Nvm, it goes September/August with the Finals on 27th August! I am excited to see the BW "God" Jaedong play, never saw him just know his name:/ Definately going to be interesting. (Don't have a BW background, just a bit playing WC3)
Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
On August 30 2012 18:09 Syntaxs wrote: When does GSL4 start? I am off work the whole september and I'd love to see the worshiped Jaedong play. Going to be interesting if I can. (Don't have a BW background, just a bit playing WC3)
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
On August 30 2012 18:09 Syntaxs wrote: Nvm, it goes September/August with the Finals on 27th August! I am excited to see the BW "God" Jaedong play, never saw him just know his name:/ Definately going to be interesting. (Don't have a BW background, just a bit playing WC3)
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
I had to look back to the OP to figure out who "Bison" is.
On August 30 2012 18:13 Nawe wrote: Is flash that bad when they never award him seeds?
flash is not as good in sc2 as these guys.
but apart from ace matches JD never did well in PL for sc2. Roro is code S quality for sure though so i definitely think he will make code S this season easily.
On August 30 2012 18:13 Nawe wrote: Is flash that bad when they never award him seeds?
He isn't that bad . I feel they should have given Flash or Stats a seed to have one of each team or give just the 2 code S seeds and see who will make it through the qualifiers .
On August 30 2012 18:13 Weirdkid wrote: Ahh sad for Roro. To be fair though, Jaedong seems to be doing well in SPL.
Jaedong was 10-9 in Proleague for SC2. He was actually pretty average.
Oh yea true. I was thinking 15-13 which was his overall score. Maybe they chose based on ace match performance haha. Jaedong with 6-3 and Rain with 7-3.
This is exciting. The cool part is that when they give the Code S seeds they guarantee at least Code S matches and at least Code A or Up and Down Matches if they lose. hopefully JD can tear some up. Woot!
Yeah I would totally see Flash decline a seed. Mr. Humble himself probably feel that he isn't good enough at all. Just full focus on the OSL as of now and if he gets knocked out he he can bounce back and be supergOsu when the next leagues are starting. I approve this.
I feel like RorO got robbed tho, not because Jaedong is bad or anything but RorO's results are speaking for themselfs. But we all know GOM has to do this and take Jaedong instead because of his massive support. It's just like when they give seeds to people like IdrA so alot of people will tune in.
It's kind of sad but really understandable that jaedong got seeded for code S over roro, in terms of skill at the moment it should have easily been roro but I guess GOM's got to think business wise and jaedong's much better for business than roro. Also surprised no reality there they could have at least put in one terran for this season of code A.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
this, totally unfair.
Umm, no, not totally unfair? If they were just doing it on personality they could have invited Flash and Oov to Code S. I'm sure that would give them a lot more attention. They've done it because they think those are the best players. Kespa actually has no incentive to do it based on popularity because they should reserve the more popular players for their own leagues (OSL and SPL). I doubt this has anything to do with popularity.
On August 30 2012 18:16 TheOneAboveU wrote: Hmm surprised Reality is not one of the seeds.
This!! Reality with Rain an RorO impressed me the most through WCS! And RorO deserves a CodeS-Seed more than JD! But who knows what GOM has in mind or was planning with the players.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
this, totally unfair.
Umm, no, not totally unfair? If they were just doing it on personality they could have invited Flash and Oov to Code S. I'm sure that would give them a lot more attention. They've done it because they think those are the best players. Kespa actually has no incentive to do it based on popularity because they should reserve the more popular players for their own leagues (OSL and SPL). I doubt this has anything to do with popularity.
Roro is undisputably currently more accompolished in SC2 than Jaedong. Why is JD in Code S and Roro in Code A?
Also, if you think any SC2 tournament in the world wouldn't die to have Jaedong or Bisu play in it, I'm fairly sure you are mistaken. These guys have a lot of fans.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
this, totally unfair.
Umm, no, not totally unfair? If they were just doing it on personality they could have invited Flash and Oov to Code S. I'm sure that would give them a lot more attention. They've done it because they think those are the best players. Kespa actually has no incentive to do it based on popularity because they should reserve the more popular players for their own leagues (OSL and SPL). I doubt this has anything to do with popularity.
It is, there is absolutely no reason that jaedong should get a better seed than roro. Roro has the better record in pro league, he posted the much better results in WCS (Jaedong beat sC and genius compared to roro's leenock and seed and came 4th) neither qualified for the OSL. Jaedong is seeded because he's infinitely more popular than roro no other reason.
Jaedong so sick in Code S, hopefully he's up to the task. Hoping to see Flash and Fantasy (after that OSL performance) in there too through the qualifiers.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
To be honest, Jaedong was a total BOSS in PL ace matches this season, you can't deny it.
On August 30 2012 18:29 Targe wrote: I feel bad for roro, I guess GOM are picking Jaedong for the popularity, seeing if they can encourage more kespa follwers to watch GSL.
Alright, they are based off Proleague results with ace matches weighted more.
Sucks for Roro. Seeing as I like Jaedong more than Roro, I will enjoy him in Code S and can't wait to see who he faces, but I feel like Roro would have a better chance of actually getting far.
Come on, these are the first seeds given to Kespa. Those are more for announcement than for rewarding the more deserving players. I'm definitely more excited to see Jeadong in code S than Roro and Jaedong is not ten time worse than Roro. Even if it was the case, next season Roro will be in code S and Jeadong in code A
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
this, totally unfair.
Umm, no, not totally unfair? If they were just doing it on personality they could have invited Flash and Oov to Code S. I'm sure that would give them a lot more attention. They've done it because they think those are the best players. Kespa actually has no incentive to do it based on popularity because they should reserve the more popular players for their own leagues (OSL and SPL). I doubt this has anything to do with popularity.
Roro is undisputably currently more accompolished in SC2 than Jaedong. Why is JD in Code S and Roro in Code A?
Also, if you think any SC2 tournament in the world wouldn't die to have Jaedong or Bisu play in it, I'm fairly sure you are mistaken. These guys have a lot of fans.
Why did Idra get seeded directly into Code S? Because he would bring in viewers. GOM Tv is being smart here, they picked the best of the top 4 famous Koreans to get more foreign eyeballs.
On August 30 2012 18:31 Fionn wrote: Alright, they are based off Proleague results with ace matches weighted more.
Sucks for Roro. Seeing as I like Jaedong more than Roro, I will enjoy him in Code S and can't wait to see who he faces, but I feel like Roro would have a better chance of actually getting far.
Unless death stare
Anyway; I guess it's fair to judge ace matches as more important. I guess KeSPA might know best in this case.
Ah, if only they had decided this sooner they could have given up and down seeds too. I hope for Jaedong and Sun that they get to play in the groups two weeks from now, since as we all know just two weeks is a lot for allowing KeSPA players to improve.
On August 30 2012 18:31 Fionn wrote: Alright, they are based off Proleague results with ace matches weighted more.
Sucks for Roro. Seeing as I like Jaedong more than Roro, I will enjoy him in Code S and can't wait to see who he faces, but I feel like Roro would have a better chance of actually getting far.
Hopefully its not Mana.. He says korean zergs are easy.. but JD is using euro zerg style.
Edit: Scratch That. Mana and JD cannot play each other in first round groups.
On August 30 2012 18:32 Grumbels wrote: Ah, if only they had decided this sooner they could have given up and down seeds too. I hope for Jaedong and Sun that they get to play in the groups two weeks from now, since as we all know just two weeks is a lot for allowing KeSPA players to improve.
Jaedong and Sun both have playoffs this week. I can see KeSPA asking if they can make it so they play in two weeks instead of next week.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
My sentiments exactly..
I love JD, but RorO has ben the one who's impressed me the most out of the KeSPA players.
Sensible seeding on the whole. Bit sad they didn't give one for a Kespa T though.
Expected Jaedong since he's way too popular not to have, even if his ability isn't really the highest amongst his fellow players.
I did think that Sun might get passed over for Roro due to his crazy schedule, but I guess he's going to be MC levels of busy for the next few months (albeit without all that presidential jet-setting).
