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Lol! Now the pressure is on 6NR to do the updates  Maybe they can come up with a way that people can "co-own" threads or something
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i'm curious if any of the BW teams are tempted to drop Kespa and go to ESF
obviously there'd be a lot of complications but I can see it as tempting
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On August 25 2012 19:07 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:57 GTR wrote:
Quite depressing that ESF have to fight for the KeSPA players rights instead of them fighting for themselves. Thats the point in never understood in all the bw years. They never even tried...
Hopefully they would wake up after some outside stimulus now. Everyone including the KeSPA players (not the organization though) will be better off if ESF wins.
On August 25 2012 19:08 Denzil wrote:
i'm curious if any of the BW teams are tempted to drop Kespa and go to ESF
obviously there'd be a lot of complications but I can see it as tempting
Not if that means losing their sponsors. Though, if the sponsors were fed up with not being able to participate in MLG say, then it might be possible. The only company I can realistically see for this to happen is Samsung. Unless, of course, that Korean fans were sufficient fed up with KeSPA as well.
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On August 25 2012 19:07 Weirdkid wrote:Lol! Now the pressure is on 6NR to do the updates Maybe they can come up with a way that people can "co-own" threads or something
Well he did say in the OP that updates will be added as the story develops xD.
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Good, they're keeping their interests at heart like they should be.
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On August 25 2012 19:08 Denzil wrote:
i'm curious if any of the BW teams are tempted to drop Kespa and go to ESF
obviously there'd be a lot of complications but I can see it as tempting
Wouldn't they lose all their sponsors?
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i am not a bw fan i came from wc3 and left sc2 for LoL but i still think ESF is in the right and should let kespa try and bully ppl as it did in sc1
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On August 25 2012 19:09 Nostalgia.NA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 19:07 Weirdkid wrote:Lol! Now the pressure is on 6NR to do the updates Maybe they can come up with a way that people can "co-own" threads or something Well he did say in the OP that updates will be added as the story develops xD.
Pm GTR ,
that they lock the others threads and put the new one in community news.
Would make the hole thing more organized.
On the other hand, this way its easier to see the news in title...
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On August 25 2012 19:09 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 19:07 skeldark wrote:On August 25 2012 18:57 GTR wrote:
Quite depressing that ESF have to fight for the KeSPA players rights instead of them fighting for themselves. Thats the point in never understood in all the bw years. They never even tried... Hopefully they would wake up after some outside stimulus now. Everyone including the KeSPA players (not the organization though) will be better off if ESF wins.
You just have to relate it to any occupation.. anyone with a job can understand that it is hard to go up against the "boss" or company, it is your livelihood at state... the only way to do it is through a union, no single player will stand up on their own, they risk too much.
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On August 25 2012 19:06 GuitarBizarre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 19:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 25 2012 18:54 Master_Blaster wrote:
I think it's the best move.
OSL needs to prove that hey will play nice. They are the ones that need GSL right now. Not viceversa. Why would GSL players attend and help OSL grow, the federation that will be their doom. It's not smart. You need your enemy to make the first step into diplomacy here. OGN=/= KeSPA From everything I've been told, they pretty much are, their interests are so tied together.
yes yes indeed it has to be, OGN is wants to let KeSPA destroy the starleague screw over the sponsors and the players so that they can solely focus on LoL!
its genius!
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Makes sense since their wording was that they would not attend OSL until Kespa let their players join GSL, and since they won't allow them until season 5 then none ESF won't join OSL until season 5 starts.
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On August 25 2012 19:11 Zhalad wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 19:09 achan1058 wrote:On August 25 2012 19:07 skeldark wrote:On August 25 2012 18:57 GTR wrote:
Quite depressing that ESF have to fight for the KeSPA players rights instead of them fighting for themselves. Thats the point in never understood in all the bw years. They never even tried... Hopefully they would wake up after some outside stimulus now. Everyone including the KeSPA players (not the organization though) will be better off if ESF wins. You just have to relate it to any occupation.. anyone with a job can understand that it is hard to go up against the "boss" or company, it is your livelihood at state... the only way to do it is through a union, no single player will stand up on their own, they risk too much.
But now there's a union you can join, unlike in the past.
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Just let everyone play in whatever they want.... -_-;
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Nice Move ESF! Don't let Bully you around.
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On August 25 2012 18:10 Adreme wrote:
You know there is a 3rd reason beyond the two more likely ones as to why KESPA pulled out of GSL4. They might be doing it to screw with GOM or they might be doing it because they dont think they can win and they dont want there players destroyed or they could be doing it to use the only advantage they have in the OSL.
Right now GSL players are flying all over the world competing in different tournaments that use different maps and against different players while the KESPA players are preparing for the OSL. They might be thinking that if they have there players solely focused on beating there opponent than maybe can pull a few upsets and look good in this OSL as opposed to only getting 1 or 2 players thru.
But if you've read any interview the Kespa players actually want to participate in Code A qualifiers for GSL. But with Kespa being the big controlling parent they cant do anything. Kespa is making a dick move and suffocating their players and not letting them make their own decisions. Hell GSL players go play foreign tournaments come back and play in GSL 1-3 days later. Cut the leash already Kespa your excuses are pretty unprofessional and embarrassing.
