EPTOGN gets fucked.
People still don't get it.
[Resolved] Kespa, GOM, ESF dispute - Page 44
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
OGN gets fucked. People still don't get it. | ||
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chisuri
Vietnam789 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:24 boag11 wrote: If Kespa deemed it not being fair then why did they send players to WCS and invited ESF players to OSL? You cant say it isnt fair when you have to play tournaments of other organizers but it is perfectly ok when you host your own. WCS finished before OSL and PL playoff start. And there were only 7 players of KeSPA participating in the tournament, most of them failed in qualifiers. KeSPA allowed ESF players to join OSL, they did and they intentionally screwed it up. There is no doubt that they are trying to undermine KeSPA. GOM allowed KeSPA players to join season 4. They declined and GOM went mad and asked ESF to threaten KeSPA. Well I saw nothing wrong with KeSPA's decisions and a very bitchy reactions from GOM and ESF. | ||
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:32 ShadeR wrote: Business as usual for GOM. OGN gets fucked. People still don't get it. You'd rather have GOM get fucked, business better than ever for OGN? | ||
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achan1058
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On August 26 2012 19:33 disciple wrote: What I'm saying is that from the statement I don't get any notion that ESF tried to discipline KeSPA earlier. If KeSPA was completely aware that ESF are going to play this card in case KeSPA doesn't participate in the GSL the whole situation might have been completely different. I don't think eSF was counting on KeSPA doing what they did in the first place. Neither did Blizzard, or they would have put something in the contract to prevent this from happening. And frankly, Blizz is definitely at fault for this as well. | ||
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Sethronu
United Kingdom450 Posts
eSF on the other hand has everything to gain by undermining KeSPA in each and every way possible. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51717 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:33 boxman22 wrote: You'd rather have GOM get fucked, business better than ever for OGN? what? did he explicitly say he wanted Gom to be the one fucked over instead? please let go of this "if you are not with us, then you have to be against us attitude" | ||
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:33 disciple wrote: What I'm saying is that from the statement I don't get any notion that ESF tried to discipline KeSPA earlier. If KeSPA was completely aware that ESF are going to play this card in case KeSPA doesn't participate in the GSL the whole situation might have been completely different. Given it took them a couple hours to respond to the boycott, you have to figure that they had contingency plans based on this happening. | ||
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attackmoveftw
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On August 26 2012 19:21 boag11 wrote: Kespa pulling out of GSL 4 might not have any immediate consequences but it can have affects for many tournaments down the road when it involves ESF and Kespa players. And with ESFs decision, even though it hurts now, it may perhaps be better for esports overall in the long run. Sometimes one must be sacrificed in order to save the many. How many times must this be made clear. KESPA NEVER PULLED OUT OF GSL4. THEY WERE NEVER IN IT TO BEGIN WITH. Looking back at the sequence of events, it was GSL who pulled the first punch with the statement "We are regretful KeSPA will not participate in GSL4" followed up with "We defer OSL participation". It looks more like GSL got frustrated with KeSPA foot dragging but the fact remains, GSL and eSF are the ones breaking agreements and being dicks here. | ||
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BgSBendeR
Canada170 Posts
So saying they wouldn't take part in they knew KeSPA was not going to take part in GSL to begin with is completely retarded logic. There isn't much opportunity in Korea for eSF players. So getting a second tournament in which most of them can play in was a pretty nice thing. eSF are basically screwing over their lesser known players in the long run simply because those guys don't really get a salary and their only chance to make a new for themselves is like once every GSL which lasts for months.. OGN can make the OSL a KesPA player only league like it was in the past and that would hurt eSF players a lot more... | ||
boag11
United States28 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:33 chisuri wrote: WCS finished before OSL and PL playoff start. And there were only 7 players of KeSPA participating in the tournament, most of them failed in qualifiers. KeSPA allowed ESF players to join OSL, they did and they intentionally screwed it up. There is no doubt that they are trying to undermine KeSPA. GOM allowed KeSPA players to join season 4. They declined and GOM went mad and asked ESF to threaten KeSPA. Well I saw nothing wrong with KeSPA's decisions and a very bitchy reactions from GOM and ESF. I dont know why you mentioned all you did as it had nothing to do with the points I were making. The post I was responding to stated how it was unfair for Kespa teams for having to play 2 games instead of 1, scbw and sc2. He basicly said Kespa players were at a disadvantage either skill/strategy wise or preparation wise. | ||
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boxman22
Canada430 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:38 attackmoveftw wrote: How many times must this be made clear. KESPA NEVER PULLED OUT OF GSL4. THEY WERE NEVER IN IT TO BEGIN WITH. Looking back at the sequence of events, it was GSL who pulled the first punch with the statement "We are regretful KeSPA will not participate in GSL4" followed up with "We defer OSL participation". It looks more like GSL got frustrated with KeSPA foot dragging but the fact remains, GSL and eSF are the ones breaking agreements and being dicks here. There was an agreement between Blizzard, Kespa and GOM earlier in which everyone promised cooperation. So yes KeSPA basically was breaking an agreement. Plus players never sign a contract that they have to play in tournaments either. Therefore the players decided they didn't want to play in the OSL. Just as legal. | ||
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S_SienZ
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On August 26 2012 19:38 attackmoveftw wrote: How many times must this be made clear. KESPA NEVER PULLED OUT OF GSL4. THEY WERE NEVER IN IT TO BEGIN WITH. Looking back at the sequence of events, it was GSL who pulled the first punch with the statement "We are regretful KeSPA will not participate in GSL4" followed up with "We defer OSL participation". It looks more like GSL got frustrated with KeSPA foot dragging but the fact remains, GSL and eSF are the ones breaking agreements and being dicks here. No. GSL said "We are regretful KeSPA will not participate in GSL4" ESF saw that, and went "We defer OSL participation" If people are going to stress the difference between Kespa and OGN, it's only consistent to see it the other way as well. | ||
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ImNightmare
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
I would still applaud them for having the balls to do it. In this case, the ends justify the means, regardless of eSF backing out of a started tournament whereas osl never was in. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:36 BLinD-RawR wrote: what? did he explicitly say he wanted Gom to be the one fucked over instead? It's also debatable whether or not KeSPA players not participating in the next GSL even hurts GOM.... No shit it doesn't help GOM but it 'hurts' GOM? I am not so sure. OGN the tv station (not some fucking KeSPA subdivision which people seem to not get) allows unlicensed players to participate in the OSL and out of nowhere lose half the competitors in the Ro16. Tell me who is getting fucked. | ||
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On August 26 2012 19:41 Bippzy wrote: Interesting how public opinion slowly shifts, its as if everyone forgot about before eSF made the current move. Everyone was like "good, but they stilll shouldn't play till season 4 gsl has kespa players". They make this decision combined with ogns nice little PR announcement, and now gom is an asshole. I would still applaud them for having the balls to do it. In this case, the ends justify the means, regardless of eSF backing out of a started tournament whereas osl never was in. Actually, nothing shifted. There's just a small vocal minority of people, probably BW fans, who have been making many comments. Most of the out-raged people basically came in, make a few lines, and left again and not discuss this further. | ||
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