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setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 27 2012 13:35 GMT
#1961
Glad to see this resolved but I don't like seeing for any player. Every player should have to earn their spot, and no KeSPA player has earned his in the OSL.

Going forward I hope this dispute doesn't make KeSPA recede back into some isolationist entity.
massivez
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium653 Posts
August 27 2012 13:36 GMT
#1962
On August 27 2012 21:50 Pheint wrote:
Predictions on who is seeded into code S?


Code S: probably Roro and By.sun. If they want the viewer rate to skyrocket: Jaedong+Flash.
Code A: Effort, Reality, Jaedong, CJhero.
Roachu
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden692 Posts
August 27 2012 13:38 GMT
#1963
So it took only a few days for this squabble to be over. Glad they came to their senses.
Don't be asshats
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 13:41:56
August 27 2012 13:41 GMT
#1964
On August 27 2012 21:58 masterbreti wrote:
horrible news, I don't like the seeding one bit, as this takes spots away from players who will be playing in upcoming Code A qualifers, so players who are part of ESF teams get less chances this season to particpate.



But that is what esf themselve wanted.

A question, will GSL pick the invited players. or will KeSPA decide who gets the Code S seeds?
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
August 27 2012 13:42 GMT
#1965
On August 27 2012 22:41 Sandermatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 21:58 masterbreti wrote:
horrible news, I don't like the seeding one bit, as this takes spots away from players who will be playing in upcoming Code A qualifers, so players who are part of ESF teams get less chances this season to particpate.



But that is what esf themselve wanted.

A question, will GSL pick the invited players. or will KeSPA decide who gets the Code S seeds?


Kespa
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
August 27 2012 13:43 GMT
#1966
I hope that Kespa continues to cooperate because what will happen when the ESF don't have leverage to use? I have a feeling that this isn't the end yet, just a lull in the action.

I hope I'm wrong though.
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structuralinertia
Profile Joined June 2009
Australia1426 Posts
August 27 2012 13:45 GMT
#1967
yay thank god this is over

I don't have anything against kespa per se but this is a good decision/outcome
BgSBendeR
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada170 Posts
August 27 2012 13:48 GMT
#1968
On August 27 2012 17:59 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:56 Severedevil wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:53 jinorazi wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:51 coloursheep wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:32 jinorazi wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:28 coloursheep wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:21 Frankon wrote:
Now if Kespa doesn't get 21 players into the Code A through the qualifiers it would be a upset for them....

On August 27 2012 16:59 coloursheep wrote:
I did not say they took their players out, I said they refused to let their players compete which is exactly what they did.

Read again what you wrote.... Took out means that they were already in it in the first place.


So ESF, not GOM which you are blaming, is not allowed to have their players not compete in OSL but KESPA can have their players not compete in GSL, how is that not the definition of hypocritical?


I said KESPA can have their players not complete, yes the first time I misstated, but i rephrased it as you can see above and you restated that I said took their players out which as you can see in the post I did not.


esf would have hurt ogn(maybe cancel event, FIRST SC2 OSL!!) more than kespa hurting gomtv(disappointing hyped fans). osl was already set. gsl4 didnt even start.


This was started by KESPA not competing in GSL4, everything that followed was a result of this decision and therefore the blame belongs to KESPA.


...and who is disputing that? no one from what i can see. but to say what esf did is on par with what kespa did...not even close.

I dispute it. There was no conflict until ESF threw a fit and held the OSL for ransom.


Ah if you only understood. I will try to explain as has been said many times in this thread.

Back in broodwar kespa did this exact thing to GOM, made their players boycott them and then GOM died. ESF realizes that kespa is in a win/win situation if they play in OSL while kespa players avoid GOM. This hurts gom alot as having kespa vs GOM players is going to bring a lot more viewers then if it were just GOM players or just Kespa players (at least in terms of international).

So if Kespa allows GOM players to play in OSL but forbids their players from playing in GSL then GSL viewers get hurt and OSL gets a lot more attention then GOM then if both of them had it.

In short Kespa is trying to be the main company over there like in BW. So yes ESF's reaction was smart and good. There is a reason people who followed bw for a long time (I am not one of these people) but you will notice how Idra (former kespa player) Jinro (followed bw forever) and more who followed bw for a long time SUPPORTED ESF's decision and the korean reaction on their forums were hate on Kespa and not GOM.