Nice to see Shy and Trap getting some recognition for their PL performances.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
this, totally unfair.
Umm, no, not totally unfair? If they were just doing it on personality they could have invited Flash and Oov to Code S. I'm sure that would give them a lot more attention. They've done it because they think those are the best players. Kespa actually has no incentive to do it based on popularity because they should reserve the more popular players for their own leagues (OSL and SPL). I doubt this has anything to do with popularity.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)
A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:
Proleague Ranking
Code S: Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495 JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)
The two chosen did have amazing results as their team's aces. So that might have played a bit in the decision.
Was expecting Roro to be one of the Code S seeds based on his recent performance. Would like to know if there was any method or reasoning behind their seed selections. Also, not a single Kespa Terran seed.
I will say that constantly using proleague rankings is a bit silly. I'm worrying that the same players will get seeded into GSL, MLG, WCS for months just because of slightly better proleague performance. I think KeSPA could have done something like "performance in last round" instead of overall performance. Or they could have rewarded Roro and Reality for their WCS performance more. (Reality is nowhere to be found in Code A for instance)
I recall reading an analysis for how long it would take to have all the good KeSPA players in the GSL and even if all the KeSPA players were superior to their GSL counter parts it would take way too long. By adding seeds they alleviate the problem so I'm willing to bet they'll seed more players next season also. And of course some KeSPA players will come up through Code A qualifiers.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)
A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:
Proleague Ranking
Code S: Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495 JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390
I know JeaDong is more popular but still RoRo deserved the seed more. Also suprised not to see Soulkey,Hero[join] and Flash but get Trap and Shy. I know they are good in proleague but WCS matters more since it is a bigger tournament and Flash should be there since he is Flash.
On August 30 2012 18:39 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Not enough time to prepare for the matches.
maybe GOM is trying to move away from the preparation-type schedule into a more adaptable one? could make sense with how they're hosting Ro8 to Finals at IPL5.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
There's free LQ streams for every match except certain Code A matches.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
Honestly guys, i also thought it's going to be By.Sun and Reality/Roro for Code S (shame Reality didn't even get Code A) but it's gonna be better for the GSL that Jaedong got chosen. And i support their choice. Jaedong is multiple times more popular. The GSL often has done seeds by popularity, else why would they have seeded so many foreigners? I doubt only to make it more globally.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
There's free LQ streams for every match except certain Code A matches.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
There's free LQ streams for every match except certain Code A matches.
When will GSTL info be out?
One thing is for sure. Dont expect Kespa teams in it.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
There's free LQ streams for every match except certain Code A matches.
When will GSTL info be out?
One thing is for sure. Dont expect Kespa teams in it.
I don't, but with ZeNex and oGs both dead, I wonder if it'll be now an eight team tournament, or if they found two new teams to take those spots.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
There's free LQ streams for every match except certain Code A matches.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
There's free LQ streams for every match except certain Code A matches.
When will GSTL info be out?
One thing is for sure. Dont expect Kespa teams in it.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
There's free LQ streams for every match except certain Code A matches.
When will GSTL info be out?
One thing is for sure. Dont expect Kespa teams in it.
I don't, but with ZeNex and oGs both dead, I wonder if it'll be now an eight team tournament, or if they found two new teams to take those spots.
Well PL will have 1 slot open too... But right now i can't see GSL and Kespa teams in one team league. (it would upset the balance of each team having the same exposure during regular season of PL)
pretty surprised that Roro didn't make code S. good luck to him and hopefully he will win his way in there in short order. on that note i CAN'T WAIT to see JD play ^^
I rofled at bisu. But you need to add 'got SKT1 into the finals by DT snping an extractor...'
I'd personally like to see Fantasy given a seed. It would mean there's a terran in there, his results in proleague were 6-1 and his practice time must have been lower than the others because he was in the finals of the last BW OSL. Starleague winner, multiple grand finallist, beat Nestea comfortably in the OSL...
But if we're not doing more than one per team, Rain is the obvious SKT1 choice.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
There's free LQ streams for every match except certain Code A matches.
When will GSTL info be out?
One thing is for sure. Dont expect Kespa teams in it.
Honestly that would be too much.
at least I can expect esf teams in next season of proleague.
So Kespa gives extra points for ace matches? It's an interesting system as it gives a bonus to clutchness and nerves control. Happy to see Jaedong in Code S even if roro would also deserve that place. I'm confident roro is going to go at least to the up and down matches.
On August 30 2012 19:19 kamikami wrote: No Bisu T_T T_T
Who is Bisu?
GTFO.
In all seriousness though, Bisu is pretty bad at SC2, his strength has always been out-of-this-world mechanics and multitasking and he hasn't figured out how to use those things to his advantage in SC2 yet.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
Sun who? What achievements were these seeds based on? Roro is the only player to even come close to a code s seed (even thou he in no way deserves it).
Beyond this, it's pretty sad thou :'( I'll be sure to cheer to Roro all the way to code S.
Sun who? What achievements were these seeds based on? Roro is the only player to even come close to a code s seed (even thou he in no way deserves it).
Yeah sure, I mean beating Seed 2-0 is nothing, and 4th place is for scrubs anyway.
Do you even know about that WCS thing, you know, that small pointless tourney ?
On August 30 2012 19:51 Krogan wrote: Sun who? What achievements were these seeds based on? Roro is the only player to even come close to a code s seed (even thou he in no way deserves it).
It's been posted a few times already, but it's based on Proleague SC2 wins (30 points for regular game, 45 for ACE).
On August 30 2012 19:51 Krogan wrote: Sun who? What achievements were these seeds based on? Roro is the only player to even come close to a code s seed (even thou he in no way deserves it).
They get the seeds because of the partnership, and it was probably part of the agreement for them competing in this season. As for why Sun got it, it's based on number of wins in proleague, with extra points for ace match wins. I Found the full list on reddit earlier:
On August 30 2012 19:09 ogion wrote: Saw this on reddit, this is probably how they decided:
On August 30 2012 19:19 kamikami wrote: No Bisu T_T T_T
Who is Bisu?
GTFO.
In all seriousness though, Bisu is pretty bad at SC2, his strength has always been out-of-this-world mechanics and multitasking and he hasn't figured out how to use those things to his advantage in SC2 yet.
Code A qualifiers will be extra brutal this time, not only with the KeSPA players joining in, but also the 4 KeSPA Code A seeds pushing the total number of brackets down to 18.
On August 30 2012 20:17 attackmoveftw wrote: Don't Kespa get more seeds next tournament? They could release their stars a few at a time each GSL
I don't think they do, there is not much sense giving out seed since they will compete in Code A this season (thus UnD next). If they can't make it that far it makes no sense seeding them anyway, and they don't have foreigner's excuse, which is "too far, can't enter"
On August 30 2012 20:17 attackmoveftw wrote: Don't Kespa get more seeds next tournament? They could release their stars a few at a time each GSL
I don't think they do, there is not much sense giving out seed since they will compete in Code A this season (thus UnD next). If they can't make it that far it makes no sense seeding them anyway, and they don't have foreigner's excuse, which is "too far, can't enter"
Well, despite fairness, GoM, GSL and Kespa, as businesses, all want more viewers. They still have more "negotiation" in the future so who knows what'll happen.
On August 30 2012 20:16 iSiN wrote: I'm confused because effort is clearly better at sc2 than jaedong at this moment in time
They use points system for PL SC2 wins and ACE matches. Since JD gets sent for more ACE matches, he had more points. I think they also used this for WCS seeds. Eventhough it might not be 'fair', at least they are consistent and that is all we can ask for. It would be very hard to rank all the players 'fairly' since there is PL, WCS, WCS qualifiers, WCG.
I mean Reality had to go through WCS qualifiers and some got seeded. Not sure how they could assign points. If they don't give Reality points for WCS qualifiers, it would be weird. But if they did, it would be unfair to the seeds since they didn't participate.
But at the end of the day, it is for one season. And if you play well, you can get to Code S from qualifiers (and Code A) and if you aren't good, you will get dropped to Code B.
