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On August 26 2012 19:54 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:45 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:
???? Still no annoucement? Fuck this is good. Kespa is really thinking hard on its next move. Shall we macro up? Or do we counter attack its sunday. :/ And the deadline is tomorrow. It's getting tense. nah, there is time, actually I'm kinda glad that there is some gap in the OSL schedule, so shit doesn't really hit the fan just yet. No, I mean the GSL registration deadline is tomorrow. Kespa has to decide very soon.
eSF asked for that to be pushed back as well, and I doubt GOM will reject that.
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Kespa did some cool leagues in BW but this time they should shut up.
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On August 26 2012 19:54 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:45 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:40 ImNightmare wrote:
???? Still no annoucement? Fuck this is good. Kespa is really thinking hard on its next move. Shall we macro up? Or do we counter attack its sunday. :/ And the deadline is tomorrow. It's getting tense. nah, there is time, actually I'm kinda glad that there is some gap in the OSL schedule, so shit doesn't really hit the fan just yet. No, I mean the GSL registration deadline is tomorrow. Kespa has to decide very soon.
oh, well eSF said that they are extending registration time just for the KeSPA players.
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On August 26 2012 19:52 disciple wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:46 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:45 chisuri wrote:On August 26 2012 19:42 achan1058 wrote:On August 26 2012 19:41 Bippzy wrote:
Interesting how public opinion slowly shifts, its as if everyone forgot about before eSF made the current move. Everyone was like "good, but they stilll shouldn't play till season 4 gsl has kespa players". They make this decision combined with ogns nice little PR announcement, and now gom is an asshole.
I would still applaud them for having the balls to do it. In this case, the ends justify the means, regardless of eSF backing out of a started tournament whereas osl never was in. Actually, nothing shifted. There's just a small vocal minority of people, probably BW fans, who have been making many comments. And you counter them with impeccable logic and reason? And what does being BW fans have anything to do with this? If they say the right things, they are still the correct side in this argument. But you have to cop out for the sake of discussion of course. I wasn't countering anything with that comment. It's just an observation. Most pro-KeSPA posts have a T1 tag on them. especially after taking the time to read all the information on the matter.
You mean like the most bullshit excuse in history, i.e. that we don't have time for the GSL qualifiers and GSL? Coincidentally the exact same excuse they gave the prior GSL season?
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On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. You're right, the moves eSF are pulling look awful without looking at context and history. They look even worse if you do consider it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic.
This horrible kespa politic did not create a singe good game. The players did.
For the skill of the players you should credit the players not kespa.
Its no longer "kespa or nothing". If this politic goes on, we have 2 diffrent sc2 scene and i think no viewer want this.
We want the best players in many tournaments!
Perhaps it would help if you stop fuck the logic and listen to it for a second. 
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On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
KT Rolster:
Acacia: -
Action: -
Barracks: -
Crazy-Hydra: -
Flash: OSL
Hoejja: -
Mind: -
Motive: -
PerfectMan: -
Stats: -
Wooki: -
Penguin: -
MyungSik: -
Hitman: -
Woongjin Stars:
Aria: -
Bisang: -
Flying: OSL
fokins: -
free: -
Light: -
Rudy: -
Shout: -
Sos: -
Sin: -
Soulkey: -
Woon: -
Zero: -
STX Soul:
Bogus: -
Calm: -
Classic: -
Dear: -
hyvaa: -
Last: OSL
Mini: -
Modesty: -
Shuttle: -
Size: -
Trap: WCG
Yourosia: -
I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are.
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On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this.
well they didn't shut down the restreams all these years, sure they didn't do anything for us themselves but they never stopped us from doing what we wanted with their content.
Yes I am 100% OGN biased, not KeSPA biased, just OGN(and MBC when they were around).
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On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
KT Rolster:
Acacia: -
Action: -
Barracks: -
Crazy-Hydra: -
Flash: OSL
Hoejja: -
Mind: -
Motive: -
PerfectMan: -
Stats: -
Wooki: -
Penguin: -
MyungSik: -
Hitman: -
Woongjin Stars:
Aria: -
Bisang: -
Flying: OSL
fokins: -
free: -
Light: -
Rudy: -
Shout: -
Sos: -
Sin: -
Soulkey: -
Woon: -
Zero: -
STX Soul:
Bogus: -
Calm: -
Classic: -
Dear: -
hyvaa: -
Last: OSL
Mini: -
Modesty: -
Shuttle: -
Size: -
Trap: WCG
Yourosia: -
I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are.
Well, someone's gotta clean the dishes now that the oldies are busy winning GSLs, MLGs and shit.
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On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. You're right, the moves eSF are pulling look awful without looking at context and history. They look even worse if you do consider it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic.