And Jinro posts above again saying the truth ^_^

You can't really compare it to GOM Classic because GOM have players this time.. Their very own.
For every minute you are angry you lose sixty seconds of happiness.
Grummler
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany743 Posts
August 27 2012 13:57 GMT
#1969
Good job ESF!
workers, supply, money, workers, supply, money, workers, ...
Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
August 27 2012 13:58 GMT
#1970
On August 27 2012 22:48 BgSBendeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:59 blade55555 wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:56 Severedevil wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:53 jinorazi wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:51 coloursheep wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:32 jinorazi wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:28 coloursheep wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:21 Frankon wrote:
Now if Kespa doesn't get 21 players into the Code A through the qualifiers it would be a upset for them....

On August 27 2012 16:59 coloursheep wrote:
I did not say they took their players out, I said they refused to let their players compete which is exactly what they did.

Read again what you wrote.... Took out means that they were already in it in the first place.


So ESF, not GOM which you are blaming, is not allowed to have their players not compete in OSL but KESPA can have their players not compete in GSL, how is that not the definition of hypocritical?


I said KESPA can have their players not complete, yes the first time I misstated, but i rephrased it as you can see above and you restated that I said took their players out which as you can see in the post I did not.


esf would have hurt ogn(maybe cancel event, FIRST SC2 OSL!!) more than kespa hurting gomtv(disappointing hyped fans). osl was already set. gsl4 didnt even start.


This was started by KESPA not competing in GSL4, everything that followed was a result of this decision and therefore the blame belongs to KESPA.


...and who is disputing that? no one from what i can see. but to say what esf did is on par with what kespa did...not even close.

I dispute it. There was no conflict until ESF threw a fit and held the OSL for ransom.


Ah if you only understood. I will try to explain as has been said many times in this thread.

Back in broodwar kespa did this exact thing to GOM, made their players boycott them and then GOM died. ESF realizes that kespa is in a win/win situation if they play in OSL while kespa players avoid GOM. This hurts gom alot as having kespa vs GOM players is going to bring a lot more viewers then if it were just GOM players or just Kespa players (at least in terms of international).

So if Kespa allows GOM players to play in OSL but forbids their players from playing in GSL then GSL viewers get hurt and OSL gets a lot more attention then GOM then if both of them had it.

In short Kespa is trying to be the main company over there like in BW. So yes ESF's reaction was smart and good. There is a reason people who followed bw for a long time (I am not one of these people) but you will notice how Idra (former kespa player) Jinro (followed bw forever) and more who followed bw for a long time SUPPORTED ESF's decision and the korean reaction on their forums were hate on Kespa and not GOM.

And Jinro posts above again saying the truth ^_^

You can't really compare it to GOM Classic because GOM have players this time.. Their very own.


Well, they do not own the players or the teams.
Ghoststrikes
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1356 Posts
August 27 2012 14:00 GMT
#1971
Thanks ESF for sticking to your guns and making Kespa turn back on its initial decision! Everyone wins, especially the fans!
Never say die
rave[wcr]
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1166 Posts
August 27 2012 14:04 GMT
#1972
nestea saves the world again!
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
August 27 2012 14:04 GMT
#1973
S: Flash + JD
A: Fantasy, Jangbi, Stork, Bisu

:D
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
August 27 2012 14:07 GMT
#1974
On August 27 2012 23:04 Zeon0 wrote:
S: Flash + JD
A: Fantasy, Jangbi, Stork, Bisu

:D

I just want Flash to be seeded. Code S, Code A, I don't care.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12904 Posts
August 27 2012 14:08 GMT
#1975
can't really believe this is resolved! GREAT news
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
August 27 2012 14:10 GMT
#1976
Thank goodness. Looking forward to the games.
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
August 27 2012 14:10 GMT
#1977
On August 27 2012 22:36 massivez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 21:50 Pheint wrote:
Predictions on who is seeded into code S?


Code S: probably Roro and By.sun. If they want the viewer rate to skyrocket: Jaedong+Flash.
Code A: Effort, Reality, Jaedong, CJhero.

should be alicia and first
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
August 27 2012 14:10 GMT
#1978
Woo! good on ESF for sticking by their guns on this one. KeSPA has been bullying people around for far too long, good to see somebody stand up to them now.
This is also the best possible outcome for the fans, I can't wait for the upcoming seasons!
Wolfstan
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada605 Posts
August 27 2012 14:15 GMT
#1979
OSL finalists Janbi and Fantasy seeded into Code S

TBLS into Code A is what im hoping for.
EG - ROOT - Gambit Gaming
TheLight
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia410 Posts
August 27 2012 14:16 GMT
#1980
Next season is going to be insane! 90 kespa players attempting to qualiffy, kespa seeds and Ro4 + finals in Las Vegas!
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