Roro was the only Zerg in the top 8 for wcs Korea. The other 7 were all protoss. His path wasn't easy either, he beat Hack, leenok, Miya, hero and seed. With the only 2 series he lost to the 2 finalists.
On August 30 2012 19:33 Qikz wrote: One thing I forgot to say, Khaldor must be really really happy with the decision about Jaedong.
Did you see his reaction at the WCS Korea when he saw all Jaedong's fangirls? !
He will clearly be upset that Jaedong got Code S instead of Code A.
I'm surprised so many want to switch Jaedong with Roro.
Should switch By.Sun with Roro. By.Sun has outperformed Jaedong for sure, but the thing is, By.Sun is already playing OSL. Would be nice to see two guys who have played very well (Jaedong and Roro) but not get the chance to do OSL get this chance.
On August 30 2012 18:13 Weirdkid wrote: Ahh sad for Roro. To be fair though, Jaedong seems to be doing well in SPL.
Jaedong was 10-9 in Proleague for SC2. He was actually pretty average.
did you watch the games? all the losses were protoss all ins. I would say that the best kespa players are Sun, Baby, Jaedong in that order. I don't think JD practiced for any of the wcs games.
if jeadong gets some time to prepare for this tournament I think he will win it.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)
A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:
Proleague Ranking
Code S: Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495 JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390
On August 30 2012 18:13 Weirdkid wrote: Ahh sad for Roro. To be fair though, Jaedong seems to be doing well in SPL.
Jaedong was 10-9 in Proleague for SC2. He was actually pretty average.
did you watch the games? all the losses were protoss all ins. I would say that the best kespa players are Sun, Baby, Jaedong in that order. I don't think JD practiced for any of the wcs games.
if jeadong gets some time to prepare for this tournament I think he will win it.
Don't count out Fantasy, he might be the best of them...
Well it'll be interesting, JD might die though :/ I can see MC coming out and picking him as thats the sort of personality he has (if he doesn't choose MaNa), and I can't see that ending well for JD but who knows.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)
A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:
Proleague Ranking
Code S: Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495 JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390
On August 30 2012 20:59 The Final Boss wrote: I feel like RorO deserves that Code S seed more than either Jaedong or Sun.
Not more than Sun but maybe JD, but there was a post earlier that explained their thoughts behind it all. I guess it's kind of understandable. I don't mind because I think RorO will get to Code S anyway in one way or another.
Jaedong for royal roader though! Jaedong fighting!
Edit: Just saw the post about the KeSPA rankings for the Proleague. I guess it makes sense. All those sick ace match wins from Jaedong propelled him forward!
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)
A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:
Proleague Ranking
Code S: Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495 JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390
On August 30 2012 20:52 Lasbike wrote: How the f*** is Roro in code A and Jaedong in code S oO
read my last post ><
yeah, fanta looks really good, but we haven't seen much from him since he played and practiced almost only bw until four weeks ago.
And then he destroyed Nestea in OSL while being 6-1 in proleague. Imo i've way higher expectation in the short term (even in the long run) for Fanta than Flash in sc2.
On August 30 2012 20:59 The Final Boss wrote: I feel like RorO deserves that Code S seed more than either Jaedong or Sun.
Not more than Sun but maybe JD, but there was a post earlier that explained their thoughts behind it all. I guess it's kind of understandable. I don't mind because I think RorO will get to Code S anyway in one way or another.
indeed roro will get code S in hes first season, don't worry too much.
On August 30 2012 20:59 The Final Boss wrote: I feel like RorO deserves that Code S seed more than either Jaedong or Sun.
Not more than Sun but maybe JD, but there was a post earlier that explained their thoughts behind it all. I guess it's kind of understandable. I don't mind because I think RorO will get to Code S anyway in one way or another.
indeed roro will get code S in hes first season, don't worry too much.
Code A is still harsh and you can get someone really scary in the ro48... like Keen/Puzzle. I'd say that RorO would be favored vs both but it's still a hard match.
On August 30 2012 18:11 BLinD-RawR wrote: I question jaedong over Roro but eh whatever
Jaedong finished the SPL with 10W 9L and 6W 3L in ace matches. Roro finished 8W 6L and 3W 4L in ace matches. On paper Jaedong performed better in SPL. Jaedong was 3W 2L against Zergs, and Roro was 2W 4L, and Jaedong was 6W 7L against Protoss, and Roro was 5W 2L.
Btw I wonder how this was decided. Did the Kespa players do internal qualification games? Or was it just based on a coach decision? That would suck I have to say.
On August 30 2012 21:56 Redox wrote: No Terran makes me sad.
Btw I wonder how this was decided. Did the Kespa players do internal qualification games? Or was it just based on a coach decision? That would suck I have to say.
It's based off SPL performance, with extra emphasis placed on ace match wins.
Fantasy not being seeded makes me upset. 6-1, beat Nestea, is a terran, is Fantasy, what more could you ask for?
On August 30 2012 18:37 snowbird wrote: The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)
A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:
Proleague Ranking
Code S: Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495 JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390
yep, it's a bit sad for roro, but jaedong is also a big name, who can draw lots of attention. I hope he can improve his weak matchups and perform well.
edit: ah ok, that ranking makes sense. whatever, I'm definitely looking forward to the next season!
I'm the biggest jaedong fanboy on the internets, my hwaseung calendar signed by his team is my most prized possession but I dunno if he's quite ready for code S. He did crazy well in the wcs tournament, but I'm still really nervous for him.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Incomplet wrote: Pfff. Jaedong instead of Roro. I guess business reigned supreme over current skill level and accomplishments
jaeh all seeds are nice the only thing is that roro would be better in code s then jaedong
also reality would be nice and not trap because reality even was the only who qualified for wcs korea qualifier and not got invited and made a nice run there
ahh i see only peroleague well its sad becauzse herO did SO well in wcs ^^
On August 30 2012 18:37 snowbird wrote: The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)
A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:
Proleague Ranking
Code S: Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495 JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390
Jaedong had a better proleague performance than Roro, it's really not unreasonable that he gets the Code S seed over Roro...
edit: As the post above me makes clear. It's just like in WCS when people thought Kespa chose the players to send (looking at you TL writers who kept saying they "hand-picked" players...). It simply goes by the proleague ranking.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
The seeds have nothing to do with popularity, afaik KeSPA used their proleague rankings (not exactly sure how they work)
A reddit user (rbcd) posted this:
Proleague Ranking
Code S: Rain - 13-6, 7 ace match wins = 495 JaeDong 10-9, 6 ace match wins = 390
I actualy would've liked Jaedong in Code A. Not because he's not good enough, but because the pressure will be huge. Every Gom pro and his mom will want to take him down (He also still needs to practice bw for the Proleague play-offs). Beïng in Code A is a lot less pressure with having to play less established pro's, and only needing to practice 1 matchup at a time. Anyway, hope he does well.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Incomplet wrote: Pfff. Jaedong instead of Roro. I guess business reigned supreme over current skill level and accomplishments
jaeh all seeds are nice the only thing is that roro would be better in code s then jaedong
also reality would be nice and not trap because reality even was the only who qualified for wcs korea qualifier and not got invited and made a nice run there
ahh i see only peroleague well its sad becauzse herO did SO well in wcs ^^
Proleague is always the 1st priority for KeSPA players, Reality even said that he practiced more BW then SC2 before his WCS game.
On August 30 2012 22:25 6NR wrote: Eh Jaedong? I mean he's doing good but if I have to be honest Roro deserves that spot more. Anyway, grats to all Kespa. By.Rain will clean up the GSL.
I have to be honest you did not watch Proleague and trying to judge according to WCS that is not right. I recommend you to watch this game from Jaedong (Trap is the best player on STX):
I wonder if one of them will be in Nani's group. Would it be the first foreigner vs Kespa match? They can't be same group as Mana since all 3 should be in tier 4.
RoRo should have got the Code S seed, and REALITY a Code A seed. They're better than most of the guys listed that are seeded, popularity contest once again.
Also pretty foolish they go off of Proleague results... it's players on the same level playing against each other...
OSL, WCG, WCS should have been taken into count more, it was KESPA vs. GSL aka much harder and more demanding, results mattered way more.