Also consider that this is the internet. If these posters were actually people intimately involved with this 'war' then this "the ends justifies the means" mentality which seems to be the majority would surely be the minority.
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On August 26 2012 19:33 disciple wrote:
What I'm saying is that from the statement I don't get any notion that ESF tried to discipline KeSPA earlier. If KeSPA was completely aware that ESF are going to play this card in case KeSPA doesn't participate in the GSL the whole situation might have been completely different.
If Kespa made the eSF completly aware earlier that they are not going to join the GSL, then the problem would not have occured in the first place. Kespa can still sort this out. The y just need to announce that they will continuosly allow their players to join the GSL and all leagues can play out uninterrupted.
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On August 26 2012 19:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. well they didn't shut down the restreams all these years, sure they didn't do anything for us themselves but they never stopped us from doing what we wanted with their content. Yes I am 100% OGN biased, not KeSPA biased, just OGN(and MBC when they were around).
I recalled you posting previously saying it's sunday today and you don't have time to argue and what do we have here ;D...
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On August 26 2012 19:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. well they didn't shut down the restreams all these years, sure they didn't do anything for us themselves but they never stopped us from doing what we wanted with their content. Yes I am 100% OGN biased, not KeSPA biased, just OGN(and MBC when they were around).
Didn't they shut down Sayle's stream of the last OSL final or something?
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On August 26 2012 19:57 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. You're right, the moves eSF are pulling look awful without looking at context and history. They look even worse if you do consider it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. This horrible kespa politic did not create a singe good game. The players did. For the skill of the players you should credit the players not kespa. Its no longer "kespa or nothing". If this politic goes on, we have 2 diffrent sc2 scene and i think no viewer want this. We want the best players in many tournaments! Perhaps it would help if you stop fuck the logic and listen to it for a second.
In fact people used to complain at how rigid the rules were and how KeSPA RUINED games -__-
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On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this.
They didnt shutdown the restreams during the BW-era, yeah sure they didnt make a stream for themselfs for the foreign watchers, but can you blame em? there just wasnt enough people to make it profitable i'd guess. Also they are new to the SC2 scene so can you atleast give em some time to get everything setup before you say stuff like that.
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On August 26 2012 20:00 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. well they didn't shut down the restreams all these years, sure they didn't do anything for us themselves but they never stopped us from doing what we wanted with their content. Yes I am 100% OGN biased, not KeSPA biased, just OGN(and MBC when they were around). Didn't they shut down Sayle's stream of the last OSL final or something?
because OGN had their own official english stream for the OSL finals and sayle was taking their viewers( to be fair moletrap lost his touch in BW casting).
On August 26 2012 19:59 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. well they didn't shut down the restreams all these years, sure they didn't do anything for us themselves but they never stopped us from doing what we wanted with their content. Yes I am 100% OGN biased, not KeSPA biased, just OGN(and MBC when they were around). I recalled you posting previously saying it's sunday today and you don't have time to argue and what do we have here ;D...
I got bored :p
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On August 26 2012 20:00 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. well they didn't shut down the restreams all these years, sure they didn't do anything for us themselves but they never stopped us from doing what we wanted with their content. Yes I am 100% OGN biased, not KeSPA biased, just OGN(and MBC when they were around). Didn't they shut down Sayle's stream of the last OSL final or something?
Yes cause they actually had a stream themself at that finals.
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On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
KT Rolster:
Acacia: -
Action: -
Barracks: -
Crazy-Hydra: -
Flash: OSL
Hoejja: -
Mind: -
Motive: -
PerfectMan: -
Stats: -
Wooki: -
Penguin: -
MyungSik: -
Hitman: -
Woongjin Stars:
Aria: -
Bisang: -
Flying: OSL
fokins: -
free: -
Light: -
Rudy: -
Shout: -
Sos: -
Sin: -
Soulkey: -
Woon: -
Zero: -
STX Soul:
Bogus: -
Calm: -
Classic: -
Dear: -
hyvaa: -
Last: OSL
Mini: -
Modesty: -
Shuttle: -
Size: -
Trap: WCG
Yourosia: -
I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are.
Terrible example.. Woongjin got eliminated today,, they were practising for their pro league games before that..
KT still had proleague to practice for today even if there was no chance of making play offs., Same goes for STX. Therefore your argument is invalid.
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On August 26 2012 19:58 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. well they didn't shut down the restreams all these years, sure they didn't do anything for us themselves but they never stopped us from doing what we wanted with their content. Yes I am 100% OGN biased, not KeSPA biased, just OGN(and MBC when they were around).
As soon as they have an english boradcast ehy will shut down all restreams. OGN can still play out nicely, they just are now dependant on KEspa making the right decision (let the players join GSL, as pointed out there are plenty of players not in PL or OSL).
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