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eSports Federation STILL refuses to join OSL - Page 7

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regiment
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany51 Posts
August 25 2012 09:35 GMT
#121
On August 25 2012 18:06 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 17:58 X3GoldDot wrote:
nestea and flash are in a battle of the GODS it seems, time for the return of the gods

Poll: WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!

I AM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (338)
 
88%

FLASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (45)
 
12%

383 total votes

Your vote: WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!

(Vote): I AM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
(Vote): FLASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH





Too many heathens who believe in a false god. There is only Flash.


NesTea coached Flash. NesTea created the universe, including its god.
<Alipha> ..can you fax me some paper for my printer?
viasacra89
Profile Joined January 2012
United States134 Posts
August 25 2012 09:35 GMT
#122
This is turning into a Kespa vs ESF player argument... The thread is about Kespa as an entity blocking players from joining GSL. If you want to say Kespa/ESF players are better, do it elsewhere...
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 09:36:28
August 25 2012 09:35 GMT
#123
I'd love to see OSL for the first time, but it is the right thing to stand the ground, otherwise Kespa will keep trying to oust and bully ESF and GOM until they have reestablished their monopoly they had in BW. They need to learn that this is not how it's going to work.
Let's hope this whole drama is soon settled.
Get off my lawn, young punks
raser
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway301 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 09:36:30
August 25 2012 09:36 GMT
#124
On August 25 2012 18:32 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 18:31 boxman22 wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:29 sAsImre wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:27 boxman22 wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:25 densha wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:24 boxman22 wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:19 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:13 RoieTRS wrote:
I don't get it... if esf players played in osl they would completely thrash kespa players. That was the entire point of kespa keeping their own sc2 proleague and not inviting anyone else yet.


Kespa players have like a 60% win ratio vs ESF players, including vs the very top. There is no gap

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
Seriously look at the qualifiers... yesterday I looked through the first day's results. The only kespa player to win a game against a code B gsl player was Flash over Brown, and then he proceeded to lose to another code B player in Sniper.
Here's the whole day 1 results where I noticed a Kespa player facing a GSL player:
Hoejja 1-2 Harrier
Flying 0-2 Brown
Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper
Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori
Bisu 0-2 Moon
Fantasy 0-2 Pet


Umm... those results are olde. You no watch WCS Korea?

Since when have month old results not been significant? None of the players who played in WCS Korea played in the qualifiers, so we don't have any way to judge. Presumably Kespa picked the very BEST they have...

Proleague results were used; when you don't know what you're talking about you should just shut up sometimes...

Well then that proves my point entirely. Those are the very best SC2 players Kespa has. No one else holds a candle to even code B gsl players, as seen by the qualifiers.


Reality > Shine/Symbol/Yugiho. just an example of your ignorance.

oh the bw elitist shines in you.. roro was good.. really really good, reality was okey.. but after the top 3-4 players what have kespa had to offer so far? the skill gap inside the kespa ranks is biiiiiiig
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 09:39:43
August 25 2012 09:36 GMT
#125
good move by ESF.
I dont see a way how kespa can join s4 without loosing their face.
Looks like this will end up in a "war".
A good thing when you ask me. Better fight this out now than to have a cold war for years.


PS:
i agree with viasacra89
This "who have better players" discussion is total offtopic
Save gaming: kill esport
Rexeus
Profile Joined October 2011
78 Posts
August 25 2012 09:37 GMT
#126
KeSPA is the root of all problems. Since the release of sc2, they are the ones that are destroying e-sports!!!!
shArklight
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Singapore160 Posts
August 25 2012 09:37 GMT
#127
On August 25 2012 18:32 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 18:31 boxman22 wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:29 sAsImre wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:27 boxman22 wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:25 densha wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:24 boxman22 wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:19 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:13 RoieTRS wrote:
I don't get it... if esf players played in osl they would completely thrash kespa players. That was the entire point of kespa keeping their own sc2 proleague and not inviting anyone else yet.


Kespa players have like a 60% win ratio vs ESF players, including vs the very top. There is no gap

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
Seriously look at the qualifiers... yesterday I looked through the first day's results. The only kespa player to win a game against a code B gsl player was Flash over Brown, and then he proceeded to lose to another code B player in Sniper.
Here's the whole day 1 results where I noticed a Kespa player facing a GSL player:
Hoejja 1-2 Harrier
Flying 0-2 Brown
Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper
Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori
Bisu 0-2 Moon
Fantasy 0-2 Pet


Umm... those results are olde. You no watch WCS Korea?

Since when have month old results not been significant? None of the players who played in WCS Korea played in the qualifiers, so we don't have any way to judge. Presumably Kespa picked the very BEST they have...

Proleague results were used; when you don't know what you're talking about you should just shut up sometimes...

Well then that proves my point entirely. Those are the very best SC2 players Kespa has. No one else holds a candle to even code B gsl players, as seen by the qualifiers.


Reality > Shine/Symbol/Yugiho. just an example of your ignorance.


TBH I don't think you can judge wins by KeSPA players like that. I think that they had an edge in th sense that the GSL players cannot prepare for what was coming (styles, strategies..etc) because they have very little information to analyse. The KeSPA players on the other hand, had months of information which they can use to prepare a particular strategy for the nuances of one player.

I am not taking away the fact that the KeSPA players are good, how much they caught up over the past few months is just astounding, however I think we still need to wait a few months for things to stabilize before we can really pass judgement to who really is at the top of SC2 in Korea.
Happiness is never grand.
markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
August 25 2012 09:39 GMT
#128
I think people are going to realize that StarCraft II esport is entirely self-sufficient without KeSPA or BW level popularity in Korea. Are all teams healthy? no. Are enough teams healthy? Yes.