On August 30 2012 22:48 NuKE[vZ] wrote: RoRo should have got the Code S seed, and REALITY a Code A seed. They're better than most of the guys listed that are seeded, popularity contest once again.
Did you read the thread? It was based on PL points ranking... You can't just base it on WCS.
On August 30 2012 22:48 NuKE[vZ] wrote: RoRo should have got the Code S seed, and REALITY a Code A seed. They're better than most of the guys listed that are seeded, popularity contest once again.
Also pretty foolish they go off of Proleague results... it's players on the same level playing against each other...
OSL, WCG, WCS should have been taken into count more, it was KESPA vs. GSL aka much harder and more demanding, results mattered way more.
And how would you create a perfectly fair system for all these events which had seeding?
On August 31 2012 00:45 WigglingSquid wrote: Ah, the bittersweet taste of popularity-based seeds... alas, the transition will just last a couple season.
On August 30 2012 22:48 NuKE[vZ] wrote: RoRo should have got the Code S seed, and REALITY a Code A seed. They're better than most of the guys listed that are seeded, popularity contest once again.
Also pretty foolish they go off of Proleague results... it's players on the same level playing against each other...
OSL, WCG, WCS should have been taken into count more, it was KESPA vs. GSL aka much harder and more demanding, results mattered way more.
And how would you create a perfectly fair system for all these events which had seeding?
You go to gomtv's YouTube channel, and watch roros games and see that he is an absolute monster. He is the Zerg hope stuck in Aiur (Korea Protoss domination)
On August 30 2012 18:08 Zerothegreat wrote: I hope Jaedong wins it all! Wishful thinking maybe but would be awesome :D
As much as i love jaedong.... No way in boxer, is Jaedong going to make it past the first round
Jaedong looks mechanically brilliant to be quite honest. I'm more upset that the GSL is offering these guys seeds, I'd think that jaedong rising to the top all the way through the qualifiers would be a better story. It seems by offering them a seed GSL is admiting that for the moment, the kespa players that have been given seeds just aren't capable of coming through the qualifiers. I'd be pissed off if I wasn't respected when I had that kind of skill.
I'm so excited for this GSL! We've got kespa players coming in, two foreigners, a ton of previous winners and talented players. This is gonna be a good one
Code A offline qualifiers will be the first time since 2007 that Flash has had to go to one of these tournaments. He's been seeded in every OSL/MSL since then. Qualified for OSL his first try and MSL his second. Not saying he deserves an automatic seed for Code A or Code S, just pointing out the preliminaries are unexplored territory for him.
it's so hard to tell with the kespa players, especially after WCS, I could see jaedong absolute surprising everyone dominating, and securing his code-s seed (don't see him winning it soz) or I could see him being absolutely destroyed by existing code-s players.
I think Jaedong should be able to hold his own if he gets to practise more Starcraft 2 (Is he still practising Brood War?). The guy has amazing willpower and self management, works hard, is talented, practises a lot, and has Cezanne as a coach (Though I never really did follow Cezanne when he was in the scene, though he supposedly has good theoretical knowledge about the game).
imo should have jsut thrown them all into code a and let them work up. the pl results are hardly indicative of code s seed. gom is looking to immediately cash in on viewership with JD in code s. sigh.
On August 31 2012 01:17 Weirdkid wrote: I think Jaedong should be able to hold his own if he gets to practise more Starcraft 2 (Is he still practising Brood War?).
yes, team 8 is in playoffs for proleague (bw+sc2)/
Your fan girl count is a little low, for JD anyways. I think Roro will make it to Code S and so do they, which is why the ensured JD got a seed. Seems like they're hedging their bet a bit.
Poor Effort and Roro. While a Code A seed is awesome, they've been been doing better than Sun. Feel his spot should have been given to one of those two guys.
I dont understand for those people who are complaining that this or that player ain't code S 0_o is scoring system not enough? I do get how results are results but numbers are numbers aswell.
They chose a way to determin spots, and by doing so ended up with these results. Shit, JD might not be worthy yet, but I truly hope this will spur him on even more..
Just thinking about how JD will do once his decisionmaking is better and he's more familiar with the game gives me shivers... WANT TO SEE NAOOW <3
fixing the spawn locations is the number 1 priority imo, entombed and antiga are so much worse without it. Its honestly amazing blizzard hasnt dont this already. Also shak tal and condemned should go
On August 31 2012 01:41 vervejl wrote: I dont understand for those people who are complaining that this or that player ain't code S 0_o is scoring system not enough? I do get how results are results but numbers are numbers aswell.
as for me, why no Flash!! =D
Because people just like to bitch. You could have one of the most comprehensive invite systems ever and people would still find a way to complain because a certain player wasn't invited (see NASL invites).
On August 31 2012 01:38 Lavit2099 wrote: Poor Effort and Roro. While a Code A seed is awesome, they've been been doing better than Sun. Feel his spot should have been given to one of those two guys.
They've been doing better in WCS Korea, but it's based on ProLeague ranking.
That's it. No one's ever gonna win GSL anymore. It belongs to Jaedong. Don't even bother to show the trophies, just send them straight to Jaedong's mansion. You might wanna ask him which mansion before he wins though.
On August 31 2012 01:38 Lavit2099 wrote: Poor Effort and Roro. While a Code A seed is awesome, they've been been doing better than Sun. Feel his spot should have been given to one of those two guys.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
Isn't the OP clear about the points allocation? Ofc KeSPA is gonna use its own tournament to decide ranking, not Blizzard ones.
Though Jaedong's win rate is not very good, but proleague has always been ranking players by most wins first.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
Isn't the OP clear about the points allocation? Ofc KeSPA is gonna use its own tournament to decide ranking, not Blizzard ones.
On August 30 2012 18:29 Targe wrote: I feel bad for roro, I guess GOM are picking Jaedong for the popularity, seeing if they can encourage more kespa follwers to watch GSL.
KeSPA picked seeds.
Oh, I guess the popularity thing still applies, if not as much.
On August 31 2012 02:01 xrapture wrote: No Kespa Terrans? I'm excited about Effort and Jaedong, but pretty disappointed nonetheless. How can BW be represented without a single Terran....
im sure some will qualify. im hoping fantasy and reality. Flash im not too sure about yet
Sun was pretty much a no-brainer choice; while JD is a bit more debatable, you have to remember JD is basically second best, if not the best, PL ace - which is a pretty big deal.
Looking forward to see how they stack up against the players in the GSL, I can still see them struggling though. And why the fuck is RorO not code s...
Definitely props to these players, but I would have liked to see them come up through the qualifiers too. For instance, some of their differentials aren't the best, but because it's PL they get a high volume of games because they're trusted players. So they get more victories that way. But watching Jaedong play the role of ace again has been a treat.
On August 31 2012 01:41 vervejl wrote: I dont understand for those people who are complaining that this or that player ain't code S 0_o is scoring system not enough? I do get how results are results but numbers are numbers aswell.
as for me, why no Flash!! =D
Because people just like to bitch. You could have one of the most comprehensive invite systems ever and people would still find a way to complain because a certain player wasn't invited (see NASL invites).
Not really, the system actually is pretty flawed. If you look at the earlier wins you'll see the games were awful, whereas later games have a much higher level of play and mean much more. Plus it doesn't accommodate WCS and such.
It's not terrible, but there definitely are valid complaints with it. Would've been cool if they ran something similar to one of the old GOM tournaments; 64 or 128 players (All of Code S + best Kespa players + Code A/Foreign invite/etc.), would've been cool to watch. I'm probably asking for too much, but you have to admit that would be awesome to see.
On August 31 2012 01:41 vervejl wrote: I dont understand for those people who are complaining that this or that player ain't code S 0_o is scoring system not enough? I do get how results are results but numbers are numbers aswell.
as for me, why no Flash!! =D
Because people just like to bitch. You could have one of the most comprehensive invite systems ever and people would still find a way to complain because a certain player wasn't invited (see NASL invites).
Not really, the system actually is pretty flawed. If you look at the earlier wins you'll see the games were awful, whereas later games have a much higher level of play and mean much more. Plus it doesn't accommodate WCS and such.
