EPTwhy ?
because the games that are being played on a pro level change too often
I think
E-sports as an Olympic category petition - Page 7
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
why ? because the games that are being played on a pro level change too often I think | ||
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Raygun
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On August 30 2012 00:14 Raygun wrote: Also, do you think that Blizzard would relinquish rule changes to an ISF? I'm fairly certain that the IOC would never allow a corporation that creates a game to also act as the ISF, correct me if there is precedence. Rule changes would include all balance changes, bug fixes that impact game play, and map selection. And then isn't there the whole question of whether the game is truly balanced or not? We don't really know whether, with time, a certain race will figure out certain impervious strategies to the point where they will have a permanent advantage (imagine it being zerg, for example). That would make the whole thing pretty controversial, especially with heart of the swarm coming out and the myriad balance changes that will probably be coming out of that in the next few years (and then its expansion). If any game is going to make it, assuming you create an international federation and garner enough world-wide support (which apparently hasn't been enough to get rugby included yet!!), it would probably be something like counter-strike GO. Not only because the balance is fairly even for both sides as they both have access to nearly the same equipment, but because its a spectator sport that can be immediately enjoyed by any audience. SC2 faces another hurdle of having to explain exactly what units and buildings are, as well as their upgrades and how they counter each other...for three races. Is the average person going to sit down and take 10 minutes to understand this, or watch his beloved basketball or tennis game which is much more widely supported? I'm surprised that the CEO of a gamer institute hasn't thought of any of these cons, I guess he isn't aware of his own bias. | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
Chess needs to get in before esports can be considered. Chess is a much harder game, way more popular, and is also balanced. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5214 Posts
On August 29 2012 11:39 HotGlueGun wrote: Sorry, but basically every olympic event requires much more overall physical activity than SC2 by a long shot, even shooting. http://www.issf-academy.com/courses/fundamentals-of-pistol.html Also, the general public will have an overwhelmingly negative view of eSports if cyber athletes are put on the same pedestal as Olympian athletes. He said it requires intensive physical training... shooting does not. Kimberly Rhobes is probably considered obese by her BMI, if not then just overweight. She doesn't shoot pistols either, but anyway the "Fundamentals of Pistol" that you linked goes only to show that it is more about hand and body position and breathing than pure strength, agility or fitness. Which is the same with SC2, you need good hand position, good posture, ect... so the evidence you presented in your argument really only strengthens mine... And that was my whole point, that not all Olympics sports require intensive physical training. To be really great at SC2 you need to have great hands, as well as a great mind. If I knew more about shooting I could make a similar statement. All that being said, I don't think SC2 should be an Olympic sport (nor should shooting be), but it shouldn't not qualify because it doesn't take enough physical activity if shooting is there. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
 and I'm sure many more people would watch sc2 for example instead of some of the olympic sports tbh | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 30 2012 00:41 BronzeKnee wrote: He said it requires intensive physical training... shooting does not. Kimberly Rhobes is probably considered obese by her BMI, if not then just overweight. She doesn't shoot pistols either, but anyway the "Fundamentals of Pistol" that you linked goes only to show that it is more about hand and body position and breathing than pure strength, agility or fitness. Which is the same with SC2, you need good hand position, good posture, ect... so the evidence you presented in your argument really only strengthens mine... And that was my whole point, that not all Olympics sports require intensive physical training. To be really great at SC2 you need to have great hands, as well as a great mind. If I knew more about shooting I could make a similar statement. All that being said, I don't think SC2 should be an Olympic sport (nor should shooting be), but it shouldn't not qualify because it doesn't take enough physical activity if shooting is there. Can't tell if you're being serious, you've obviously never shot in your life. As someone who plays both SC2 and shoots at a range, I can tell you that firing a gun is a LOT more strenuous (physically) than playing SC2. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Scurvy
United States117 Posts
On August 29 2012 23:17 Rokoz wrote: Pretty much this. I don't agree with e-Sports making it to olympics, it just doesn't fit there. It's like golf or car racing, some things just don't fit in Olympics. Golf will be in Rio. | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
