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On August 25 2012 17:53 Noam wrote:
As expected.
Nobody can fool NesTea with empty promises for future tournaments.
Amen.
Also it's really nice to see KESPA getting a taste of their own medicine. They pretty much strong armed gomtv out of the BW scene back in the day. Now gom's got ESF on its side and they hold all the cards in the SC2.
If KESPA did manage to strong arm their way in, it would set the korean scene back by at least a year.
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On August 25 2012 18:25 densha wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:24 boxman22 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:19 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On August 25 2012 18:13 RoieTRS wrote:
I don't get it... if esf players played in osl they would completely thrash kespa players. That was the entire point of kespa keeping their own sc2 proleague and not inviting anyone else yet. Kespa players have like a 60% win ratio vs ESF players, including vs the very top. There is no gap BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA Seriously look at the qualifiers... yesterday I looked through the first day's results. The only kespa player to win a game against a code B gsl player was Flash over Brown, and then he proceeded to lose to another code B player in Sniper. Here's the whole day 1 results where I noticed a Kespa player facing a GSL player: Hoejja 1-2 Harrier Flying 0-2 Brown Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori Bisu 0-2 Moon Fantasy 0-2 Pet Umm... those results are olde. You no watch WCS Korea?
Since when have month old results not been significant? None of the players who played in WCS Korea played in the qualifiers, so we don't have any way to judge. Presumably Kespa picked the very BEST they have...
Edit: The one Kespa player who did and managed to qualify played at just about the level he played in the qualifiers. Why would we expect everyone else to have massively improved?
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On August 25 2012 18:27 boxman22 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:25 densha wrote:On August 25 2012 18:24 boxman22 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:19 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On August 25 2012 18:13 RoieTRS wrote:
I don't get it... if esf players played in osl they would completely thrash kespa players. That was the entire point of kespa keeping their own sc2 proleague and not inviting anyone else yet. Kespa players have like a 60% win ratio vs ESF players, including vs the very top. There is no gap BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA Seriously look at the qualifiers... yesterday I looked through the first day's results. The only kespa player to win a game against a code B gsl player was Flash over Brown, and then he proceeded to lose to another code B player in Sniper. Here's the whole day 1 results where I noticed a Kespa player facing a GSL player: Hoejja 1-2 Harrier Flying 0-2 Brown Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori Bisu 0-2 Moon Fantasy 0-2 Pet Umm... those results are olde. You no watch WCS Korea? Since when have month old results not been significant? None of the players who played in WCS Korea played in the qualifiers, so we don't have any way to judge. Presumably Kespa picked the very BEST they have...
It's not significant because we've seen Kespa players grow in a single *week*, let alone a single month.
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On August 25 2012 18:27 boxman22 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:25 densha wrote:On August 25 2012 18:24 boxman22 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:19 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On August 25 2012 18:13 RoieTRS wrote:
I don't get it... if esf players played in osl they would completely thrash kespa players. That was the entire point of kespa keeping their own sc2 proleague and not inviting anyone else yet. Kespa players have like a 60% win ratio vs ESF players, including vs the very top. There is no gap BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA Seriously look at the qualifiers... yesterday I looked through the first day's results. The only kespa player to win a game against a code B gsl player was Flash over Brown, and then he proceeded to lose to another code B player in Sniper. Here's the whole day 1 results where I noticed a Kespa player facing a GSL player: Hoejja 1-2 Harrier Flying 0-2 Brown Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori Bisu 0-2 Moon Fantasy 0-2 Pet Umm... those results are olde. You no watch WCS Korea? Since when have month old results not been significant? None of the players who played in WCS Korea played in the qualifiers, so we don't have any way to judge. Presumably Kespa picked the very BEST they have...
Proleague results were used; when you don't know what you're talking about you should just shut up sometimes...
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On August 25 2012 17:58 X3GoldDot wrote:nestea and flash are in a battle of the GODS it seems, time for the return of the gods Poll: WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!I AM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (338) 88% FLASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (45) 12% 383 total votes Your vote: WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?! (Vote): I AM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
(Vote): FLASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
My god is Gustav Mahler, but Nestea would do.
