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On August 26 2012 20:03 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
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I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are. Terrible example.. Woongjin got eliminated today,, they were practising for their pro league games before that.. KT still had proleague to practice for today even if there was no chance of making play offs., Same goes for STX. Therefore your argument is invalid.
Hahah oh no 7 people had to prepare for 1 game each week.
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On August 26 2012 20:01 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. They didnt shutdown the restreams during the BW-era, yeah sure they didnt make a stream for themselfs for the foreign watchers, but can you blame em? there just wasnt enough people to make it profitable i'd guess. Also they are new to the SC2 scene so can you atleast give em some time to get everything setup before you say stuff like that.
It's not what they did or did not do in the BW-era that counts. It's the nature of their sponsors. If KeSPA's sponsors are all like Red Bull or LG, we can be sure they will cater to the international scene well. They need to. Since their operations are mostly Korean based except Samsung, the international scene will be an after thought, unless somehow it proves to be immensely profitable.
P.S. I still can't see a good reason for Samsung to remain in KeSPA.
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On August 26 2012 20:04 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:01 Thinasy wrote:On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. They didnt shutdown the restreams during the BW-era, yeah sure they didnt make a stream for themselfs for the foreign watchers, but can you blame em? there just wasnt enough people to make it profitable i'd guess. Also they are new to the SC2 scene so can you atleast give em some time to get everything setup before you say stuff like that. What was OGN doing for the past two years while Gom was doing an excellent job at this? They need time to setup? What absolute bullshit.
Except OGN was in the BW scene, not the SC2 scene?
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So umm...any new developments? It seems like after that last update where ESF still refused to participate in the OSL, things seem to have "calmed down" a bit. Perhaps there are some behind the scenes discussions taking place? I would've expected KeSPA to make a move soon considering that OSL is only 2 days away.
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On August 26 2012 20:03 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
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I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are. Terrible example.. Woongjin got eliminated today,, they were practising for their pro league games before that.. KT still had proleague to practice for today even if there was no chance of making play offs., Same goes for STX. Therefore your argument is invalid.
Pretty sure the addition of proleague doesn't invalidate his argument. In fact it's still quite a good one.
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On August 26 2012 20:05 Kommander wrote:
So umm...any new developments? It seems like after that last update where ESF still refused to participate in the OSL, things seem to have "calmed down" a bit. Perhaps there are some behind the scenes discussions taking place? I would've expected KeSPA to make a move soon considering that OSL is only 2 days away.
Nope, nothing yet. It is Sunday though so we probably won't hear anything unless it is major.
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On August 26 2012 20:06 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:05 Thinasy wrote:On August 26 2012 20:04 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 20:01 Thinasy wrote:On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. They didnt shutdown the restreams during the BW-era, yeah sure they didnt make a stream for themselfs for the foreign watchers, but can you blame em? there just wasnt enough people to make it profitable i'd guess. Also they are new to the SC2 scene so can you atleast give em some time to get everything setup before you say stuff like that. What was OGN doing for the past two years while Gom was doing an excellent job at this? They need time to setup? What absolute bullshit. Except OGN was in the BW scene, not the SC2 scene? So what? BW is somehow an excuse ?
Yes cause alot of people didnt follow it I'd assume. If you had some real interest in it you'd follow it anyway like alot of other people actually did.
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On August 26 2012 20:04 boxman22 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:03 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
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I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are. Terrible example.. Woongjin got eliminated today,, they were practising for their pro league games before that.. KT still had proleague to practice for today even if there was no chance of making play offs., Same goes for STX. Therefore your argument is invalid. Hahah oh no 7 people had to prepare for 1 game each week.
Professionals you heard of them?
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On August 26 2012 20:03 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
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I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are. Terrible example.. Woongjin got eliminated today,, they were practising for their pro league games before that.. KT still had proleague to practice for today even if there was no chance of making play offs., Same goes for STX. Therefore your argument is invalid.
In the qualifiers they face many opponents in a short time. They will not have to prepare for a specific opponent until the GSL starts. So preparing for PL doesn't matter, they prepare for the qualifiers at the same time.
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On August 26 2012 20:03 BgSBendeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
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I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are. Terrible example.. Woongjin got eliminated today,, they were practising for their pro league games before that.. KT still had proleague to practice for today even if there was no chance of making play offs., Same goes for STX. Therefore your argument is invalid.
GSL qualifiers aren't for another 10 days, during which KeSPA's main complaint was that their players schedules are just too busy. Are they really too busy to play in qualifiers? You tell me.
