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eSports Federation STILL refuses to join OSL - Page 11

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Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
August 25 2012 10:28 GMT
#201
Expected this. And i think it is the right move.
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
August 25 2012 10:31 GMT
#202
On August 25 2012 18:31 boxman22 wrote:
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On August 25 2012 18:29 sAsImre wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:27 boxman22 wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:25 densha wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:24 boxman22 wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:19 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:13 RoieTRS wrote:
I don't get it... if esf players played in osl they would completely thrash kespa players. That was the entire point of kespa keeping their own sc2 proleague and not inviting anyone else yet.


Kespa players have like a 60% win ratio vs ESF players, including vs the very top. There is no gap

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHA
Seriously look at the qualifiers... yesterday I looked through the first day's results. The only kespa player to win a game against a code B gsl player was Flash over Brown, and then he proceeded to lose to another code B player in Sniper.
Here's the whole day 1 results where I noticed a Kespa player facing a GSL player:
Hoejja 1-2 Harrier
Flying 0-2 Brown
Flash 2-0 Brown, Flash 1-2 Sniper
Crazy-hydra 1-2 inori
Bisu 0-2 Moon
Fantasy 0-2 Pet


Umm... those results are olde. You no watch WCS Korea?

Since when have month old results not been significant? None of the players who played in WCS Korea played in the qualifiers, so we don't have any way to judge. Presumably Kespa picked the very BEST they have...

Proleague results were used; when you don't know what you're talking about you should just shut up sometimes...

Well then that proves my point entirely. Those are the very best SC2 players Kespa has. No one else holds a candle to even code B gsl players, as seen by the qualifiers.


And how bout Kespa players falling to Puzzle, Squirtle, Parting, HerO? Code B is a vast difference than Code B and there is a reason why they're code B. Because Code A qualifiers have been descibed as being just as hard as Code A because of all the competition. Then if you manage to make it through that gauntlet guess what you hit former Code S players in Code A brackets and other players that dominate Code A.

I'd honestly like to see how Kespa players do in the challenge that are Code A qualifiers. Because what your pretty much saying is that they can destroy in those and alot of people would say otherwise. Use some common sense next time before you make such a stupid statement.
JiPrime
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada688 Posts
August 25 2012 10:31 GMT
#203
On August 25 2012 19:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On August 25 2012 19:06 GuitarBizarre wrote:
On August 25 2012 19:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:54 Master_Blaster wrote:
I think it's the best move.

OSL needs to prove that hey will play nice. They are the ones that need GSL right now. Not viceversa. Why would GSL players attend and help OSL grow, the federation that will be their doom. It's not smart. You need your enemy to make the first step into diplomacy here.


OGN=/= KeSPA


From everything I've been told, they pretty much are, their interests are so tied together.


yes yes indeed it has to be, OGN is wants to let KeSPA destroy the starleague screw over the sponsors and the players so that they can solely focus on LoL!

its genius!

:/


Tbh, I wouldn't really mind if OGN goes full LoL and abandon SC2.
Their ratings have been diminishing for a looooooooooong while now if you check the TV ratings.
Their ratings are lower than a fucking televangelist's channel.
And sooner or later no one is gonna watch cable TV, let alone just TV.
And most areas in Korea don't have OGN by default, and even the ones that does, most people with the remote (hint hint the parents) just block the channel to make their kids focus on their studies.
MBC Game was pretty much available most of the time if you just connect the TV to the cable port.
And what happened to MBC Game now?
It turned into a shitty KPOP channel.
If that ain't the sign that a dedicated video game TV station isn't as influential in Korea as we assumed, then I don't know what is.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 10:35:32
August 25 2012 10:34 GMT
#204
On August 25 2012 19:27 skeldark wrote:
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On August 25 2012 19:20 MCXD wrote:
On August 25 2012 19:07 skeldark wrote:
On August 25 2012 18:57 GTR wrote:
Quite depressing that ESF have to fight for the KeSPA players rights instead of them fighting for themselves.

Thats the point in never understood in all the bw years.
They never even tried...


A few of them spoke out occasionally (so I heard?), and there is plenty of indication that they're quite widely unhappy about certain things.

It IS strange they haven't tried to fight. But it would have to be a heavy one, because half a team or something complaining would just be asking for KeSPA (or the team management, out of fear) to kick them or something.

Yes, that was a problem because their was nothing else.
Play bw for kespa or dont play at all...

But it was way harder in the heavy industry of the early 1900 and still there was unions ^^
They could talk behind closed doors until they have enough known names together, to go public.
Anyway thats past.


You have to keep in mind that at the moment, no kespa player have an interested to switch.
The gom-teams are just not able to pay them equal salaries.

I think it has more to do with the trade block. ST was rich enough to buy Zenex, so they can probably afford some B-teamers, and I won't be surprised if LG-IM can as well. They won't pay Flash, but not even KeSPA can play FvJ 6 days a week.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 25 2012 10:35 GMT
#205
Glad to hear, not letting Kespa Bully them around, and trying to shove off ESF with "promises"
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51463 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-25 14:53:07
August 25 2012 10:42 GMT
#206
Locking the thread by request of the OP, as he/she wanted to shift discussion to the centralised thread here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363249
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
August 25 2012 14:00 GMT
#207
This is how we build trust.
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