On August 30 2012 00:03 Sinedd wrote: because the games that are being played on a pro level change too often That, and I don't think the Olympics would want to endorse something produced by only one company. There was already a huge thread on this earlier; why are the same arguments being rehashed over and over... I'll quote what I said there: On August 08 2012 00:43 ]343[ wrote: SC2 and chess are not on the same level at all. People (and more recently, computers) have been studying chess seriously since the late 1800s. SC2 will be just a memory in a hundred years. Instead, SC2 can probably be in the electronic Olympics... oh wait, there's the WCG. SC2 is already in the WCG. Woo? The other problem with putting a video game in the Olympics is longevity. WCG, for example, keeps very few of its games between years. SC2 is not even three years old. Even BW... hell, even Tetris is pretty young by sports standards. What (competitive) video games do you think will honestly last more than 30 years at the highest level? Competitive (1v1) Tetris isn't much older than BW either, and the number of good players is honestly pretty small. SC2 might last 10 years if it's lucky, and if Blizzard keeps pushing it and supporting it so much. But when Blizzard comes out with SC3, they no longer have any reason to care about SC2 anymore... in fact, if they follow historical precedent, they're probably just going to kill it off. (Finally, SC2 isn't even as popular as LoL... why would they choose SC2 over LoL?) | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
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Torvaltz
United States188 Posts
I also doubt any of the board members would let it happen. The people there seem to hate everything that isn't physical competition. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:14 Torvaltz wrote: The Olympics seem to me as the pinnacle of physical competition. Though it does take dexterity and speed to play Starcraft, it requires a lot less physical training and conditioning. It's hard to say that progamers are of godlike stature (except Reach and Nada) so I think that it wouldn't be very olympic. I also doubt any of the board members would let it happen. The people there seem to hate everything that isn't physical competition. what about shooting and archery that are in the olympics ? xp | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On August 30 2012 07:29 GizmoPT wrote: what about shooting and archery that are in the olympics ? xp Have you ever shot or done archery? They DO require a lot of physicality. On August 30 2012 08:19 Vapaach wrote: I would like to remind everyone that chess isn't balanced either, as white is consistently winning substantially more than black according to chess statistics. The first turn advantage is negligible enough to be close to one of the most balanced games around. Go is really balanced as well depending on the Kifu. Poker is balanced, but Olympics probably aren't interested in games with a big luck element. | ||
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
but the analogy between computer games and sports is *tenuous* at best. Poker is not a sport ... it is a game. Sure you can argue against it, but then i can use hyperbole and dismiss your arguments. Afterall surely having a wank can be considered a sport which means a line needs to be drawn ... most people draw that line at games involving athletics, not games that measure ability much like a typist would with wpm (except esports legends dont type words ... they only get measured on single characters). When arguing computer games are an esport all you are saying is 'I want to define sport as encompassing more than reasonable people want to' Which is fine, but be honest about why you want to do it. Go is balanced as well depending on the kifu? wtf how is a game record ever going to be something that determines the balance of the game. You look at balance accross millions of games ... go is considered to be quite strongly favored towards the first move ... I am a bit out of date on komi but i believe it was 4.5 last i checked in an even game (apparently its 6.5). And as someone who is very passionate about go i have to say it most definatley is NOT a sport despite the fact that i spent many years training at it for several hours a day - every day. It is a highly competative and awesome game that everyone should learn to play imo. The depth of the game is something you still wont comprehend after 10 years playing it - but you will comprehend just how much deeper it is than you ever thought imaginable. Just like many many other games out there. The thing you have to bear in mind about professional go is that these guys are so good that its not just about winning, its about winning so hard that you make the game as close as you possibly can. IE I am so good that I have this game locked up but i'm only going to win by 0.5-2 points - and i know that 30 moves before the end of the game. | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
I mean chess has never made it in and that has been around for ages. Chess would have gotten in long before any sort of eSport would. | ||
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
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