Anyways, this is the correct move.
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This is exactly what they should be doing. Good job eSF.
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On August 25 2012 18:29 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:27 boxman22 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:25 densha wrote:On August 25 2012 18:24 boxman22 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:19 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On August 25 2012 18:13 RoieTRS wrote:
I don't get it... if esf players played in osl they would completely thrash kespa players. That was the entire point of kespa keeping their own sc2 proleague and not inviting anyone else yet. Kespa players have like a 60% win ratio vs ESF players, including vs the very top. There is no gap BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA Seriously look at the qualifiers... yesterday I looked through the first day's results. The only kespa player to win a game against a code B gsl player was Flash over Brown, and then he proceeded to lose to another code B player in Sniper. Here's the whole day 1 results where I noticed a Kespa player facing a GSL player: Hoejja 1-2 Harrier Flying 0-2 Brown Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori Bisu 0-2 Moon Fantasy 0-2 Pet Umm... those results are olde. You no watch WCS Korea? Since when have month old results not been significant? None of the players who played in WCS Korea played in the qualifiers, so we don't have any way to judge. Presumably Kespa picked the very BEST they have... Proleague results were used; when you don't know what you're talking about you should just shut up sometimes...
Well then that proves my point entirely. Those are the very best SC2 players Kespa has. No one else holds a candle to even code B gsl players, as seen by the qualifiers.
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ESF turned out to be insanely good for korean e-sports O_o
That said, they've all seen how nasty KeSPA gets, and don't want a repeat performance in SC2... great things are happening!
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I admire their firm stance!
The current situation has led KeSPA to get caught red handed. The OSL will be a travesty without the ESF players, and they know it. They wont make the same mistake again. They will have an out next time. I like how ESF is pushing their strong negotiating postition.
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While they fight out their quibbles of self-destructive ego, and pride... the real losers are the players and the fans. I hope something can come to dispel all this once and for all but it's probably not gonna happen. Whatever happens, I hope it's minimal damage for the players at least and the ogn network.
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On August 25 2012 17:58 X3GoldDot wrote:nestea and flash are in a battle of the GODS it seems, time for the return of the gods Poll: WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!I AM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (338) 88% FLASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (45) 12% 383 total votes Your vote: WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?! (Vote): I AM NESTEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
(Vote): FLASHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
This poll isn't fair. Nestea is right in this situation, but I could never defy flash.
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On August 25 2012 18:31 boxman22 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:29 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2012 18:27 boxman22 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:25 densha wrote:On August 25 2012 18:24 boxman22 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:19 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On August 25 2012 18:13 RoieTRS wrote:
I don't get it... if esf players played in osl they would completely thrash kespa players. That was the entire point of kespa keeping their own sc2 proleague and not inviting anyone else yet. Kespa players have like a 60% win ratio vs ESF players, including vs the very top. There is no gap BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA Seriously look at the qualifiers... yesterday I looked through the first day's results. The only kespa player to win a game against a code B gsl player was Flash over Brown, and then he proceeded to lose to another code B player in Sniper. Here's the whole day 1 results where I noticed a Kespa player facing a GSL player: Hoejja 1-2 Harrier Flying 0-2 Brown Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori Bisu 0-2 Moon Fantasy 0-2 Pet Umm... those results are olde. You no watch WCS Korea? Since when have month old results not been significant? None of the players who played in WCS Korea played in the qualifiers, so we don't have any way to judge. Presumably Kespa picked the very BEST they have... Proleague results were used; when you don't know what you're talking about you should just shut up sometimes... Well then that proves my point entirely. Those are the very best SC2 players Kespa has. No one else holds a candle to even code B gsl players, as seen by the qualifiers.
Reality > Shine/Symbol/Yugiho. just an example of your ignorance.
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absolutely love the ESF. A players union with no overwhelming control. But as we can see, they can get shit done.