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On August 26 2012 20:06 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:05 Thinasy wrote:On August 26 2012 20:04 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 20:01 Thinasy wrote:On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. They didnt shutdown the restreams during the BW-era, yeah sure they didnt make a stream for themselfs for the foreign watchers, but can you blame em? there just wasnt enough people to make it profitable i'd guess. Also they are new to the SC2 scene so can you atleast give em some time to get everything setup before you say stuff like that. What was OGN doing for the past two years while Gom was doing an excellent job at this? They need time to setup? What absolute bullshit. Except OGN was in the BW scene, not the SC2 scene? So what? BW is somehow an excuse? We're talking about their willingness to cater to a foreign audience.
the last 2 years they did not have broadcasting rights for SC2, and technicall not even for BW, that why there was the damn lawsuit between Blizzard and OGN/MBC
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Immense respect for ESF, not putting up with shit that Kespa likes to throw around
They (Kespa) have no leverage at all, SC2 is more of a international game and not centered around S. Korea, and it is not all that popular in Korea either meaning that their pull and power is significantly lessened.
Everyone but Kespa knows this, i am thrilled that ESF decided to play hardball, afterall you gotta fight fire with fire and not let a bully roll you over.
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On August 26 2012 20:07 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:04 boxman22 wrote:On August 26 2012 20:03 BgSBendeR wrote:On August 26 2012 19:58 xBillehx wrote:On August 26 2012 18:26 Teddyman wrote:I don't think posters in this thread realize what a busy schedule the KeSPA teams have. To clarify, I have compiled the leagues each player in the 3 sponsored teams that were eliminated from PL today take part in. + Show Spoiler +
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I think this is an excellent post that highlights just how busy the KeSPA players are. Terrible example.. Woongjin got eliminated today,, they were practising for their pro league games before that.. KT still had proleague to practice for today even if there was no chance of making play offs., Same goes for STX. Therefore your argument is invalid. Hahah oh no 7 people had to prepare for 1 game each week. Professionals you heard of them?
Yea professionals are so busy they couldn't add 1 more match just about every 2 weeks.
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blah blah blah =)))
so are we still yet to know if the GSL players are playing the OSL which starts in two days??
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On August 26 2012 20:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 20:06 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 20:05 Thinasy wrote:On August 26 2012 20:04 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 20:01 Thinasy wrote:On August 26 2012 19:55 monkybone wrote:On August 26 2012 19:54 Sethronu wrote:On August 26 2012 19:52 skeldark wrote:On August 26 2012 19:48 Michaels wrote:
ESF are the bad guys here, you are blind and biased if you dont see it. You dont take a part in a tournament and pull out at the last minute to blackmail someone. They did it to NASL and now they are doing it to OGN. If they did it twice they will do it for the third time the question is whos their next target? They are disgusting amateurs I just can believe how anyone nonbiased can be on their side. First: sure we are biased! That is not always something bad. Second: I understand that you think the move is bad. An you are right. Without context and looking at the history, it looks bad. But we wait for 10 years now, that someone stand up against kespa politic: "WE, not our players deicide where they play". To pull out in middle of a tournament is bad, for kespa and this makes it good for me! Too bad this 'horrible' KeSPA politic has created the most spectacular Starcraft games we have ever seen, and the most impressive players came out of it. But yes, if it's bad for KeSPA then it's good for viewers. Fuck logic. Seriously no, OGN hasn't catered to the foreign audience one bit, while Gom has practically been a gift from heaven at this. They didnt shutdown the restreams during the BW-era, yeah sure they didnt make a stream for themselfs for the foreign watchers, but can you blame em? there just wasnt enough people to make it profitable i'd guess. Also they are new to the SC2 scene so can you atleast give em some time to get everything setup before you say stuff like that. What was OGN doing for the past two years while Gom was doing an excellent job at this? They need time to setup? What absolute bullshit. Except OGN was in the BW scene, not the SC2 scene? So what? BW is somehow an excuse? We're talking about their willingness to cater to a foreign audience. the last 2 years they did not have broadcasting rights for SC2, and technicall not even for BW, that why there was the damn lawsuit between Blizzard and OGN/MBC
And seeing all the mess that starts as soon as they made the switch it was probably good that they had no broadcast rights.
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On August 26 2012 20:09 -visnu- wrote:
blah blah blah =)))
so are we still yet to know if the GSL players are playing the OSL which starts in two days??
Kespa has two days to give in., otherwise no they will not play.
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