It's not terrible, but there definitely are valid complaints with it. Would've been cool if they ran something similar to one of the old GOM tournaments; 64 or 128 players (All of Code S + best Kespa players + Code A/Foreign invite/etc.), would've been cool to watch. I'm probably asking for too much, but you have to admit that would be awesome to see.
Even if they used only round 3 to determine the seeds Rain and Jaedong rank higher than Roro. I had Rain with 4W 2L (3W 1L in ace matches) and Jaedong with 4W 4L (2W 2L in ace matches) for round 3, and Roro got 2W 2L (0W 1L in ace matches).
On August 31 2012 01:41 vervejl wrote: I dont understand for those people who are complaining that this or that player ain't code S 0_o is scoring system not enough? I do get how results are results but numbers are numbers aswell.
as for me, why no Flash!! =D
Because people just like to bitch. You could have one of the most comprehensive invite systems ever and people would still find a way to complain because a certain player wasn't invited (see NASL invites).
Not really, the system actually is pretty flawed. If you look at the earlier wins you'll see the games were awful, whereas later games have a much higher level of play and mean much more. Plus it doesn't accommodate WCS and such.
It's not terrible, but there definitely are valid complaints with it. Would've been cool if they ran something similar to one of the old GOM tournaments; 64 or 128 players (All of Code S + best Kespa players + Code A/Foreign invite/etc.), would've been cool to watch. I'm probably asking for too much, but you have to admit that would be awesome to see.
The system I was speaking of was in reference to NASL. However, KeSPA makes sense if you think about it from the viewpoint of KeSPA... Or any sports organization really. Say I was the coach of a wrestling team. I won't take the results of the last freestyle tournament to decide who will be my starters. I will have them wrestle amongst themselves in a wrestle off and the winners will be the ones to compete. Same here with KeSPA. ProLeague is their "wrestle off" and they are taking those with the best results AMONGST THEMSELVES and sending them out to compete.
Rain seems to me like a solid player to invite. He crushed zerg after zerg in WCS, has had an outstanding performance in Proleague, and beat MarineKing in the OSL.
On August 31 2012 03:06 ProxyTerran wrote: I didn't even know Sun, Roro or Trap - never heared of them... where are Flash, Fantasy and the other Terrans?
How can you possibly not know who sun and roro are? It seems like you are just one of those who jump on a bandwagon whenever one passes by.
On August 31 2012 03:06 ProxyTerran wrote: I didn't even know Sun, Roro or Trap - never heared of them... where are Flash, Fantasy and the other Terrans?
How can you possibly not know who sun and roro are? It seems like you are just one of those who jump on a bandwagon whenever one passes by.
You have a point... SKT triple protoss tag team plus Fantasy has been there starting roster until this sc2/bw season. And Roro, he's was like the ace of WeMade with Baby
Assuming Hero (P) and Alive (T) advance from Group C plus TheStC (T) and Violet (Z) from group E, that would be total of
10 Protoss 14 Terran 8 Zerg
The bottom line? Bringing in a Protoss and Zerg from Kespa invites was smart in terms of racial distribution for next season of code S. As for the actual players, I still think Roro would have been smarter to invite over JD. A better story would have developed had JD fought his way through Code A or next season Up and Downs to achieve Code S.
All discussion about Jaedong vs Roro aside, I think it's pretty incredible that there's 2 Kespa players and 2 foreigners in Code S. Had anyone told me that last year I would've laughed.
Jaedong winning the GSL might be the best thing that could happen for SC2 in Korea. The current base of eSF / Gom pros aren't appealing enough to holdout BW fans so having a giant (or Tyrant) from BW winning a major SC2 tournament would definetly help bring over more fans.
grats to the players who received seed although I feel like the point system is really weird considering some players are like 10-9 or something whereas others who didnt get seeds were like 8-3
Even as a Team 8 fan, I second everyone else who is questioning Jaedong over someone like RorO or even Trap. As good as he has been, there are still a few out there that have been showing better performances.
On August 31 2012 05:23 EerieTraveler wrote: Even as a Team 8 fan, I second everyone else who is questioning Jaedong over someone like RorO or even Trap.
Well just take a look at the OP, they wrote down the system there.
I'm glad that GOM gave out seeds to Kespa players. Will surely attract a lot of attention to this GSL season and will allow us to see how Kespa players do in GSL. Can't wait and hope Jaedong makes it far.
On August 31 2012 02:17 jinorazi wrote: i think bisu should have gotten a seed for screaming pleasure.
Second this, also bisu is famous for not getting out of prelims, he really needs it.
As much as I love Bisu (he's my favorite player), he kinda dried up in BW, and I don't expect different in SC2. I would really really love for him to be top Protoss again, but I don't see it happening sadly .
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
Yes, agreed. The point system GOM's using seemed designed with an end in mind
I freakin hate seeds into code A and S. It's unfair against alot of code B players that have been fighting over and over in the qualifiers without making it into the GSL.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
Yes, agreed. The point system GOM's using seemed designed with an end in mind
Maybe, but KeSPA has traditionally counted only wins in KeSPA-official games (and KeSPA rank for Proleague is X points for a win, 1.5*X points for an ace match win.)
So they've been completely consistent with what they've done before... basically, they just computed people's SC2 KeSPA rank.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
Yes, agreed. The point system GOM's using seemed designed with an end in mind
Maybe, but KeSPA has traditionally counted only wins in KeSPA-official games (and KeSPA rank for Proleague is X points for a win, 1.5*X points for an ace match win.)
So they've been completely consistent with what they've done before... basically, they just computed people's SC2 KeSPA rank.
It is smart even if they weren't consistent to find a way to put JD in Code S. If one looks at the views for a JD match from WCS compared to anyone else he brings about 9x the views of a VOD.
On August 31 2012 05:45 Gackt_ wrote: I freakin hate seeds into code A and S. It's unfair against alot of code B players that have been fighting over and over in the qualifiers without making it into the GSL.
There is a reason why they're still in Code B. And all of the current seeds are definitely better than the code B players. Now, in the past when seeding foreigners except maybe Naniwa these seeds have been a waste.
On August 31 2012 06:19 sM.Zik wrote: Sucks for Roro, but god damn Jaedong in Code S makes me happy :D !
Roro won't even need a full season to reach Code S. People are going to drop out of Code S just because they fear if they make him play a full season of Code A he will beat them so bad they'll forget how to play the game.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
Yes, agreed. The point system GOM's using seemed designed with an end in mind
Maybe, but KeSPA has traditionally counted only wins in KeSPA-official games (and KeSPA rank for Proleague is X points for a win, 1.5*X points for an ace match win.)
So they've been completely consistent with what they've done before... basically, they just computed people's SC2 KeSPA rank.
The point system mentioned isn't GOMs. It's the one KeSPA themselves used to select the seeds; both for WCS and, now, for the GSL. Chae said earlier that KeSPA would be selecting the Code S and A seeds, not GOM.
On August 31 2012 05:45 Gackt_ wrote: I freakin hate seeds into code A and S. It's unfair against alot of code B players that have been fighting over and over in the qualifiers without making it into the GSL.
There is a reason why they're still in Code B. And all of the current seeds are definitely better than the code B players. Now, in the past when seeding foreigners except maybe Naniwa these seeds have been a waste.
I don't really think that providing the opportunity has ever been a waste. Hell, Naniwa was originally given a Code A seed, and then another, and maybe a third? I forget but I remember he went 0-10 in GSL before getting his code S seed and going on a major hotstreak. Same with HuK, while 3 foriegners got owned when they gave out that batch of Code A seeds HuK persevered and eventually made it to code S. Same with Thorzain, he won a few games in code S, a few games in Code A, and would have been in the up downs if he wasn't sick. Same with MaNa who just made it through to Code S. Even if many, many foreigners had to take some brutal losses to get to where we are now it's worth it for these stories. The better players win and the worse players lose and eventually the deserving few make it as we've seen with the above examples.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
As the biggest die hard jd fan I gotta agree with you.
