:08 Zealot Lord wrote: I suspect its because there needs to be too large scale of a change to fix the lategame issues - and thus it likely will be addressed through HOTS. Yup this. PvZ isn't broken, just incredibly boring. There is no way that I can see that changing in WoL, hopefully hots can but we shall have to wait and see for that one. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10108 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:22 Spiner wrote: Thats retarded he even lost to vortix when he practices like 3x as much. Did you watch those games ? forGG just played worse than Vortix. Vortix vs Supernova. THAT was painful to watch. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10108 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:20 Pulimuli wrote: So... Zerg has problems vs Terran = nerf the shit outa Terran while buffing Zerg and bring more macro oriented maps. Terran has problems vs Zerg = lets let the game evolve Fixed | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:22 Spiner wrote: Thats retarded he even lost to vortix when he practices like 3x as much. I really can't comment on TVZ issues as I don't play either race and play P at a low level. But, this example is wrong. I watched those games. FOrGG played badly. He deserved to lose. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:30 aZealot wrote: I really can't comment on TVZ issues as I don't play either race and play P at a low level. But, this example is wrong. I watched those games. FOrGG played badly. He deserved to lose. Well damn, must be a balanced match up then. | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong744 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:24 blade55555 wrote: Yup this. PvZ isn't broken, just incredibly boring. There is no way that I can see that changing in WoL, hopefully hots can but we shall have to wait and see for that one. Yeah.. I'm pretty sure the tempest range 22 thing is for this purpose personally, so you won't have the zerg slowly advancing through a wall of spines along with their infestor/broodlord. | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6217 Posts
Double standards, bro. | ||
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LRObot
United States153 Posts
Yeah, let's wait until the end of time to see if Terran can adapt to the metagame, but for Zerg? NERF EVERYTHING TERRAN IMMEDIATELY. | ||
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StrafedProtoss
United States16 Posts
Would you rather it be balanced at a level of play that isn't using the current units/unit abilitys to their full potential? I mean seriously people i would love a few things changed as well but they just dont make sense. He truly is clueless. Mvp and Bomber beat some fucking foreigners at IEM and it proves TvZ is balanced? What a joke. u mad bro?User was warned for this post | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:11 ZAiNs wrote: Something like making Brood Lords 6 supply instead of 4 (which is kind of ridiculous) is worth considering still. BLs are 4 supply? Wow! They are godly units and should be changed to 6 soon. I can't even imagine how to beat spread out BLs in PvZ late game. Even the pros can typically only do it with a Mothership Vortex and when the BLs/Infestors/Corruptors are all clumped up. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:48 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: BLs are 4 supply? Wow! They are godly units and should be changed to 6 soon. I can't even imagine how to beat spread out BLs in PvZ late game. Even the pros can typically only do it with a Mothership Vortex and when the BLs/Infestors/Corruptors are all clumped up. I'm dumb nevermind, because I think after you use up the corruptor it only costs a total of 4 supply | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6217 Posts
On September 01 2012 09:11 ZAiNs wrote: Something like making Brood Lords 6 supply instead of 4 (which is kind of ridiculous) is worth considering still. Broods are 4 supply? What. Holy crapballs. What. TIL Z OP. EDIT: On September 01 2012 09:52 KrazyTrumpet wrote: they ARE 6 supply...2 for the corruptor, 4 for the BL morph Ooooh. | ||
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SmokeMonster
Canada72 Posts
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