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On August 25 2012 19:07 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:57 GTR wrote:
Quite depressing that ESF have to fight for the KeSPA players rights instead of them fighting for themselves. Thats the point in never understood in all the bw years. They never even tried...
A few of them spoke out occasionally (so I heard?), and there is plenty of indication that they're quite widely unhappy about certain things.
It IS strange they haven't tried to fight. But it would have to be a heavy one, because half a team or something complaining would just be asking for KeSPA (or the team management, out of fear) to kick them or something.
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On August 25 2012 18:19 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 18:13 RoieTRS wrote:
I don't get it... if esf players played in osl they would completely thrash kespa players. That was the entire point of kespa keeping their own sc2 proleague and not inviting anyone else yet. Kespa players have like a 60% win ratio vs ESF players, including vs the very top. There is no gap
Then why did HerO thrash reality and soulkey? there is a gap, but your obviously too blind to see it. GSL players were feeling alot more pressure than Kespa players did. And yet the top GSL protoss players made it a hell of alot farther in WCS than Kespa players.
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I feel so sorry for those choosing to stand by KeSPA on this one. KeSPA is obviously wrong and has previous history of misconduct. It's like you guys are only in for it for the sake of the argument or your own entertainment. Get your heads off your asses and start thinking.
I do not trust KeSPA one bit. Been around SC BW since 2002 and I've also known about TL.net since then. The only reason I registered later was because I felt like I had nothing to contribute back then and was happy just reading posts as a guest. Been following the Korean sceen for quite a long time now, with few months pauses in between. All I gotta say is that KeSPA needs to be disassembled for its previous crimes vs. eSports. Just to touch on that - remember the whole "rigged matches" scandal that involved Savior ? Well, post-factum it turned out that members of KeSPA had knew about it, before the investigation even began and did nothing to stop it, prevent it or alarm about it. That alone should turn off every KeSPA supporter off.
Yes, what ESF did and are doing is a dick move. But it's the only proper action in this case. What I've seen from KeSPA is only attempt to buy time until GSL S5. And I don't take their word for it that they'll participate in it. They have a history you know. Like pulling out NaDa in a middle of a freaking show match vs TSL at IEM. In the case of NaDa, they've also took down his history records from their site and claimed it was a technical failure. Obviously it wasn't, since there were no other players harmed. And they payed journalists to trash-talk about him, how he turned from a respectable progamer into prize-money hunter with his switch over to SC2. And then you have the fact that they act like they're God-like and refuse to allow foreign players in it. The cases of Ret and Nony are the recent ones on top of my head. One winning the fucking Courage, which is still considered far harder then winning an MLG or even a GSL, and yet being trown back as a lousy B-Teamer with little to no air time and no accomodations whatsoever. You think in the end we'll be seeing the likes Idra, Stephano, Kas and Huk over at the OSL with KeSPA running it ? No fucking way ! Or maybe EG at the ProLeague ? Hah ! Things there are so fucking complicated, it hurts my head just thinking about it. All that shit with the progamer license, all that other non-sense about that you HAVE to be on a team in order to play. And you do have to be on a KeSPA team, as far as I recall. So basically it's "join or die". All that talk that they'll accomodate players from the MLG into their tournaments is a silly talk that no one should believe in. That agreement they have had signed with the MLG was before the OSL and yet they failed to reschedule so that they can appear this weekend. And it's only a 3 day tournament, which I'm sure has a lot of fans and following in Korea as well. So yeah, fans would've understood if say the OSL disappeared for a week, to accomodate for the MLG. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard could've rescheduled the WCS dates as well, given that they have a quite good and sturdy partnership with MLG already. It could've-should've been a win-win situation, but ... that's KeSPA for you guys. The fact that they'll play in "online MLG matches" doesn't warm my heart and it shouldn't warm yours either. There's no way of telling if they actually play or they just put up some few B-Teamer to play as Flash or Bisu or Jaedong or Jangbi or Roro or Fantasy or whoeverthefuckyoucanthinkoff.
In the end - ESF must remain strong and firm in their position. Period.
In the meantime, someone should try get some statements from KeSPA owned players, so that they open your eyes even further more.
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On August 25 2012 19:20 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2012 19:07 skeldark wrote:On August 25 2012 18:57 GTR wrote:
Quite depressing that ESF have to fight for the KeSPA players rights instead of them fighting for themselves. Thats the point in never understood in all the bw years. They never even tried... A few of them spoke out occasionally (so I heard?), and there is plenty of indication that they're quite widely unhappy about certain things. It IS strange they haven't tried to fight. But it would have to be a heavy one, because half a team or something complaining would just be asking for KeSPA (or the team management, out of fear) to kick them or something.
Yes, that was a problem because their was nothing else.
Play bw for kespa or dont play at all...
But it was way harder in the heavy industry of the early 1900 and still there was unions ^^
They could talk behind closed doors until they have enough known names together, to go public.
Anyway thats past.
You have to keep in mind that at the moment, no kespa player have an interested to switch.
The gom-teams are just not able to pay them equal salaries.
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