On August 31 2012 05:45 Gackt_ wrote: I freakin hate seeds into code A and S. It's unfair against alot of code B players that have been fighting over and over in the qualifiers without making it into the GSL.
There is a reason why they're still in Code B. And all of the current seeds are definitely better than the code B players. Now, in the past when seeding foreigners except maybe Naniwa these seeds have been a waste.
I don't really think that providing the opportunity has ever been a waste. Hell, Naniwa was originally given a Code A seed, and then another, and maybe a third? I forget but I remember he went 0-10 in GSL before getting his code S seed and going on a major hotstreak. Same with HuK, while 3 foriegners got owned when they gave out that batch of Code A seeds HuK persevered and eventually made it to code S. Same with Thorzain, he won a few games in code S, a few games in Code A, and would have been in the up downs if he wasn't sick. Same with MaNa who just made it through to Code S. Even if many, many foreigners had to take some brutal losses to get to where we are now it's worth it for these stories. The better players win and the worse players lose and eventually the deserving few make it as we've seen with the above examples.
Also foreigners in GSL make it more interesting. I know for a fact that I'm not alone on this one when I say that the most exciting times I have ever had while watching GSL were probably Liquid`Jinro's two Ro4 runs and when Liquid`HuK was in GSL (that being said, I guess those players both qualified for GSL). I stayed up for every single one of those matches and never regretted a second of it.
On August 30 2012 18:13 Nawe wrote: Is flash that bad when they never award him seeds?
flash is not as good in sc2 as these guys.
but apart from ace matches JD never did well in PL for sc2. Roro is code S quality for sure though so i definitely think he will make code S this season easily.
well after seeing stats you see he did 2nd best ^^
On August 30 2012 18:13 Nawe wrote: Is flash that bad when they never award him seeds?
flash is not as good in sc2 as these guys.
but apart from ace matches JD never did well in PL for sc2. Roro is code S quality for sure though so i definitely think he will make code S this season easily.
well after seeing stats you see he did 2nd best ^^
I think he's referring to the fact that JD has the lowest win % of anyone on the list.
On August 31 2012 07:40 tranmillitary wrote: Jaedong is going to make this the best GSL ever. Jaedong alone makes it worth buying.
Honestly, since the kespa players started sc2, Flash has not impressed me
Flash was at least playing well the first few months, at the WCS Korea Quals he took games off of Code A players. I haven't seen any of his play recently though, but meh. Anywho, agreed, about Jaedong =).
On August 31 2012 05:00 Acritter wrote: No T seeds. Is there something special about GOM Terrans?
Yes, half of Code S are terrans (only look at this year Season 1 - 15, Season 2 - 15, Season 3 - 13, Season 4 - 12 (4 can join via Up and Down matches). In absolutely all GSL seasons the number of terrans is the highest.
On August 31 2012 08:01 Ghighita wrote: I'm new on this Gsl.Can someone tell me how works this code a qualifiers?
Code A qualifiers simply take whatever spots are available. The Code A seeds have been notably inconsistent in numbers with sometimes 4, 2, 1 or 0 in some seasons. It simply means for the qualifiers there will be less groups.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
VODs of the first game of each match is also free. You don't need an account to watch those. Some times the epic matches are the first games.
IMO, I have to praise GOMTV for making the first games of each match free (gives people a good chance to taste the GSL).
On August 30 2012 18:33 Noam wrote: There seems to be some discussion going on about who deserves the seed based on some obviously flawed metric such as esults.
On August 30 2012 18:40 wurm wrote: As somebody who doesn't follow GSL, do you still need some kind of account to watch live (through GomTV)? Or are there livestreams?
Anyways, fuckin' Jaedong! Hope he does well. Kill them with your death stare!
You create an account on GOMTV.net and then watch via GOM Player
Thanks! Crossing my fingers for lower-quality streams so I can watch.
VODs of the first game of each match is also free. You don't need an account to watch those. Some times the epic matches are the first games.
IMO, I have to praise GOMTV for making the first games of each match free (gives people a good chance to taste the GSL).
Yep pretty much what this guys said. Here is a perfect example...prepare to be awed! PS: Have a spare change of underwear nearby ...
If KeSPA did not start the drama about not attending GSL Season 4, we would have: 2 seeds straight to Code S, 2 seeds to Up and Downs, and 4 seeds to Code A (it was said here No Kespa Players in Upcoming GSL).
On August 31 2012 13:07 Proseat wrote: Nice! Wonder how many other KeSPA players will take part (and qualify) in the Code A preliminaries.
It is likely that we will see a lot of Kespa players. Considering most tried to qualify at WCS, WCG qualifiers. And like many players had said, it is good for them to get more experience playing competitive matches.
On August 31 2012 13:39 Dontkillme wrote: How did Jaedong and Rain just suddenly get Code S seed?
Did you read the OP?
If you did and are asking instead about the seeds in general: Basically GSL always give out two seeds of Code S to players who have performed well elsehwere. Previously these have typically been used for foreign seeds and for players who have done well in international tournaments. Last season included Thorzain and Violet. Season 1 was Idra and Sen. I forget Season 2 =/ Polt and someone?
Anyway, to increase hype, Kespa are getting the seeds this time. Specifically players who are doing well in their tournaments. Most foreign tournaments lately have been won by Code S players anyway. If Kespa weren't invited I expect GSL would want Stephano and Nerchio though I don't think either are interested in GSL specifically given travel + commitment.
EDIT: Oh duh. Naniwa got Season 2 seed. I was thinking that couldn't have been right because in my mind seeded players typically don't do so well in their first appearance and thought he'd been there much earlier. Guess I made up more GSLs in my head for this year.
On August 31 2012 07:06 MCXD wrote: I hope next time KeSPA considers individual results like WCS and OSL, and not just the SPL. The GSL -is- an individual event, after all.
On August 30 2012 18:10 Fionn wrote: Be final KeSPA player in winner's bracket. Finish 4th overall. Beat CURRENT GSL champion 2-0. Only lose two series 1-2...TO THE TWO FINALISTS Get Code A and Jaedong gets Code S
Obviously Jaedong is wildly more popular, and this is going to make this season the greatest ever, but I feel bad for Roro.
Bison deserves his spot. He has been the best player in Proleague, is OSL (1-0 over MKP), and was the second best placing KeSPA player during WCS Korea.
Yes, agreed. The point system GOM's using seemed designed with an end in mind
Maybe, but KeSPA has traditionally counted only wins in KeSPA-official games (and KeSPA rank for Proleague is X points for a win, 1.5*X points for an ace match win.)
So they've been completely consistent with what they've done before... basically, they just computed people's SC2 KeSPA rank.
The point system mentioned isn't GOMs. It's the one KeSPA themselves used to select the seeds; both for WCS and, now, for the GSL. Chae said earlier that KeSPA would be selecting the Code S and A seeds, not GOM.
Uh... that's what I said...? KeSPA used their own system to select their seeds...?
I think this point system is somewhat flawed because it doesn't count the loses. For example someone with a 6-1 record doesn't stand a chance while someone with a 10-10 is more likely to get into seedings. They need to incorporate some losses in the point system they are using.
I love JD and all, he's my favorite SCBW player etc, but...
This seeding system is utterly ridiculous. Losses have no negative impact at all? A person with a 6-0 score scores less points than a 7-15 player? This makes no sense at all, how can they do this?
Also Fantasy skillwise is way up there and his PL record is incredible as well, I also hate him by the way.
People talking about Bisu are ridiculous -_- How is he even popular in the first place? Luckily for me I've hated him for 5 years and it's easy to continue doing so.
On August 31 2012 17:48 Shikyo wrote: I love JD and all, he's my favorite SCBW player etc, but...
This seeding system is utterly ridiculous. Losses have no negative impact at all? A person with a 6-0 score scores less points than a 7-15 player? This makes no sense at all, how can they do this?
Also Fantasy skillwise is way up there and his PL record is incredible as well, I also hate him by the way.
People talking about Bisu are ridiculous -_- How is he even popular in the first place? Luckily for me I've hated him for 5 years and it's easy to continue doing so.