Better system than kespa has IMO, although kespa has huge sponsors etc.
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On August 25 2012 18:27 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:26 viasacra89 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:24 ShiroKaisen wrote:On August 25 2012 18:18 tranmillitary wrote:
I stand by GSL. Where has Kespa been while Gom putting their resources to build up SC 2 in korea???
GSL >>>>>> for life Boxed out by an exclusivity contract. Don't talk before you do the research. Boxed out by their own doing. KESPA was approached first, not GOM. Kespa was being sued by blizzard...
Yes they were, because they would blatantly ignore Blizzard on rules. Thats why the rules are stricter in SC2 and why there is no offline mode, so entities like, but not necessarily, Kespa, can't pull the bullshit like they have for the last 10 years.
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On August 25 2012 18:32 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:31 boxman22 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:29 sAsImre wrote:On August 25 2012 18:27 boxman22 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:25 densha wrote:On August 25 2012 18:24 boxman22 wrote:On August 25 2012 18:19 ProxyKnoxy wrote:On August 25 2012 18:13 RoieTRS wrote:
I don't get it... if esf players played in osl they would completely thrash kespa players. That was the entire point of kespa keeping their own sc2 proleague and not inviting anyone else yet. Kespa players have like a 60% win ratio vs ESF players, including vs the very top. There is no gap BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA Seriously look at the qualifiers... yesterday I looked through the first day's results. The only kespa player to win a game against a code B gsl player was Flash over Brown, and then he proceeded to lose to another code B player in Sniper. Here's the whole day 1 results where I noticed a Kespa player facing a GSL player: Hoejja 1-2 Harrier Flying 0-2 Brown Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori Bisu 0-2 Moon Fantasy 0-2 Pet Umm... those results are olde. You no watch WCS Korea? Since when have month old results not been significant? None of the players who played in WCS Korea played in the qualifiers, so we don't have any way to judge. Presumably Kespa picked the very BEST they have... Proleague results were used; when you don't know what you're talking about you should just shut up sometimes... Well then that proves my point entirely. Those are the very best SC2 players Kespa has. No one else holds a candle to even code B gsl players, as seen by the qualifiers. Reality > Shine/Symbol/Yugiho. just an example of your ignorance.
Read the edit. First of all I said day 1 for my results and then I used Reality as an example that you can't even say anyone's improved particularly much. The one example we have did not improve.
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On August 25 2012 18:31 nitdkim wrote:
While they fight out their quibbles of self-destructive ego, and pride... the real losers are the players and the fans. I hope something can come to dispel all this once and for all but it's probably not gonna happen. Whatever happens, I hope it's minimal damage for the players at least and the ogn network.
I really hope that ESF will become the player's union for both GOM and KeSPA players in the end. That's the theoretical best outcome, seeing how badly KeSPA players need a union.
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NESTEA IS A GOD AMONG MEN GODS
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On August 25 2012 18:34 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:31 nitdkim wrote:
While they fight out their quibbles of self-destructive ego, and pride... the real losers are the players and the fans. I hope something can come to dispel all this once and for all but it's probably not gonna happen. Whatever happens, I hope it's minimal damage for the players at least and the ogn network. I really hope that ESF will become the player's union for both GOM and KeSPA players in the end. That's the theoretical best outcome, seeing how badly KeSPA players need a union.
I couldn't agree more. The players under Kespa contracts really need a bigger say in what happens to them.
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On August 25 2012 18:11 kaokentake wrote:
i have a better strategy for the ESF
take your strongest player, have him and only him compete in this OSL and win the finals
talk about a lol-tastic way to "win" this drama
question is who should it be
i say no to mvp, too risky due to injury
taeja or seed are possibles. is taeja even in the esf
taeja would be my pick for a lock-in garuntee-win in this osl. i believe he isnt on esf either. so funny enough, having taeja compete in the osl would be a hilarious way to have a non-kespa non-esf player win
only mvp is qualified amongst those 3 players rofl
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