Foreigner tournaments and foreign fan participation is at an all time high. 10,000 people went to IPL 4 and over 3 million people watched from all over the world. Then MLG Anaheim did just as well if not better. IPL 5 is coming up now and that has the potential to do even better.

With GSL, IPL, MLG, and all the filler tournaments in between, SCII will not die any time soon, whether KeSPA plays nice or not. The ESF is rightly reacting to that. KeSPA can play bully no more.
Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
August 25 2012 09:39 GMT
#129
Messyyyy :/
Jaedong <3
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
August 25 2012 09:40 GMT
#130
On August 25 2012 17:44 Clarityxo wrote:
The plot thickens.

I wonder what Kespa will do in return.


give the fuck in, if KeSPA screws over OGN because of this I will personally make it my life's goal to end them.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 25 2012 09:40 GMT
#131
Proud of our SC2 korean originals

Standing up for what is right.

I didn't watch BW because of Kespa. I don't want the same happening for SC2.

Fuck Kespa.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
August 25 2012 09:40 GMT
#132
i love you ESF
ffxiv enjoyer
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 09:41:38
August 25 2012 09:41 GMT
#133
Ruh roh. I think this is where the game of chicken ends though. I don't see Kespa budging, just for their unbelievable stubbornness and superiority complex. So most likely, we'll have other Kespa players fill up the empty spots in the OSL (which might be good news for me if (Z)Jaedong comes in! ), and might also cause a little delay. Hopefully, this will not escalate further and turn into Kespa & ESF flat out refusing having anything to do with one another.

The one hope of salvation would be Blizzard & Auction (sponsors of this OSL) stepping up the pressure and forcing Kespa to agree to sticking to their original commitment. However, I just don't see it happening given how huge their egos are.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
August 25 2012 09:41 GMT
#134
On August 25 2012 18:29 achan1058 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 17:58 X3GoldDot wrote:
nestea and flash are in a battle of the GODS it seems, time for the return of the gods

Poll: WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!

I AM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (338)
 
88%

FLASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (45)
 
12%

383 total votes

Your vote: WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!

(Vote): I AM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
(Vote): FLASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH




My god is Gustav Mahler, but Nestea would do.

Anyways, this is the correct move.


Wow, I love you for this post. Mahler Symphony #5 is so secks
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
August 25 2012 09:41 GMT
#135
As much as I would like to see GOM/ESF come out on top with this situation. I can easily see OGN filling the 7-8 OSL spots with Kespa players. And blaming the ESF players for lack of professionalism and whatnot, screwing with them in future OSL tournaments.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
densha
Profile Joined December 2010
United States797 Posts
August 25 2012 09:42 GMT
#136
On August 25 2012 18:39 markrevival wrote:
I think people are going to realize that StarCraft II esport is entirely self-sufficient without KeSPA or BW level popularity in Korea. Are all teams healthy? no. Are enough teams healthy? Yes.

Foreigner tournaments and foreign fan participation is at an all time high. 10,000 people went to IPL 4 and over 3 million people watched from all over the world. Then MLG Anaheim did just as well if not better. IPL 5 is coming up now and that has the potential to do even better.

With GSL, IPL, MLG, and all the filler tournaments in between, SCII will not die any time soon, whether KeSPA plays nice or not. The ESF is rightly reacting to that. KeSPA can play bully no more.


Exactly right. Worst case scenario is a split scene in Korea, but the Federation players participate in tournies worldwide and have entertained a large global audience and earned that following. Kespa, on the other hand, will still hold a firm grip on their players and they'll be restricted to the same old OSL/PL and some online MLG matches (unless Kespa comes up with an excuse not to do those too).

SC2 does not need Kespa, the Federation and the world knows that, the question is if Kespa themselves will figure it out before it's too late.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 25 2012 09:42 GMT
#137
On August 25 2012 18:11 kaokentake wrote:
i have a better strategy for the ESF


take your strongest player, have him and only him compete in this OSL and win the finals

talk about a lol-tastic way to "win" this drama


question is who should it be

i say no to mvp, too risky due to injury

taeja or seed are possibles. is taeja even in the esf



taeja would be my pick for a lock-in garuntee-win in this osl. i believe he isnt on esf either. so funny enough, having taeja compete in the osl would be a hilarious way to have a non-kespa non-esf player win

marineking's the best choice, if ESF withdraws, then there are only terrans and protosses left. MKP has a >80% TvT and >75% TvP, he got the OSL
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
August 25 2012 09:43 GMT
#138
On August 25 2012 18:40 Disengaged wrote:
Proud of our SC2 korean originals

Standing up for what is right.

I didn't watch BW because of Kespa. I don't want the same happening for SC2.

Fuck Kespa.


what a weird reason to not watch BW.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 25 2012 09:43 GMT
#139
On August 25 2012 18:41 Shinobi1982 wrote:
As much as I would like to see GOM/ESF come out on top with this situation. I can easily see OGN filling the 7-8 OSL spots with Kespa players. And blaming the ESF players for lack of professionalism and whatnot, screwing with them in future OSL tournaments.


They probably just won't play in future OSL's if that happens.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 25 2012 09:43 GMT
#140
On August 25 2012 18:43 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 18:40 Disengaged wrote:
Proud of our SC2 korean originals

Standing up for what is right.

I didn't watch BW because of Kespa. I don't want the same happening for SC2.

Fuck Kespa.


what a weird reason to not watch BW.


Weird?

Not at all.

People don't watch things because of far weirder and stupider reasons.
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