Hating Fantasy AND BISU? How... how could you do that. T_T
On August 31 2012 17:48 Shikyo wrote: I love JD and all, he's my favorite SCBW player etc, but...
This seeding system is utterly ridiculous. Losses have no negative impact at all? A person with a 6-0 score scores less points than a 7-15 player? This makes no sense at all, how can they do this?
Also Fantasy skillwise is way up there and his PL record is incredible as well, I also hate him by the way.
People talking about Bisu are ridiculous -_- How is he even popular in the first place? Luckily for me I've hated him for 5 years and it's easy to continue doing so.
Hating Fantasy AND BISU? How... how could you do that. T_T
Actually I kind of like Fantasy because his expressions and such are hilarious when he loses. I don't really hate him as much anymore and it sure would help if he would stop beating my favorite players and then choking horribly in finals and whatnot.
Bisu, well... First of all my sense of beauty is probably off because he's not handsome/pretty at all to me so having people talk about it makes me feel strange because I still cannot see it, another thing is that Zerg is my favorite race and he made the matchup way tougher than it needed to be, then in addition I used to love savior... I guess hate is abit strong, none of the SKT1 players really appeal to me, in fact... I guess Soo and Sun are okay, dislike Best still
On August 31 2012 17:48 Shikyo wrote: I love JD and all, he's my favorite SCBW player etc, but...
This seeding system is utterly ridiculous. Losses have no negative impact at all? A person with a 6-0 score scores less points than a 7-15 player? This makes no sense at all, how can they do this?
Also Fantasy skillwise is way up there and his PL record is incredible as well, I also hate him by the way.
People talking about Bisu are ridiculous -_- How is he even popular in the first place? Luckily for me I've hated him for 5 years and it's easy to continue doing so.
Hating Fantasy AND BISU? How... how could you do that. T_T
Actually I kind of like Fantasy because his expressions and such are hilarious when he loses. I don't really hate him as much anymore and it sure would help if he would stop beating my favorite players and then choking horribly in finals and whatnot.
Bisu, well... First of all my sense of beauty is probably off because he's not handsome/pretty at all to me so having people talk about it makes me feel strange because I still cannot see it, another thing is that Zerg is my favorite race and he made the matchup way tougher than it needed to be, then in addition I used to love savior... I guess hate is abit strong, none of the SKT1 players really appeal to me, in fact... I guess Soo and Sun are okay, dislike Best still
You're like the anti me. I couldn't ever hate Fantasy or Bisu. I-It'd just feel wrong to me. ,_,
On August 31 2012 17:48 Shikyo wrote: I love JD and all, he's my favorite SCBW player etc, but...
This seeding system is utterly ridiculous. Losses have no negative impact at all? A person with a 6-0 score scores less points than a 7-15 player? This makes no sense at all, how can they do this?
Also Fantasy skillwise is way up there and his PL record is incredible as well, I also hate him by the way.
People talking about Bisu are ridiculous -_- How is he even popular in the first place? Luckily for me I've hated him for 5 years and it's easy to continue doing so.
Hating Fantasy AND BISU? How... how could you do that. T_T
Actually I kind of like Fantasy because his expressions and such are hilarious when he loses. I don't really hate him as much anymore and it sure would help if he would stop beating my favorite players and then choking horribly in finals and whatnot.
Bisu, well... First of all my sense of beauty is probably off because he's not handsome/pretty at all to me so having people talk about it makes me feel strange because I still cannot see it, another thing is that Zerg is my favorite race and he made the matchup way tougher than it needed to be, then in addition I used to love savior... I guess hate is abit strong, none of the SKT1 players really appeal to me, in fact... I guess Soo and Sun are okay, dislike Best still
You're like the anti me. I couldn't ever hate Fantasy or Bisu. I-It'd just feel wrong to me. ,_,
Likes and dislikes, soon in 2013 we will know they differ among people. gogo science
sorry
Btw. I also don't like Bisu (though i don't hate him) but i like Fantasy :p
On August 31 2012 20:45 shid0x wrote: Meh,not a good idea imo. Jaedong is probably gonna get raped by anyone in the actual code S.
i can assure you none of these code s players think that way themselves. against jaedong everyone is at an ability disadvantage and you are just hoping he hasn't learned enough sc2 to overtake you.
btw a lot of these 'errors' or 'chokes' gsl players show are forced errors. the pace of play is too fast for them to keep up. it's a pretty normal/regular way for inferior players to lose in bw. not that different here.
Yeah, one of the silly things about the seeding system is that it rewards whoever is most often picked as ace, so it's logical that the aces of the top five teams that got to the play-offs were selected. (except for Woongjin's ^^ , sorry Soulkey) Also, some players don't play as many games because they are supposed to play in the third games of either Bo3.
On August 31 2012 17:48 Shikyo wrote: I love JD and all, he's my favorite SCBW player etc, but...
This seeding system is utterly ridiculous. Losses have no negative impact at all? A person with a 6-0 score scores less points than a 7-15 player? This makes no sense at all, how can they do this?
Also Fantasy skillwise is way up there and his PL record is incredible as well, I also hate him by the way.
People talking about Bisu are ridiculous -_- How is he even popular in the first place? Luckily for me I've hated him for 5 years and it's easy to continue doing so.
Hating Fantasy AND BISU? How... how could you do that. T_T
Actually I kind of like Fantasy because his expressions and such are hilarious when he loses. I don't really hate him as much anymore and it sure would help if he would stop beating my favorite players and then choking horribly in finals and whatnot.
Bisu, well... First of all my sense of beauty is probably off because he's not handsome/pretty at all to me so having people talk about it makes me feel strange because I still cannot see it, another thing is that Zerg is my favorite race and he made the matchup way tougher than it needed to be, then in addition I used to love savior... I guess hate is abit strong, none of the SKT1 players really appeal to me, in fact... I guess Soo and Sun are okay, dislike Best still
You're like the anti me. I couldn't ever hate Fantasy or Bisu. I-It'd just feel wrong to me. ,_,
Likes and dislikes, soon in 2013 we will know they differ among people. gogo science
sorry
Btw. I also don't like Bisu (though i don't hate him) but i like Fantasy :p
I actually hated fantasy from the 'SPL finals between SKT and OZ' until the 'MSL semi finals of him vs Flash'. This career as a whole has really been tragic. The amount of silvers he has and the recent losses against jangbi. ;;
Now I just feel sorry for him. All. the. friggin. time.
i can assure you none of these code s players think that way themselves. against jaedong everyone is at an ability disadvantage and you are just hoping he hasn't learned enough sc2 to overtake you.
well i sure hope so too,because overconfidence is always a trap easy to fall in. Still from a neutral point of view he's below the rest,it was too early for code S seeds i think but i would like to see them in the code A qualifiers.
On August 31 2012 17:48 Shikyo wrote: I love JD and all, he's my favorite SCBW player etc, but...
This seeding system is utterly ridiculous. Losses have no negative impact at all? A person with a 6-0 score scores less points than a 7-15 player? This makes no sense at all, how can they do this?
Also Fantasy skillwise is way up there and his PL record is incredible as well, I also hate him by the way.
People talking about Bisu are ridiculous -_- How is he even popular in the first place? Luckily for me I've hated him for 5 years and it's easy to continue doing so.
You're not factoring that the 7-15 player's coach had enough confidence to field him 22 times.
On August 30 2012 18:09 Syntaxs wrote: Nvm, it goes September/August with the Finals on 27th August! I am excited to see the BW "God" Jaedong play, never saw him just know his name:/ Definately going to be interesting. (Don't have a BW background, just a bit playing WC3)
I would say "God" technically refers to Flash. He is known as God Young-Ho by Koreans. Though Jaedong is/was (he's far from his peak now unfortunately) an absolute monster himself xD ... the best multitasker in BW imo.
im so excited to see jaedong improve his play over the next couple months. Watch for it, he will be facing all code S skill level, its kill or be killed. Jaedong will succeed.
On August 30 2012 18:09 Syntaxs wrote: Nvm, it goes September/August with the Finals on 27th August! I am excited to see the BW "God" Jaedong play, never saw him just know his name:/ Definately going to be interesting. (Don't have a BW background, just a bit playing WC3)
I would say "God" technically refers to Flash. He is known as God Young-Ho by Koreans. Though Jaedong is/was (he's far from his peak now unfortunately) an absolute monster himself xD ... the best multitasker in BW imo.
Flash and Jaedong also had this huge rivalry going on couple years ago. Hopefully they can revive it later on in SC2! I'd go bananas
On August 31 2012 22:10 Grumbels wrote: Yeah, one of the silly things about the seeding system is that it rewards whoever is most often picked as ace, so it's logical that the aces of the top five teams that got to the play-offs were selected. (except for Woongjin's ^^ , sorry Soulkey)
They get pick as ace because the team consider them to be the best. Nothing wrong with give seed to the best players.
On August 31 2012 22:10 Grumbels wrote: Also, some players don't play as many games because they are supposed to play in the third games of either Bo3.
Everyone has a equal probability of being played at game x of boX. It's not like <insert player name> is known to always play at game X.
On August 31 2012 17:48 Shikyo wrote: I love JD and all, he's my favorite SCBW player etc, but...
This seeding system is utterly ridiculous. Losses have no negative impact at all? A person with a 6-0 score scores less points than a 7-15 player? This makes no sense at all, how can they do this?
Also Fantasy skillwise is way up there and his PL record is incredible as well, I also hate him by the way.
People talking about Bisu are ridiculous -_- How is he even popular in the first place? Luckily for me I've hated him for 5 years and it's easy to continue doing so.
You're not factoring that the 7-15 player's coach had enough confidence to field him 22 times.
Or maybe his team just is shit and he doesn't have as much competition - That shouldn't be held against the player because it's not his fault.
On September 01 2012 00:31 Mozdk wrote: Hasn't Flash been playing very well too? Surprised not to see him there. What about Bisu?
Flash hasn't been impressive
except for his macro
Yeah but his macro in bw was SO much more impressive given the mechanics of the game Its pretty downplayed here but that isn't flash's fault coughblizzardcough. (Also his macro in the osl games was less impressive too cause he got three early ccs and wasnt punished for it at all... I could do that too in sc2 without an opponent)
On September 01 2012 00:31 Mozdk wrote: Hasn't Flash been playing very well too? Surprised not to see him there. What about Bisu?
Flash hasn't been impressive
except for his macro
Yeah but his macro in bw was SO much more impressive given the mechanics of the game Its pretty downplayed here but that isn't flash's fault coughblizzardcough. (Also his macro in the osl games was less impressive too cause he got three early ccs and wasnt punished for it at all... I could do that too in sc2 without an opponent)
Give flash another year and he will dominate this game.
Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.
I think it's impossible for anyone to dominate sc2, and be very surprised if a player stayed on top for 2 years like flash did. The "best player" door seems to revolve every month with each new result. That will lessen once foreign events are more marginalized, though.
On September 01 2012 12:21 rift wrote: I think it's impossible for anyone to dominate sc2, and be very surprised if a player stayed on top for 2 years like flash did. The "best player" door seems to revolve every month with each new result. That will lessen once foreign events are more marginalized, though.
yeah it's kind of funny
i can summarise sc2's history like this:
fruitdealer, OMG BOXER AND NADA, MC, nestea, mvp #1, mvp's lost it, mvp #1 again, mvp looks weak, mvp wins gsl again, mvp has an injury, he's done this time, mvp wins gsl again
at some point in time MKP, MVP, FD, Nestea, DRG, MC, Stephano, MMA and leenock have been bonjwas or near-bonjwas according to TL's community
On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote: Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.
I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams.
It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-)
On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote: Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.
I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams.
It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-)
so you're saying a player that trains 10-12 hours in an incredibly efficient way won't have an advantage over somebody that is physically required (work, personal stuff) to train less than that?
if kespa won't dominate, i'll most likely stop watching sc2 - which i just started. why? because the game then doesn't seem to reward practice. it's not only about the broodwar stars... it's about the fact that there is now a few exceptional people that really go to the physical maximum of training a computer game and push it to its limits... there is no way kespa should be stopped
On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote: Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.
I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams.
It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-)
so you're saying a player that trains 10-12 hours in an incredibly efficient way won't have an advantage over somebody that is physically required (work, personal stuff) to train less than that?
if kespa won't dominate, i'll most likely stop watching sc2 - which i just started. why? because the game then doesn't seem to reward practice. it's not only about the broodwar stars... it's about the fact that there is now a few exceptional people that really go to the physical maximum of training a computer game and push it to its limits... there is no way kespa should be stopped
Your argument is quite weak to be honest. If they don't dominate, it's because they aren't gods at sc2, and to be honest, people who practice a lot and have talent and are solid enough to don't have up's and down's, will dominate. Noone can argue that.
On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote: Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.
I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams.
It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-)
so you're saying a player that trains 10-12 hours in an incredibly efficient way won't have an advantage over somebody that is physically required (work, personal stuff) to train less than that?
if kespa won't dominate, i'll most likely stop watching sc2 - which i just started. why? because the game then doesn't seem to reward practice. it's not only about the broodwar stars... it's about the fact that there is now a few exceptional people that really go to the physical maximum of training a computer game and push it to its limits... there is no way kespa should be stopped
10-12 hours is not that special for many good SC2 players outside KeSPA. Some players went up to 15 hours/day (Jinro/Major), however this was not long term succesful. Naniwa mentioned that after 10 or 12 hours your decision making becomes weaker.
On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote: Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.
I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams.
It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-)
so you're saying a player that trains 10-12 hours in an incredibly efficient way won't have an advantage over somebody that is physically required (work, personal stuff) to train less than that?
if kespa won't dominate, i'll most likely stop watching sc2 - which i just started. why? because the game then doesn't seem to reward practice. it's not only about the broodwar stars... it's about the fact that there is now a few exceptional people that really go to the physical maximum of training a computer game and push it to its limits... there is no way kespa should be stopped
10-12 hours is not that special for many good SC2 players outside KeSPA. Some players went up to 15 hours/day (Jinro/Major), however this was not long term succesful. Naniwa mentioned that after 10 or 12 hours your decision making becomes weaker.
The KeSPA players do that as a routine, though. It's not about just throwing hours. They have an entire system that foreign teams (and other Korean teams) simply don't have.
On September 01 2012 12:05 The_Darkness wrote: Jaedong already probably has the best creep spread and possibly injects (although that's a little more difficult to tell) in SC2, although his late game still needs work if he wants to be the best in the world. He and the other KESPA pros are going to show everyone how good you can get at SC2 if you practice 13 hours a day and are very talented. I feel like there's little chance the KESPA pros, on the whole, won't achieve a higher level than the current crop of GOM pros given that the KESPA guys are, I understand, more or less required to practice like madmen, whereas SC2 Korean teams are a bit more relaxed. Unless you burn out or injure yourself, more practice is almost always better than less practice.
I think it'll be more of a situation where the KeSPA pros will push the overall level, and the overall level of SC2 will impove. But I don't think the top will be exclusively dominated by the KeSPA teams.
It'll be interesting to see it play out though. :-)
so you're saying a player that trains 10-12 hours in an incredibly efficient way won't have an advantage over somebody that is physically required (work, personal stuff) to train less than that?
if kespa won't dominate, i'll most likely stop watching sc2 - which i just started. why? because the game then doesn't seem to reward practice. it's not only about the broodwar stars... it's about the fact that there is now a few exceptional people that really go to the physical maximum of training a computer game and push it to its limits... there is no way kespa should be stopped
10-12 hours is not that special for many good SC2 players outside KeSPA. Some players went up to 15 hours/day (Jinro/Major), however this was not long term succesful. Naniwa mentioned that after 10 or 12 hours your decision making becomes weaker.
The KeSPA players do that as a routine, though. It's not about just throwing hours. They have an entire system that foreign teams (and other Korean teams) simply don't have.
I also remember an old interview where Jaedong was doing some absurd number of hours(16-18) in preparation for a finals.
EPT
Jaedong, 
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. Btw who is Woongjin_sOs?
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